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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:22:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Why do the Sisters want drone chips?
edit: Wait, so the SoE ships' drone bonus comes from salvaged Rogue Drone technology? This isn't going to end well, is it? We knew that already, just look at their epic arc ending :P "Sisters" of EVE. Rogue Drones. A lot of hive/colony animals (e.g. bees, ants) are predominately female...
/stocks_up_on_droid_restraining_bolts
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1488
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:27:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Any sites that spawn 'Sentient' Rogue Drone Frigates, Cruisers or Battleships can now drop these items.
I should say that while there may be some small initial change in the price of Sisters items on the market (potentially Sisters ship prices going up until this change hits for instance) because of this announcement, the long term value of Sisters LP won't be affected at all because of the reason stated above: the LP:ISK value is controlled by probe launchers and implants rather than Sisters ships.
I appreciate the feedback. And on the whole I think this is a really good idea to both buff drones rats and get some Nestors into actual circulation. I'm about to nitpick your analysis a bit though.
Unless sisters LP has already returned to its original value (can correct me here but i doubt it has), the demand for ships has increased the value of sisters LP over what was originally determined by the implants, launchers, and probes. The only possible scenario where sisters LP would be determined solely by demand for those things would be if the chips and sanctuary LP together can satisfy ALL of the demand for the ships, leading to a situation where those ships are suboptimal uses of sisters LP but still optimal uses of sanctuary LP.
If a lot of these chips drop, the advantage of running sanctuary missions will be significantly reduced, so keep that in mind.
Sister's ship prices have decreased steadily this week as people realized the Nestor would be a flop at least initially and people cash in their LP, there's no reason to think they won't continue to decrease with this change on the horizon. I'm not sure why you think they could trend upward temporarily.
TrouserDeagle wrote:wtb: rogue drone or fed navy DDAs Sister's DDAs!!!!! Available from the sanctuary! "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
972
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:32:00 -
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Will the level 5 missions involving drones drop these ? Signature Tanking - Best Tanking. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2178
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:34:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Any sites that spawn 'Sentient' Rogue Drone Frigates, Cruisers or Battleships can now drop these items.
I should say that while there may be some small initial change in the price of Sisters items on the market (potentially Sisters ship prices going up until this change hits for instance) because of this announcement, the long term value of Sisters LP won't be affected at all because of the reason stated above: the LP:ISK value is controlled by probe launchers and implants rather than Sisters ships.
The long term value of Sisters LP just got hammered. You guys at CCP are always stating quite proudly that you want the players to dictate market conditions. Now we have you openly stating that SoE LP is too valuable.
That flies completely in the face of the ethos of Eve.
Stick with wrecking ships and Rapid Launchers. You understanding of Eve economics is just plain wrong. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
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CCP Rise
C C P C C P Alliance
3542
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:34:00 -
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Edited my post because I think you're probably right. We were talking yesterday about how announcing this might mean that even less people would cash in LP for ships and so the supply would tighten between now and when this goes live, potentially pushing prices up. I guess we'll see, but your argument makes sense. It also may be that announcing this now simply won't have much of an effect on the market in the mean time. |
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Combat Wombatz
Martyr's Vengence Nulli Secunda
22
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:37:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Edited my post because I think you're probably right. We were talking yesterday about how announcing this might mean that even less people would cash in LP for ships and so the supply would tighten between now and when this goes live, potentially pushing prices up. I guess we'll see, but your argument makes sense. It also may be that announcing this now simply won't have much of an effect on the market in the mean time.
It has to be announced sooner or later. Might as well do it now and get the knee-jerking out of the way. |
KiithSoban
Big Johnson's PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
27
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:40:00 -
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Woah, hold on here. The price of the strat is in a very good place.
However, the price of the Nestor needs to be more in the range of 1.2 bil to 900mil. Also, the astero could receive a 20% reduction in cost.
