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Salpun
Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:04:00 -
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As long as we get a list of the missing blocks that are being replaced so we can keep a eye on what is being changed. |
Faith Sunstrider
Manufact Co.
1
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:05:00 -
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CCP Topknot wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪsoooo. Manual patching? Question back: What is it that you like about the manual patchers? We would really like to get rid of manual patchers eventually because it would simplify our build process a lot and like Mandrake said, give us a better environment to push out smaller updates. But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers.
I personally hate manual patchers. But they're useful at least for me. My bandwidth is quite slow at home, but I can download patches (specially the big ones) at work and put'em in a thumb drive to patch my home client.
Patching clients in different computers (I have more three computers at my place) is easier and less bandwidth intensive as well. |
mkint
315
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:11:00 -
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CCP Cascade wrote:Komen wrote:I would say 'no' but I think I'm outvoted.
I am not for this, except for the part where you say this means it simplifies the task of releasing patches.
For that, I say 'yes'. The rest of the gaudy clutter can kindly go jump into a car crusher. What you are seeing is far from anything final. Can you elaborate a bit rather than saying no? Can you look at it the other way around and ask yourself: "What would I like to see in this window?" What feature would improve things for you?
launcher.exe is useful for 2 things:
1) patch day
2) patch fails
In 4 years of playing 2 has never happened for me. And 1 happens on average of every couple months, unless someone screws up.
So, please explain why you want to check for a failed patch EVERY SINGLE TIME we load the client?
This whole things smells of devs who don't play EVE. |
Akira Zendragon
EVE University
Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:11:00 -
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+1 on the laucher and the reasoning behind it.
-1 for yet another missing feature on the Mac client.
Also:
Crunchmeister wrote:Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I find your lack of Macintosh support "disturbing". But then, Windows users always need extra hand-holding.  Odd. Most Windows users consider Apple products to be geared to the technologically challenged who need training wheels and a hand-holding. 
Most Windows users have not actually used a Mac (or have a masochistic tendency to like working for their PCs rather than the other way around... but maybe that's just me) |
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CCP Cascade
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:14:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:CCP Topknot wrote:But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers. Really!? Who are you guys, and where have you been hiding?
Hi Lors Dornick,
Since we're making a new system for updating, installing and repairing your client, it is important that we get to the bottom of what benefits people see in the current tools that are out there. We all know that people use them differently and see different benefits and drawbacks for them and the question was more to get to the core of the concern rather than guessing. Guessing does not fit in well in a two way communication.
The specific concern Tippia raised, has been raised in several replies in this thread and is something we will take a look at together as a team.
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Crasniya
Dragon's Legion of New Eden
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:16:00 -
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Looks almost identical to the World of Warcraft launcher. :) |
oogs
Ex Coelis
The Bantam Menace
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:20:00 -
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Cascade, how will the launcher handle multiboxing? |
Spanking Monkeys
ZC Industries
7
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:21:00 -
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i currently run 7 seperate installs of eve.
will this patch all 7 with one download? if not why not?
will i only see this on patch days? if not why not(mostly cos it will drive me fing mental with 7 clients logging in and out getting to different toons)?
please for the love of god tell me when i boot up each client i will not see this same thing 7 times?
edit. if i have to see this thing everytime i open a client, there will be an option to turn it off right? |
Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
104
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:23:00 -
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CCP Cascade wrote:
What you are seeing is far from anything final. Can you elaborate a bit rather than saying no? Can you look at it the other way around and ask yourself: "What would I like to see in this window?"
What feature would improve things for you?
for me a good launcher is a launcher you don't see ; it does it jobs when needed, and we don't see he exists the others times.
if you want us to see it, then, something that i would like is different saved settings that you can select while launching the patcher ;
for example you create a high quality setting for solo / small gangs and a low quality one for big fleets / multiboxing
and on the patcher you can switch in a second between these and run "play"
after the functionnality depend on how often you want us to have this thing open.
if you consider it as something that may run everytime minimized, add some useful things like skill / ingame mail / fitting functions, but i don't think you want to go that far.
and for sure i DON'T want what i see on the current launcher ; manage you account yes, but plex and buddy invite... NO. that's only for advertising. that's what a free to play launcher wil do, and eve is not. |
Sarmatiko
163
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:25:00 -
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Crasniya wrote:Looks almost identical to the World of Warcraft launcher. :)
Guild Wars did it in 2003. Another feature inven.. stolen by Lizzard.
By the way I dont see any similarities at all. In WOW you still download massive patches in background, not just small delta like in EVE. |
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DaDutchDude
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:27:00 -
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Hmmmmm ..... launcher.exe does not seem to be running for me.
