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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.09 14:57:00 -
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CCP Topknot and gang have been building a new launcher for EVE that's going to make all our lives easier.
You can read the blog here, and as always, we await your feedback right here in this thread. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
104
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Posted - 2011.11.09 14:58:00 -
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remove the monocle on the screens :P |
Istan Mahwi
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:00:00 -
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2nd!
well lets see what happens :) |
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CCP Topknot
C C P C C P Alliance
3
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:01:00 -
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Third? |
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XreiX
The Real OC Cascade Imminent
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:03:00 -
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We want a pink sheep launcher! |
Darod Zyree
Zyree Holding
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:04:00 -
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Does this take away the need to close running clients while updating another? |
Istan Mahwi
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:06:00 -
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right you are sir! |
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CCP Topknot
C C P C C P Alliance
4
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:07:00 -
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Darod Zyree wrote:Does this take away the need to close running clients while updating another? No.
They are all running the same executable so if you update your client, you are updating ALL your running clients. That's why you need to close all running instances. |
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TheButcherPete
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
6
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:07:00 -
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This is a nice, convienient feature, I think I'll enjoy it. The devblog-a-day thing is a nice gesture, I hope it's enough, CCP.
/srstalk
inb4Chribba I AM PETEBBA, MASTER OF PLAGIOCLASE. |
ORCACommander
Astral Synthetics
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:08:00 -
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looks good but i don't want it. when i click the shortcut for my game i want to go into the game not into a cd autorun menu. |
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
326
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:10:00 -
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Quote:In regards to future improvements, a few ideas that we have been tossing around include:
* Totally automatic updating where the launcher will update EVE automatically for you as soon as a patch becomes available while you are outside taking a romantic walk on the beach.
* Staged installing. Downloading the whole game and installing it takes a good while so we are thinking of giving newbies the chance to install the game in stages. This would mean that they could start by creating their character while the rest of the game is being downloaded.
* Give you access to the game settings, so you could for instance set the graphics settings before starting the game.
Auto Update = Meh.I have no desire to let yet another program run in the background on my computer just so that it can download patch updates in the background. I suspect a lot of other folks would feel the same way, so I don't see that as a high-priority thing to be worked on.
Staged Install = Good. Makes sense that you can start working on the character creator and start reading help files or being pointed to the various "tutorial" wikis out there.
Access to Settings = Double-Plus Good. Gives you a way to fix screwed up video or other settings before launching.
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Grideris
Fleet Coordination Command Fleet Coordination Coalition
40
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:10:00 -
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in before Chribba.
Cool stuff is cool. Also, please do add the ability to change game settings from the launcher. That would be very useful to many many people. And the auto updater.
Also, can it make me a sandwich? |
Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
104
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:10:00 -
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how will it work when i want to launch all my accounts at the same time ? will i like x launchers ?
also while you're at patch update, why do i need to install optionnal update on each client, while they are the same files, using junctions ?
also current version on sisi show TQ stats, and have no graphical options available.
and i hope you'll add an option for it to launch the game by itself if there's is nothing to patch. |
Raquel Smith
Freedom-Technologies The Jagged Alliance
18
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:11:00 -
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GîÿF Mac
Not surprised. Sigh. |
Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy Spreadsheets Online
6
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:11:00 -
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Eve patcher now with 80% more ads. |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1056
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:12:00 -
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I find your lack of Macintosh support "disturbing".
But then, Windows users always need extra hand-holding. CSM - because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism! CSM 6 Activities Summary | My CSM blog |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
50
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:13:00 -
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Indeed, but keeping with a good example, letting us like the author of the devblog instead of the like gathering Guard ;)
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Dierdra Vaal
Veto. Veto Corp
48
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:14:00 -
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Will this launcher include SiSi launch ability as well?
Veto #205 * * * Director Emeritus at EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman |
TheButcherPete
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
6
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:16:00 -
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Stuff. |
Darod Zyree
Zyree Holding
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:18:00 -
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CCP Topknot wrote:Darod Zyree wrote:Does this take away the need to close running clients while updating another? No. They are all running the same executable so if you update your client, you are updating ALL your running clients. That's why you need to close all running instances.
Not exactly if you have multiple eve "installations", as in each client having its own folder, the updater always closes all running eve clients when updating another.
same happened when I was applying a SISI patch to my SISI folder, it closed my Tranq eve client :(
all eve.exe processes get killed during patch installation? |
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Dalton Vanadis
Miranda United F0RCEFUL ENTRY
425
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:20:00 -
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It's shiny, it's cool, here's to hoping it's all it's cracked up to be.
Thanks guys, keep up the hard work! |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
736
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:21:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:Indeed, but keeping with a good example, letting us like the author of the devblog instead of the like gathering Guard ;)
This new alarming trend could interfere with my cunning plan to hoard all the likes for myself and become part of the 1% "like elite". CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
50
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:21:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I find your lack of Macintosh support "disturbing". But then, Windows users always need extra hand-holding.
But Macintosh users doesn't need that kind of help.
They'll get a window saying "you've messed up, want to restart?" and get presented with a box with the only alternative being 'yes' ;)
But as one who actually voted for you, you're out on a limb here Treb.
As a seasoned player, CSM and obviously a Machead, you should know that the Mac adoptation isn't an inhouse operation.
It's something they buy, to make wannabe artists, hippies and other random apple users happy ;)
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BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
17
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:22:00 -
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The auto patching might be useful on patch days, so it'll update while I sleep and be ready to play when I wake up. Other than those specific days I don't think I want it, like someone aboove said, its just one more item cluttering, my task bar and running in the background.
Also, it would be great if this conteolled sisi and dual installations too, just gather everything in one patcher/updater. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
50
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:23:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:Indeed, but keeping with a good example, letting us like the author of the devblog instead of the like gathering Guard ;) This new alarming trend could interfere with my cunning plan to hoard all the likes for myself and become part of the 1% "like elite".
Part of the 1%?
You actually want Treb to ask for you to be fired? ;)
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Nelix Trist
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:27:00 -
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:( does this mean we lose our splash screen after 8 years of it being with us? Nelix Trist - The best an Eve Universe can get! |
Arth Lawing
Penumbra Institute Inver Brass
2
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:29:00 -
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ORCACommander wrote:looks good but i don't want it. when i click the shortcut for my game i want to go into the game not into a cd autorun menu.
This. If we wanted all that web content account management stuff we'd launch our Firefox and do it. The auto patching isn't going to happen because if I'm not online playing I won't be running these pathetic launchers that everyone seems to insist on using these days as a way to clutter up your PC with useless ads and crap.
Old patch day = do stuff while waiting for server, do patch, play New patch day = sit watching launcher wait for server, do patch, play
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Dziu
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:29:00 -
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If we got this can we have see some logoff option that wont restart the client EVERY SINGLE TIME? |
Overspark
Darqsyde Exploration Limited Mass - Effect
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:30:00 -
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The whole separate launcher concept is a bit flawed on recent Windows versions (Vista & 7) as it doesn't play nice with the taskbar. If you have EVE pinned to your taskbar, you will notice that after launching EVE a new EVE icon appears on your taskbar instead of the pinned icon remaining active.
To circumvent this problem, people make shortcuts that bypass the current launcher (which only shows a splash screen) and executes the EVE binary directly. I use this to launch 2 different EVE's (from different directories) for 2 different monitors for example. By pinning those shortcuts I always know which icon is which EVE. If they weren't pinned I wouldn't be able to tell them apart.
If this problem can somehow be solved then this new launcher sounds like a nice thing I guess. And if it can't be solved then I hope this new launcher isn't the only way to patch EVE, and that the old way of launching the binary directly continues to work. |
Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
197
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:31:00 -
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The SiSi installer had a problem for a friend of mine who has his EVE installed on a different drive than C:. Specifically, it tried to download all patches etc. to C:, and then complained that there was not enough space, while D: had multiple gigabytes of space left.
It would be nice if the downloads of large quantities of data do not go to C: if the install directory is not on C: :-)
Otherwise, nice work! |
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Orisa Medeem
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:33:00 -
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People here already mentioned that the same launcher could control the test servers installations.
I want to go a step further and suggest that those could be subfolders in the main Eve installation, keeping only the files that differ from the current TQ build.
I understand that not everyone will like this idea, because eve cannot manage multiple settings schemes, but thats another feature we would like to see. :sand: -áover -á:awesome: |
Dareth Meroul
OMRE
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:38:00 -
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No more cool 3D scene playing in the background of the launcher? It may be functionally irrelevant, but... I do love it so.
It doesn't have to be full screen the way it is now, but it sure would be nice to have a living EVE background for all of the UI/feature goodness coming to the foreground. |
Crunchmeister
THORN Syndicate BricK sQuAD.
87
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:40:00 -
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Just make sure that this front end is capable of launching multiple clients. It would be pointless otherwise.
Also, how about letting us log off a character without having to restart the client. Just take us back to the character selection screen and choose a new char on the same account!
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I find your lack of Macintosh support "disturbing". But then, Windows users always need extra hand-holding.
Odd. Most Windows users consider Apple products to be geared to the technologically challenged who need training wheels and a hand-holding.
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Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
22
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:40:00 -
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CCP Topknot wrote:Totally automatic updating where the launcher will update EVE automatically for you as soon as a patch becomes available while you are outside taking a romantic walk on the beach.
So I don't even have to click on something to delete my boot.ini in future! I hope this will be an optional feature.
In general though good stuff.
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Verbz
ANZAC ACADEMY
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:41:00 -
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Bah more rubbish that isnt needed in EvE
Why not complete the stuff that needs fixing instead of creating another button i have to click ...
Great use of resources when eve is dying, lets make a ****** box that people can stare at blankly ! /sarcasm |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1298
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:43:00 -
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You will still provide manual patches, I hope? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
M1AU
Farstriders New Eden Industrie Alliance
27
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:43:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I find your lack of Macintosh support "disturbing". But then, Windows users always need extra hand-holding.
Well, the lack of Linux support is and will always be disturbing too. |
Euriti
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:44:00 -
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Waste of time, waste of space |
Adrenalinemax
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:48:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I find your lack of Macintosh support "disturbing". But then, Windows users always need extra hand-holding.
Just another feature mac users don't get
**** you assclowns, then again, I would rather you fix the mac client first.....I can only assume you are working on that instead. |
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
14
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:52:00 -
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Totally automatic updating where the launcher will update EVE automatically for you as soon as a patch becomes available while you are outside taking a romantic walk on the beach. ... OMG I have a BEACH outside???
Good work ppl - keep that information flowing |
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DeadNite
Focused Annihilation Detrimental Imperative
2
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:52:00 -
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I do have a few question/comments about the EveOnline launcher:
1.) Will you be integrating the SiSi/Duality server launcher with it. I personally think that this would allow you to hit the mass test numbers you are always looking for if when opening the launcher you have a big banner at the top that says "Need capsuleers for mass test, click here to run the test client (with a big flashy arrow of course)." This beats the current way of having a link that takes you to a page that takes you to another page which then takes you to a wiki page that shoots you to the test server forum. Granted you provide 100 opportunities to make sure people are aware of the process and rules of SiSI/Duality but as I am sure you are aware of, more often than not people still engage on stations, engage on gates, re-list items they purchased in excess...etc. (My personal favorite is people joining MoveMe only to ask how they get moved completely ignoring the message of the day in Las Vegas text telling them how to get moved)...sigh
2.) Can you confirm that this will be the only way to launch the game or can those who still wish just continue to launch it the current way do so? Mac/Linux users come to mind because if they don't get the launcher you would assume that the servers are capable of distributing patches as they currently do.
3.) Any reason you chose not to integrate EveGate into your launcher solution? Perhaps have an EveGate feel to start adding a consistent look and feel to the tools you provide. This way you can do everything related to eve in the launcher tool and have an interface that you have championed for quite some time. (Ex: The EveOnline Launcher mirrors EveGate and has a progress bar under the tabs with the play button as a tabGǪetc) The goal, ultimately, is for those new to the game or those who have not used the feature for awhile are able to intuitively use it due to knowledge from other feature use. (IE: Make UI objects and buttons in similar locations throughout all feature interfaces so that the player knows exactly where to look when looking for how to execute or modify their choices.)
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Spyker Slater
LASER TECH For Medicinal Use Only
1
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:53:00 -
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Here is a suggestion. I remember many a patch day sitting for hours F5'ing the forums and reading all the rage/trolling/funny stuff people had to say while waiting to play. Maybe you could add a way to comment with a "twitter like" scrolling thingy so we have something to do on patch day. |
Ariane VoxDei
8
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:54:00 -
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Hate launchers with a vengeance.
Intrusive, spammy, in your face, reducing control.
So, will we still be able to run without it?
Currently go to singularity without it.
Thinking of 2 things that the launcher has potental to break (if not). switches to eve.exe, such as /LUA:OFF and priority switches, such as "cmd.exe /k start /belownormal /b eve.exe /LUA:OFF". (inb4 pedants, the example is not entirely correct) |
Jack bubu
GK inc. Pandemic Legion
72
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:54:00 -
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So will this be mandatory or optional? |
Akara Ito
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:55:00 -
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Please add an option to set a maximum download speed, or at least make the launcher clever enough to scale the download down if another programm needs download.
Thats thing with the integrated SiSi launcher would be nice as well. |
Raziphan Rebular
Crypsus Tetsuo Shio
30
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Posted - 2011.11.09 15:58:00 -
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Dziu wrote:If we got this can we have see some logoff option that wont restart the client EVERY SINGLE TIME?
What? insane! how dare you suggest simple features that every other MMO in the history of mankind has had. Now go sit in the corner and think about what you did! |
The Offerer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
44
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:01:00 -
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Very nice addition. Thank you. |
rofflesausage
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:01:00 -
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Can I launch Eve.exe directly still and jump directly to the game? Will this still patch fine if there has been an update? - I'm assuming so if the Mac client can't use this tool.
I am assuming there is nothing crazy with this tool like a requirement for it being running / background services to play Eve, annoying Apple style?
Cheers |
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CCP Topknot
C C P C C P Alliance
9
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:02:00 -
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Akara Ito wrote:Please add an option to set a maximum download speed, or at least make the launcher clever enough to scale the download down if another programm needs download. This is already in there.
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Riffix
Synergistic Arbitrage
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:03:00 -
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Arth Lawing wrote:ORCACommander wrote:looks good but i don't want it. when i click the shortcut for my game i want to go into the game not into a cd autorun menu. This. If we wanted all that web content account management stuff we'd launch our Firefox and do it. The auto patching isn't going to happen because if I'm not online playing I won't be running these pathetic launchers that everyone seems to insist on using these days as a way to clutter up your PC with useless ads and crap. Old patch day = do stuff while waiting for server, do patch, play New patch day = sit watching launcher wait for server, do patch, play
I want to agree with you but the reality is that the reason "everyone" is using these types of things is because the alternative (the way CCP does it now) is much more cumbersome.
i.e. Start game, load game, check for patch, download patch, exit game, patch, enter game.
It takes more resources, more time, and seems generally cumbersome. With all the hotfixes these days you see this fairly often and it is not pleasant.
With a launcher it is basically a 2 step process: start launcher (patching if needed) and then click play to start game. If there is no patch you can click play almost immediate so you only see the launcher about as long as you see the current splash screen.
What I'd like to know is whether this will replace the sisi launcher which is to say I'd like it to. I'd love one single launcher that lets me Play EVE like always or easily click a button if I want to go to test server. The picture in the blog is a perfect example. They are advertising a mass test but how much more participation would get get if the button to join it was right there :-) |
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CCP Topknot
C C P C C P Alliance
9
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:03:00 -
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Dareth Meroul wrote:No more cool 3D scene playing in the background of the launcher? It may be functionally irrelevant, but... I do love it so. It doesn't have to be full screen the way it is now, but it sure would be nice to have a living EVE background for all of the UI/feature goodness coming to the foreground. This is not removing the login screen. You will still see the beautiful login screen :) |
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Sarmatiko
163
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:04:00 -
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I liked old design with hand-drawn Play button more
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CCP Topknot
C C P C C P Alliance
10
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:07:00 -
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BeanBagKing wrote:The auto patching might be useful on patch days, so it'll update while I sleep and be ready to play when I wake up. Other than those specific days I don't think I want it, like someone aboove said, its just one more item cluttering, my task bar and running in the background. Like I said in the blog, this is just one of the things we are considering for future versions. However, if we were ever to do auto patching, it would always be optional and turn-off-able |
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CCP Topknot
C C P C C P Alliance
10
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:08:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:I liked old design with hand-drawn Play button more me too. But I think we are the 1% in this |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
234
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:08:00 -
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Would be a bit more awsome if the launcher was the one program to access all the other Public Test Servers. Like a pulll down select server option (duality sisi tranq) and then patch/install/run and easier uninstall of the test clients.
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iOSJake
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:09:00 -
[56] - Quote
Darod Zyree wrote:The ability to like posts and share content with your friends in the cloud while syncing your photostream with your mobile devices. Naw, just kidding. I love EVE and all of the developers :-) |
Toshiko Kin
Material Reclamation Services
6
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:10:00 -
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While you're working on the Mac version, it would also be nice to be able to tell it where you want stuff installed, and have it not blow away any user set info.plist settings, like what the name of the prefs file is. |
Faith Sunstrider
Manufact Co.
1
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:12:00 -
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Multi threaded downloads? Check Repair option in the launcher? Check EVE news feed? Check Ability to run eve.exe? Check
I don't get the rant. Launchers are cool and useful (for both dev team and players). If you don't like it, just launch the eve.exe. Thanks for the launcher (I really loved the multi threaded download, but increasing "the parts" from 5 to 10 would be awesome). |
Uninhabited
Caldari Elite Force Independence..
3
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:12:00 -
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Unless this has already been mentioned, in future can we get that big PLAY button to have the option to launch multiple(selectable) clients?
EVE is an army of alts as you are no doubt aware. |
Liu Ellens
Blame The Bunny The Dark Nation
9
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:12:00 -
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CCP Topknot wrote:This is not removing the login screen. You will still see the beautiful login screen :) 1. The background of the launcher could show the render of the first, original public launcher (the rotating EVE logo) - this has been asked for a few times recently I believe :)
2. Multiboxing: any support there? e.g. 'launch game 3 times, prefill login names X, Y, Z" (I haven't thought this through to be honest, might still be better to launch the launcher for launching the game three times manually.) I'm a little freighter - short and stout; This is my cargo, this is my route. When I get a lock-on, I scream and shout: "Light up a cyno!" and jump on out. |
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AdZc
Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix
2
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:15:00 -
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Good idea imo, i dunno how many times my corpies have missed important news etc. lol |
Neo Agricola
BLACK-MARK
88
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:16:00 -
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Liu Ellens wrote: 2. Multiboxing: any support there? e.g. 'launch game 3 times, prefill login names X, Y, Z" (I haven't thought this through to be honest, might still be better to launch the launcher for launching the game three times manually.)
+1
Edit, so i dont have to doppelpost:
Niko Lorenzio wrote:Nelix Trist wrote::( does this mean we lose our splash screen after 8 years of it being with us? looks like the Dev said that this is going to be another "window" which will deal with just patching and settings, but we will keep the old school login screen. I REALLY hope we do, it may be years old, but it's simple, clean and I wouldn't give it up for anything!
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Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
3
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:16:00 -
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Nelix Trist wrote::( does this mean we lose our splash screen after 8 years of it being with us?
looks like the Dev said that this is going to be another "window" which will deal with just patching and settings, but we will keep the old school login screen. I REALLY hope we do, it may be years old, but it's simple, clean and I wouldn't give it up for anything! |
Blue Harrier
15
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:18:00 -
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The launcher sounds a good idea and I have used the SiSi one quite often but only for small updates.
For larger updates I prefer to download the full patch so I can save it on to a flash drive and use it to update our other machines (we have 5 to update for test, laptops and other family members machines).
I hope you will still have the full patches available for download for this reason alone or our broadband cap might not be enough if we wanted to update all 5. We also have a typical UK up to 8 Meg broadband which actually means around 4.5 meg download speed so only one machine could be updated at a time if the launcher is the only way.
Would be interested in an answer please.
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Arth Lawing
Penumbra Institute Inver Brass
2
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:18:00 -
[65] - Quote
Riffix wrote: I want to agree with you but the reality is that the reason "everyone" is using these types of things is because the alternative (the way CCP does it now) is much more cumbersome.
i.e. Start game, load game, check for patch, download patch, exit game, patch, start game (hope there isn't another patch/hotfix).
It takes more resources, more time, and seems generally cumbersome. With all the hotfixes these days you see this fairly often and it is not pleasant.
With a launcher it is basically a 2 step process: start launcher (patching if needed) and then click play to start game. If there is no patch you can click play almost immediate so you only see the launcher about as long as you see the current splash screen.
What I'd like to know is whether this will replace the sisi launcher which is to say I'd like it to. I'd love one single launcher that lets me Play EVE like always or easily click a button if I want to go to test server. The picture in the blog is a perfect example. They are advertising a mass test but how much more participation would get get if the button to join it was right there :-)
We know when there are patches available. My RSS reader for the eve news/blogs does that. No need to launch, patch, play; you can grab the patch first.