*This bias is brought to you by a player training his alt to run lvl4s for sisters, who currently runs relics in null on that same alt and would be more excited to see individual players fight in such sites. Also, my main fights in 10-20 man WH and lowsec gangs. I fully appreciate the power of the strat relative to that of other dps ships that can cloak.* I want to see logi appear on killmails! (by just repping)-á See CSM "reasonable things" |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4522
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:40:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Any sites that spawn 'Sentient' Rogue Drone Frigates, Cruisers or Battleships can now drop these items.
I should say that while there may be some small initial change in the price of Sisters items on the market (potentially Sisters ship prices going up until this change hits for instance) because of this announcement, the long term value of Sisters LP won't be affected at all because of the reason stated above: the LP:ISK value is controlled by probe launchers and implants rather than Sisters ships. The long term value of Sisters LP just got hammered. You guys at CCP are always stating quite proudly that you want the players to dictate market conditions. Now we have you openly stating that SoE LP is too valuable. That flies completely in the face of the ethos of Eve. Stick with wrecking ships and Rapid Launchers. You understanding of Eve economics is just plain wrong.
You have issues with reality. The Rogue Drones sites aren't going to drop probes, probe launchers, or virtue implants. The Ships fluffed up Sisters Lp values and this addition does nothing to change this at all. It just means the ships will end up being cheaper.
I remember you telling me that you were doing Sisters missions in your Paladin for Stratios BPCs. It's eye openning to see how you react to a change that is good for the game (by making Sister's ships more affordable to the masses) but bad for your personal wallet. You're reaction is very CARTELish in nature. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1489
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:41:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: The long term value of Sisters LP just got hammered. You guys at CCP are always stating quite proudly that you want the players to dictate market conditions. Now we have you openly stating that SoE LP is too valuable.
CCP giveth, and CCP taketh away.
I didn't see you complaining when they added SOE level 4 agents to hisec. Those agents are the REAL reason the value will plummet. Also, SOE LP will be fine, as it was ALREADY very valuable prior to the introduction of the SOE ships. This is primarily a nerf to ebil nullsec pure blind cartel goon mission runners. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Klingon Admiral
Black Hole Cluster
75
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:44:00 -
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Can you please break The Anomaly 3/3 again, so that all spawns are faction spawns? :D
Seriously though, good change, and I say that as a highsec-person. |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4524
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:45:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: The long term value of Sisters LP just got hammered. You guys at CCP are always stating quite proudly that you want the players to dictate market conditions. Now we have you openly stating that SoE LP is too valuable.
CCP giveth, and CCP taketh away. I didn't see you complaining when they added SOE level 4 agents to hisec. Those agents are the REAL reason the value will plummet. Also, SOE LP will be fine, as it was ALREADY very valuable prior to the introduction of the SOE ships. This is primarily a nerf to ebil nullsec pure blind cartel goon mission runners.
Well said. it means that people like me (who don't live anywhere near pure blind) have a reason to do the random rogue drone anomalies that pop up from time to time in our non-drone regions. But yea it is a nerf to Pure Blind mission runners because most of them were taking advantage of the cheaper LP costs for the ships.
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1490
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:48:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:We were talking yesterday about how announcing this might mean that even less people would cash in LP for ships and so the supply would tighten between now and when this goes live, potentially pushing prices up.
okay, I at least see the reasoning here. Given a close LP/isk ratio on both probes and ships they might choose probes, anticipating the price of ships dropping, but that would be quickly moderated by the next guy choosing to cash out in BPCs. The long term LP value is not expected to go up, so announcing this wouldn't encourage people to hold onto their LP. Thanks for elaborating. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Combat Wombatz
Martyr's Vengence Nulli Secunda
22
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:51:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: The long term value of Sisters LP just got hammered. You guys at CCP are always stating quite proudly that you want the players to dictate market conditions. Now we have you openly stating that SoE LP is too valuable.
