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CCP Rise
C C P C C P Alliance
3535
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Posted - 2014.01.31 13:26:00 -
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Hello
I made a small announcement last night on the 1.1 live stream but I'm sure many of you missed that so I wanted to make a post to let as many of you know as possible.
We've been thinking for awhile about the issue of cost to power ratio for the Sisters of EVE ships, and especially the Nestor. A lot of your feedback has been on this issue, with a large focus on how difficult it is to justify paying the price of the Nestor, and we tend to agree. There are a few reasons we ended up in this position to begin with. The first is that we wanted to set the high sec LP offers for these ships above normal pirate faction LP prices. This still stands and the reason is very simple; you should get a better deal for pirate faction ships when you take the risk of leaving high sec. The second piece, which ties with the first, is that Sisters of EVE LP is very valuable because of demand for Sisters Probe Launchers and implant sets. That means the ISK conversion on ships like the Nestor would never be worthwhile as long as demand for probe launchers was higher, which will likely always be the case. Last, we could have tried to make the Nestor powerful enough to justify the huge price-tag. We really didn't want to go with this option and create a ship basically in a class of its own which would cause a lot of balance headaches.
So, here's what we're going to do: starting in the next major Rubicon patch (which I don't have a date for, but is not very far off), Rogue Drones will start occasionally dropping nexus chips which you will be able to trade in at any Sisters of EVE agent for a one-run BPC of either a Nestor, Stratios or Astero. The chips will be called Rogue Drone 46-X Nexus Chip, Rogue Drone 43-X Nexus Chip and Rogue Drone 42-X Nexus Chip respectively, and they will drop at a very similar rate to other pirate faction BPC drops in null sec.
This should provide a nice pressure valve for the prices on Sisters of EVE ships and also give a little boost to the drone regions, two things we are happy about.
Have fun out there and take care of all those new people this weekend |
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1208
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Posted - 2014.01.31 13:27:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Hello I made a small announcement last night on the 1.1 live stream but I'm sure many of you missed that so I wanted to make a post to let as many of you know as possible. We've been thinking for awhile about the issue of cost to power ratio for the Sisters of EVE ships, and especially the Nestor. A lot of your feedback has been on this issue, with a large focus on how difficult it is to justify paying the price of the Nestor, and we tend to agree. There are a few reasons we ended up in this position to begin with. The first is that we wanted to set the high sec LP offers for these ships above normal pirate faction LP prices. This still stands and the reason is very simple; you should get a better deal for pirate faction ships when you take the risk of leaving high sec. The second piece, which ties with the first, is that Sisters of EVE LP is very valuable because of demand for Sisters Probe Launchers and implant sets. That means the ISK conversion on ships like the Nestor would never be worthwhile as long as demand for probe launchers was higher, which will likely always be the case. Last, we could have tried to make the Nestor powerful enough to justify the huge price-tag. We really didn't want to go with this option and create a ship basically in a class of its own which would cause a lot of balance headaches. So, here's what we're going to do: starting in the next major Rubicon patch (which I don't have a date for, but is not very far off), Rogue Drones will start occasionally dropping nexus chips which you will be able to trade in at any Sisters of EVE agent for a one-run BPC of either a Nestor, Stratios or Astero. The chips will be called Rogue Drone 46-X Nexus Chip, Rogue Drone 43-X Nexus Chip and Rogue Drone 42-X Nexus Chip respectively, and they will drop at a very similar rate to other pirate faction BPC drops in null sec. This should provide a nice pressure valve for the prices on Sisters of EVE ships and also give a little boost to the drone regions, two things we are happy about. Have fun out there and take care of all those new people this weekend
within 10 minutes.. SOE LP prices will crash due to community over reaction.
Also considering the recent titanomancy.. you shoudl make drone region drop titan bpcs :P "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2140
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Posted - 2014.01.31 13:28:00 -
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So are high and low sec drone sites still worthless then? Or will these nexus chips drop from those also. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1461
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Posted - 2014.01.31 13:47:00 -
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Cool |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
972
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Posted - 2014.01.31 13:48:00 -
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Sounds cool Signature Tanking - Best Tanking. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2897
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Posted - 2014.01.31 13:59:00 -
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This highsec nerf brought to you by something something cartel blah blah... whatever, I'm sure Dinsdale will turn up shortly to do it right. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Richard TheLordOfDance
Legendary Umbrellas Insidious Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.01.31 14:03:00 -
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So this is gonna drop from rats?