All that is really needed should there have to be a launcher is a play button with a patch status, no forced web content/adverts/this micro-transaction item is what you must have stuff. And a play button is normally what I expect when I launch the game shortcut. Really, whoever thought it would be a good idea that in order to run one application you had to first run another to do the job of clicking a shortcut. Seems like a very Nexon thing to do. And their launchers usually take longer to start up and check for no update, while they advertise all their MT's, than the game itself takes to load. |
Halloween Harry
X1983
1
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:19:00 -
[66] - Quote
I have 2 eve client installations on Windows 7 to get a configuration per pilot. One is real the other is created with mklink.exe (softlink on filesysystem). So I have only one directory with all the files and a softlink to that dirrectory. I'm getting in %APPDATA%\CCP to different configurations
It would be nice to have a feature in the client that makes the configuration depending on a pilot and not on a account. |
Raziphan Rebular
Crypsus Tetsuo Shio
30
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:19:00 -
[67] - Quote
How about adding a box or something that shows the status of tranq on the launcher? so I don't have to launch the client every time I want to know if the server is back up?
EDIT: I went back and double checked seems it is already there. Well done. |
Cailais
Rekall Incorporated
112
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:22:00 -
[68] - Quote
That big bag'o'space in the middle - yeah that bit that say "Welcome! Feedback! Kittens!" etc. How about dropping in some CCP Youtube Vids / Alliance Tourney action and similar in there?
Otherwise looks quite nice
C.
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Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
78
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:25:00 -
[69] - Quote
I have mixed feelings about this, mostly because it sounds quite good... The problem is, I absolutely hate auto-updating software, my Firewall/AV does it, well fair enough... My Windows 7 does it cause my AV cries like a ***** when I switch it off... But that's it. My printer, and everything else that wants to run its own background launcher can **** off, to be honest.
Yours' sounds good though, which is bad... because, for me at least, it's been a good six months or so since the Sisi launcher worked properly -- it always crashes, and fails to update, always...
The only way I can get it to work, is to keep a spare copy of the full offline Eve installer on my HDD, and re-install Eve completely (in my Sisi folder) every time you change 'builds'.
In the old days, I could just copy-over the contents of my main TQ folder, and use the 'repair' option, but not any more... As soon as an 'optional' patch, or update has hit my TQ folder the Sisi launcher can't handle it...
Please tell me this launcher will be more "Intelligent" --- or, completely optional. |
Sarmatiko
163
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:29:00 -
[70] - Quote
So it looks like Launcher using Internet Explorer engine installed in system. I wonder why not to use Awesomium instead, its already in Eve client and standalone. If launcher supposed to be next "Initial installer", then you can always include awesomium.dll with launcher package, right? IE give me creeps each time I think about it.
Also obviously IE context menu should be disabled. |
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oogs
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:30:00 -
[71] - Quote
Same question as a few others - what about us multi-boxers? I run upwards of 4 instances, and I have clients configured per-video card*. Will this still be possible with the launcher?
*To clarify: I have 2 video cards, each card runs 2 displays. If I use the client configured to use GPU 1 (or 2) on the displays powered by GPU 3 (or 4), I get horrible FPS. So that I don't have to change settings all the time, I just have 2 copies of EVE on my system, one configured for each video card. |
Halloween Harry
X1983
1
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:31:00 -
[72] - Quote
I tried the laucher, after updating the installation with the old sisi laucher, but the update window disappears and nothing happens. Even in the task manager is no trace of this program. |
SmugBaldy
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:31:00 -
[73] - Quote
CCP Topknot wrote: The launcher is currently only available on Windows. That means that if you are playing EVE on a Mac you wonGÇÖt be able to enjoy it, our apologies.
Insincere is also a word. |
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CCP Mandrake
C C P C C P Alliance
2
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:32:00 -
[74] - Quote
Sarmatiko wrote:So it looks like Launcher using Internet Explorer engine installed in system. I wonder why not to use Awesomium instead, its already in Eve client and standalone. If launcher supposed to be next "Initial installer", then you can always include awesomium.dll with launcher package, right? IE give me creeps each time I think about it. Also obviously IE context menu should be disabled.
We are working on putting chromium using webkit into the launcher, IE is just a temporary placeholder. |
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Riffix
Synergistic Arbitrage
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:33:00 -
[75] - Quote
Arth Lawing wrote:Riffix wrote: I want to agree with you but the reality is that the reason "everyone" is using these types of things is because the alternative (the way CCP does it now) is much more cumbersome.
i.e. Start game, load game, check for patch, download patch, exit game, patch, start game (hope there isn't another patch/hotfix).
It takes more resources, more time, and seems generally cumbersome. With all the hotfixes these days you see this fairly often and it is not pleasant.
With a launcher it is basically a 2 step process: start launcher (patching if needed) and then click play to start game. If there is no patch you can click play almost immediate so you only see the launcher about as long as you see the current splash screen.
What I'd like to know is whether this will replace the sisi launcher which is to say I'd like it to. I'd love one single launcher that lets me Play EVE like always or easily click a button if I want to go to test server. The picture in the blog is a perfect example. They are advertising a mass test but how much more participation would get get if the button to join it was right there :-)
We know when there are patches available. My RSS reader for the eve news/blogs does that. No need to launch, patch, play; you can grab the patch first. All that is really needed should there have to be a launcher is a play button with a patch status, no forced web content/adverts/this micro-transaction item is what you must have stuff. And a play button is normally what I expect when I launch the game shortcut. Really, whoever thought it would be a good idea that in order to run one application you had to first run another to do the job of clicking a shortcut. Seems like a very Nexon thing to do. And their launchers usually take longer to start up and check for no update, while they advertise all their MT's, than the game itself takes to load.
EVE already "forced" ads that display over the login screen. I'm confused about where your gripe really is. Are you complaining about the fact that there is a launcher or what it looks like? In terms of what it looks like, it is pretty minimalist and looks fairly useful in terms of launchers. If you are complaining about using it at all, I guess all I can say is that you need to get out more. They are a fact of life for any complicated online game or MMO that regularly updates.
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Miliam Brinalle
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:33:00 -
[76] - Quote
Will there be an option to automatically skip it when there are not updates ? Will it slowdown the startup process ? The last thing I want is more wait and more pointless clicks to launch the game.
Also, will it be as ridiculously slow as SiSi launcher is when there is something to update ? ie. the long "calculating new patch" or "initializing" or whatever it is that it does. Hell, I remember checking it not long ago while it was stuck in "initializing" forever and it was stuck making hundreds of requests to an HTTP server. I seriously hope that it has improved since then. |
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CCP Mandrake
C C P C C P Alliance
2
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:34:00 -
[77] - Quote
oogs wrote:Same question as a few others - what about us multi-boxers? I run upwards of 4 instances, and I have clients configured per-video card*. Will this still be possible with the launcher?
*To clarify: I have 2 video cards, each card runs 2 displays. If I use the client configured to use GPU 1 (or 2) on the displays powered by GPU 3 (or 4), I get horrible FPS. So that I don't have to change settings all the time, I just have 2 copies of EVE on my system, one configured for each video card.
The launcher will not interfere with your settings. By having two clients in two separate folders you will have two different launchers as well, each starting eve up with that specific client settings as usual. |
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Grukni
Shimai of New Eden N E X O
17
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:35:00 -
[78] - Quote
When the launcher is executed, it shouldn't show the window unless there's something to patch. No more extra clicks, pls. |
Kassasis Dakkstromri
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
97
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:35:00 -
[79] - Quote
I really am at a loss on how to constructively criticize this... so I won't.
This launcher is HORRIBLE - not for what it does, but for it's copy cat design.
The dev team needs to make it styled according to EVE, not a carbon copy of every other launcher in the industry!
Stop playing with that damn rubix cube, and make a dark sci-fi launcher that preserves our traditional splash screen!!!
While the fundamental idea isn't bad, the UI launcher is so ugly my computer will need to wear two condoms just to touch it....
/emo rage
FIX IT AGAIN! |
cpu939
OffBeat Creations
6
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:38:00 -
[80] - Quote
ok so i have been up for god knows how long and very little sleep efore that but i have 2 eve folders (3 inc sisi) with this launcher can i update both client folders at the same time you know a patch to folder 1 - 2 ect saving time on patching multipul clients can i also launch the clients at the same time or if i'm only needing 1 to luanch that one
as i see it botton 1 - play as cpu939 botton 2 - play as playerxxxxxx botton 3 - luanch all clients botton linked to client folders and players able to set the names.
maybe i'm just living in hope |
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Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
19
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:39:00 -
[81] - Quote
Traceback (most recent call last): File "launcher.py", line 30, in <module> File "localization\__init__.pyc", line 34, in LoadLocalizationData File "localization\localization.pyc", line 31, in __init__ File "localization\localization.pyc", line 58, in _LoadLanguageData File "xml\dom\minidom.pyc", line 1911, in parse File "xml\dom\expatbuilder.pyc", line 922, in parse IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'launcher/localization.xml'
The above error is what I get in Wine. The Sisi version of "eve.exe" works with the same wine prefix and installation.
It tries to load and just says an error occurred and refers me to the launcher.exe.log file which is where the contents above are from. Your stuff goes here. |
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CCP Mandrake
C C P C C P Alliance
2
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:40:00 -
[82] - Quote
Miliam Brinalle wrote:Will there be an option to automatically skip it when there are not updates ? Will it slowdown the startup process ? The last thing I want is more wait and more pointless clicks to launch the game.
Also, will it be as ridiculously slow as SiSi launcher is when there is something to update ? ie. the long "calculating new patch" or "initializing" or whatever it is that it does. Hell, I remember checking it not long ago while it was stuck in "initializing" forever and it was stuck making hundreds of requests to an HTTP server. I seriously hope that it has improved since then.
I had been thinking of adding an option to the launcher settings that when set, the launcher window would not pop up unless there was an update. I decided against it at this stage as once set, it would lock you out of the launcher and always start eve directly until next time there is an update. But seeing as how many players are asking about this, i don't see why i shouldn't add this feature.
The launcher uses the same update mechanism as the repair tool, sisi launcher and the generic patches with some minor improvements.
The issue of the update mechanism making hundreds of http requests has been fixed though, so if this still happens, please let us know.
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Kassasis Dakkstromri
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
97
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:41:00 -
[83] - Quote
CCP Mandrake wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:So it looks like Launcher using Internet Explorer engine installed in system. I wonder why not to use Awesomium instead, its already in Eve client and standalone. If launcher supposed to be next "Initial installer", then you can always include awesomium.dll with launcher package, right? IE give me creeps each time I think about it. Also obviously IE context menu should be disabled. We are working on putting awesomium into the launcher, IE is just a temporary placeholder.
Then next devblog please place a 'WIP" disclaimer on the image (I didn't notice one), as well as in the CCP video just posted.
You guys make alot of emo nerd rage when you don't specify WIP as opposed to insinuating a final design |
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CCP Mandrake
C C P C C P Alliance
2
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:44:00 -
[84] - Quote
Palovana wrote:Traceback (most recent call last): File "launcher.py", line 30, in <module> File "localization\__init__.pyc", line 34, in LoadLocalizationData File "localization\localization.pyc", line 31, in __init__ File "localization\localization.pyc", line 58, in _LoadLanguageData File "xml\dom\minidom.pyc", line 1911, in parse File "xml\dom\expatbuilder.pyc", line 922, in parse IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'launcher/localization.xml'
The above error is what I get in Wine. The Sisi version of "eve.exe" works with the same wine prefix and installation.
It tries to load and just says an error occurred and refers me to the launcher.exe.log file which is where the contents above are from.
Run the repair tool and it will fix it, you will have to run it with a special command line though ...
repair.exe --server=SISI |
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Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
197
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:45:00 -
[85] - Quote
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:You guys make alot of emo nerd rage when you don't specify WIP as opposed to insinuating a final design To be honest, I have not noticed a reduction in troll posts emo rage, regardless of whether it says "WIP", "just asking for comments" or nothing at all. |
Asthariye
Angry Mustellid
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:46:00 -
[86] - Quote
This sounds good, but I have one big concern.
I'm on a pretty bad connection (1.5mb down on a really good day) and I have a 50GB/month download limit. (Don't laugh, I live about 20 miles north of everything and it's the best available round here) My partner and I both play EVE, which means on patch day we'll be updating at least two computers. Does that mean we *have* to download the patch twice? That would be really annoying, considering the usual size of major patches - it would really eat into my montly limit, not to mention take forever.
Will you still provide manual patch files that can be moved between PCs? That would really help me, and I'm sure there are many others in similar situations. (No, we are not in fact all on superfast unlimited fiberoptic....I'll take that as the joke I'm assuming it was intended as!)
Dev comment on this use case would be really good, I can't imagine I'm the only person for whom this is a problem. |
Leon Razor
Measure Zero
5
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:49:00 -
[87] - Quote
CCP Mandrake wrote:Miliam Brinalle wrote:Will there be an option to automatically skip it when there are not updates ? Will it slowdown the startup process ? The last thing I want is more wait and more pointless clicks to launch the game.
Also, will it be as ridiculously slow as SiSi launcher is when there is something to update ? ie. the long "calculating new patch" or "initializing" or whatever it is that it does. Hell, I remember checking it not long ago while it was stuck in "initializing" forever and it was stuck making hundreds of requests to an HTTP server. I seriously hope that it has improved since then. I had been thinking of adding an option to the launcher settings that when set, the launcher window would not pop up unless there was an update. I decided against it at this stage as once set, it would lock you out of the launcher and always start eve directly until next time there is an update. But seeing as how many players are asking about this, i don't see why i shouldn't add this feature. The launcher uses the same update mechanism as the repair tool, sisi launcher and the generic patches with some minor improvements. The issue of the update mechanism making hundreds of http requests has been fixed though, so if this still happens, please let us know.
Please give us auto-launch. Just put an option in the client settings menu that toggles this option. |
Miliam Brinalle
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:49:00 -
[88] - Quote
CCP Mandrake wrote: I had been thinking of adding an option to the launcher settings that when set, the launcher window would not pop up unless there was an update. I decided against it at this stage as once set, it would lock you out of the launcher and always start eve directly until next time there is an update. But seeing as how many players are asking about this, i don't see why i shouldn't add this feature.
Please do. Keep in mind that a lot of us have launch several clients for our alts, it would get pretty annoying quickly having to dismiss the launcher for every client.
Regarding the updater, I guess it is not that bad since there aren't updates that often anyway, but really the update process shouldn't need to check every file as the repair tool does. |
Neo Agricola
BLACK-MARK
88
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Posted - 2011.11.09 16:49:00 -
[89] - Quote
Asthariye wrote:Dev comment on this use case would be really good, I can't imagine I'm the only person for whom this is a problem. +1 hate the Idea of updating X clients on 3 different systems with my bandwith... DISSONANCE is recruiting Members: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=70361#post70361 Black-Mark Alliance Recruitment: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6710 |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
50
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:00:00 -
[90] - Quote
CCP Topknot wrote:Akara Ito wrote:Please add an option to set a maximum download speed This is already in there.
Hmm, what is this?
Looking for a share of the Veritas/Diagoras free boose bit?
Looking good, but you'll have to provide a lil bit more before you reach that level.
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
50
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:03:00 -
[91] - Quote
CCP Mandrake wrote:Palovana wrote:Traceback (most recent call last): File "launcher.py", line 30, in <module> File "localization\__init__.pyc", line 34, in LoadLocalizationData File "localization\localization.pyc", line 31, in __init__ File "localization\localization.pyc", line 58, in _LoadLanguageData File "xml\dom\minidom.pyc", line 1911, in parse File "xml\dom\expatbuilder.pyc", line 922, in parse IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'launcher/localization.xml'
The above error is what I get in Wine. The Sisi version of "eve.exe" works with the same wine prefix and installation.
It tries to load and just says an error occurred and refers me to the launcher.exe.log file which is where the contents above are from. Run the repair tool and it will fix it, you will have to run it with a special command line though ... repair.exe --server=SISI
And here we have Mandrake, also wanting to have free alcohol;)
Good try, work harder, we'll judge you all at fanfest.
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Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
104
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:04:00 -
[92] - Quote
CCP Mandrake wrote:
The launcher will not interfere with your settings. By having two clients in two separate folders you will have two different launchers as well, each starting eve up with that specific client settings as usual.
you realize it wil be a pain for us to have all these things launch, while we only need one patcher ? i often launch all clients at the same time, and i really don't want tons of launchers poping at the same time for no reason.
CCP Mandrake wrote: I had been thinking of adding an option to the launcher settings that when set, the launcher window would not pop up unless there was an update. I decided against it at this stage as once set, it would lock you out of the launcher and always start eve directly until next time there is an update. But seeing as how many players are asking about this, i don't see why i shouldn't add this feature.
given you're strongly copying how wow launcher works, don't forget it as also a checkbox on the options to let the launcher always appear, or only when there's a new patch. give us the same checkbox please. |
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CCP Mandrake
C C P C C P Alliance
5
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:04:00 -
[93] - Quote
Faith Sunstrider wrote:Multi threaded downloads? Check Repair option in the launcher? Check EVE news feed? Check Ability to run eve.exe? Check
I don't get the rant. Launchers are cool and useful (for both dev team and players). If you don't like it, just launch the eve.exe. Thanks for the launcher (I really loved the multi threaded download, but increasing "the parts" from 5 to 10 would be awesome).
if you wish to increase the download threads from 5 to 10, click the settings link in the launcher and move the thingy that says download threads from 5 to 10 :D stuff |
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Harleigh
Genbuku. Nulli Secunda
3
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:09:00 -
[94] - Quote
Tetris....
Any good launcher needs Tetris to help pass the time while watching a progress bar ;)
Other then that , awesome work. See what happens when you guys don't waste time building space barbies ? :)
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
6
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:09:00 -
[95] - Quote
Do not like.
Feels too world-of-tanky.
I am a big fan of the current way I enter New Eden (and it isn't by hitting a big button that says 'PLAY'.)
This is not an improvement (unless it is either optional or only pops up when there is an update.) "The idea here is to keep it as simple as possible." That's what I have already (if you can make it simpler, great.) |
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:10:00 -
[96] - Quote
What effect will this have on the speed in which patches come out? Will this allow for more patches to be produced in less time? Right now we get 2 expansions a year and patches to fix those. Will this allow us to see 'balancing patches' or 'small content patches'? I Support the Goons! |
Malkav Rushnikov
The Order of the Oar
1
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:10:00 -
[97] - Quote
Frankly, I don't like launchers for other games and I don't like that EVE is following the trend. When I click the icon to play a game, I don't want to press another button to confirm that I do in fact want to play the game. Fortunately, I am a Mac user so it doesn't affect me. So I'm still happy. |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce
48
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:13:00 -
[98] - Quote
Is it working on sisi now? People are talking about it like it is but Sisi launcher is not updating.
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ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
41
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:16:00 -
[99] - Quote
is there an "Add" free version we can purchase for 1000 AUR????? |
Arth Lawing
Penumbra Institute Inver Brass
2
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:17:00 -
[100] - Quote
Raid'En wrote:CCP Mandrake wrote:
The launcher will not interfere with your settings. By having two clients in two separate folders you will have two different launchers as well, each starting eve up with that specific client settings as usual.
you realize it wil be a pain for us to have all these things launch, while we only need one patcher ? i often launch all clients at the same time, and i really don't want tons of launchers poping at the same time for no reason. CCP Mandrake wrote: I had been thinking of adding an option to the launcher settings that when set, the launcher window would not pop up unless there was an update. I decided against it at this stage as once set, it would lock you out of the launcher and always start eve directly until next time there is an update. But seeing as how many players are asking about this, i don't see why i shouldn't add this feature.
given you're strongly copying how wow launcher works, don't forget it as also a checkbox on the options to let the launcher always appear, or only when there's a new patch. give us the same checkbox please.
This sounds like sense. No patches, no launchers. And definitely no half a dozen launchers popping up for half a dozen clients. |
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CCP Cascade
17
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:18:00 -
[101] - Quote
Salpun wrote:Is it working on sisi now? People are talking about it like it is but Sisi launcher is not updating.
It is currently on Singularity. Update your client and you will find it in the EVE folder. Try it out and let us know what you think of it and if you can come up with ways to make it more useful! Associate Technical Producer - Core Technology Group |
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Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:18:00 -
[102] - Quote
Nelix Trist wrote::( does this mean we lose our splash screen after 8 years of it being with us?
Please let this remain |
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CCP Mandrake
C C P C C P Alliance
8
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:19:00 -
[103] - Quote
Mr LaForge wrote:What effect will this have on the speed in which patches come out? Will this allow for more patches to be produced in less time? Right now we get 2 expansions a year and patches to fix those. Will this allow us to see 'balancing patches' or 'small content patches'?
This is exactly what we are aiming to improve on, we wish to be able to roll out eve updates more frequently. These would be small updates that take very little time to run but can be used to fix bugs in the game. Having the launcher in place makes this an easier thing to accomplish. stuff |
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
50
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:21:00 -
[104] - Quote
Hmm, upgrading core functionality.
Wasn't that called 'Carbon', or is that a bad word nowadays ;)
But even if it is, I for one enjoy our new Carbon Overlords who update old rotten code with minimal impact on gameplay right now.
Because it allows for great bling later on, most likely stolen by bling Devs ;)
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
163
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:25:00 -
[105] - Quote
Cool |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1298
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:28:00 -
[106] - Quote
GǪsoooo. Manual patching? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce
48
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:32:00 -
[107] - Quote
CCP Cascade wrote:Salpun wrote:Is it working on sisi now? People are talking about it like it is but Sisi launcher is not updating. It is currently on Singularity. Update your client and you will find it in the EVE folder. Try it out and let us know what you think of it and if you can come up with ways to make it more useful!
Sisi currently works for me. Using the sisi launcher forcing a repair did not add the new functionality. Did the Win7 64bit files not get updated?
The new files are there and a launcher exe that is 458 KB is size is in the folder but does not run anything when clicked on. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate Not Usually Killing Everyone.