CCP giveth, and CCP taketh away. I didn't see you complaining when they added SOE level 4 agents to hisec. Those agents are the REAL reason the value will plummet. Also, SOE LP will be fine, as it was ALREADY very valuable prior to the introduction of the SOE ships. This is primarily a nerf to ebil nullsec pure blind cartel goon mission runners.
This man, right here. |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2143
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:52:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Any sites that spawn 'Sentient' Rogue Drone Frigates, Cruisers or Battleships can now drop these items. So the low end rated complexes will still be ignored, they have no sentient spawn. But the unrated complexes have a chance.
Can you consider anything else for the drone sites, they have been devistated by the over buff loot drops from relic sites. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon Backseat Promises
1005
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Posted - 2014.01.31 16:08:00 -
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what about having drone sites drop asteros in highsec, stratios in lowsec, and nestors in nullsec?
(You know, like how guristas drop worms in highsec, gilas in lowsec, and rattlers in null?)
My mistake if this is what you are proposing.
The reason I say this is because drone sites are extremely useless in lowsec/highsec space at the moment. It would be a good idea to make them worth running. (I'm talking about Ruins, Outgrowth rogue drone hive, rogue drone infestation sprout, etc.) |
Qalix
Long Jump.
64
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Posted - 2014.01.31 16:10:00 -
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Someone took pity on PL. |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
300
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Posted - 2014.01.31 16:31:00 -
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All pirate ships have BPCs that drop from plexes. So SoE ship BPCs should drop from plexes.
All pirate missions are in null and have LP stores that sell pirate ships/BPCs. So SoE ships/BPCs should only be allowed to be sold from the Sanctuary corp LP store.
It is really the only way to make them fair and in balance to the other pirate hulls.
Or you could introduce pirate-coop npc corps in hisec that have equivalent ship/BPC LP prices that SoE currently has.
My .02 isk.
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Jamir Von Lietuva
LDK Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
3
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Posted - 2014.01.31 17:10:00 -
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wow this is another nerf to hisec and big buff to null pirat what ccp think all player will leave and crash the economy |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1209
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Posted - 2014.01.31 17:15:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Any sites that spawn 'Sentient' Rogue Drone Frigates, Cruisers or Battleships can now drop these items.
I should say that while there may be some small initial change in the price of Sisters items on the market because of this announcement, the long term value of Sisters LP won't be affected because of the reason stated above: the LP:ISK value is controlled by probe launchers and implants rather than Sisters ships.
That is why I said will crash due to players overreaction.... "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Wotan Rexus
Pawnstars INC The Obsidian Front
22
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Posted - 2014.01.31 17:16:00 -
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Good idea, Rise. Geopolitically speaking, the Drone regions sourly needed a boost. The sov-games seemed a little clustered, lately. This might spread it out a bit, so the the enormous task of redeploying giant fleets, will be even harder. Makes it easier for other lesser regional players, renters etc. To get a chance to grow.
Ofc, this is speculation, on my part. But initially, it looks kosher, in that optic. Personally, i dont give 2 cents for the market arguments. Lord knows that the maverick traders, scammers and other invertabrates have plenty of opportunities and isk, as it is. Funding for large operations seems to be doing alright (ie. The biggest fight ever just happened...). So what if the Sisters LPs dont present an even larger buisness opportunity for one particular demography? At least we will have some hopefully very cool ships to play with. If they are expensive, then make more isk. EVE is about isk, in the end. So everybody should at least ensure their isk-earning abilities. And with these new incentives for PvE, who knows? Might even be fun to rat in Drone-null again:-) "An expert is a person, that have failed in every aspect, in a narrow field"-á-á --á N. Bohr |
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1792
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Posted - 2014.01.31 17:25:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Oh, and Rise, another thing.
Way to go on letting market forces dictate economic costs. Nice to see you let the game be a "sandbox", as you so like to say, except when you want to help out a null sec area, and nerf the **** out of another high sec income stream.
right on cueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
JackEuchre
Order Collective The Obsidian Front
13
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Posted - 2014.01.31 17:34:00 -
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This is a GOOD thing for eve.