I like that drone space is getting some attention but you may be fixing something that doesn't need fixing right now... The rats aren't that broken, you can make a decent living of rat bounties, what needs more attention is exploration in drone space. How about putting them in hacking sites or something similar instead? the loot in those are pretty much useless compared to other regions at the moment. You're better of taking a wh to another region (or just run whs) if you want to have a chance of making more than a couple of millions per week from them.
Just saying |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
268
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Posted - 2014.01.31 14:07:00 -
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mynnna wrote:This highsec nerf brought to you by something something cartel blah blah... whatever, I'm sure Dinsdale will turn up shortly to do it right. In all honesty, that's what I can me here for.
If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Grarr Dexx
Snuff Box
316
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Posted - 2014.01.31 14:21:00 -
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Will there finally be a purpose for running drone DEDs in lowsec? |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4515
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Posted - 2014.01.31 14:25:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Hello I made a small announcement last night on the 1.1 live stream but I'm sure many of you missed that so I wanted to make a post to let as many of you know as possible. We've been thinking for awhile about the issue of cost to power ratio for the Sisters of EVE ships, and especially the Nestor. A lot of your feedback has been on this issue, with a large focus on how difficult it is to justify paying the price of the Nestor, and we tend to agree. There are a few reasons we ended up in this position to begin with. The first is that we wanted to set the high sec LP offers for these ships above normal pirate faction LP prices. This still stands and the reason is very simple; you should get a better deal for pirate faction ships when you take the risk of leaving high sec. The second piece, which ties with the first, is that Sisters of EVE LP is very valuable because of demand for Sisters Probe Launchers and implant sets. That means the ISK conversion on ships like the Nestor would never be worthwhile as long as demand for probe launchers was higher, which will likely always be the case. Last, we could have tried to make the Nestor powerful enough to justify the huge price-tag. We really didn't want to go with this option and create a ship basically in a class of its own which would cause a lot of balance headaches. So, here's what we're going to do: starting in the next major Rubicon patch (which I don't have a date for, but is not very far off), Rogue Drones will start occasionally dropping nexus chips which you will be able to trade in at any Sisters of EVE agent for a one-run BPC of either a Nestor, Stratios or Astero. The chips will be called Rogue Drone 46-X Nexus Chip, Rogue Drone 43-X Nexus Chip and Rogue Drone 42-X Nexus Chip respectively, and they will drop at a very similar rate to other pirate faction BPC drops in null sec. This should provide a nice pressure valve for the prices on Sisters of EVE ships and also give a little boost to the drone regions, two things we are happy about. Have fun out there and take care of all those new people this weekend
This is excellent, as Rogue Drones sites spawn all over space already. OMG why didn't i think of that?
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Steph Livingston
Neko's Blanket
6
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Posted - 2014.01.31 14:35:00 -
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Another option that I'd like to see is: Have each cosmic anomaly/site have a very small chance of spawning a SoE ship which you can assist in a simple objective (hack a specific canister, protect it from pirates etc), or fight (if that's your thing), in exchange for loot.
It would show the SoE pursuing their goals in game and provide an alternate game-play mechanic to obtain SoE loot, seems like a Win-win to me. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4516
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Posted - 2014.01.31 14:38:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote: The second piece, which ties with the first, is that Sisters of EVE LP is very valuable because of demand for Sisters Probe Launchers and implant sets.
One more thing (I think related to your announcement). Are their any thoughts of increasing the LP costs of those items to match the ships. It now strikes me as odd that you pay more for a Sister's ship in high sec than in null but the probes, probe launchers and implant sets cost the same. I think that would be more balanced and in line with the "available in high sec, but more profitable tio aquire outside of high sec" theme you guys introduced with the ships. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4516
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Posted - 2014.01.31 14:38:00 -
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Steph Livingston wrote:Another option that I'd like to see is: Have each cosmic anomaly/site have a very small chance of spawning a SoE ship which you can assist in a simple objective (hack a specific canister, protect it from pirates etc), or fight (if that's your thing), in exchange for loot.
It would show the SoE pursuing their goals in game and provide an alternate game-play mechanic to obtain SoE loot, seems like a Win-win to me.