161
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:32:00 -
[108] - Quote
I say that to solve a lot of the issues people are having in this thread you guys should do the following:
-Client management: 1, 2,3....,n, And Sisi and Deucy -Streamlining of login and character select: since the news will be on character selected AND the launcher maybe remove it from the character select and clean things a bit. Move the account login to the launcher (with the ability to have as many fields as there are clients) and put character select over on top of the current login screen with 3D animation. The new character select screen can be built in a minimalist manner that compliments the animated background without them killing each other too much. -Allow for download of the patch and export/import of patch data so that offline installation can be done once one comp has downloaded it it can be transferred to all the others to do an offline install without multiple downloads.
This will not only make multi boxing an officially supported "feature" but also make it easier for everyone to do. Like many have stated integrating SiSi into this launcher can also help greatly increase SiSi test participation (maybe have the SiSi button all blinky when a test is going on that week). The redesign of the login and character select screen should remove the need for extra clicks by instead of making the launcher an extra step, being integrated as an existing step without destroying the experience of the 3D animated login screen we have today. Making login launcher-side and character select client-side can also be a push towards switching characters without client restarts.
To maximize player information retention and to make sure they read it make the headlines MASSIVE with the summaries very short and minimized. The titles both in size and wording need to get people's attention. Separate EVE News, devblogs, and the RP news so that players can get exactly what they want too without being cluttered up by news they arent interested in. Not many hardcore 0.0 players care what latest controversy Quafe is caught up in or whatever. But the section should still be included for the sake of the RP bunnies.
And while I'm talking about RP, making the RP news open up into a faked news website that looks a lot like nytimes.com but designed by The Scope or Amarr Certified News with Quafe ads and stuff would be awesome for the immersion of a RPer. I LOVED the feel of the Quantum Rise trailer. The beginning had me feeling like i was watching the EVE version of CNBC. The Drake is a Lie |
Mohr Cowbell
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
138
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:39:00 -
[109] - Quote
Salpun wrote:
Sisi currently works for me. Using the sisi launcher forcing a repair did not add the new functionality. Did the Win7 64bit files not get updated?
The new files are there and a launcher exe that is 458 KB is size is in the folder but does not run anything when clicked on.
Same issue here on Win7-64. When I run the launcher, I can see the process appear in task manager for about a second, then it goes away. I also tried right-clicking the shortcut and selecting Run as Administrator.
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CCP Mandrake
C C P C C P Alliance
8
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:46:00 -
[110] - Quote
Mohr Cowbell wrote:Salpun wrote:
Sisi currently works for me. Using the sisi launcher forcing a repair did not add the new functionality. Did the Win7 64bit files not get updated?
The new files are there and a launcher exe that is 458 KB is size is in the folder but does not run anything when clicked on.
Same issue here on Win7-64. When I run the launcher, I can see the process appear in task manager for about a second, then it goes away. I also tried right-clicking the shortcut and selecting Run as Administrator.
bummer, i will have to improve the logging so we can at least find out what is going wrong when this happens. stuff |
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Yvan Ratamnim
Phoenix Evolved Part Duo
45
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:51:00 -
[111] - Quote
Nicely done, its a good addition, but honestly this isn't what i was hoping for...
Why oh WHY isn't there a tab on the top where you click to select SISI, and it will auto generate a SISI build under your TQ folder, and use with that tab it will be the SISI launcher, TADA you just made it EXTREMELY easy for people to test out SISI Builds! |
Komen
Capital Enrichment Services
29
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:52:00 -
[112] - Quote
I would say 'no' but I think I'm outvoted.
I am not for this, except for the part where you say this means it simplifies the task of releasing patches.
For that, I say 'yes'. The rest of the gaudy clutter can kindly go jump into a car crusher. |
Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
104
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:52:00 -
[113] - Quote
when i checked mine (vista 32), the launcher updated itself during a few second, and then i relaunched it and it worked.
i suppose the 64 bits update is missing; which explain why those can't use it |
mkint
315
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:53:00 -
[114] - Quote
CCP Mandrake wrote:Miliam Brinalle wrote:Will there be an option to automatically skip it when there are not updates ? Will it slowdown the startup process ? The last thing I want is more wait and more pointless clicks to launch the game.
Also, will it be as ridiculously slow as SiSi launcher is when there is something to update ? ie. the long "calculating new patch" or "initializing" or whatever it is that it does. Hell, I remember checking it not long ago while it was stuck in "initializing" forever and it was stuck making hundreds of requests to an HTTP server. I seriously hope that it has improved since then. I had been thinking of adding an option to the launcher settings that when set, the launcher window would not pop up unless there was an update. I decided against it at this stage as once set, it would lock you out of the launcher and always start eve directly until next time there is an update. But seeing as how many players are asking about this, i don't see why i shouldn't add this feature. The launcher uses the same update mechanism as the repair tool, sisi launcher and the generic patches with some minor improvements. The issue of the update mechanism making hundreds of http requests has been fixed though, so if this still happens, please let us know. Yeah, I'm not liking the idea of having *one-more-step*. I mean, if it were combined with the login screen and the "downloading bulk data" progress bars, it might suck less. To me it just seems like we're being forced to run repair.exe every single time we want to load the client. If I wanted to run repair.exe all the time, I would. It's going to suck, especially for crashes/dc's (both of which EVE handles exceptionally poorly.) I mean, sometimes I can DC, close the client, and then reconnect before the server even realizes I'm gone. Goodbye to that forever.
How about a compromise for it? When eve.exe loads (as opposed to exe_file.exe) make the very first thing it does is to check an API/patching server for build numbers and compare it to the client. Don't run launcher.exe unless something's broken. Or give us the option to ignore long-assed-load-time.exe and just run eve.exe. |
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CCP Topknot
C C P C C P Alliance
28
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:53:00 -
[115] - Quote
Tippia wrote:GǪsoooo. Manual patching? Question back: What is it that you like about the manual patchers? We would really like to get rid of manual patchers eventually because it would simplify our build process a lot and like Mandrake said, give us a better environment to push out smaller updates. But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers. |
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Nonnori Ikkala
Love for You Forsaken.Empire
5
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:55:00 -
[116] - Quote
Quote:Give you access to the game settings, so you could for instance set the graphics settings before starting the game. This is the most useful to me. Particular suggestion: when multiple monitors are connected, allow before launch the choice of monitor and resolution and fullscreen/windowed. Since I use my laptop both stand alone and connected to an external monitor, switching those after the client defaults to the last (incorrect) resolution is a frequent and annoying occurrence. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1299
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:57:00 -
[117] - Quote
CCP Topknot wrote:Question back: What is it that you like about the manual patchers? The ability to download the patch once, distribute it over the network and patch five installs on four machines (one via VM) in parallel. It's not really a matter of bandwidth or download cap for me, although others have expressed that as one major advantage, but one of getting the whole thing done in (basically) one fell swoop. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Sarmatiko
163
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:58:00 -
[118] - Quote
Tippia wrote:GǪsoooo. Manual patching? Probably this will stay but with new naming rule: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/XXXXXX/evepremiumpatchXXXXXX.exe Where XXXXXX is build number. I think this means that only CurrentTQbuild-to-Nextbuild patches will stay. No more XXXXXX to YYYYYY patches?
edit: tried this and it doesn't look like something you need |
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CCP Cascade
17
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Posted - 2011.11.09 17:59:00 -
[119] - Quote
Komen wrote:I would say 'no' but I think I'm outvoted.
I am not for this, except for the part where you say this means it simplifies the task of releasing patches.
For that, I say 'yes'. The rest of the gaudy clutter can kindly go jump into a car crusher.
What you are seeing is far from anything final. Can you elaborate a bit rather than saying no? Can you look at it the other way around and ask yourself: "What would I like to see in this window?"
What feature would improve things for you?
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
50
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:00:00 -
[120] - Quote
CCP Topknot wrote:But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers.
Really!?
Who are you guys, and where have you been hiding?
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce
48
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:04:00 -
[121] - Quote
As long as we get a list of the missing blocks that are being replaced so we can keep a eye on what is being changed. |
Faith Sunstrider
Manufact Co.
1
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:05:00 -
[122] - Quote
CCP Topknot wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪsoooo. Manual patching? Question back: What is it that you like about the manual patchers? We would really like to get rid of manual patchers eventually because it would simplify our build process a lot and like Mandrake said, give us a better environment to push out smaller updates. But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers.
I personally hate manual patchers. But they're useful at least for me. My bandwidth is quite slow at home, but I can download patches (specially the big ones) at work and put'em in a thumb drive to patch my home client. Patching clients in different computers (I have more three computers at my place) is easier and less bandwidth intensive as well. |
mkint
315
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:11:00 -
[123] - Quote
CCP Cascade wrote:Komen wrote:I would say 'no' but I think I'm outvoted.
I am not for this, except for the part where you say this means it simplifies the task of releasing patches.
For that, I say 'yes'. The rest of the gaudy clutter can kindly go jump into a car crusher. What you are seeing is far from anything final. Can you elaborate a bit rather than saying no? Can you look at it the other way around and ask yourself: "What would I like to see in this window?" What feature would improve things for you? launcher.exe is useful for 2 things:
1) patch day 2) patch fails
In 4 years of playing 2 has never happened for me. And 1 happens on average of every couple months, unless someone screws up.
So, please explain why you want to check for a failed patch EVERY SINGLE TIME we load the client?
This whole things smells of devs who don't play EVE. |
Akira Zendragon
EVE University Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:11:00 -
[124] - Quote
+1 on the laucher and the reasoning behind it.
-1 for yet another missing feature on the Mac client.
Also:
Crunchmeister wrote:Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I find your lack of Macintosh support "disturbing". But then, Windows users always need extra hand-holding. Odd. Most Windows users consider Apple products to be geared to the technologically challenged who need training wheels and a hand-holding.
Most Windows users have not actually used a Mac (or have a masochistic tendency to like working for their PCs rather than the other way around... but maybe that's just me) |
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CCP Cascade
17
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:14:00 -
[125] - Quote
Lors Dornick wrote:CCP Topknot wrote:But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers. Really!? Who are you guys, and where have you been hiding?
Hi Lors Dornick,
Since we're making a new system for updating, installing and repairing your client, it is important that we get to the bottom of what benefits people see in the current tools that are out there. We all know that people use them differently and see different benefits and drawbacks for them and the question was more to get to the core of the concern rather than guessing. Guessing does not fit in well in a two way communication.
The specific concern Tippia raised, has been raised in several replies in this thread and is something we will take a look at together as a team. Associate Technical Producer - Core Technology Group |
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Crasniya
Dragon's Legion of New Eden
13
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:16:00 -
[126] - Quote
Looks almost identical to the World of Warcraft launcher. :) |
oogs
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:20:00 -
[127] - Quote
Cascade, how will the launcher handle multiboxing? |
Spanking Monkeys
ZC Industries
7
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:21:00 -
[128] - Quote
i currently run 7 seperate installs of eve.
will this patch all 7 with one download? if not why not?
will i only see this on patch days? if not why not(mostly cos it will drive me fing mental with 7 clients logging in and out getting to different toons)?
please for the love of god tell me when i boot up each client i will not see this same thing 7 times?
edit. if i have to see this thing everytime i open a client, there will be an option to turn it off right? |
Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
104
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:23:00 -
[129] - Quote
CCP Cascade wrote: What you are seeing is far from anything final. Can you elaborate a bit rather than saying no? Can you look at it the other way around and ask yourself: "What would I like to see in this window?"
What feature would improve things for you?
for me a good launcher is a launcher you don't see ; it does it jobs when needed, and we don't see he exists the others times.
if you want us to see it, then, something that i would like is different saved settings that you can select while launching the patcher ;
for example you create a high quality setting for solo / small gangs and a low quality one for big fleets / multiboxing and on the patcher you can switch in a second between these and run "play"
after the functionnality depend on how often you want us to have this thing open. if you consider it as something that may run everytime minimized, add some useful things like skill / ingame mail / fitting functions, but i don't think you want to go that far.
and for sure i DON'T want what i see on the current launcher ; manage you account yes, but plex and buddy invite... NO. that's only for advertising. that's what a free to play launcher wil do, and eve is not. |
Sarmatiko
163
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:25:00 -
[130] - Quote
Crasniya wrote:Looks almost identical to the World of Warcraft launcher. :) Guild Wars did it in 2003. Another feature inven.. stolen by Lizzard.
By the way I dont see any similarities at all. In WOW you still download massive patches in background, not just small delta like in EVE. |
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DaDutchDude
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:27:00 -
[131] - Quote
Hmmmmm ..... launcher.exe does not seem to be running for me.
I'm running XP, my XP user is also system admin, and used SisiLauncher.exe to patch test client to latest version. Standard client is on my C: drive, Sisi client is on my F: drive. The Sisi client works fine. When I started launcher.exe for the first time, it showed a "downloading new [something, might be version, but it was pretty fast]" with a progress bar that sprinted from 0 to 100%, after which nothing happened. Starting launcher.exe since results in absolutely nothing happening. Computer has been rebooted, recent version of all drivers and all XP patches installed. They say that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I always have the best intentions for others ... |
Nu Ewodu
Eretar Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:29:00 -
[132] - Quote
Why are devs allways so hush hush about where they got their ideas from / act like they invented something new that has already been done before (like a hundred times) and can't refer to other games?
Don't get me wrong. This is good. |
Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Narwhals Ate My Duck
11
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:30:00 -
[133] - Quote
this launcher seems to confirm rumors that there are in fact people running just a single account
its annoying. why cant it open multiple clients? now instead of starting eve twice, i have to start the launcher twice and start eve twice from a launcher. (or three times, or four times, depending on plex prices) |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
72
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:33:00 -
[134] - Quote
Nice, this is the same as world of tanks. Anastasia -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á Dominique-á-á Mashie -á-á Monica |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
83
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:45:00 -
[135] - Quote
Dont most MMO's have launchers now a days? Seems standard practice...
Like the design by the way, looks great! |
Ender Sai
Foetus Mart
12
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:51:00 -
[136] - Quote
This effort fills me with joy, as does all the other possible goodies you're tacking on (multi-stage downloads, watching when patches come out etc etc.)
But really my concern here is this, the launcher you show in the devblog, while visually appealing, looks somewhat generic. You know? Like I thought "wow" but for two reasons instead of one, if you catch my drift.
I note that very careful attention has been paid to how the art in New Eden reflects a "vibe" and I would really appreciate it if this is kept for the new launcher. This is a tall order and I understand if you want to go for the whole "modern web page type launcher interface" which has become quite popular.
The current EVE launcher (assuming I'm not missing the plot completely) is kind of awesome, seeing a Mauler loom into the screen just screams "This is a game about spaceships, and it's not all friendly". Although if I did miss the plot my opinion still stands.
Oh well. Keep up the good words. Erm. And work. |
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
2
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:53:00 -
[137] - Quote
Raid'En wrote:remove the monocle on the screens :P
hum were is the devblog/news rss ? same for gaphical options, not visible on current build
No. Keep them. Monocles are a reminder of separating New Eden ISK from Icelandic ISK. No one in his right mind would spend 60$ on a game monocle, but spending a 1.2 billion of micky mouse money sounds about right! New forum, still no automatic double post merge. CCP Excellence.-á . Playing the game of life means to pvp. Get used to it or become extinct. |
Solo Player
62
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:54:00 -
[138] - Quote
Several people have asked this, but busily answering devs must have missed it:
Will the new launcher eventually be able to manage both TQ and Sisi (as well as that third one) clients? It's the only thing that ever bothered me about the old system. |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
139
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:55:00 -
[139] - Quote
currently we get the option when patching to not clean up data until we have patched all installs. been told this saves downloading the patch over and over. will we get the same option or will this launcher clean up data automaticly?
please can we get the option to turn this off when it isnt patching, really dont need to see an autopatcher when its not patching imo
CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
121
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Posted - 2011.11.09 18:58:00 -
[140] - Quote
Am I the only one who doesn't really see the point of games with separate launchers?
I double-click an icon on my desktop to play EVE. But instead of EVE I get a window asking me whether I really want to play EVE. I just clicked the button to start it twice, why do I need to click on yet another thing?
Yes I see the point in downloading patches and stuff, but the current client does it just fine - and how often is there a new patch really?
Here's hoping that I will still be able to run EVE simply through the eve.exe file. |
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Rhea Astraeos
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:05:00 -
[141] - Quote
Looks nice, but I would get rid of the windows window surrounding the launcher. It's ugly imo and doesn't fit with the rest of the launcher.
Also, I think an EVEgate intergration would be nice. So that you login to EVE Gate in the launcher with all it's functionality. And when ingame you ramain logged in! (into EVE Gate Ingame browser) |
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
2
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:06:00 -
[142] - Quote
Raid'En wrote:CCP Cascade wrote: What you are seeing is far from anything final. Can you elaborate a bit rather than saying no? Can you look at it the other way around and ask yourself: "What would I like to see in this window?"
What feature would improve things for you?
for me a good launcher is a launcher you don't see ; it does it jobs when needed, and we don't see he exists the others times. if you want us to see it, then, something that i would like is different saved settings that you can select while launching the patcher ; for example you create a high quality setting for solo / small gangs and a low quality one for big fleets / multiboxing and on the patcher you can switch in a second between these and run "play" after the functionnality depend on how often you want us to have this thing open. if you consider it as something that may run everytime minimized, add some useful things like skill / ingame mail / fitting functions, but i don't think you want to go that far. and for sure i DON'T want what i see on the current launcher ; manage you account yes, but plex and buddy invite... NO. that's only for advertising. that's what a free to play launcher wil do, and eve is not.
I would grant them their adds in a launcher, that is ok AND convenient IF I actually want to use on of these features. But in this case eve gate and forum should be added as well as launch option.
Different Settings is a good point, actually I would add different accounts into this. I want ONE launcher for Singularity, and Tranquility. And I want to start as much instances of clients as I want from this single launcher.
I want to choose furthermore which Characters I want to log in, and which what preset of configuration I start this, and while you are at it, the launcher could offer a status of all running clients: "Character, Location, docked or in space", maybe add even a mini preview of what is running in this client.
Password Saving for Multiple Accounts would be nice too (decent encrypted for sure), and beeing able to restart a client with a different character via launcher sounds good too. Oh and iirc eve login is right now not encrypted, so adding here a bit security for people which play on open networks would be nice.
Ok, enough of wet dreams, looks good so far. You could again integrate that sisi launcher into the tranquilly launcher at least and give us a look at our eve gate page, because there is a lot of space right now, used for advertisement right now.
New forum, still no automatic double post merge. CCP Excellence.-á . Playing the game of life means to pvp. Get used to it or become extinct. |
Princess Cellestia
Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore
88
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:08:00 -
[143] - Quote
Basically the guys running one or two install of EVE wont have much of an issue. Those of us who run 6 8 or like a guy in my corp 16 different clients in different folders will have issues without manual patching, since this will mean opening up one client, waiting for the patch to finish, then the second, then the 3rd and so on. Manual lets us download it once and then just keep replacing directories for the install location. And I can imagine how much easier manual installation is for those who have multiple machines. Now if the installer gave an option to install to patch multiple installs simultaneously somehow that would be amazing. |
Gripen
132
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:12:00 -
[144] - Quote
I would prefer manual patching to stay but if it's inevitable please could we have a setting for temporary folder selection because changing TEMP variable every time to apply patch is a pita. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
154
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:12:00 -
[145] - Quote
CCP I want it NAO !!
Nice improvement for you and all the silly players, not me of course because I'm always better than them than you or everyone else, mkay? |
Peter Drakon
Independent Traders and Builders MPA
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:13:00 -
[146] - Quote
Lors Dornick wrote:CCP Topknot wrote:But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers. Really!? Who are you guys, and where have you been hiding?
Actualy, they are way behind the industry "standard" already! These kind of things: online patching, using a launcher is a common thing now for years in the software industry, even in those games that are not online! And these things are common for a good many reasons. So where have been you hiding?
They have asked your opinion on this matter, very nice, so be polite and helpful, and spend some time answering them your own reasons for the manual patches, and why you need them. |
Crunchmeister
THORN Syndicate BricK sQuAD.
87
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:13:00 -
[147] - Quote
Rhea Astraeos wrote:Also, I think an EVEgate intergration would be nice. So that you login to EVE Gate in the launcher with all it's functionality. And when ingame you ramain logged in! (into EVE Gate Ingame browser)
The question is, do people actually use Spacebook other than checking their in-game mail when they're unable to log into the game? |
SuperSpy00bob
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:20:00 -
[148] - Quote
The only thing that bothers me about launcher programs is it adds yet another step to launching eve, something I tend to do several dozen times a day, normally swapping alts residing on 1 account (where is my 'return to character selection' button!?).
Hopefully there is in fact a hide or skip button so it doesn't make it take even more time to switch characters.
If it makes it easier to design or deploy patches then I'm all for it, but I worry it will end up being a waste of time/clicks 99% of the time (normal use) and helpful 1% of the time (patch day). |
Blue Harrier
15
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:20:00 -
[149] - Quote
CCP Topknot wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪsoooo. Manual patching? Question back: What is it that you like about the manual patchers? We would really like to get rid of manual patchers eventually because it would simplify our build process a lot and like Mandrake said, give us a better environment to push out smaller updates. But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers. As you asked here is my thoughts on manual patching;
I said earlier in the thread as of now I simply download one patch/expansion put it on a flash drive (or copy it over our network depending on if the computer that downloaded it is online).
Then simply go to each machine and update the client as required. With our limited bandwidth and download speed this is by far the easiest option with more than one client to update (I also do this for SiSi by the way if the patch is over 250 Mb).