I'm running XP, my XP user is also system admin, and used SisiLauncher.exe to patch test client to latest version. Standard client is on my C: drive, Sisi client is on my F: drive. The Sisi client works fine. When I started launcher.exe for the first time, it showed a "downloading new [something, might be version, but it was pretty fast]" with a progress bar that sprinted from 0 to 100%, after which nothing happened. Starting launcher.exe since results in absolutely nothing happening. Computer has been rebooted, recent version of all drivers and all XP patches installed.
They say that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I always have the best intentions for others ... |
Nu Ewodu
Eretar Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:29:00 -
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Why are devs allways so hush hush about where they got their ideas from / act like they invented something new that has already been done before (like a hundred times) and can't refer to other games?
Don't get me wrong. This is good. |
Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
Narwhals Ate My Duck
11
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:30:00 -
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this launcher seems to confirm rumors that there are in fact people running just a single account
its annoying. why cant it open multiple clients? now instead of starting eve twice, i have to start the launcher twice and start eve twice from a launcher. (or three times, or four times, depending on plex prices) |
Mashie Saldana
Veto.
Veto Corp
72
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:33:00 -
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Nice, this is the same as world of tanks.
Anastasia -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á Dominique-á-á Mashie -á-á Monica |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:45:00 -
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Dont most MMO's have launchers now a days? Seems standard practice...
Like the design by the way, looks great! |
Ender Sai
Foetus Mart
12
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:51:00 -
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This effort fills me with joy, as does all the other possible goodies you're tacking on (multi-stage downloads, watching when patches come out etc etc.)
But really my concern here is this, the launcher you show in the devblog, while visually appealing, looks somewhat generic. You know? Like I thought "wow" but for two reasons instead of one, if you catch my drift.
I note that very careful attention has been paid to how the art in New Eden reflects a "vibe" and I would really appreciate it if this is kept for the new launcher. This is a tall order and I understand if you want to go for the whole "modern web page type launcher interface" which has become quite popular.
The current EVE launcher (assuming I'm not missing the plot completely) is kind of awesome, seeing a Mauler loom into the screen just screams "This is a game about spaceships, and it's not all friendly". Although if I did miss the plot my opinion still stands.
Oh well. Keep up the good words. Erm. And work. |
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
2
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:53:00 -
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Raid'En wrote:remove the monocle on the screens :P
hum were is the devblog/news rss ? same for gaphical options, not visible on current build
No. Keep them. Monocles are a reminder of separating New Eden ISK from Icelandic ISK. No one in his right mind would spend 60$ on a game monocle, but spending a 1.2 billion of micky mouse money sounds about right!
New forum, still no automatic double post merge. CCP Excellence.-á
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Playing the game of life means to pvp. Get used to it or become extinct. |
Solo Player
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:54:00 -
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Several people have asked this, but busily answering devs must have missed it:
Will the new launcher eventually be able to manage both TQ and Sisi (as well as that third one) clients?
It's the only thing that ever bothered me about the old system. |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp
BricK sQuAD.
139
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:55:00 -
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currently we get the option when patching to not clean up data until we have patched all installs. been told this saves downloading the patch over and over. will we get the same option or will this launcher clean up data automaticly?
please can we get the option to turn this off when it isnt patching, really dont need to see an autopatcher when its not patching imo
CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
121
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:58:00 -
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Am I the only one who doesn't really see the point of games with separate launchers?
I double-click an icon on my desktop to play EVE. But instead of EVE I get a window asking me whether I really want to play EVE. I just clicked the button to start it twice, why do I need to click on yet another thing?
Yes I see the point in downloading patches and stuff, but the current client does it just fine - and how often is there a new patch really?
Here's hoping that I will still be able to run EVE simply through the eve.exe file. |
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Rhea Astraeos
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:05:00 -
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Looks nice, but I would get rid of the windows window surrounding the launcher. It's ugly imo and doesn't fit with the rest of the launcher.
Also, I think an EVEgate intergration would be nice. So that you login to EVE Gate in the launcher with all it's functionality. And when ingame you ramain logged in! (into EVE Gate Ingame browser) |
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
2
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:06:00 -
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Raid'En wrote:CCP Cascade wrote:
What you are seeing is far from anything final. Can you elaborate a bit rather than saying no? Can you look at it the other way around and ask yourself: "What would I like to see in this window?"
What feature would improve things for you?
for me a good launcher is a launcher you don't see ; it does it jobs when needed, and we don't see he exists the others times. if you want us to see it, then, something that i would like is different saved settings that you can select while launching the patcher ; for example you create a high quality setting for solo / small gangs and a low quality one for big fleets / multiboxing and on the patcher you can switch in a second between these and run "play" after the functionnality depend on how often you want us to have this thing open. if you consider it as something that may run everytime minimized, add some useful things like skill / ingame mail / fitting functions, but i don't think you want to go that far. and for sure i DON'T want what i see on the current launcher ; manage you account yes, but plex and buddy invite... NO. that's only for advertising. that's what a free to play launcher wil do, and eve is not.