That would be so cool lol. |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
861
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Posted - 2014.01.31 14:40:00 -
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So they will drop in DED sites? German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Ix Method
Gang Plank Industries
98
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Posted - 2014.01.31 14:42:00 -
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This is pretty much perfect. Go you Travelling at the speed of love. |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
451
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Posted - 2014.01.31 14:49:00 -
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This is pretty interesting, maybe if a wifder variety of loot was added to rogue drones they would have sites worth running. However this is a step in the right direction. "The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! *pops more corn*" ---Evernub-- |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1700
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Posted - 2014.01.31 14:49:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Hello after PL lost 4.5 trilltion isk we are going to make thier home the drone regions drop really valuable bpc's so they can make thier money back
I love the drone regions btw... I was in FREGE! There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2178
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Posted - 2014.01.31 14:54:00 -
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mynnna wrote:This highsec nerf brought to you by something something cartel blah blah... whatever, I'm sure Dinsdale will turn up shortly to do it right.
Pretty much you said it all. You know you own the game when you can be so arrogant about it. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2178
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Posted - 2014.01.31 14:58:00 -
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Oh, and Rise, another thing.
Way to go on letting market forces dictate economic costs. Nice to see you let the game be a "sandbox", as you so like to say, except when you want to help out a null sec area, and nerf the **** out of another high sec income stream. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4517
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Posted - 2014.01.31 14:59:00 -
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Can mynnna call it or what lol? Here comes Dinsdale like clock work. |
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1486
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:04:00 -
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Damnit Rise, I haven't had a chance to liquidate my Sanctuary LP yet. I saw the livestream, but you weren't supposed to actually TELL anyone yet.
I'm sure clarification will come, but here's my question on these chips, just to get you thinking.
I assume this will only drop from faction/sentient drone spawns? It would be great if they also got added to drone site exploration tables, which are currently empty of valuable stuff. I don't know the mechanics of Eve's loot tables, but the nexus chips should probably drop at a higher absolute rate than pirate faction spawns. Just to make up for the crappy loot table of sentient drones. This looks like one very small but noticeable step toward making drone sites worth running. There needs to be more. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1023
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:04:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Can mynnna call it or what lol? Here comes Dinsdale like clock work. I blame your over arrogant actual request for a nerf on something that hasn't been an issue for years & years. Not the initial change. Which I'm pretty sure will have minimal impact once panic stops. |
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CCP Rise
C C P C C P Alliance
3540
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:04:00 -
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Any sites that spawn 'Sentient' Rogue Drone Frigates, Cruisers or Battleships can now drop these items.
I should say that while there may be some small initial change in the price of Sisters items on the market (potentially Sisters ship prices going up until this change hits for instance) because of this announcement, the long term value of Sisters LP won't be affected at all because of the reason stated above: the LP:ISK value is controlled by probe launchers and implants rather than Sisters ships. |
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Grarr Dexx
Snuff Box
317
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:08:00 -
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What about the Lesser Strain Mother from the lowsec 5/10 drone DED? |
stoicfaux
3985
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:08:00 -
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Why do the Sisters want drone chips?
edit: Wait, so the SoE ships' drone bonus comes from salvaged Rogue Drone technology? This isn't going to end well, is it? WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1023
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:13:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Why do the Sisters want drone chips?
edit: Wait, so the SoE ships' drone bonus comes from salvaged Rogue Drone technology? This isn't going to end well, is it? We knew that already, just look at their epic arc ending :P |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4518
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:14:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Can mynnna call it or what lol? Here comes Dinsdale like clock work. I blame your over arrogant actual request for a nerf on something that hasn't been an issue for years & years. Not the initial change. Which I'm pretty sure will have minimal impact once panic stops.
Try again, and English this time. ie WTF are you smoking this time?
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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1701
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:14:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Can mynnna call it or what lol? Here comes Dinsdale like clock work.
its what keeps me happy at work There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
502
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:15:00 -
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wtb: rogue drone or fed navy DDAs |
Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:15:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:(potentially Sisters ship prices going up until this change hits for instance) That makes no sense at all. Anyone with a nestor is going to immediately dump it back on the market to try and avoid losing isk when the change hits and they get devalued to the point of rattlesnake hulls. The same thing will happen with the stratios but less so because the stratios is actually useful. |
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