So either the launcher will have to provide a way of importing the already downloaded data from another launcher, either via the network or a flash drive or we still have a manual patch we can download.
If our local exchange is busy and contention has kicked in the only option then is to download early in the morning and I canGÇÖt see anyone staying up all night just to download the patch for 5 computers. We currently use a download manager to do this and shut down the pc while we are asleep.
You have to remember not everyone has an uber 100 Megabyte fibre to the home, unlimited bandwidth connection, some of us still live in the real world with bits of string to connect us .
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Vegare
Das zweite Konglomerat The Initiative.
8
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:20:00 -
[150] - Quote
would be cool to be able to log in using the launcher interface, too.
If this was possible the players attention would be required once less in order to get into game.
log in and start game through launcher (wait)-> choose character (wait)-> play instead of: start game through launcher (wait)-> log in (wait)-> choose character (wait)-> play
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DeoVan Seng
Ore Hogz Rolling Thunder.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:22:00 -
[151] - Quote
I'm sorry, but I'm not convinced of the product presented in the devblog.
Why? 1) Most of the time, it will be one more click ... launch the launcher, then press "Play" ... then login ... 2) How will it handle multiple clients? 3) How will it support mac clients? 4) How will it handle multiple mac clients?
Obviously you have some other things on your mind to improve the launching experience. An easy (for my point of view, but I might be wrong) improvement would be to include a to switch characters, e.g. instead of having to restart the client just let us get back to the character selection screen. You showed us that it's possible (hint: evegate), that would be a very welcome feature. Talking about that ... how is restarting the client working together with the launcher? will we have to press "Play" again?
As said, I'm not buying the launcher tool now. |
DaDutchDude
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:26:00 -
[152] - Quote
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against supporting patching multiple installs of the EVE client, and supporting it for 3 will probably be just as easy as supporting it for 30. However, some of these requests sound like the botting community is asking for CCP to support patching all their bot clients in one go, and I'd rather have CCP fight botting instead of making life easier for people who run bots. They say that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I always have the best intentions for others ... |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
134
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:28:00 -
[153] - Quote
You want to force a mandatory advertising platform in before any actual login step?
Or is the login fields replaced by the progress bar and thus erroneously giving me the impression that you are embracing your inner uber-evil?
If the former, then burn in hell .. if the latter, easier/more reliable patching is good so thumbs up. |
Miraqu
Marquie-X Corp
11
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:30:00 -
[154] - Quote
Will it still be possible to execute eve.exe directly?
Or do we always have to use the launcher to start? |
Peter Drakon
Independent Traders and Builders MPA
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:31:00 -
[155] - Quote
Hi!
Since the things I'd like to see in the launcher have already been asked, I just summerise them up:
- Be able to log in directly from the launcher. (Either to the character selection screen, or directly into the game with the main character.)
- Be able to start the client multiple times. (Some asked for multiple copied clients too, though not sure if thats possible.)
- Be able to launch the test or the live client.
Many have more then one account, and it seems, many have more copies of the game. Please consider these things.
Thank you! |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
139
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:32:00 -
[156] - Quote
DaDutchDude wrote:Don't get me wrong, I'm not against supporting patching multiple installs of the EVE client, and supporting it for 3 will probably be just as easy as supporting it for 30. However, some of these requests sound like the botting community is asking for CCP to support patching all their bot clients in one go, and I'd rather have CCP fight botting instead of making life easier for people who run bots.
im not a bot. and yes patching all my clients at once woudl be good.
but tbh at this point id take not seeing this thing every dam time i wnat to open a client.
auto patchers should only be seen when patching CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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Peter Drakon
Independent Traders and Builders MPA
2
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:37:00 -
[157] - Quote
Crunchmeister wrote:Rhea Astraeos wrote:Also, I think an EVEgate intergration would be nice. So that you login to EVE Gate in the launcher with all it's functionality. And when ingame you ramain logged in! (into EVE Gate Ingame browser) The question is, do people actually use Spacebook other than checking their in-game mail when they're unable to log into the game?
Yes, from work I can check my wealth, my skill que, and see my mails. Not much use for the posting things, but mybe thats just our small company.
EVE Gate integration would be good for the look and feel also, and mabye it would simplify the news and design stuff of the launcher? |
Internet Knight
The Kobayashi Maru RONA Directorate
7
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:43:00 -
[158] - Quote
In regards to the launcher:
I have two monitors and three accounts. I want one account ALWAYS on the LEFT screen in full-screen mode and the other two accounts ALWAYS on the right screen in windowed mode. As I'm sure you know, having multiple monitors can mean that you have multiple display "targets" for your graphics drivers. You *can* render on a display other than the one targetted, but it results in lower framerate. To save on installation space and merge chat log files (yes, I actually DO use those!) while still making sure that the graphics settings don't have to be reset every time I want to log in to another account, I have two shortcuts to EVE on my desktop. Actually, they're batch files.
One is simply labeled "EVE LEFT.BAT"
Quote:Set home=C:\EVE\Left Set USERPROFILE=%home% Set HOMEDRIVE=%home:~0,2%" Set HOMEPATH="%home:~2%" Start "EVE" /D"C:\Program Files (x86)\CCP\EVE" "C:\Program Files (x86)\CCP\EVE\eve.exe"
The other is simply labeled "EVE RIGHT.BAT"
Quote:Set home=C:\EVE\Right Set USERPROFILE=%home% Set HOMEDRIVE=%home:~0,2%" Set HOMEPATH="%home:~2%" Start "EVE" /D"C:\Program Files (x86)\CCP\EVE" "C:\Program Files (x86)\CCP\EVE\eve.exe"
In Windows 7, your graphics settings are pulled from %home%\appdata\local\ccp games\etc. Then, using some NTFS magic, I create a directory junction which points the Documents folder in each of those directories to my main user documents folder. Magically, the graphics settings are stored in C:\Left (or Right)\ while the chat logs (and all other end-user-useful game logs) are merged together in my documents folder. Also magically, it allows me to patch all of my clients all at once because they all share the same installation folder (well, except sisi and friends).
Convoluted, I'm sure. But it works well IMO.
I would very very very much like you to make sure that this new launcher does not break that. Or, if it does, make sure that you document another way of not making multiple-monitor multiple-account people angry.
On a side note, I would very much prefer to *not* see a "launcher" unless a *required* patch is available or an *optional* patch is available which I have not yet *declined*. If an optional patch is available which I have declined now and also declined to see in the future, then please don't show the launcher. Just take me to the login screen. |
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
2
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:48:00 -
[159] - Quote
Furthermore EVE Gate integration would make the whole eve gate more convienent to use. As you open the launcher anyway, check MULTIPLE Characters Mail/Market/Whatever and than log into your into your game and character(s) in a single step, instead of going from launcher to login screen to character selection to prison to ship to space.
Abstraction is a good think, but here you can easily overdoing it, especial when you add that most of your players are running multiple accounts. New forum, still no automatic double post merge. CCP Excellence.-á . Playing the game of life means to pvp. Get used to it or become extinct. |
ChaseTheLasers
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
17
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:48:00 -
[160] - Quote
CCP Topknot wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪsoooo. Manual patching? Question back: What is it that you like about the manual patchers? We would really like to get rid of manual patchers eventually because it would simplify our build process a lot and like Mandrake said, give us a better environment to push out smaller updates. But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers.
Hi
Me and the misses both have multiple Eve accounts, along with multiple computers and then house mates with them too. Each machine has Eve installed.
Some of the recent expansions have been reasonably big, which isn't an issue even on our low bandwidth connection due to being able to copy over the stand alone update patch to each machine and run it. Subsequent minor patches we don't bother with though, and just let the auto updater handle it.
I appreciate that we might not be the normal Eve user, but we have about 7 machines dotted about that have the game installed. That's a long download / patching process on a crappy speed connection, never-mind download limits from the ISP.
If you don't mind me asking, why do manual patchers complicate the build process? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it the Eve installation in program files/CCP/Eve is 'stand alone' in that it can be moved from machine to machine without issue (I've done it a few times). The userdata does not appear to be stored there, but in the sensible location of the users profile.
If this is the case, then the Eve directory can very easily have a patch differential file made for it using one of many methods. At work I do something similar (but on a much smaller scale ) by using PAR2 files. I have my application installed and just generate a load of PAR2 files for the directory. I check on an older installation of the software that there is enough parity blocks to make up the difference between the versions. Once done, I wrap this in a silent installer for network deployment. It's nice because for older versions you just generate more PAR2 files, up until the point where you can just do a full reinstall of the application if they get too many / large.
I know there will probably be better methods than PAR2 for this scale, but ultimately if Eve is stand alone then you only need to make a differential file across an older and a newer install? The actual generation of the installable EXE after this is the easy part in my experience.
I suppose the main issue is how to patch / update any userdata outside this directory. For example, if there are changes to an ini file. I don't know how this is currently handled: Is it by the patcher (if so, a problem), or by the main Eve client itself? If it's the latter then it's super easy and no additional work is needed, otherwise it would either need to be moved to the client, or a small standalone patcher perhaps?
Coming back to the issue though - I would only really not like to see the loss of 'large' manual patchers for expansions. For everything / most pushed updates after this, I wouldn't care and will use the auto patcher anyway. Copying a few meg file on a pendrive / across the network is rather pointless as the auto patching process is quicker.
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Azureus Syntake
Black Rabbit Trading
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:51:00 -
[161] - Quote
CCP Mandrake wrote:Mohr Cowbell wrote:Salpun wrote:
Sisi currently works for me. Using the sisi launcher forcing a repair did not add the new functionality. Did the Win7 64bit files not get updated?
The new files are there and a launcher exe that is 458 KB is size is in the folder but does not run anything when clicked on.
Same issue here on Win7-64. When I run the launcher, I can see the process appear in task manager for about a second, then it goes away. I also tried right-clicking the shortcut and selecting Run as Administrator. bummer, i will have to improve the logging so we can at least find out what is going wrong when this happens.
Same here. Using Win7-64. Read the eve launcher takes use of IE at the moment, maybe it's caused because I use IE9? Will wait for the next update .
I like the introduction of an eve launcher, especially the staged installing feature. |
Omega Tron
Amarr Mining Inc Technical Exploration Conglomerate of Hemera
3
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Posted - 2011.11.09 19:53:00 -
[162] - Quote
In general I like the idea of the launcher approach to use as a starting point. However, it does need to end once an instance of eve client starts up. That should then allow for the start of a 2nd client for those of us that run multiple accounts. I am looking forward to when you put it up on SISI so I can test it. Then the real feedback can start. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1302
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:00:00 -
[163] - Quote
ChaseTheLasers wrote:Coming back to the issue though - I would only really not like to see the loss of 'large' manual patchers for expansions. For everything / most pushed updates after this, I wouldn't care and will use the auto patcher anyway. Copying a few meg file on a pendrive / across the network is rather pointless as the auto patching process is quicker. Yeah, that's perhaps a better way to approach it: I don't really mind autopatching, but I would mind autoexpansions because at that point, having effectively 5 clients each download and install a multiple-hundreds (or even gig+ sized) expansions would just be a waste of time and bandwidth GÇö mine as well as yours. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Aethlyn
44
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:01:00 -
[164] - Quote
Started the launcher and it said it would update itself. Then, once the bar was filled, nothing. No more launcher.exe running.
I started it again, yet again, nothing happening anymore. This might be the same issue described by TheDutchDude.
So I got curious and launched the launcher with GDB to get the debug outputs (if there are any):
Quote:[New Thread 4220.0x1be0] warning: SXS: BasepCreateActCtx() NtOpenFile(\??\C:\Games\EVE Online (Singularity)\GÖª) failed
[New Thread 4220.0xdc4] [New Thread 4220.0x1ef8] [New Thread 4220.0x1c84] [New Thread 4220.0xde0] [Inferior 1 (process 4220) exited normally]
The non-ANSI characters are a bit confusing, but I guess those should show as some kind of quotes?
After repairing the launcher, it seems to run (no sure why; before I tried to launch it using a double click, now I launched it from the command prompt while still using the classic spaceless path name. Not sure if that's related or there's been a different issue.
Not directly related, but wanted to mention it anyway: repair.exe won't run properly when run from a directory with spaces in its name. E.g. run it within "C:\Games\Eve Online (Singularity)" and it will try to repair "C:\Games\Eve" instead. I had to use a command prompt and use the backwards compatibility name ("C:\Games\EveOnl~2") to use it.
Edit: I'm running Windows 7 x64 too.
Edit 2: The "Play" button is lacking feedback. I've seen there are different images in the launcher sub folder, but it's always the same blue/white color, no matter if the mouse is over it and/or I click it. Looking for more thoughts? Read my blog or follow me on Twitter. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
788
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:19:00 -
[165] - Quote
So will this mean you remove the offline installer or not?
Bc as much as I love your "innovative" ways - nothing (for me) beats the wonderful use of torrents - plus the fact that I got X number of clients to update on various places so the launcher is really not of any use to me in terms of patching...
/c
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Mad Shopper
Mad Industrys
2
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:24:00 -
[166] - Quote
CCP Mandrake wrote:oogs wrote:Same question as a few others - what about us multi-boxers? I run upwards of 4 instances, and I have clients configured per-video card*. Will this still be possible with the launcher?
*To clarify: I have 2 video cards, each card runs 2 displays. If I use the client configured to use GPU 1 (or 2) on the displays powered by GPU 3 (or 4), I get horrible FPS. So that I don't have to change settings all the time, I just have 2 copies of EVE on my system, one configured for each video card. The launcher will not interfere with your settings. By having two clients in two separate folders you will have two different launchers as well, each starting eve up with that specific client settings as usual.
On the same lines as this. With the current patcher I can DL the patch for the first client and tell it to save the files so I don't have to DL them again for the 2nd client. Does the new patcher still support this? I don't see a check box to keep the files.
Edit: 1st after C |
Rhea Astraeos
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:25:00 -
[167] - Quote
Crunchmeister wrote:Rhea Astraeos wrote:Also, I think an EVEgate intergration would be nice. So that you login to EVE Gate in the launcher with all it's functionality. And when ingame you ramain logged in! (into EVE Gate Ingame browser) The question is, do people actually use Spacebook other than checking their in-game mail when they're unable to log into the game?
I actually prefer the EVE Gate mail vs the ingame mail, it's alot more user friendly imo. And besides, you now use EVE Gate for forum posting too. So personally I think it would be nice.
It's not really a big deal tbh, but I think it would be nice that when you login to the game you're also logged into EVE Gate. |
Untelo1
APEX ARDENT COALITION NEM3SIS.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:28:00 -
[168] - Quote
Hey thats cool. If it works as intended that is.
I run two clients and i have a separate installation for each to keep settings, cache etc apart. Will i still be able to do this?
Also when starting Eve, do i have to go through the launcher, or can i still start it up like before? |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
5
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:30:00 -
[169] - Quote
Azureus Syntake wrote:CCP Mandrake wrote:Mohr Cowbell wrote:Salpun wrote:
Sisi currently works for me. Using the sisi launcher forcing a repair did not add the new functionality. Did the Win7 64bit files not get updated?
The new files are there and a launcher exe that is 458 KB is size is in the folder but does not run anything when clicked on.
Same issue here on Win7-64. When I run the launcher, I can see the process appear in task manager for about a second, then it goes away. I also tried right-clicking the shortcut and selecting Run as Administrator. bummer, i will have to improve the logging so we can at least find out what is going wrong when this happens. Same here. Using Win7-64. Read the eve launcher takes use of IE at the moment, maybe it's caused because I use IE9? Will wait for the next update .
Ditto. WinXP 32 bit. (IE 8.0.6 if it makes any difference). Exact same symptoms mr. Cowbell describes. Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Laboratories Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
Raneru
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
8
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:36:00 -
[170] - Quote
On a launcher related note: What happened to the introduction of digipass keyfob VPN thingies to log into Eve? I still have mine from fanfest patiently sitting under my monitor. |
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FzZZy
Terran Legacy
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:36:00 -
[171] - Quote
In the next iteration of the launcher you could merge it with Eve Gate. That will increase the use of eve gate and a more solid solution. Then you could have a configuration on each account or even on each character. So when you launch the eve you are already logedin and the settings is for that character.
The configuration should be built up so you have a main configuration and first accounts have thier changes (Which screen eve should be displayd on) and secondly the character have changes to the two above configurations.
(Look at Battle field 3 battle log: Far from perfect but in the right direction)
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
749
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:37:00 -
[172] - Quote
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:CCP Mandrake wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:So it looks like Launcher using Internet Explorer engine installed in system. I wonder why not to use Awesomium instead, its already in Eve client and standalone. If launcher supposed to be next "Initial installer", then you can always include awesomium.dll with launcher package, right? IE give me creeps each time I think about it. Also obviously IE context menu should be disabled. We are working on putting awesomium into the launcher, IE is just a temporary placeholder. Then next devblog please place a 'WIP" disclaimer on the image (I didn't notice one), as well as in the CCP video just posted. You guys make alot of emo nerd rage when you don't specify WIP as opposed to insinuating a final design
That's my end of the stick.
Point taken. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
273
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Posted - 2011.11.09 21:05:00 -
[173] - Quote
Quote:In fact, the SisiLauncher is the technological, emotional, spiritual and conceptual predecessor to the Eve Launcher (Sorry, IGÇÖm trying to get my word count up. AlsoGǪ plethora. IGÇÖve always loved that word. Rambunctious, too. Decadent is another good one. Delicacy isnGÇÖt bad either). (editorGÇÖs note: loquacious is also a word)
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Falrec
Epsilon Lyr Ares Protectiva
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 21:22:00 -
[174] - Quote
CCP Topknot wrote:To try the launcher now, please update your Singularity client to the latest version either by patching it, running the SisiLauncher or just getting the full EVE installer for it from here. You should then see the file launcher.exe in your client folder. Just run that to enjoy the goodness of the launcher.
The launcher don't work here... |
Kern Hotha
9
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Posted - 2011.11.09 21:26:00 -
[175] - Quote
Is this supposed to be working on Sisi now? Launcher.exe shows up briefly in process explorer but then closes and nothing else happens. |
Bloph
Lamarr Industries Rock Ridge Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 21:34:00 -
[176] - Quote
Falrec wrote:CCP Topknot wrote:To try the launcher now, please update your Singularity client to the latest version either by patching it, running the SisiLauncher or just getting the full EVE installer for it from here. You should then see the file launcher.exe in your client folder. Just run that to enjoy the goodness of the launcher. The launcher don't work here...
Broken is the word I'd use...
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s1n1ster m1n1ster
Beyond Divinity Inc
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 21:42:00 -
[177] - Quote
CCP Mandrake wrote:oogs wrote:Same question as a few others - what about us multi-boxers? I run upwards of 4 instances, and I have clients configured per-video card*. Will this still be possible with the launcher?
*To clarify: I have 2 video cards, each card runs 2 displays. If I use the client configured to use GPU 1 (or 2) on the displays powered by GPU 3 (or 4), I get horrible FPS. So that I don't have to change settings all the time, I just have 2 copies of EVE on my system, one configured for each video card. The launcher will not interfere with your settings. By having two clients in two separate folders you will have two different launchers as well, each starting eve up with that specific client settings as usual.
what about junctions? guess works the same..? |
Token Prophets
Experiment 629
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 21:48:00 -
[178] - Quote
CCP Topknot wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪsoooo. Manual patching? Question back: What is it that you like about the manual patchers? We would really like to get rid of manual patchers eventually because it would simplify our build process a lot and like Mandrake said, give us a better environment to push out smaller updates. But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers.
Manual patching is still required for multi PC/client updating and Linux users.
A couple of players I know have very poor internet connections with low data allocations, they download the patch file elsewhere (friends, Library, etc) and return to their home and patch the game. |
Namyri'el
T.O.R. Absolute Damage Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 21:52:00 -
[179] - Quote
So..... mac support? Come on, guys... before we get into enhancing artificial aspects of the client, how about we get everything working right for everyone? The mac client is still buggy, crashes, and unnecessarily slow.... more people buy macs at this point than any other computer brand, so I really think it's in your best interest to at least give us equal support on the most basic of levels.... |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
75
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Posted - 2011.11.09 21:56:00 -
[180] - Quote
"Clear Cache" button.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
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Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
66
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Posted - 2011.11.09 22:11:00 -
[181] - Quote
Updated the SiSi client, clicked on launcher.exe to test it......nothing. It stays in the process list for about a second and then quits again. I have searched for an error log or something similar, but could not find one. I even tried logserver, to no avail....
Please provide me with information as on what I have to do to let YOU know what goes wrong, then I will do so.
WinXP Pro 32 bit, fully up to date. Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Inanna Zuni
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 22:13:00 -
[182] - Quote
**PLEASE** bear in mind that some of us using the Windows client actually have nothing to do with the MS operating system whatsoever but are actually using Linux / Wine. As such, while it is nice to see stuff for the MS-users out there don't presume that the direct-individual access to patches, etc. will ever go away. Patching for linux/wine users cannot be automated and anything which tries to do so without having a [stop] button will be doomed to failure*.
Inanna
(* and drive even more of us away) |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
139
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Posted - 2011.11.09 22:18:00 -
[183] - Quote
please can we get the option to turn this off when it isnt patching?
also can we get the same option as now not to clean up the instal data, so we can patch multiple clients from the same downloaded data, please CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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Levitikon
Constructive Influence Northern Associates.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 22:20:00 -
[184] - Quote
Lots of this post is written in all-caps, because it's friggin' important.