I would grant them their adds in a launcher, that is ok AND convenient IF I actually want to use on of these features. But in this case eve gate and forum should be added as well as launch option.
Different Settings is a good point, actually I would add different accounts into this. I want ONE launcher for Singularity, and Tranquility. And I want to start as much instances of clients as I want from this single launcher.
I want to choose furthermore which Characters I want to log in, and which what preset of configuration I start this, and while you are at it, the launcher could offer a status of all running clients: "Character, Location, docked or in space", maybe add even a mini preview of what is running in this client.
Password Saving for Multiple Accounts would be nice too (decent encrypted for sure), and beeing able to restart a client with a different character via launcher sounds good too. Oh and iirc eve login is right now not encrypted, so adding here a bit security for people which play on open networks would be nice.
Ok, enough of wet dreams, looks good so far. You could again integrate that sisi launcher into the tranquilly launcher at least and give us a look at our eve gate page, because there is a lot of space right now, used for advertisement right now.
New forum, still no automatic double post merge. CCP Excellence.-á
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Playing the game of life means to pvp. Get used to it or become extinct. |
Princess Cellestia
Friendship is Podding
Test Alliance Please Ignore
88
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:08:00 -
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Basically the guys running one or two install of EVE wont have much of an issue. Those of us who run 6 8 or like a guy in my corp 16 different clients in different folders will have issues without manual patching, since this will mean opening up one client, waiting for the patch to finish, then the second, then the 3rd and so on. Manual lets us download it once and then just keep replacing directories for the install location. And I can imagine how much easier manual installation is for those who have multiple machines. Now if the installer gave an option to install to patch multiple installs simultaneously somehow that would be amazing. |
Gripen
132
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:12:00 -
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I would prefer manual patching to stay but if it's inevitable please could we have a setting for temporary folder selection because changing TEMP variable every time to apply patch is a pita. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
154
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:12:00 -
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CCP I want it NAO !!
Nice improvement for you and all the silly players, not me of course because I'm always better than them than you or everyone else, mkay? |
Peter Drakon
Independent Traders and Builders
MPA
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:13:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:CCP Topknot wrote:But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers. Really!? Who are you guys, and where have you been hiding?
Actualy, they are way behind the industry "standard" already! These kind of things: online patching, using a launcher is a common thing now for years in the software industry, even in those games that are not online! And these things are common for a good many reasons. So where have been you hiding?
They have asked your opinion on this matter, very nice, so be polite and helpful, and spend some time answering them your own reasons for the manual patches, and why you need them. |
Crunchmeister
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD.
87
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:13:00 -
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Rhea Astraeos wrote:Also, I think an EVEgate intergration would be nice. So that you login to EVE Gate in the launcher with all it's functionality. And when ingame you ramain logged in! (into EVE Gate Ingame browser)
The question is, do people actually use Spacebook other than checking their in-game mail when they're unable to log into the game? |
SuperSpy00bob
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:20:00 -
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The only thing that bothers me about launcher programs is it adds yet another step to launching eve, something I tend to do several dozen times a day, normally swapping alts residing on 1 account (where is my 'return to character selection' button!?).
Hopefully there is in fact a hide or skip button so it doesn't make it take even more time to switch characters.
If it makes it easier to design or deploy patches then I'm all for it, but I worry it will end up being a waste of time/clicks 99% of the time (normal use) and helpful 1% of the time (patch day). |
Blue Harrier
15
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:20:00 -
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CCP Topknot wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪsoooo. Manual patching? Question back: What is it that you like about the manual patchers? We would really like to get rid of manual patchers eventually because it would simplify our build process a lot and like Mandrake said, give us a better environment to push out smaller updates. But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers.
As you asked here is my thoughts on manual patching;
I said earlier in the thread as of now I simply download one patch/expansion put it on a flash drive (or copy it over our network depending on if the computer that downloaded it is online).
Then simply go to each machine and update the client as required. With our limited bandwidth and download speed this is by far the easiest option with more than one client to update (I also do this for SiSi by the way if the patch is over 250 Mb).
So either the launcher will have to provide a way of importing the already downloaded data from another launcher, either via the network or a flash drive or we still have a manual patch we can download.
If our local exchange is busy and contention has kicked in the only option then is to download early in the morning and I canGÇÖt see anyone staying up all night just to download the patch for 5 computers. We currently use a download manager to do this and shut down the pc while we are asleep.
You have to remember not everyone has an uber 100 Megabyte fibre to the home, unlimited bandwidth connection, some of us still live in the real world with bits of string to connect us  .
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Vegare
Das zweite Konglomerat
The Initiative.
8
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:20:00 -
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would be cool to be able to log in using the launcher interface, too.
If this was possible the players attention would be required once less in order to get into game.
log in and start game through launcher (wait)-> choose character (wait)-> play
instead of:
start game through launcher (wait)-> log in (wait)-> choose character (wait)-> play
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