Oh noes, the ridiculously overpowered FOTM got nerfed just when I was done training for it, screw this game!

I haven't been paying attention to the boards lately, but why did CCP change the omnis mechanics?

I guess the Mach is next in line huh?

Same reason they nerfed HMs. Because they're overused in nullsec.


Probably not for a while yet.

Same reason they nerfed HMs. Because they're overused in nullsec.

Bwahahahahaha!!! Oh, god, that's great!! Thanks for the good laugh in the morning!!

omni nerf? more like buff

huh? good job on reading and comprehension. keep it up buddy.!

Oh relax. Gardes were nerfed, because, let's be honest here, high tracking plus long range from omnis (for a short range weapon) plus high damage (plus thermal being an almost universal damage type against NPCs) was a tad much.

The other sentries are still long ranged enough with omni's that you can still project damage effectively. But you'll need to remember to switch to Gardes for their tracking at short range.


Having said that, it was a pretty ham-fisted way to bring things into line, especially since most of the long range Garde problem is due to the Ishtar/Domi. But it's not the end of the world for the Rattlesnake.

This. Wow, Odithia should just be embarassed...

Logical and factual post strikes OP for over 9000, sinking the OP's battleship whine post.

or overheat the dam thing and get used to carrying paste.
and its not a nerf.

You people are amazing.

All they did was make the omnis like other scriptable weapons boosting items, such a tracking computers, because omnis (the drone version of a tracking computer) gave twice the bonuses of a TC. It has been balanced as it should.

Now we just need a missile damage application item for midslots, since none exists yet.

Now we just need a missile damage application item for midslots, since none exists yet.

Once again I am forced to adapt. I need to find a new home...for my rattlesnake. That's the only way to beat this omni nerf. Change rats and change sentry and drone priorities.

Rattlesnake is still one of the best battleships out there, yes it got nerf, but that's because it's main weapons system was a little bit OP.

Adapt or die! Evolution of the fittest works well in EVE.

If you don't want to adapt go play wow or some shite like that!

Read and comprehend. It's really not that hard.

Seems like every good thing CCP makes have to be grounded down to crap nowadays. First it was heavy missiles, then RLML, then there was the TE nerf, now the omnis.

HML tengu - shafted
RLML cerberus - shafted
Rattlesnake - shafted

Now this really hurt me coz i really love this ship even after everybody told me to stay away from drones since i started playing around 2009, i told myself, CCP would come around on fixing drones and make them a dependable weapon platform. The RS was my very first faction BS and Im still using the very same RS that I bought way back in 2009. When the DDA and T2 omni modules came out, seems like my prayers were answered. Then came the AI drone agro, i adapted to that change...no biggie. Now they've nerfed the omnis...seems like the drone boats were thrown back to 2009 - 2010 era...

I haven't been paying attention to the boards lately, but why did CCP change the omnis mechanics?

I guess i have to store my rattlesnake, along with my tengu (dusting for months now) back to my ship bay. Two ships that i really like turn to crap.

I guess the Mach is next in line huh?

Good job CCP on rebalancing the game...high five...fist bump...two thumbs up to you guys! Keep up the good work. Way to go buddy! You guys are the best!

Nerf everything to the ground. Until everything is balance. EVE would be a great game then. clap! clap! clap!

Read and comprehension done.

Still posting in a 'wah why do I have to adapt CCP' thread.

You already admitted you are adapting so this thread is just a whine.

100mn tengu's were really dumb

rlml cerbs were really really dumb

The rattle snake was and is absolutely fine.. The omni mechanics have been change but the rattler hasn't been made worse through it at all. (Not noticably anyhow)

Stop being bad (Trademarked.)

I can't help it if I'm bad.

How is 18% for one attribute and 36% for another while requiring paste and 2 slots better than 25% for both from a single slot that required neither cap nor paste?

Read and comprehension done.

Still posting in a 'wah why do I have to adapt CCP' thread.

You already admitted you are adapting so this thread is just a whine.

You people are amazing.

All they did was make the omnis like other scriptable weapons boosting items, such a tracking computers, because omnis (the drone version of a tracking computer) gave twice the bonuses of a TC. It has been balanced as it should.

Now we just need a missile damage application item for midslots, since none exists yet.

Why would you get a rattler for pve anyhow?

Its completely overtanked for 99% of the pve out there... Pve is generally easy as balls, you don't really need a tank, you need dps to run it as fast as you can.

Not all PvE is L4 missions in HighSec. You can run those with a dilapidated coat hanger.

My rattlesnake used to get 59+12 km on gardes
Now it gets 45km + 21

IMO the one who really suffers is gila. It has less room for omnis than the rattlesnake does.

Also the Stratios and Nestor. Ouch.

Fortunately there are other sentries than Gardes.

Yes, something I have pointed out least a dozen times in the various threads. Still sucks for the Stratios though, that thing needs as much dps as it can get. And the Gila, which often can't realistically fit more than 1 omni.

Seems like every good thing CCP makes have to be grounded down to crap nowadays. First it was heavy missiles, then RLML, then there was the TE nerf, now the omnis.

HML tengu - shafted
RLML cerberus - shafted
Rattlesnake - shafted

Now this really hurt me coz i really love this ship even after everybody told me to stay away from drones since i started playing around 2009, i told myself, CCP would come around on fixing drones and make them a dependable weapon platform. The RS was my very first faction BS and Im still using the very same RS that I bought way back in 2009. When the DDA and T2 omni modules came out, seems like my prayers were answered. Then came the AI drone agro, i adapted to that change...no biggie. Now they've nerfed the omnis...seems like the drone boats were thrown back to 2009 - 2010 era...

I haven't been paying attention to the boards lately, but why did CCP change the omnis mechanics?