Ok. Every mmo on market has a launcher. so, nothing special here (funny fact - I considered EVE launcher-less design to be an next gen solution - no crappy extra app needed to run).
That said.
since you're implementing launcher, MAKE SURE TO LEVERAGE EVE'S ADVANTAGES and DO NOT WRITE CODE THAT WILL BE NEVER USED OR APPRECIATED BY 99,99% OF PLAYERBASE (aka. staging). In other words - PLEASE ADD BUILT-IN MULTI-ACCOUNT SUPPORT and preferably multi-character support. Why? Staging is pretty much useless (I know it sounds nice on paper), because there is a very small chance people will spend long enough in character creator to get EVE-proper downloaded and installed in the background. So, in the end, they will be stuck on waiting screen whether you waste precious coding resources or staging, or not. Chances that this feature will actually improve new player retention are pretty damn slim - mostly because waiting for EVE to install is not where churn happens - it's mostly at horrible, Win95 based (CCP words, not mine) user interface that users are subjected to after they log to game proper. So, if you want to improve player retention, this is where you should be focusing all your efforts.
Another obvious problem with staging, is that it will not be used by anyone who already has a character. I can estimate and bet 10B isk to you, that in month time, more than 99,99% player launcher interactions would not use staging.
Instead, focus on strengthening unique points of EVE, and that is: -extremely widespread multiboxing use (WHICH ALREADY GENERATES CRAZY ARPU, AND CAN BE FURTHER IMPROVED) -multicharacter use; no other game puts such emphasis on using alts, and alts are gateway drugs to true multiboxing
Instead of staging (another Incarna, coding resource allocation-wise), give us following features: 1. Ability to select account from launcher. 2. Ability to launch/stage multiple accounts at once. 3. Ability to chose which character to log in. 4. Mixture of the above. 4. Tabbed clients, in longer term (not as a brand new, multi-session capable client that will require full EVE rewrite, just as a way to manage multiple EVE client windows, new UI scaling framework you devblogged about recently will nicely into it)
Make it easy to multibox and encourage people to do so. It will make playerbase happy and will make you much more money than some than staging character creation ever could . |
Malrock
Mea Culpa Enigma
2
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Posted - 2011.11.09 22:49:00 -
[185] - Quote
someone has played wow for too much... launcher is pretty much a copy of WOW's launcher....
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Learath
Incendiary Industries
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 22:49:00 -
[186] - Quote
Just FYI, if you're dumb enough to try to do this it'll kill your tq and sisi clients for free. THANKS! |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
32
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:11:00 -
[187] - Quote
CCP Mandrake wrote:The launcher will not interfere with your settings. By having two clients in two separate folders you will have two different launchers as well, each starting eve up with that specific client settings as usual. So each client will still have his own settings folder in AppData, even if one of them is in a directory that is just a junction point pointing to the EVE folder containing the launcher?
Also, I'd like to remind you that I am still a fan of the "Clear cache after patching" checkbox or a "clear all cache" button on the launcher. I don't care much which, as long as I won't have to start and restart the client to clear the cache. So if I can do this by accessing settings via the launcher, that's fine too, although the first 2 options would be better IMO. |
M'nu
Autocannons Anonymous
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:11:00 -
[188] - Quote
Didnt bother to read the thread, but, what is that ship? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1326
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:14:00 -
[189] - Quote
M'nu wrote:Didnt bother to read the thread, but, what is that ship? Wyvern, with a Moros in the background. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
TheSmokingHertog
Black Hole INC
3
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:20:00 -
[190] - Quote
CCP Topknot wrote:Akara Ito wrote:Please add an option to set a maximum download speed This is already in there.
Good, thats needed over here. |
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M'nu
Autocannons Anonymous
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:22:00 -
[191] - Quote
Tippia wrote:M'nu wrote:Didnt bother to read the thread, but, what is that ship? Wyvern, with a Moros in the background.
No, the one in the box on the right hand side, in the devblog.
Looks like a Merlin and a Slasher had sex. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1353
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:29:00 -
[192] - Quote
M'nu wrote:No, the one in the box on the right left hand side, in the devblog.
Looks like a Merlin and a Slasher had sex. Thats a Templar, the amarr fighter. Its a combat drone used by carriers.
That's a Tyrfing, the Minmatar Fighter-Bomber (assuming you're talking about the picture in the blog, not the ones in the right-hand-side column, since those are just randomly picked chronicles). GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
M'nu
Autocannons Anonymous
0
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:36:00 -
[193] - Quote
Tippia wrote:M'nu wrote:No, the one in the box on the right left hand side, in the devblog.
Looks like a Merlin and a Slasher had sex. Thats a Templar, the amarr fighter. Its a combat drone used by carriers.That's a Tyrfing, the Minmatar Fighter-Bomber (assuming you're talking about the picture in the blog, not the ones in the right-hand-side column, since those are just randomly picked chronicles).
Damn, I was nerdbonering all over the place thinking it was some new ship, I got my directions all messed. lol Thanks
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Kassasis Dakkstromri
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
98
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Posted - 2011.11.09 23:57:00 -
[194] - Quote
CCP Cascade wrote:Komen wrote:I would say 'no' but I think I'm outvoted.
I am not for this, except for the part where you say this means it simplifies the task of releasing patches.
For that, I say 'yes'. The rest of the gaudy clutter can kindly go jump into a car crusher. What you are seeing is far from anything final. Can you elaborate a bit rather than saying no? Can you look at it the other way around and ask yourself: "What would I like to see in this window?" What feature would improve things for you?
Can't all this be done and still keep the traditional client window/ splash screen (ie current Incarna)? Keep the cool streamlined and efficient patching stuff on the backside, and just add appropriate progression bar, and buttons to what we have graphically?
We aren't doing away with the way the client looks now are we?? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1358
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Posted - 2011.11.10 00:16:00 -
[195] - Quote
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:Can't all this be done and still keep the traditional client window/ splash screen (ie current Incarna)? Keep the cool streamlined and efficient patching stuff on the backside, and just add appropriate progression bar, and buttons to what we have graphically? GǪor, just to be completely contrary and to brainfart a bit for a secondGǪ
If you're making a launcher, why are you picking the GÇ£cutoff pointGÇ¥ where you've set it: between patching and log-in? Have you thought about any problems/benefits/possibilities with placing it somewhere else?
For instance, would it be possible to make it so that (and what problems would arise if) the launcher deals with patching and logging in GÇö the main client then deals with character selection and gameplay. That should allow for the oft-requested ability to switch characters without having to relog (or, indeed, any of the things that are now handled by shutting down the client and relogging)GǪ or at least to hide the process: you still technically relog, but what actually happens is that the main client just restarts with the same account info, so you don't have to enter it again. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
NaturalBeast
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 01:40:00 -
[196] - Quote
I give this idea two thumbs down. I don't see any issue with the current format which seems to work well enough. Frankly I love the fact that I can copy your installation folder anywhere, anytime and run it no problem. Try doing that with other games. Yeah right.
I also don't like a launcher period. (ala WOW) trying to stream in the background. I get a dirty feeling just thinking of that stupid WOW launcher. Besides we have a great format. Launch eve.exe, login, pew pew. Whats better than that?
Please reconsider this decision. I see no upside and only potential for disaster. At the very least make this optional like WIS.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
36
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Posted - 2011.11.10 01:42:00 -
[197] - Quote
Probably mentioned on the pages before, but please support multi-client environments in a way that people with several clients on the same machine or in the same house only have to download patches/updates ONCE ONLY with that tool. I hate Windows 7 for that ****.. all my boxes have to DL the stuff on their own and waste bandwidth.
And think about what Tippia said above. Switching characters shouldn't need a restart of the client. If you got problems with LogOffski, try to finally plug that friggin hole in your code. |
La Merovingian
Veto. Veto Corp
7
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Posted - 2011.11.10 01:55:00 -
[198] - Quote
Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:Updated the SiSi client, clicked on launcher.exe to test it......nothing. It stays in the process list for about a second and then quits again. I have searched for an error log or something similar, but could not find one. I even tried logserver, to no avail.... Please provide me with information as on what I have to do to let YOU know what goes wrong, then I will do so. WinXP Pro 32 bit, fully up to date.
Same problem here, only Win 7 Ultimate, 64-bit.
Ran SisiLauncher tool to update client. Navigated to the /.../CCP/Singularity folder, and voila, there is the launcher.exe file waiting patiently. I double click.
Nothing.
Checked processes while running it, tried running as shortcut from desktop, tried running pinned on taskbar. Every time, same results. Process pops up. Processes dies.
I'll happily submit a bug report with dxdiag files or whatever else you'd like. Just point me in the right direction. :) |
Sheol Duncan
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
10
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Posted - 2011.11.10 02:55:00 -
[199] - Quote
My fear is that it's simply adding another button to press every time I want to log into Eve. As I understand it, this launcher would open up, check if there is a patch, download the patch if so, and then toss us onto our regular log in screen with the pretty 3d background. I'd be more than happy to see that screen go in favor of a more simplified page, but I'd rather not have both the current page and a launcher. Is there any way you could add the log in section into the launcher?
If not, I would definitely like to see a way to skip the launcher unless there is another patch, also I'm not interested in passive downloads, as it means another process running in the background of my computer 24/7 for the few times where there actually is an update. |
Beckett Firesnake
Confrerie des ombres Confrerie de la Lumiere Alliance
4
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Posted - 2011.11.10 05:16:00 -
[200] - Quote
I have 3 computers. Shall I have to update the three separatly as today or shall we be able to make only one dowload for the three? |
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
51
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Posted - 2011.11.10 05:32:00 -
[201] - Quote
CCP Cascade wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:CCP Topknot wrote:But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers. Really!? Who are you guys, and where have you been hiding? Hi Lors Dornick, Since we're making a new system for updating, installing and repairing your client, it is important that we get to the bottom of what benefits people see in the current tools that are out there. We all know that people use them differently and see different benefits and drawbacks for them and the question was more to get to the core of the concern rather than guessing. Guessing does not fit in well in a two way communication. The specific concern Tippia raised, has been raised in several replies in this thread and is something we will take a look at together as a team. As mentioned in the dev blog and previous replies, this is an early version where you have the chance to come up with cool new features, ask questions and help form the launcher into something you will be happy to use.
My point was Devs that not only ask for feedback, they act on said feedback and now even start to resolv issues we didn't even know we had ;)
This has escalated beyond refocus on WiS and is starting to look like a race to see who'll get most free beer at fanfest ;)
Not that I'm complaining in any way.
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Nicole Louise
Blue Moon Ventures
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 07:38:00 -
[202] - Quote
Would be fantastic to be able to launch all accounts from the one log in screen as someone said earlier. I run three and its not a pain but anything new is great. I embrace change.
Also someone said it would be nice to have either SISI or Tranq log in buttons on this, I like that too. |
DarthMopp
I.D.I.O.T. Sev3rance
26
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Posted - 2011.11.10 07:40:00 -
[203] - Quote
*yawns*
Whys everyone coming around the corner with a launcher nowadays?
Doesn-¦t matter. Do we get a EULA for the launcher or will it be covered with the general EULA we already have?
I dont wanna see that thing go boink like that ORIGIN crap that EA distributed with Battlefield 3. Goddamn Datacrawler.
So, whats the further plans with the EvE Launcher? Getting a Steam Clone online? Tough of course i could understand this. Valve is earning loads of money with this crap.
Seriously...only one wish for the launcher: Make it optional!
Thanks :) |
M1AU
Farstriders New Eden Industrie Alliance
27
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:02:00 -
[204] - Quote
CCP Topknot wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪsoooo. Manual patching? Question back: What is it that you like about the manual patchers? We would really like to get rid of manual patchers eventually because it would simplify our build process a lot and like Mandrake said, give us a better environment to push out smaller updates. But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers.
As others pointed out, manual patching could be handy especially for Linux / WINE users. There are people out there which simply can't or won't run a MS operating system and as EVE through WINE worked for me the last 4 years, I'd rather like it to stay that way. If the new launcher always works, fine, but any fallback is appreciated. |
TxShadow
Shadows Of The Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:05:00 -
[205] - Quote
Crunchmeister wrote:Just make sure that this front end is capable of launching multiple clients. It would be pointless otherwise.
Also, how about letting us log off a character without having to restart the client. Just take us back to the character selection screen and choose a new char on the same account!
Agree here, if this "thing" doesn't fully support MULTIPLE instances from MULTIPLE directories, then make it possible to stay with our old and current system. Because we have during the years learned of ways to adapt this game to work with multiple accounts, due to your official lack of support (witch is ironic with the power of 2 u keep trying to sell). Many have noticed that if u have dual screen, the best way is to have 2 installations with separate cache and settings to keep them on different screens and maybe also graphical setting.
Remember, in many cases there are eve players that have more experience in EVE then GM/CCP employees. We have learned to adapt around your designs for years, and after half a decade, you get used to things "your own way".
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I find your lack of Macintosh support "disturbing". But then, Windows users always need extra hand-holding.
This made me laugh so hard i nearly fell of the chair. Seriously, ANY no-knowledge child can use a Mac, (and they often do), so i agree with you that Mac need this tool, hell i think THEY need it 10x more then any windows user would.
And i am willing to bet that ANY windows user, even the dumbest one, can use a Mac, but put a mac user in front of a PC, and he might not even be able to start it, let alone use it. This is because it takes at least some know how to use a PC, and to be able to really tweak them take some own thinking. A Mac, you cant even tweak anything if you compare. Apple is your daddy telling you what software u can run, and what function you can use, you have to hack tools just to change things.
No please CCP, let these Mac users get this new toy... let them Beta test your software, and see how they like it.
Crunchmeister wrote:Odd. Most Windows users consider Apple products to be geared to the technologically challenged who need training wheels and a hand-holding.
You forgot diaper and bib, but indeed right.
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CowRocket Void
Angelus.Mortis RED.Legion
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:13:00 -
[206] - Quote
/me has to write new login scripts now :(. Yeah, I'm that lazy.
All well, adapt and overcome, amirite? |
CowRocket Void
Angelus.Mortis RED.Legion
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 08:21:00 -
[207] - Quote
/me has to write new login scripts now. (Yeah, I'm that lazy)
All well, adapt and overcome, amirite? |
Dorn Val
Defective Clones Sailors of the Sacred Spice
5
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:01:00 -
[208] - Quote
Can you set up the launcher so that I can update both my Tranquility and Singularity clients and choose which one I'd like to launch? I think you'd get more peeps on the test server if it were easier to update and log into ;) |
Skinagi
Picon Prayers
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:01:00 -
[209] - Quote
Hi I think i've found a bug with the launcher.
It's no big deal, but with this bug the launcher not even launch :D
When Eve is installed in a folder with spaces like "EVE Singularity" the updater of the launcher can't start. Here is the command launch to update the launcher :
C:\Users\Skinagi\AppData\Local\CCP\EVE\d_jeux_eve singularity\updater.exe /path=D:\Jeux\EVE Singularity /url="http://cdn1.eveonline.com/EveOnlineLauncher/launcherupdate_0_21.dat" /execute=launcher.exe
And if you copy/paste that in a command launcher you've got : 'C:\Users\Skinagi\AppData\Local\CCP\EVE\d_jeux_eve' n'est pas reconnu en tant que commande interne ou externe, un programme ex+¬cutable ou un fichier de commandes. (french OS :D)
The command is not recognized.
For the moment I will remove the space of the folder to make the launcher work :D
Hope this helps.
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Skinagi
Picon Prayers
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:09:00 -
[210] - Quote
Ouch. It seems that the launcher doesn't really like my Windows 7 64bits ... :-/ |
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Eperor
Skyforger Tactical Narcotics Team
2
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:25:00 -
[211] - Quote
PLS no adons like launcher i hate i them all PC slows down again you wil hit ppl with slower PC`s. And make for them live painfull. OR keep it optional that if i wish i can put it up if i dont wish than i not ruining that junk. |
Skinagi
Picon Prayers
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:36:00 -
[212] - Quote
CCP Mandrake wrote:
Run the repair tool and it will fix it, you will have to run it with a special command line though ...
repair.exe --server=SISI
I've tried that and i've got :
Traceback (most recent call last): File "repairTool\progressPanel.pyc", line 99, in _TaskRun File "repairTool\repairUI.pyc", line 104, in Start File "repairTool\repairLogic.pyc", line 197, in Repair File "repairTool\repairLogic.pyc", line 363, in Restore File "zsync\zsync.pyc", line 374, in RestoreFolder File "zsync\zsync.pyc", line 728, in GetRollsums File "stuff\dataPile.pyc", line 118, in GetBlock KeyError: '0' |
Sessym
Superstructure Exposure Service
17
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:40:00 -
[213] - Quote
CCP Topknot wrote: This is not removing the login screen. You will still see the beautiful login screen :)
That is exactly why most people don't see the real need behind it :) If we have a launcher, we should at least have the option to switch characters without having to restart. I know that's technically harder to do, but otherwise it doesn't feel very useful. _________ ,,,,,,,,,,,,,;;;;;####;;-------======-]> --,,,,,,,,,.... //_###_________------;;;;;;;;;;;;'''----======-]> --'''''"""" //_____/ ------- |
Sicex
1
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:45:00 -
[214] - Quote
Anyway to allow the launcher to display full News items to browse while someone installs or patches?
Would be nice and would also promote reading of the news as well. |
Eperor
Skyforger Tactical Narcotics Team
2
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Posted - 2011.11.10 09:50:00 -
[215] - Quote
I Have question to ccp:
1. how that inpacts PC`s performance (that slows down the system as holl or not)? 2. One launcher wil be able handle my 4 clients at one witout lonching 4 launchers? 3. There wil be option thati can swith chars on one acount witout reloging?
TNX if wil be answered. |
Hosedna
FumbleFamily Corp
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 10:01:00 -
[216] - Quote
M1AU wrote:CCP Topknot wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪsoooo. Manual patching? Question back: What is it that you like about the manual patchers? We would really like to get rid of manual patchers eventually because it would simplify our build process a lot and like Mandrake said, give us a better environment to push out smaller updates. But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers. As others pointed out, manual patching could be handy especially for Linux / WINE users. There are people out there which simply can't or won't run a MS operating system and as EVE through WINE worked for me the last 4 years, I'd rather like it to stay that way. If the new launcher always works, fine, but any fallback is appreciated.
And currently the launcher on Sisi doesn't work with wine :$. I must admit I would really enjoy the launcher to stay optionnal, even if it is the default option. Or maybe we could get a way to configure the Sisi launcher to work on TQ, since it works wonder with wine ? |
bornaa
GRiD.
28
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Posted - 2011.11.10 10:11:00 -
[217] - Quote
how about Launcher becomes log in screen??? this would be logic... we have all tools (and more), from log in screen in Launcher, but we need to start game to get log in screen to enter user name and password... log in screen only for that? no logic in that... whats for then log in screen??? |
Aethlyn
44
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Posted - 2011.11.10 10:12:00 -
[218] - Quote
oogs wrote:Same question as a few others - what about us multi-boxers? I run upwards of 4 instances, and I have clients configured per-video card*. Will this still be possible with the launcher?
*To clarify: I have 2 video cards, each card runs 2 displays. If I use the client configured to use GPU 1 (or 2) on the displays powered by GPU 3 (or 4), I get horrible FPS. So that I don't have to change settings all the time, I just have 2 copies of EVE on my system, one configured for each video card.
Far easier to do:
#1: Simply copy the whole directory after patching (takes some time)
#2: Use a symbolic link (Windows Vista/7; didn't try it yet, but should work fine):
- I assume you've got the first client in "C:\Games\Eve Online".
- Type "cmd" into the start menu, right click the found entry and pick "Run as Administrator".
- In the dos window run (with quotes): mklink /D "C:\Games\Eve Online" "C:\Games\Eve Online (2)"
- The second path given will be the symbolic link being created. This will cause these links to appear as their own folders on your hard disk, however they'll all essentially use up the same hard disk space. This way you could have 100 clients on your HDD that still require the same space as only 1 client plus you can update all 100 at once! (Just ensure you launch the other instances using their own (startup) paths once patching is done).
Looking for more thoughts? Read my blog or follow me on Twitter. |
Assaj Ventress
Cygnus Project Desman Alliance
4
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Posted - 2011.11.10 11:24:00 -
[219] - Quote
Nice feature. When will you add a possibility to switch characters on th same account without logging out? |
Zendon Taredi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2011.11.10 11:26:00 -
[220] - Quote
Nice. Any plans on integrating singu and duality? Having everything in one launcher would be nice. |
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Blue Harrier
16
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Posted - 2011.11.10 11:41:00 -
[221] - Quote
Having used both the old SiSiLauncher and the new Launcher on SiSi I have to say I prefer the old style SiSiLauncher. At least with the old style one I have the option of either clicking [Play EVE on Singularity] or [Repair My Test Client] unlike the new Launcher where I have no option.
For the test client I donGÇÖt find this a chore but for daily use of the main client it just seems to add an extra button to click to start the game (there is also a noticeable wait time while the launcher starts and does its thing), unless as others have asked you also make this the log in screen as well.
At the moment I have one account on one machine with both the SiSi test client, Duality test client and TQ client, each client has itGÇÖs own cache, settings and such like and this all takes up space, if you are now asking us to have a separate download area for each of the launcher downloaded files then I can foresee some space problems for users with multiple clients on one machine.
I would suggest at least the Launcher is given a browse button so we can put the downloaded files where we want them and also point all launchers on one machine towards the same file location. Of course this would mean the launcher would have to check the cache files first for updates before trying to do a download.