Consider that to get a Macharial, very few toons are missioning for Angels and cashing in 800k LP. Instead, they are doing 8/10s, 10/10s and hoping for the 1 in a million drop on a belt.
All the pirate ships have that option, in addition to missioning, and the SOE ships were pegged in price to the Pirate Faction ships. This does bring in balance. But if you try to compare to Navy faction, even those have FW stores for reduced rates. SOE had NO equivalent alternative to get the ships but to grind missions non stop....
Drones have been completely useless and irrelevant since they took away the mineral drops. Their bounties are ok, but Blood Raiders rats in Stain are way more valuable - and those could drop a Bhalgorn. Drones needed a balance.
JackEuchre |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
505
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Posted - 2014.01.31 17:36:00 -
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I, for one, welcome our new PL Nestor fleet overlords. Free Ripley Weaver! |
JackEuchre
Order Collective The Obsidian Front
13
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Posted - 2014.01.31 17:43:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Oh, and Rise, another thing.
Way to go on letting market forces dictate economic costs. Nice to see you let the game be a "sandbox", as you so like to say, except when you want to help out a null sec area, and nerf the **** out of another high sec income stream. right on cueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Then they need to nerf Guristas areas so they don't drop Rattlesnakes, Gilas and Worms or any PITH type loot. |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Awakened.
198
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Posted - 2014.01.31 17:43:00 -
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Personally I would have preferred that the Nestor was made into a more useful and focused ship.
I still won't buy one but at least with this change I might make one if I find a BPC. |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
374
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Posted - 2014.01.31 17:48:00 -
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The data/relics could use a boost in some way as well. In most of nullsec, you have the prospect of finding faction tower BPCs which can be worth quite a lot.
In drone space? Oh yeah, faction drone BPC worth 10m!! YAYYYyyyy..... |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1825
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Posted - 2014.01.31 17:55:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Oh, and Rise, another thing.
Way to go on letting market forces dictate economic costs. Nice to see you let the game be a "sandbox", as you so like to say, except when you want to help out a null sec area, and nerf the **** out of another high sec income stream. this is pure gold. covered in gold and in a gold case with a golden ribbon on top.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Beta Maoye
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2014.01.31 17:59:00 -
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Qalix wrote:Someone took pity on PL. Let's hope PL can rally their forces again. |
Kat Ayclism
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
209
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:07:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:CCP Rise wrote:Hello after PL lost 4.5 trilltion isk we are going to make thier home the drone regions drop really valuable bpc's so they can make thier money back I love the drone regions btw... I was in FREGE! CCP PL uses CCP SOLOBACK as forum meatshield just as we use everyone else as a meatshield :911:
stoicfaux wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Why do the Sisters want drone chips?
edit: Wait, so the SoE ships' drone bonus comes from salvaged Rogue Drone technology? This isn't going to end well, is it? We knew that already, just look at their epic arc ending :P "Sisters" of EVE. Rogue Drones. A lot of hive/colony animals (e.g. bees, ants) are predominately female... /stocks_up_on_droid_restraining_bolts Sisters of EVE = 3 Es Es are backwards 3s Halflife 3 confirmed. |
JackEuchre
Order Collective The Obsidian Front
15
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:13:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Oh, and Rise, another thing.
Way to go on letting market forces dictate economic costs. Nice to see you let the game be a "sandbox", as you so like to say, except when you want to help out a null sec area, and nerf the **** out of another high sec income stream. this is pure gold. covered in gold and in a gold case with a golden ribbon on top.
I would agree except Sentinent drones spawn in Hierarchies which spawn in ALL areas of Eve, not just drone regions. Just saying, I see drone site anomalies everywhere I go. When in Drone regions, I don't see Angel sites though. I don't see Guristas sites. |
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