I guess i have to store my rattlesnake, along with my tengu (dusting for months now) back to my ship bay. Two ships that i really like turn to crap.

I guess the Mach is next in line huh?

Good job CCP on rebalancing the game...high five...fist bump...two thumbs up to you guys! Keep up the good work. Way to go buddy! You guys are the best!

Nerf everything to the ground. Until everything is balance. EVE would be a great game then. clap! clap! clap!

LOL, you carebears....

EVE has always been a game of balance, adapt or fail.

Keep these words in your mind and you will go far.

EVE has always been a game of balance, adapt or fail.

Keep these words in your mind and you will go far.

You'd have a point if the unbonused drone boats were remotely "overpowered"...they were just fun.

I'm all for balance but people seriously consider a RS/gila/other overpowered? I don't think so. Not even close.

I'm weary of ccp nerfing weapon systems because a couple of hulls are abusive. They're hardly going to revisit the tiericide are they? It's very disappointing and the lack of feedback or interest in the F&I thread has been pretty disgraceful tbh.

Can I adapt? Sure, I can fly about anything, but other stuff wasn't as much fun as the RS/DNI etc. They were massively eclipsed by the domi/ishtar but they were more fun. Now they are not worth the trouble and one might as well jump on the same bandwagon as everyone else.

They are fine... They are still fine...

You just have an active module that works a bit differently than it did before.. O.o

But 'differently' you mean much worse? There's a reason tracking unbonsed sentries only exist in the realms of EFT warriors to pad DPS figures. You can get 3 on a CNR - you get higher paper DPS. In the real world no-one does it because they can't hit ****.

I've not seen a shred of evidence to suggest the problem sits with sentries themselves and NOT the bonused hulls.

To sum it up. Is the rattlesnake better or worse than before. And how many rattlesnake pilots do we have here anyway? For rs pilots, what is your general opinion on the rs current performance. Better or worse? For me, its a step down from before.

Let's cut the melodrama here... One module was slightly nerfed (what a couple have suggested was a buff), and THAT makes the Rattlesnake a bad ship? You guys seriously need to get over this FOTD bull$hit... It's the same ship it's always been, and you don't have as much insane DPS as you used to stacking 12 OMNI's and 26 CalNavy BCS' on it.

You don't like it, pick one of a number of other OP ships. But enough with the drama.

To sum it up. Is the rattlesnake better or worse than before. And how many rattlesnake pilots do we have here anyway? For rs pilots, what is your general opinion on the rs current performance. Better or worse? For me, its a step down from before.

Wait is the arguement here that the rattler is dead because its worth than the domi at lvl 4's?

Because it totally is and you're absolutely right

But the Rattler has always been a substandard mission boat.. That really REALLY not where its strength lies.

Wait is the arguement here that the rattler is dead because its worth than the domi at lvl 4's?

Because it totally is and you're absolutely right

But the Rattler has always been a substandard mission boat.. That really REALLY not where its strength lies.

Prior to MJD range bonused domis the RS was actually quite a competitive droneboat for damage performance. There was no projection disadvantage, plenty of room for DDA's and enough mids for omni's + bonus augmented tank. Slot layout and bonused shield tank made it advantageous IMHO.

What you need for missions is an acceptable amount of tank and a huge dps. The rattler has acceptable dps and a huge amount of tank. It is and has always been suboptimal.

The domi was always over tanked, slow and underganked.

What you need for missions is an acceptable amount of tank and a huge dps. The rattler has acceptable dps and a huge amount of tank. It is and has always been suboptimal.

The domi was always over tanked, slow and underganked.

What you need for missions is an acceptable amount of tank and a huge dps. The rattler has acceptable dps and a huge amount of tank. It is and has always been suboptimal.

Confirmed "lol you carebears..." Has been my mantra this last year,
Inspirational stuff there.

Beside the Rattlesnake has a neat tank, it's not like you can't go up close and personal with it, so the range reduction hurt it less than others.

I just suppose its unfortunate that 80% of all active accounts in eve are in high sec doing PvE.

My only problem with the change, is that i cant see anywhere what the range on my drones are. Before i could just undock and show info of the drones in dronebay. Now i only see the "standard" range no matter where i look.

This needs a fix, i cant be bothered to calculate this myself. My gardes show 30km optimal wheter i have omnis on or not.

Lets hear some more cry's from more people about the their fairy powered weapon system being changed a little. In my apoc I have to change scripts based on if I'm shooting further out or if I'm shooting near. Why should the omni (drone tracking comp) be any different? My turrets use cap do your drones? No, they don't. So deal with it the drone boats are a op system of gameplay.

[quote=Celina Shi]My only problem with the change, is that i cant see anywhere what the range on my drones are. Before i could just undock and show info of the drones in dronebay. Now i only see the "standard" range no matter where i look.

This needs a fix, i cant be bothered to calculate this myself. My gardes show 30km optimal wheter i have omnis on or not.

Oh noes, the ridiculously overpowered FOTM got nerfed just when I was done training for it, screw this game!

A funny thing happened last week.

I needed to earn LP for some Nexus chips, so I took out a Rattlesnake for the first time ever into Angels Extravaganza. The ship performed beautifully, even with two nerfed T2 omnis running scripts; the shield basically shrugged off everything the rats were throwing at it, RHML's served as a nice DPS supplement to drones and kept up pressure when I had to recall sentries to clear aggro, and not only did I not have to warp out of the bonus room (for the first time ever), but I don't think I got a low shield warning even once.

My verdict? Even post-nerf, the Rattlesnake is sort of like a poor man's drone-boat Marauder. You've got to pay attention to your drones, but that's not an onerous task. And you don't even need anything shinier than T2 to unlock its potential.