At the moment my SiSiLauncher reports I have 8.62 GB stored in the cache so if this was replicated to even 3 clients the cached files would balloon to around 26 GB if they were stored separately and as some people have reported running as many as 15 clients I dread to think of the space needed for their clients (130 GB or thereabouts).
And one final thing, you said in an answer to someone that the Launcher would not change your settings, well sorry to say from my test on SiSi (note I have used both launchers old and new), it actually made a completely new settings folder and I had to go through the complete logging in and change settings etc all over again.
At the end of the day I (just myself others have their views and I respect them), would prefer the way we do it now and just download the patch and update as many machines as we wish then archive the file somewhere safe. |
M1AU
Farstriders New Eden Industrie Alliance
27
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Posted - 2011.11.10 12:35:00 -
[222] - Quote
Hosedna wrote:M1AU wrote:CCP Topknot wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪsoooo. Manual patching? Question back: What is it that you like about the manual patchers? We would really like to get rid of manual patchers eventually because it would simplify our build process a lot and like Mandrake said, give us a better environment to push out smaller updates. But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers. As others pointed out, manual patching could be handy especially for Linux / WINE users. There are people out there which simply can't or won't run a MS operating system and as EVE through WINE worked for me the last 4 years, I'd rather like it to stay that way. If the new launcher always works, fine, but any fallback is appreciated. And currently the launcher on Sisi doesn't work with wine :$. I must admit I would really enjoy the launcher to stay optionnal, even if it is the default option. Or maybe we could get a way to configure the Sisi launcher to work on TQ, since it works wonder with wine ?
That sucks. |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1058
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Posted - 2011.11.10 12:37:00 -
[223] - Quote
Lors Dornick wrote:Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I find your lack of Macintosh support "disturbing". But then, Windows users always need extra hand-holding. But as one who actually voted for you, you're out on a limb here Treb.
Please train Humor to at least III, then re-read my original post.
Thanks in advance, Trebor (current training Trolling to V, Mittens is making me do it) CSM - because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism! CSM 6 Activities Summary | My CSM blog |
Rommiee
Mercury Inc. Death Rhubarb
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 12:39:00 -
[224] - Quote
So, will we still have the standard EVE shortcut to go directly to the client, or will be have to run this launcer, then click play each time we want to log on ?
If you run 3 clients, will you also have 3 instances of this launcer running in the background ?
It sounds good for patching and unpdating.... not so hot for everyday use when you just want to log on and play. There are not that many patches being deployed that makes it necessary to compromise day to day activity. |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
40
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Posted - 2011.11.10 12:54:00 -
[225] - Quote
Looks good.
If the goal is to do a staged deployment, I'd recommend:
1: Introduction Video - 5 mins - uber/pimp/blazing/awesome/1337/<9000/DnB/Techno/Dirty/Sexy 2: Character name creation stage 3: Videos for the races of EVE - 30-60 seconds each 4: Picking bloodlines 5: Videos on different 'paths' - 3-5 minutes, Aura with extra husk as VO 6: Character Avatar creation
This should help people bond with their characters, as it helps them define the reasons why they are playing - not EVE/CCP defining who they are and why they are interacting with this world.
Players should have an answer to the question "Who am I?" in a disembodied state.
If you do not let them define who they are, the (dangerous) question which is left in their head is "What am I supposed to be doing?"
If they are a vicious player, they should be able to define this through the first 30 minutes; and if they are an explorer, they need to believe that is what they are.
If they do not bond, you do not get your money at the end of the 14 days.
Regardless of what some people have said recently, our ingame persona is very important - if it doesn't define us, or allow us to define it, we will be annoyed. If we are a new player, we will leave.
AK GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥
Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002. |
Mjana
Switzerland EVE Corp.
1
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Posted - 2011.11.10 14:29:00 -
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EDIT: oh great, forum ate my post again... |
Tidwald
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 14:44:00 -
[227] - Quote
Mohr Cowbell wrote:Salpun wrote:
Sisi currently works for me. Using the sisi launcher forcing a repair did not add the new functionality. Did the Win7 64bit files not get updated?
The new files are there and a launcher exe that is 458 KB is size is in the folder but does not run anything when clicked on.
Same issue here on Win7-64. When I run the launcher, I can see the process appear in task manager for about a second, then it goes away. I also tried right-clicking the shortcut and selecting Run as Administrator.
Exactly the same here, but on Win7-32.
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Mjana
Switzerland EVE Corp.
1
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Posted - 2011.11.10 14:54:00 -
[228] - Quote
CCP Mandrake wrote:I had been thinking of adding an option to the launcher settings that when set, the launcher window would not pop up unless there was an update. I decided against it at this stage as once set, it would lock you out of the launcher and always start eve directly until next time there is an update. But seeing as how many players are asking about this, i don't see why i shouldn't add this feature.
We definately need some "fast startup" option. Think about how often the launcher features will be used: - Installing updates: once a week, not more than twice per day (before/after DT) - Reading news and annoucements: once a day - Starting client: every time
At least leave the eve.exe a standalone application that we can launch using a shortcut, if we just got disconnected during [insert time critical activity here]. Or for people like me, who already use their own custom launcher thingy, that launches up several instances, sets processor affinity and punches in login credentials.
Also, concerning news publishing/reading: Currently, the news page displayed on the right of character selection screen (http://www.eveonline.com/mb/news.asp) often contains news items that are not yet published on the rest of the eveonline.com website. Sometimes, I would like to read some of those news but also want to finish logging in my bunch of characters and fleet them up for hours of exciting ice mining.
Therefore, I would suggest an option to "Keep launcher open, so I can finish reading that story about Emperess Jamyll being bitten by her pet slaver hound."
Also, +1 for useful stuff like - Clearing cache - Setting graphics options - Changing language
P.S.: Cool, after rewriting my post because forum ate it, I would almost have lost it AGAIN because aparently, it's really user-friendly to CLEAR A POST if it contains a single "less than" character followed by a letter. ("The input may not contain HTML.") |
John McCreedy
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
14
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Posted - 2011.11.10 15:02:00 -
[229] - Quote
Will this retain (assuming it's still going because I've not noticed it lately?) corporate advertising on the launcher screen? |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
139
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Posted - 2011.11.10 15:28:00 -
[230] - Quote
still no answer to the question of 'can we turn this off'? dont need 5 or 6 of these open when i log in my accounts CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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Cygne Mallory
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 15:34:00 -
[231] - Quote
This sounds interesting, hopefully will allow for some interesting reading on a patch day.
"Communation be fundamental" Is this irony or a typo or a meme? So hard to tell with these hipster devs... |
Xavier Linx
Omni Research
3
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:14:00 -
[232] - Quote
If I start the client during DT it's because I want to play eve and forgot to check my clock. I'd like a link to the forum so I can go and whine about the DT and the last nerf and the lack of SSO when going there.
I like the Out-of-pod experience in eve and everything that enforce that gets +1 from me. |
TxShadow
Shadows Of The Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.11.10 18:11:00 -
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Neo Agricola wrote:Asthariye wrote:Dev comment on this use case would be really good, I can't imagine I'm the only person for whom this is a problem. +1 hate the Idea of updating X clients on 3 different systems with my bandwith...
I am guessing u haven't tried to NOT clock "Clear Downloaded Data" in between clients patch? Its the last page you get from the patch software.
If you do that, on the first and second client u update, it only has to download the "patch" tool @ 5MB or so per client. Then it find and checks the downloaded data, and uses it again. Then on the last 3:rd) client u patch, select it to "Clear Downloaded Data" and its like normal again.
Been doing that a while myself |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2011.11.10 18:18:00 -
[234] - Quote
Not sure if already mentioned, but a patch day idea:
Is it possible that launcher/patcher can use SISI data to patch TQ to save a separate download??
This would be a great feature for people with internet connections as agricultural as mine
EDIT for clarity
two eve installs, each with launchers (or a combined launcher as has been suggested)
install 1 - TQ install 2 - SISI
TQ install takes downloaded data from SISI folder to update itself on patch day rather than download everything again.
I know we can usually rename the path in the SISI folder manually but this would be great functionality for the launcher |
TxShadow
Shadows Of The Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.11.10 18:32:00 -
[235] - Quote
CCP Topknot wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪsoooo. Manual patching? Question back: What is it that you like about the manual patchers? We would really like to get rid of manual patchers eventually because it would simplify our build process a lot and like Mandrake said, give us a better environment to push out smaller updates. But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers.
Id say, control. That should be mine, and not yours.
Its like Windows update, i have a fully legal Windows 7, 64-Bit, but i don't want it patching and downloading patches when ever it feels like it. Was like the small client patches that now are different. When they first started, we could choose yes or no. Because believe me, i have been in eve long enough to know that not everything that comes from your fingers are gold and diamonds.
Same way with Real Player, Adobe little toys, Quicktime etc... Its "there" if you want to be bothered about it. Todays PCs are completely full of unwanted and not needed software, that some developer thought he could impress his boss with. This just takes resources, development time, and more important, MY time, to filter through.
When it comes to ads, one thing needs to be set straight. I pay for the accounts, i pay for the electricity to power the machine i payed for. As long as i am paying for EVE, ads is NOT accepted, unless u start giving me free game time by SELECTING that i want it this way. Use EveOnline.com for that if u want, but not the software we use to play. Same **** with many EA games, that i HAVE to watch there dumb logo and things every time. If i have payed for it, then i should only have to view that logo presentation ONCE at most.
If you just want to make a simple thing to keep the clients in chess, thats a good thing. But when i start an eve client, i want to start eve, not a launcher that i then have to push again to start what i wanted to start in the first place. If you guys can make it possible for me to control 4 clients in 1 launcher, i could understand it, but not the way its made now.
I think since i have gone and done one more step, i am not sure it will work for me. I have 1 real eve folder, (on SSD), and 3 linked folders to that. giving me 4 "clients". These have separate setting and cache on a RAM drive, but share the clients files. Gives me some odd things, normal patches work 100%. But these darn "client" patch needs to be done 4 times, 1 for each virtual client. I am guessing its somewhere in the cache or settings, and not in the client info, witch seems dumb.
At least i am happy you did think to make it work with multiple instances. Lets just hope u make it useful enough for us old school EVE users to feel we WANT to use it, and not having to find a way around it too. |
Chise
Tomoe Laboratories
0
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Posted - 2011.11.11 04:06:00 -
[236] - Quote
Arth Lawing wrote:ORCACommander wrote:looks good but i don't want it. when i click the shortcut for my game i want to go into the game not into a cd autorun menu. This. If we wanted all that web content account management stuff we'd launch our Firefox and do it. The auto patching isn't going to happen because if I'm not online playing I won't be running these pathetic launchers that everyone seems to insist on using these days as a way to clutter up your PC with useless ads and crap. Old patch day = do stuff while waiting for server, do patch, play New patch day = sit watching launcher wait for server, do patch, play
I agree what these guys and most others are saying: We don't need a useless screen with an extra button to click before we can login! |
Komen
Capital Enrichment Services
30
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Posted - 2011.11.11 05:43:00 -
[237] - Quote
CCP Cascade wrote:Komen wrote:I would say 'no' but I think I'm outvoted.
I am not for this, except for the part where you say this means it simplifies the task of releasing patches.
For that, I say 'yes'. The rest of the gaudy clutter can kindly go jump into a car crusher. What you are seeing is far from anything final. Can you elaborate a bit rather than saying no? Can you look at it the other way around and ask yourself: "What would I like to see in this window?" What feature would improve things for you?
Well, if this is like, say, Steam, then it's going to sit there in the taskbar, taking up another sliver of system resources, yes?
Or have I misread that this is always on? |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
26
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Posted - 2011.11.11 06:29:00 -
[238] - Quote
I love the idea of an Eve launcher. The aprt that really sold it was the accessing Account services made easy. But there are a few easy things I'd like to see added. Such as a quick access to Eve gate. Just click a link and Mozzila starts with the page. I'd make it a home page, but I like my home page now. I would also like the see the Sisi launcher and updater integrated into the Eve launcehr as well. |
roflcat
2
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Posted - 2011.11.11 07:22:00 -
[239] - Quote
Please consider allowing to pause downloads and the install itself. tyvm check our my bio to confirm my trustworthiness regarding trades
aka: my old signature did not met the length constraints because of huge urls pointing to my previous threads :facepalm: |
ThaMa Gebir
Penumbra Institute Inver Brass
0
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Posted - 2011.11.11 08:58:00 -
[240] - Quote
Hello.
I know it has been a while since I last wrote to anyone.
But, since when have CCP been working on projects like this?
It looks unfortunetly just like the "World of tanks" launcher, just a different paint job. |
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Neo Agricola
BLACK-MARK
89
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Posted - 2011.11.11 10:01:00 -
[241] - Quote
CCP Cascade wrote: What feature would improve things for you?
Since you asked:
my vision of a perfect launcher:
1. Single point of Entry: (I do have more than two accounts, so i have some eve installations on my pc) => Select which Character (!) you want to log in => launcher starts eve and you type in your PW and your Character is there. => Dream: (optional) Single sign on: i log on (UN/PW which are not the same as any EVE UN/PW) to the launcher and have all my chars available. i press one and the launcher startes eve and logs in the right char. => only downloading 1 time the patch to patch all installations (or better find a way to have only one installation for multiaccounting) => Copy setting from 1 Character to another (overview, Windowposition, marketwindow a.s.o.) => Downloading patches in Backround => posibility to distribute patches from 1 pc in your homenetwork to another (so if you have more than 1 PC you can config the Launcher that it askes the "ServerPC" in your homenetwork for an update!) => reduces trafik for those who dont have a big fancy internet conetion... => Change Settings for 1 Character (language, switch Autotarget = 0, a.s.o.) => Overview for all my char. Name, currently skilling X till date, Wallet, Docked in Y , Account expires on Date (or in x Days) => posibility to clear cach for Account / Char / installation
2. Informationwindow (optional,=> you turn it on/off and you can configure it as you like it) => Headline for the last 10 Dev Blogs => Headline for the last 10 Dev Forum Posts
make as many things optional as possible, so you dont force someone to use it.
Just my point of view.
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Rommiee
Mercury Inc. Death Rhubarb
0
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Posted - 2011.11.11 11:08:00 -
[242] - Quote
CCP Topknot wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪsoooo. Manual patching? Question back: What is it that you like about the manual patchers? We would really like to get rid of manual patchers eventually because it would simplify our build process a lot and like Mandrake said, give us a better environment to push out smaller updates. But I would really like to hear the benefits you see in the manual patchers.
Here it is.......
I have EVE installed on 2 PC's & 2 laptops.
With manual patching, I can download the patch once and transfer it to all machines.
Without manual patching I would have to download the patch 4 times.
I can't believe that you could not work that one out :) |
Rommiee
Mercury Inc. Death Rhubarb
0
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Posted - 2011.11.11 11:31:00 -
[243] - Quote
DaDutchDude wrote:Don't get me wrong, I'm not against supporting patching multiple installs of the EVE client, and supporting it for 3 will probably be just as easy as supporting it for 30. However, some of these requests sound like the botting community is asking for CCP to support patching all their bot clients in one go, and I'd rather have CCP fight botting instead of making life easier for people who run bots.
So everyone with multiple accounts are botting ?
Don't be an idiot |
Desmont McCallock
41
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Posted - 2011.11.11 12:52:00 -
[244] - Quote
As many others have already posted, my launcher.exe fails to launch.
EVE runs on Win7 x64.
My question is, does the code in launcher looks up the path where the client is installed or do you have hardcoded a specific path? |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
690
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Posted - 2011.11.11 14:44:00 -
[245] - Quote
Desmont McCallock wrote:As many others have already posted, my launcher.exe fails to launch.
EVE runs on Win7 x64.
My question is, does the code in launcher looks up the path where the client is installed or do you have hardcoded a specific path?
i have that problem too... |
Seraphim000
Deep Axion The G0dfathers
0
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Posted - 2011.11.11 18:16:00 -
[246] - Quote
+ Streamlined update process. No more jumping in and out of the game five times after not playing for a while just to get updates. + Possibility of being able to read patch notes / devblogs during the update. - Extra click to get to the game. Can't log into a character straight from the patcher. - Poor support for the Multiple Accounts + Windows 7 scenario, where we need one icon in our taskbar for each client. Adding a pre-game executable causes it to create a new taskbar icon for the game. Right now, you just pin the game exe directly and skip the splash screen exe. We'll have to skip this patcher as well. Will the game client still check for updates itself? - Devs talking about having the patcher running constantly to do continual checks for updates. Background updaters are a SIN, please do not commit. - Devs talking about removing manual patchers. I don't have much bandwidth, and there are three people that play at my house. Without manual patches, it'd take us three times as long to update. It already takes long enough on big patches.
So this patcher is kinda nifty, but useless to me until it functions properly for multi-account win7 users. |
Taureau
Innovia Innovia Alliance
9
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Posted - 2011.11.12 02:32:00 -
[247] - Quote
ORCACommander wrote:looks good but i don't want it. when i click the shortcut for my game i want to go into the game not into a cd autorun menu.
EXACTLY!
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Dareth Meroul
OMRE
1
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Posted - 2011.11.12 10:34:00 -
[248] - Quote
Taureau wrote:ORCACommander wrote:looks good but i don't want it. when i click the shortcut for my game i want to go into the game not into a cd autorun menu. EXACTLY! Focus your manpower on important tasks CCP! I can't really agree with either point. Allow me to explain why.
The way I'm understanding things in a now vs. proposed launcher/updater perspective, is that it seems the two biggest things that the launcher/updater seems to cut out are:
- The quite annoying experience of waiting for a patch to download while the client is still up
- The inevitable delay and annoyance of having wait for the client sign-in to start, to then have to wait for it to exit or restart when applying an update, only to have to wait for it to start again
This puts the launcher/updater addition in a net win for me, with that alone. Having to restart and waiting for video mode shifts & such is quite annoying. At least the launcher would give me something to do in the meantime. With the auto-updating feature added to this GÇô assuming it's at least relatively smart about background downloading when spare bandwidth & CPU are available GÇô the times I'd even have to content myself with the launcher-provided distractions would be reduced to a minimum.
This is why I don't see how this is comparable to a CD Autorun menu, or how it's not important. After all, everyone who plays EVE launches EVE, while most will never become significantly involved in crowdsourcing or possibly even in commentary of it. And, there are many pieces to the game and community that is EVE, so some people at CCP have to work on the basic infrastructure that's not exactly sexy and doesn't garner the attention that other things do.
In real life, someone has to see to the trash, the sewer system, and the seamless function of utilities, and someone needs to watch over the basic interactions of the playerbase with the EVE client as well as see to its maintenance and a more seamless functioning. The launcher/updater project seems kind of like many of the other conveniences of life in that we often don't put a priority on before we have them. But after we've experienced them, usually we'd really rather not do without.
Or have I somehow misunderstood your point and the one you quoted?
Here's some additional (probably excessive, but hopefully accurate) detail on now vs. with launcher/updater, to clarify my perspective:
Quote:Current scenario (Windows)- Launch EVE sign-n page
- Discover update is needed {small or big patch}
- Small patch: Confirm download of patch; wait for download; client restart / patch apply confirm; wait for exit; wait for patch to be applied; wait for EVE sign-in to launch again
- - or -
- Big patch: Confirm download of pre-update patch; wait for download or confirmation of direct exit, depending; exit confirm; wait for exit; wait for apply to start; apply pre-update patch; wait for apply to finish; wait for updater to start; confirm that updater may download update; download full patch/update; confirm that updater permitted to apply update; wait for update to apply; acknowledge update completion, allowing optional cleanup; launch EVE sign-in again
Scenario with launcher- Start launcher
- Discover update is needed
- Small or Big patch: Read stuff in launcher or wherever while: update is downloaded; update interrupts to confirm permission to apply update; update apply; wait for finish; launcher indicates readiness; click 'Launch' or 'Play' to launch EVE sign-in screen
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Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
140
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Posted - 2011.11.12 12:49:00 -
[249] - Quote
the issue with this is that to run multiple installs you have to run multiple launchers.
im yet to see a good reason as to why i need 6 launchers to run 6 installs.
this needs the option to only run when patches are to be installed, and it must come with the option to not clean up downloaded data. i do not need to download the same thing 6 times when 1 is enough. CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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Xiang Feilong
Little Britain Builders MPA
0
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Posted - 2011.11.12 23:06:00 -
[250] - Quote
Xercodo wrote:I say that to solve a lot of the issues people are having in this thread you guys should do the following:
-Client management: 1, 2,3....,n, And Sisi and Deucy -Streamlining of login and character select: since the news will be on character selected AND the launcher maybe remove it from the character select and clean things a bit. Move the account login to the launcher (with the ability to have as many fields as there are clients) and put character select over on top of the current login screen with 3D animation. The new character select screen can be built in a minimalist manner that compliments the animated background without them killing each other too much. -Allow for download of the patch and export/import of patch data so that offline installation can be done once one comp has downloaded it it can be transferred to all the others to do an offline install without multiple downloads.
This will not only make multi boxing an officially supported "feature" but also make it easier for everyone to do. Like many have stated integrating SiSi into this launcher can also help greatly increase SiSi test participation (maybe have the SiSi button all blinky when a test is going on that week). The redesign of the login and character select screen should remove the need for extra clicks by instead of making the launcher an extra step, being integrated as an existing step without destroying the experience of the 3D animated login screen we have today. Making login launcher-side and character select client-side can also be a push towards switching characters without client restarts.
To maximize player information retention and to make sure they read it make the headlines MASSIVE with the summaries very short and minimized. The titles both in size and wording need to get people's attention. Separate EVE News, devblogs, and the RP news so that players can get exactly what they want too without being cluttered up by news they arent interested in. Not many hardcore 0.0 players care what latest controversy Quafe is caught up in or whatever. But the section should still be included for the sake of the RP bunnies.
And while I'm talking about RP, making the RP news open up into a faked news website that looks a lot like nytimes.com but designed by The Scope or Amarr Certified News with Quafe ads and stuff would be awesome for the immersion of a RPer. I LOVED the feel of the Quantum Rise trailer. The beginning had me feeling like i was watching the EVE version of CNBC.
I was about to compile my thoughts on it, but then i stumbled upon this excellent post that says all of what i think about this introduction of a launcher. I certainly approve of the implementation of a launcher for EVE that actualy patches the client before starting it. It's obvious, it's long overdue, and it's gonna help patching more frequently. And, might i add, as for the people who don't understand the pros of such a system... I don't know what to tell you, except that you're a bunch freakish off-worlders coming from another time.
So ok i'm all for it. Now you'll have to keep to your own words that it has to be as simple as possible. And that will be no mean feat because as a matter of fact there's not a lot of choices for you here i fear. Either that launcher is so minimalist that it barely appears in the form of a filling bar if there is a patch (right before the splash screen), or it tries to accomplish a maximum of actions by itself to facilitate the remaining logging processes. And as i see it you've gone this second path more or less. Well, be prepared then cuz there's a lot of stuff we'd like this launcher to assume automatically, as this fellow capsuleer resumed in the above quote.
In a nutshell : this launcher definitely has to be able to manage TQ and SISI, manage as many accounts as possible on the same PC (or even network?) in one go for both patching and executing, and allow the player to actually log in from here so that the only thing left once ingame is to select a character. The number of mouse clicks stays the same and everyone's fingers are happy.
For the whole "configuration" of the launcher the box maniacs would have to go through, they would need to do it only once if the program keeps it all saved. And to be honest box adepts shouldn't be afraid of a bit of tweaking in the launcher if it's supposed to help'em big time afterward.
To sum it up : i'm quite happy to see a launcher coming to EVE, now make it excellent (and flawless eventually). |
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Luckytania
Bullets of Justice Damned Nation
25
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Posted - 2011.11.13 01:25:00 -
[251] - Quote
Just wanted to jump in as a member of the multiple machines, multiple accounts, multiple monitors club.
Until you have that scenario handled, this must not go live / be mandatory.
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Devs, you've done good by discussing work in progress and soliciting feedback.
Now, don't repeat chronic past CCP behavior of ignoring the feedback provided. |
Dawnel
Dawn of Tritanium
0
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Posted - 2011.11.13 07:56:00 -
[252] - Quote
My voice to the launcher-free eve.
I don't want to watch some launcher ads and add an extra click to get my client up, I can already see the news feed in the login screen. Eve will look more like a cheap Korean mmorpg with their launchers. I also run multiple instances, although I use just one install and run them all from it. I also don't get what is wrong with having to keep the game running while patching.
When I click the main executable of a game I want to launch the main game, not a launcher.
The launcher cannot be mandatory. |
Sherksilver
Indicium Technologies Hephaestus Forge Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.11.13 16:08:00 -
[253] - Quote
Hmmm. Wish I could say that I would like this - but to me it will just be a major PITA. I run multiple clients, and having to do extra clicks each and every time just to get past the launcher - ugh, more clicking...
Def joining the optional club. I hate game launchers... |
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CCP Mandrake
C C P C C P Alliance
18
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Posted - 2011.11.14 13:52:00 -
[254] - Quote
Just send out an update to the launcher, mostly just fixes but i also added a "only show launcher if update" options, i.e. if you check this option, you will only see the launcher window when the eve client needs to be updated.
But there where a lot of things posted here in this thread i didn't expect that needs some consideration, the goal of the launcher is not only to be convenient for for us when we send out updates, but more importantly it's supposed to be convenient for you, the players.
The content of the launcher window, ie. ads and such where just a placeholder, nothing has been decided as to what should be in there. But it seems pretty clear that it's not popular to fill it with "buy something" ads. Perhaps we should display something community related there that might be useful or interesting to someone waiting to enter the game. (balls, i just lost the game, again)
Static patches, also named fallback patches are something we where hoping to phase out, apparently that is not happening as a lot more players than expected use them.
i haven't read all of the 200+ posts in this thread, but as soon as i have, i'll do another post. stuff |
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Rhinanna
The Warped Corpe Cascade Probable
69
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Posted - 2011.11.14 14:17:00 -
[255] - Quote
Simple what to add, I'll even write the psuedo-code for you :)
If (user.sex == male){ If (user.age >= 18){ Show quafe girl doing dance } else { Show Cartoon } else{ If (user.age <= 18){ Show MyLittlePony } else { Show MyLittlePony (the one where they all die) } }
Yes, I'm a bad person ;)
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Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
110
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Posted - 2011.11.14 14:24:00 -
[256] - Quote
CCP Mandrake wrote: Static patches, also named fallback patches are something we where hoping to phase out, apparently that is not happening as a lot more players than expected use them..
for your patch issues, how about adding an option to put the download content on some folder, so that people who have multiple instlation can simply copy/paste it to another machine, and manually install it by launching some exe and saying to it that files needed are here ? |
Altolinchen
Sternenschauer AG Smacked Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.11.14 14:53:00 -
[257] - Quote
Hey CCP, I've got a few questions about that launcher..
Will I still be able to launch a client multiple times ? ( for example for multi boxing ?) ( You might now diskspace isn't that much with a SSD ... Windows takes 30GB EVE takes 20GB ( sisi etc. ) some other application suites and you're 128GB/160GB are full. ) Lucky me I've got an SSD as you mention at that post :D But sadly I've got only a real slow Internet connection. That's why I'm using 3x ADSL with about 150KB/s at load balancing. Well if I've got several EvE Clients open there are no problem's cause my router ( Astaro Gateway) splits the session to a different Internet connections so I can play pretty good without having a bad ping etc.
Now my Question about the "new" Launcher and downloading stuff... Will it still be possible to update a single client by using multiple IP's? Like today ? So it's possible to get the patches fast?
And another question about launching a few games the same time with that launcher - only if it's possible.
Right now I'm launching the same .exe up to 4-6 times and than chaining the the graphic options - so at max. there are 2 EvE Clients running at the same GPU ( got 3x NV 465GTX ) is this still possible?
Or will you add an option for multi boxing users ?
Well most people I know, who play EvE have at least 2 monitors and run it multi-boxing with at least 2 accounts. To tell the truth I know less people with one account than people with 2 or 3 or even more.
There must be something what can be done for them to make it easier with overview / settings in general like GPU etc. if they are multi boxing.
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce
51
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Posted - 2011.11.14 15:35:00 -
[258] - Quote
Still got issues with Win7-64 bit with internet explorer 8.0.760117514 Updated Versions: 0 got a down load message but no update wizard loaded.
A Win7- 32 bit computer with the same verision of explorer loads the update wizard just fine and patchs and loads smoothly. Links in the new version Specificly costomer support do not load.
Can all the functionality be added to the current EVE online main log in screen? The funtion of the new launcher and the current sisi launcher needs to be clarified as the Sisi launcher still has more functionality. |
mkint
326
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Posted - 2011.11.14 16:28:00 -
[259] - Quote
CCP Mandrake wrote: Static patches, also named fallback patches are something we where hoping to phase out, apparently that is not happening as a lot more players than expected use them.
Out of curiosity, isn't that data you guys should have already? Shouldn't you have a count of how many times a fallback patch has been downloaded? I know that doesn't tell you how many clients were updated off of each download, but at least it's a start.
Would be interesting if there was a little run-once-only script in the client that told the server how that particular install was updated, and track how many specific clients are updated in which ways. Not saying that data should be used as a deciding factor, but hundreds of people had to update their video cards for the hideous new portraits, if all 3 people who use fallback patches posted here, well, that would be interesting data.
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CCP Mandrake
C C P C C P Alliance
20
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Posted - 2011.11.14 17:19:00 -
[260] - Quote
Finally, after serveral cups of coffee, i've finished reading all posts and got some pointers going forward making the launcher.
1. The launcher shouldn't start up unless there is an update. I've currently added an option in the settings menu that makes the launcher not start up unless the eve client needs to be updated (version 0.22), but i'm seriously considering making that the default behavior and not requiering you to mark a checkbox to get that behavior. We did get a bit ahead of our selves here, the way we envisioned the launcher was to be able to type in your username and password into the launcher, select your character and enter the game directly when you hit play. We don't however have access to this behavior just yet, so until we can get that working, the launcher should be optional.
2. Less ads. Instead, links to forums, tip of the day type of thing or something more community oriented.
3. Patching multiple clients. This one is a bit tricky, because the launcher is embedded into the client, it can only update that client. it can't update other eve clients because it doesn't know about them. It seems to me that there is a need for improving the sisi launcher so that it could manage all your eve clients and not just the test clients, can't promise the ui will be made any prettier though.
4. Regular old static patches will have to be supported until the end of time.
5. Launcher needs a clear eve cache button.
6. Be able to set the download directory. Currently the launcher and all our patching tech download install/patch data to your default drive, usually named C: Being able to specify where you want the large amounts of data to be downloaded to can save some bother if your C: drive is running low on space.
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mkint
327
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Posted - 2011.11.14 17:36:00 -
[261] - Quote
CCP Mandrake wrote:Finally, after serveral cups of coffee, i've finished reading all posts and got some pointers going forward making the launcher.
1. The launcher shouldn't start up unless there is an update. I've currently added an option in the settings menu that makes the launcher not start up unless the eve client needs to be updated (version 0.22), but i'm seriously considering making that the default behavior and not requiering you to mark a checkbox to get that behavior. We did get a bit ahead of our selves here, the way we envisioned the launcher was to be able to type in your username and password into the launcher, select your character and enter the game directly when you hit play. We don't however have access to this behavior just yet, so until we can get that working, the launcher should be optional.
Your ability to understand user concerns has earned you a place on the "Best Devs" list.
I really hope once you've got launcher login functionality it's quicker than even the existing login. I don't know about other people, but for me even fractions of seconds count, especially on loading screens. |
Axl Borlara
T.R.I.A.D
2
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Posted - 2011.11.14 17:36:00 -
[262] - Quote
CCP Mandrake wrote:Finally, after serveral cups of coffee, i've finished reading all posts and got some pointers going forward making the launcher.
Just a note like this makes a huge difference. Knowing that CCP are reading things is vital.
Of course, the next step is doing something sensible having read our posts...
And everything you said makes sense! I particularly like the fact that you are willing, if not admit to mistakes, then at least change the plan based on feedback rather than carry on regardless.
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Valeo Galaem
New Eden Advanced Reconnaissance Unit Sentient World Observation and Response Directive
18
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Posted - 2011.11.14 17:37:00 -
[263] - Quote
CCP Mandrake wrote:We did get a bit ahead of our selves here, the way we envisioned the launcher was to be able to type in your username and password into the launcher, select your character and enter the game directly when you hit play. We don't however have access to this behavior just yet, so until we can get that working, the launcher should be optional. Wouldn't this deprive us of seeing the awesome login screen animations? |
Omega Tron
Amarr Mining Inc Technical Exploration Conglomerate of Hemera
4
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Posted - 2011.11.14 19:26:00 -
[264] - Quote
Just downloaded an update to the launcher program and it's working for me on my system. I like it. --- +1 It currently is reporting about Tranquility status, but the PLAY button takes me to Singularity. It looks like the other links are not enabled yet so no feedback for them. |
Tidwald
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.14 19:58:00 -
[265] - Quote
CCP Mandrake wrote:Finally, after serveral cups of coffee, i've finished reading all posts and got some pointers going forward making the launcher. ......
7. It need to behave nicely in a Windows environment - IT MUST NOT go changing access permissions to the 'C:\Program Files\CCP\SiSi' directory same applies to 'C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE' when rolled out to live.
When first run, launcher.exe asks for elevated privileges to lowerfolderprivs. I have no problems with allowing the elevated privileges when there is a clear need - such as when applying an update. But, changing the folder permissions to side-step the in built security is not acceptable.
When first run, after being updated with the SiSiLauncher, launcher appeared to download an update, ask for elevated privileges to run the updater (which is what I would expect), and an error dialog pops up "Errors occurred" - the logfile contains the following:
Traceback (most recent call last): File "launcher.py", line 29, in module File "localization\__init__.pyc", line 34, in LoadLocalizationData File "localization\localization.pyc", line 31, in __init__ File "localization\localization.pyc", line 58, in _LoadLanguageData File "xml\dom\minidom.pyc", line 1911, in parse File "xml\dom\expatbuilder.pyc", line 922, in parse IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'launcher/localization.xml'
That file 'launcher/localization.xml' exists, and existed before launcher was run.
Why are you changing the folder permissions? It can't be to allow the updater to run, as it correctly asks for elevated privileges. The main eve program correctly uses more appropriate locations for logs 'C:\Users\xxxxxx\Documents\EVE\logs' and specific folders under 'C:\Users\xxxxx\AppData\Local\CCP\EVE'. The launcher appears to write its main log to the later location so there really is no need to change the permissions on the Sisi folder under "Program Files". |
Ariane VoxDei
12
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:06:00 -
[266] - Quote
CCP Mandrake wrote:so until we can get that working, the launcher should be optional. I think you posted before having sufficient coffee levels.
We do not want mandatory launcher. So scrap that "until" bit and keep it optional. Dont care if it is default on, no doubt it is better for most of the uninformed masses without "needs" or even the knowledge that they might want to have needs, as long as we can make it go away.
That is unless you can convince us that it will be so awesom and give us as much control as various existing methods we use, most of the common of which have already been listed: parameters to eve.exe parameters to 'start' (affinity, priotity). setting environment variables (overriding "homedir" etc for multiaccount / separate overview settings per char) Lots of things that I have not heard that the launcher is going to grant us just yet.
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Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
68
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Posted - 2011.11.14 23:42:00 -
[267] - Quote
CCP Mandrake wrote:4. Regular old static patches will have to be supported until the end of time.
So when the last stars fade out, the last energy dissipates, the universe folds into itself (and some people are sitting in a restaurant enjoying a good meal and watching the show), the last coherent bit of information available up till the bitter end will be the last patch CCP ever made for EvE...... I know you build the best SF simulation game ever and plan to keep it that way in the future, but man, that's some impressive goal..... Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Rhinanna
The Warped Corpe Cascade Probable
69
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Posted - 2011.11.15 02:18:00 -
[268] - Quote
Suggestions:
Option - Persistent Launcher - Lancher stays open even after EvE has launched (handy for multiple clients) Option - Launch with profile - Custom buttons added to the launcher config, allows you to run eve with certain options pre-definded. Particually useful for people with dual screen, who sometimes want to run eve in one screen or the other and its a pain to switch them over in the options manually. Basically everything in the options could be setup as a profile, saved to the launcher where you could create a button to run it. Option - Auto create new build (sisi/traq), a new option to do this from the current code-base automatically would be nice. Option - Save account API, display important details on launcher load - aka subscription time remaining, skill queue time remaining, character location, current ship. Clicking an account would the game with that account username filled automatically, also specific profiles could be set for specific accounts. Options - Backup, import/export settings e.t.c for resolving eve problems when client won't load.
Make the launcher a (optional) tool, not just a patcher.
-The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it! Other names: Drenzul (WoT, WoW, Lineage 2, WarH, BloodBowl, BSG, SC2 and lots more)-á |
Sarina Berghil
New Zion Judge Advocate
15
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Posted - 2011.11.15 09:12:00 -
[269] - Quote
CCP Mandrake wrote: Static patches, also named fallback patches are something we where hoping to phase out, apparently that is not happening as a lot more players than expected use them.
To answer an earlier dev question, I have come to rely on fallback patches because it has been the only reliable way to patch the client for a while. Hopefully the new launcher will change that, but manual patching processes often have their uses in terms of versatility.
CCP Mandrake wrote: 3. Patching multiple clients. This one is a bit tricky, because the launcher is embedded into the client, it can only update that client. it can't update other eve clients because it doesn't know about them. It seems to me that there is a need for improving the sisi launcher so that it could manage all your eve clients and not just the test clients, can't promise the ui will be made any prettier though.
It makes the most sense for a particular instance of a client to only be responsible for its own patching. A meta launcher tool that can handle all clients could be an option, but it's probably simpler to rely on the fallback patches and the user's own discretion on how to handle it most efficiently. |
Spanking Monkeys
ZC Industries
7
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Posted - 2011.11.15 10:40:00 -
[270] - Quote
Ariane VoxDei wrote:CCP Mandrake wrote:so until we can get that working, the launcher should be optional. I think you posted before having sufficient coffee levels. We do not want mandatory launcher. So scrap that "until" bit and keep it optional. Dont care if it is default on, no doubt it is better for most of the uninformed masses without "needs" or even the knowledge that they might want to have needs, as long as we can make it go away. That is unless you can convince us that it will be so awesom and give us as much control as various existing methods we use, most of the common of which have already been listed: parameters to eve.exe parameters to 'start' (affinity, priotity). setting environment variables (overriding "homedir" etc for multiaccount / separate overview settings per char) Lots of things that I have not heard that the launcher is going to grant us just yet.
basicly needs to have a option to turn it off compleatly, until and only after it patches all installs(same pc) on the same downloaded data. thats the biggest issue i have with it in its current state, why shoudl i be made to download the same stuff 7 times?
unless your gonna add the little tick box we get now?(the clean up data box in case you didnt guess) |
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Sevena Black
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.15 10:51:00 -
[271] - Quote
The launcher would be a good idea if it increases your ability to launch EVE. That means you should be able to configure the way it works:
It replaces the current login screen
Allows server selection (SiSi, Tranquality etc)
It allows the launch of multiple clients
Patching should be specified for each client
Ability to preset launched characters per account
No advertisement / option to disable
Simply put: I click launch and things become easier and faster than they are now. |
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CCP Mandrake
C C P C C P Alliance
23
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Posted - 2011.11.15 11:22:00 -
[272] - Quote
Tidwald wrote:CCP Mandrake wrote:Finally, after serveral cups of coffee, i've finished reading all posts and got some pointers going forward making the launcher. ......
7. It need to behave nicely in a Windows environment - IT MUST NOT go changing access permissions to the 'C:\Program Files\CCP\SiSi' directory same applies to 'C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE' when rolled out to live. When first run, launcher.exe asks for elevated privileges to lowerfolderprivs. I have no problems with allowing the elevated privileges when there is a clear need - such as when applying an update. But, changing the folder permissions to side-step the in built security is not acceptable. When first run, after being updated with the SiSiLauncher, launcher appeared to download an update, ask for elevated privileges to run the updater (which is what I would expect), and an error dialog pops up "Errors occurred" - the logfile contains the following: Traceback (most recent call last): File "launcher.py", line 29, in module File "localization\__init__.pyc", line 34, in LoadLocalizationData File "localization\localization.pyc", line 31, in __init__ File "localization\localization.pyc", line 58, in _LoadLanguageData File "xml\dom\minidom.pyc", line 1911, in parse File "xml\dom\expatbuilder.pyc", line 922, in parse IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'launcher/localization.xml'That file 'launcher/localization.xml' exists, and existed before launcher was run. Why are you changing the folder permissions? It can't be to allow the updater to run, as it correctly asks for elevated privileges. The main eve program correctly uses more appropriate locations for logs 'C:\Users\xxxxxx\Documents\EVE\logs' and specific folders under 'C:\Users\xxxxx\AppData\Local\CCP\EVE'. The launcher appears to write its main log to the later location so there really is no need to change the permissions on the Sisi folder under "Program Files".
The reason for changing the folder security settings is so that you don-¦t have to get that popup asking for raised privileges every time you run the launcher, as you do right now when you run the installer, patches and repair tool. It only does this for the eve client folder, but the launcher will notice any file that is not in a state it is supposed to be in and "update" it to how it-¦s supposed to be. That makes up for lowering the folder security settings.
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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.15 11:34:00 -
[273] - Quote
Didn't read all pages but chiming in what I think many others will also say;
Everyone who plays EVE "for real" has multiple accounts. Make a launcher that patches multiple EVE clients on same PC smoothly and in one go. I don't want to run launcher three times to patch three clients for three accounts. I want to run it once.
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Aethlyn
46
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Posted - 2011.11.15 14:22:00 -
[274] - Quote
You can launch multiple clients from one folder while faking multiple installations. See my post earlier in this thread. This solution not only saves CCP dev time, it also keeps the launcher clean and easy to use, even for starters just testing the waters with only one account. You can't patch multiple files at once (without multiplying the work), so in the end the laziest solution would be to create/update hard-copies of all files, but then again I prefer the symbolic link solution. Looking for more thoughts? Read my blog or follow me on Twitter. |
La Merovingian
Veto. Veto Corp
7
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:01:00 -
[275] - Quote
Tidwald wrote:Mohr Cowbell wrote:Salpun wrote:
Sisi currently works for me. Using the sisi launcher forcing a repair did not add the new functionality. Did the Win7 64bit files not get updated?
The new files are there and a launcher exe that is 458 KB is size is in the folder but does not run anything when clicked on.
Same issue here on Win7-64. When I run the launcher, I can see the process appear in task manager for about a second, then it goes away. I also tried right-clicking the shortcut and selecting Run as Administrator. Exactly the same here, but on Win7-32.
CCP Mandrake, I'm quoting this again for emphasis.
There are several of us having this problem, and it wasn't mentioned after you had read all previous 200+ posts, my friend.
I'm sure the community would be more than happy to help troubleshoot this if you have some suggestions. |
Xendrais
Order Of The Star
0
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Posted - 2011.11.15 19:12:00 -
[276] - Quote
Very nice tool.
Could you add / change the way the Play button reacts AFTER you have clicked it. Presently it is not giving any feedback I can see confirming i have indeed clicked it and are only waiting for the game to start. Also, maybe it should be grayed out while the game is being updated / repaired. |
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CCP Mandrake
C C P C C P Alliance
23
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Posted - 2011.11.16 12:31:00 -
[277] - Quote
La Merovingian wrote:Tidwald wrote:Mohr Cowbell wrote:Salpun wrote:
Sisi currently works for me. Using the sisi launcher forcing a repair did not add the new functionality. Did the Win7 64bit files not get updated?
The new files are there and a launcher exe that is 458 KB is size is in the folder but does not run anything when clicked on.
Same issue here on Win7-64. When I run the launcher, I can see the process appear in task manager for about a second, then it goes away. I also tried right-clicking the shortcut and selecting Run as Administrator. Exactly the same here, but on Win7-32. CCP Mandrake, I'm quoting this again for emphasis. There are several of us having this problem, and it wasn't mentioned after you had read all previous 200+ posts, my friend. I'm sure the community would be more than happy to help troubleshoot this if you have some suggestions.
So i-¦m hoping this is the embedded browser causing this, we are working on replacing the current internet explorer browser with chromium, an update will be sent out as soon as that is ready.
but if you do care to help, it would be most helpful to get the launcher log file, it is located under "%localappdata%\CCP\EVE\c_program_files_ccp_eve" and is called launcher.log (the last folder name depends on where your eve install is located). stuff |
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce
61
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Posted - 2011.11.16 12:36:00 -
[278] - Quote
Just worked for me. Kicked me off all my eve installs.
One issue the animation on my launcher is not moveing. after I hit enter it works but not before. There is a bug report in for this not filtered yet.
Win7-32 bit works fine though. Its odd |
Aethlyn
46
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:22:00 -
[279] - Quote
The launcher issues (launcher disappears after patching) might be related to missing quotes around paths that might (and here do) contain spaces?
Quote:2011-11-09 20:45:27,878 - INFO - cmd: C:\Users\***\AppData\Local\CCP\EVE\e_games_eve online (singularity)\updater.exe /path=e:\games\eve online (singularity) /url="http://cdn1.eveonline.com/EveOnlineLauncher/launcherupdate_0_21.dat" /execute=launcher.exe Looking for more thoughts? Read my blog or follow me on Twitter. |
Tara Nighthawk
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.11.17 22:53:00 -
[280] - Quote
WOW has this - although at least there it can be turned off.
Either:
1. I play EVE
2. I update EVE
I don't want to do both at once. Since Incarna the game has been slow and jerky and unstable. Why would we still need something else to use up processing power and graphics capability?
Thankyou for the return of Ship Spinning. Now we can turn off the identical CQs and try to play the game. Occasionally, we can even undock or jump through a gate without the game freezing or crashing. It is especially hard to play a Gallente as there is always the fear of losing my drones when the game freezes up - not to mention getting my arse shot off as the interface stops responding and I have to relog to get it back.
Please concentrate on fixing the game so we can play at flying our ships around in space. If we wanted to watch little avatars running around in the Captain's Quarters, we could play SecondLife or The Sims3 - both of which allow much more variety in the avatar creation and the environment. The fact that The Sims3 has also been flaky since the Pets Expansion is neither here nor there.
Edit - Quote:The launcher is currently only available on Windows. That means that if you are playing EVE on a Mac you wonGÇÖt be able to enjoy it, our apologies.
This is the best news ever. So this crap is dumped on the Windows people and those of us on the Mac get to keep updating and running the game separate? We even get to keep the animated login screen. Thankyou CCP
One last point. Please stop giving us extra 'features' which nobody actually wants and make the game playable again - in spaceships - in space |
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Thaylon Sen
The Istari Syndicate
9
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Posted - 2011.11.18 09:52:00 -
[281] - Quote
Is it just me or does the launcher not show how much is due to be downloaded? It needs to. |
Viktor Starwind
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.18 18:57:00 -
[282] - Quote
For me launcher just didnt launch. It appears in process list for a second and than closes without any visible effects on screen. Win XP SP2 32bit. |
NaturalBeast
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2011.11.23 22:23:00 -
[283] - Quote
I had a chance to try the launcher. Actually didn't mind it and it worked well.
Couple of suggestions:
1. toggle between SISI and TQ 2. More color was too bland 3. Backup / restore settings / import fittings buttons
Anyway keep the ideas flowing. We have a game to save. |
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
156
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Posted - 2011.11.24 20:13:00 -
[284] - Quote
The launcher doesn't work for me either. I Support the Goons! |
rootimus maximus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2011.11.25 16:07:00 -
[285] - Quote
I love the general idea, but steam keeps my games updated while only taking up the space of a system tray icon. Any chance we could have the Eve launcher do the same? |
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CCP Mandrake
C C P C C P Alliance
26
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Posted - 2011.11.28 17:48:00 -
[286] - Quote
Aethlyn wrote:The launcher issues (launcher disappears after patching) might be related to missing quotes around paths that might (and here do) contain spaces? Quote:2011-11-09 20:45:27,878 - INFO - cmd: C:\Users\***\AppData\Local\CCP\EVE\e_games_eve online (singularity)\updater.exe /path=e:\games\eve online (singularity) /url="http://cdn1.eveonline.com/EveOnlineLauncher/launcherupdate_0_21.dat" /execute=launcher.exe
This could indeed be the cause of the launcher startup issue.
i have already fixed the missing quotes, but those that are having this issue never get that fix since the need to be able to update first... a bit of a catch-22
but there is a workaround, if the launcher doesnt start up, you can temporarily rename your eve folder so that it doesn't contain any spaces, run the launcher and it should then be able to update it self. then you can rename your eve folder back to contain spaces.
You can also run the repair tool to fix the launcher with the command: repair.exe --url=http://content.eveonline.com/321233/RepairData_321233.dat --whitelist=launcher/*
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Aethlyn
56
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Posted - 2011.11.28 20:54:00 -
[287] - Quote
Probably won't work. When I tried, repair.exe (when I had the issues) I had issues running from a path with spaces inside (as reported earlier). Unless that has been fixed too and is somehow patched already.
Never had issues using the classic SiSiLauncher tool, though.
Edit: Right now I'm unable to patch SiSi using the launcher.
It stalls after exactly 5%/28.25 KB (running version 0.26; after updating).
The debug log is empty.
I also noticed that both links, "Repair" and "Settings" open the settings window. Looking for more thoughts? Read my blog or follow me on Twitter. |
Mibad
Caldari Provisions
40
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:25:00 -
[288] - Quote
Any ETA when this will hit TQ or time frame you would like to complete this neat little bit of tech? |
Kallie Rae
NorCorp Security AAA Citizens
4
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Posted - 2011.12.03 15:47:00 -
[289] - Quote
Wondering the same, thought it would be included in the expansion, but doesn't look like it... |
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CCP Cascade
24
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Posted - 2011.12.05 15:39:00 -
[290] - Quote
The launcher will be released when it is ready. Expect at least another dev blog and feedback opportunities before it is deployed. Associate Technical Producer - Core Technology Group |
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Neo Agricola
BLACK-MARK
108
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Posted - 2011.12.05 15:53:00 -
[291] - Quote
CCP Cascade wrote:The launcher will be released when it is ready. Expect at least another dev blog and feedback opportunities before it is deployed.
I like the new attitude of CCP
Thx for the Info.
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Mibad
Caldari Provisions
40
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Posted - 2011.12.06 00:55:00 -
[292] - Quote
Good to know this hasn't been lost under the carpet. Can't wait for it CCP <3 |
Brakoo
Shiva
0
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Posted - 2011.12.10 02:00:00 -
[293] - Quote
Whether or not this has been mentioned, I think integrating the Sisi Launcher into the regular launcher would make for getting onto singularity that much easier.
Some kind of option to toggle what server you are connecting to, one that doesn't involve appending files and shortcuts for example. |
Sieges
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.01.03 17:34:00 -
[294] - Quote
The new Launcher should be made as transparently as possible to the players. I'd rather not have to press "Play" to get into the game every time...
I do really like the ability to change screen resolutions before launch. My laptop runs 1366x768 on its built-in screen and 1680x1050 when I am docked and using my external monitor. It would be very cool if the Launcher could auto-detect and run EVE full-screen in whichever resolution I happen to be running in. If I could have that, then pressing "Play" would be Ok |
Ryo Ishikawa
Cryptonym Sleepers Moon Warriors
1
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Posted - 2012.01.03 19:08:00 -
[295] - Quote
Please, just please.
For ****'s sake, test it with wine. Eve works. SiSi launcher works. Installer works. Patcher works.
We (Linux users) don't need another potential point of failure in an already tricky to get working but otherwise fine game, just to show some more flashy graphics.
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13 nonames
Jumpbridg KnightRaven Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:22:00 -
[296] - Quote
the idea is nice but everytime i open my sisi server it takes me back to tq when it put me on your new loader and says sisi has not updated |
Planek
Shiva Initiative Mercenaries
0
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Posted - 2012.02.28 07:06:00 -
[297] - Quote
With the current client I am able to launch multiple clients quickly. At some points times 10 clients at one time. With the new launcher I have to start multiple launchers and then launch the clients individually from those.
Feature Request: Add the ability to launch multiple clients. Leave the large "Launch button" but below it on a much shorter button, have a "Launch..." button or something similar that opens a menu for "Launch multiple clients", "Settings", "or any other feature requests that are coming in. Clicking on the launch multiple clients button would open up a window with a entry field for the number of clients you want to launch with a maximum of 10 or so so players don't accidentally blow up their computers. |
Shang Tsungin
Shirai Ryu
0
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Posted - 2012.03.01 11:48:00 -
[298] - Quote
When eve.exe is executed let it perform a call towards the server to check for an status and updates. When there is an update, a small new GUI will notify the player and give the player the choice to update yes or no ( Manually / by internet connectivity ). When choosing "Yes", the update disallows Exefile.exe from starting and eventually updates. When done you could let it start Eve.exe > check server status and version > start Exefile.
But please, by all means ... refrain from clutter. |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
51
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Posted - 2012.03.01 19:28:00 -
[299] - Quote
Ah yes, a new launcher that takes only 40 minutes to tell me I can't log in to sisi for the mass test. Nice going.
You want me to test your code, fine. You want me to sit around for 40 minutes while your patcher patches the patches? Forget it. |
Stuhami
The Black Legionnares BLACK-MARK
0
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Posted - 2012.03.02 22:39:00 -
[300] - Quote
Hello,
It would be great to incorporate singularity in the settings or options so you can choose which server you want to play in just by launching the launcher :P.
The launcher could automatically make the copy and install Files in the eve-copy folder ( could be named singularity ) .
This way people who are interested in testing eve's new features may do so without much effort.
This Equals:
More players in mass tests
Less hassle
Less mistakes by players
Secondary effects:
More players on singularity means more feedback
This includes bug reports, changes, Balancing.
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Dosage Maxius
Apex Outcats Sinewave Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.03.12 17:42:00 -
[301] - Quote
Neo Agricola wrote:CCP Cascade wrote: What feature would improve things for you?
Since you asked: my vision of a perfect launcher: 1. Single point of Entry: (I do have more than two accounts, so i have some eve installations on my pc) => Select which Character (!) you want to log in => launcher starts eve and you type in your PW and your Character is there. => Dream: (optional) Single sign on: i log on (UN/PW which are not the same as any EVE UN/PW) to the launcher and have all my chars available. i press one and the launcher startes eve and logs in the right char. => only downloading 1 time the patch to patch all installations (or better find a way to have only one installation for multiaccounting) => Copy setting from 1 Character to another (overview, Windowposition, marketwindow a.s.o.) => Downloading patches in Backround => posibility to distribute patches from 1 pc in your homenetwork to another (so if you have more than 1 PC you can config the Launcher that it askes the "ServerPC" in your homenetwork for an update!) => reduces trafik for those who dont have a big fancy internet conetion... => Change Settings for 1 Character (language, switch Autotarget = 0, a.s.o.) => Overview for all my char. Name, currently skilling X till date, Wallet, Docked in Y , Account expires on Date (or in x Days) => posibility to clear cach for Account / Char / installation 2. Informationwindow (optional,=> you turn it on/off and you can configure it as you like it) => Headline for the last 10 Dev Blogs => Headline for the last 10 Dev Forum Posts make as many things optional as possible, so you dont force someone to use it. Just my point of view.
What this guy said
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
863
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Posted - 2012.03.13 13:46:00 -
[302] - Quote
Dosage Maxius wrote:Neo Agricola wrote:CCP Cascade wrote: What feature would improve things for you?
Since you asked: my vision of a perfect launcher: 1. Single point of Entry: (I do have more than two accounts, so i have some eve installations on my pc) => Select which Character (!) you want to log in => launcher starts eve and you type in your PW and your Character is there. => Dream: (optional) Single sign on: i log on (UN/PW which are not the same as any EVE UN/PW) to the launcher and have all my chars available. i press one and the launcher startes eve and logs in the right char. => only downloading 1 time the patch to patch all installations (or better find a way to have only one installation for multiaccounting) => Copy setting from 1 Character to another (overview, Windowposition, marketwindow a.s.o.) => Downloading patches in Backround => posibility to distribute patches from 1 pc in your homenetwork to another (so if you have more than 1 PC you can config the Launcher that it askes the "ServerPC" in your homenetwork for an update!) => reduces trafik for those who dont have a big fancy internet conetion... => Change Settings for 1 Character (language, switch Autotarget = 0, a.s.o.) => Overview for all my char. Name, currently skilling X till date, Wallet, Docked in Y , Account expires on Date (or in x Days) => posibility to clear cach for Account / Char / installation 2. Informationwindow (optional,=> you turn it on/off and you can configure it as you like it) => Headline for the last 10 Dev Blogs => Headline for the last 10 Dev Forum Posts make as many things optional as possible, so you dont force someone to use it. Just my point of view. What this guy said
This too.
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Zeronic
Zero Core Labs United Abominations
5
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Posted - 2012.03.13 18:05:00 -
[303] - Quote
Is it possible to update more than one client path location, this would be really useful for those of us that us different client path for each account. IE Update Drive:\Eve Online1\; Drive:\Eve Online2\ and so on. For now I'll keep using GoodSync. |
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CCP Donut Golem
C C P C C P Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.03.13 19:10:00 -
[304] - Quote
Zeronic wrote:Hey CCP,
Is it possible to have 1 Launcher Update more than 1 client?
This would be really useful for those of us that us different client path for each account. IE Update Drive:\Eve Online1\; Drive:\Eve Online2\ and so on. For now I'll keep using GoodSync.
Please look into the Import/Export Patch options under the "Patches" tab in the Settings menu . |
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
747
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Posted - 2012.03.13 19:12:00 -
[305] - Quote
Zeronic wrote:Hey CCP,
Is it possible to have 1 Launcher Update more than 1 client?
This would be really useful for those of us that us different client path for each account. IE Update Drive:\Eve Online1\; Drive:\Eve Online2\ and so on. For now I'll keep using GoodSync.
If you had used junction points instead of physically separate folders, then a single run of the patcher would update all of your EVE installations at the same time.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Multiple_clients#Method_1_-_Junctions
With the bonus that EVE would take up less space on your hard drive. |
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CCP Donut Golem
C C P C C P Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.03.13 19:13:00 -
[306] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:Dosage Maxius wrote:Neo Agricola wrote:CCP Cascade wrote: What feature would improve things for you?
Since you asked: my vision of a perfect launcher: 1. Single point of Entry: (I do have more than two accounts, so i have some eve installations on my pc) => Select which Character (!) you want to log in => launcher starts eve and you type in your PW and your Character is there. => Dream: (optional) Single sign on: i log on (UN/PW which are not the same as any EVE UN/PW) to the launcher and have all my chars available. i press one and the launcher startes eve and logs in the right char. => only downloading 1 time the patch to patch all installations (or better find a way to have only one installation for multiaccounting) => Copy setting from 1 Character to another (overview, Windowposition, marketwindow a.s.o.) => Downloading patches in Backround => posibility to distribute patches from 1 pc in your homenetwork to another (so if you have more than 1 PC you can config the Launcher that it askes the "ServerPC" in your homenetwork for an update!) => reduces trafik for those who dont have a big fancy internet conetion... => Change Settings for 1 Character (language, switch Autotarget = 0, a.s.o.) => Overview for all my char. Name, currently skilling X till date, Wallet, Docked in Y , Account expires on Date (or in x Days) => posibility to clear cach for Account / Char / installation 2. Informationwindow (optional,=> you turn it on/off and you can configure it as you like it) => Headline for the last 10 Dev Blogs => Headline for the last 10 Dev Forum Posts make as many things optional as possible, so you dont force someone to use it. Just my point of view. What this guy said This too.
Thanks for your feedback . |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3415
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Posted - 2012.03.13 19:24:00 -
[307] - Quote
previous promotions that your marketing team work hard for and browsable just in case we might have missed it?
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Zeronic
Zero Core Labs United Abominations
5
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Posted - 2012.03.13 19:57:00 -
[308] - Quote
CCP Donut Golem wrote:Zeronic wrote:Hey CCP,
Is it possible to have 1 Launcher Update more than 1 client?
This would be really useful for those of us that us different client path for each account. IE Update Drive:\Eve Online1\; Drive:\Eve Online2\ and so on. For now I'll keep using GoodSync. Please look into the Import/Export Patch options under the "Patches" tab in the Settings menu .
Scrapyard Bob wrote:Zeronic wrote:Hey CCP,
Is it possible to have 1 Launcher Update more than 1 client?
This would be really useful for those of us that us different client path for each account. IE Update Drive:\Eve Online1\; Drive:\Eve Online2\ and so on. For now I'll keep using GoodSync. If you had used junction points instead of physically separate folders, then a single run of the patcher would update all of your EVE installations at the same time. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Multiple_clients#Method_1_-_JunctionsWith the bonus that EVE would take up less space on your hard drive.
Yeah I saw that CCP Donut Golem, but I like it be more automated, than me having to export, then import in to each client.
As far as Junction Point that is a nice system but I would use "Symbolic link"(s) instead. I have an Intel 320 80GB SSD just to run Eve, so space is not an issue for me. I'll have to try Symbolic Link and Per Core Client, to see if is cause an issues. This Per Core Client method helped prevent the DEPs errors. |
Katherine Starlight
Apex Tech Xenogenesis Alliance
36
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:47:00 -
[309] - Quote
http://i.solidfiles.net/3194c9cb52.png
It is a ripoff, i can tell by the pixels as ive seen many ripoffs in my time.
But really, exactly to the very very last pixel same size on the window etc? You could have reworked it slightly and made it more optimized at least, its too large and too bloaty. We want
1: dev blog / patch info links 2: that installing patches etc stuff bar 3: a PLAY button and you have a winning concept
I want to run adblock on the current looks, also i started the client with the launcher and tadaaah, got a patch notification will be installed with only an OK button. which means the launcher isnt doing the only thing it would be good for, patching the game. Its just a bloated obstacle to start the game. |
Aton RA
North Star Networks The Kadeshi
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 11:30:00 -
[310] - Quote
Hi guys
Mabye it's allready mentioned but sry too much to read.
What i would like to see the option for selecting the screen where you want to launch EvE.
In my case i have 2 screens for 2 chars i alway's have online. would be nice if i could assign the screen before eve actualy starts.
I hope it's usefull.
Regards Aton RA |
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Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.03.14 12:07:00 -
[311] - Quote
CCP Donut Golem wrote:Thanks for your feedback .
Also please give us an option to view the changelog in the launcher or at least put a link to the latest patch notes somewhere in there. "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Hans Momaki
State War Academy Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.03.14 23:50:00 -
[312] - Quote
No Improvement at all. Updating takes longer now.
Can this be improved please?
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Inanna Zuni
ZuniCorp
3
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:15:00 -
[313] - Quote
Well, it looks like this is the final straw to drive me away.
*Any* form of auto-patching will fail as I use neither Windows nor Apple natively. I use Wine (ie Linux) and we seem to have become the _very_ poor relation indeed. Where once there was a client we then, until this change, had to *download* the (windows) patch and apply it separately/manually. It cannot be done in the same way as a native Windows machine.
I've been around EVE for six years, and was even a member of the first CSM. But this looks like being the final straw, which is sad as I've been looking forward to (long-promised!) features.
Unless someone can tell me an alternative, that is ...
IZ |
Dako Semi
Core Factor
0
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Posted - 2012.03.15 16:13:00 -
[314] - Quote
Inanna Zuni wrote:Well, it looks like this is the final straw to drive me away.
*Any* form of auto-patching will fail as I use neither Windows nor Apple natively. I use Wine (ie Linux) and we seem to have become the _very_ poor relation indeed. Where once there was a client we then, until this change, had to *download* the (windows) patch and apply it separately/manually. It cannot be done in the same way as a native Windows machine.
I've been around EVE for six years, and was even a member of the first CSM. But this looks like being the final straw, which is sad as I've been looking forward to (long-promised!) features.
Unless someone can tell me an alternative, that is ...
IZ
Can i have your stuffs plz :)
I think they will be able to fix you some posebilaties, at least i hope. Would be a shame if people would stop just becouse of a patch programme.
Regards Dako |
XeonXecutive
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.15 17:16:00 -
[315] - Quote
There's some ******** launcher showing up when i want to log into eve. looks like something from some gay rpg game. I am not impressed to say the least. get rid of it. make separate exe for the launcher and gameclient ffs. |
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