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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
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Posted - 2014.02.06 19:36:00 -
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I bought a Nestor BPC via the LP store, built the Nestor, and it will likely stay in my hangar because the ship is gankbait at today's prices. I don't mind the loot drops if it means the prices drop drastically. Besides, like Rise said, most people do SOE missions for the launchers, probes, and implants, so it won't affect much in the long run. |

Adam Lyon
Lonetrek Blacksoul Federation Blacksoul Tribal Nation
6
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Posted - 2014.02.06 20:19:00 -
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
344
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Posted - 2014.02.07 01:05:00 -
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Now I realize why we have the Nestor: so that the Rattlesnake is no longer the worst pirate faction battleship. http://eveion.blogspot.com/ |

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
804
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Posted - 2014.02.07 11:51:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:I bought a Nestor BPC via the LP store, built the Nestor, and it will likely stay in my hangar because the ship is gankbait at today's prices. I don't mind the loot drops if it means the prices drop drastically. Besides, like Rise said, most people do SOE missions for the launchers, probes, and implants, so it won't affect much in the long run. Except the absurdity that having the SOE ships as offers in the SOE Loyalty Point store is pointless, when there is a much cheaper option available.
I have seen very few complaints about the market price of the Astero and Stratios; apparently people think the ships are worth it. Only the Nestor blew the proportions to hell. Pricing the Nestor at 500.000 LP would have been a far better move to bring the price down to sensible levels. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |

Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2179
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Posted - 2014.02.07 13:30:00 -
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I think I would rather see a low chance for a Nexus Chip drop from all pirate factions rather than this attempt to buff drone sites. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement |

Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
211
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Posted - 2014.02.07 15:33:00 -
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Jowen Datloran wrote: Except the absurdity that having the SOE ships as offers in the SOE Loyalty Point store is pointless, when there is a much cheaper option available.
You could say that about every single faction battleship LP offer in existence outside faction warfare LP stores, both pirate and navy. They're all terrible deals that you would have to be quite stupid to take.
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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
805
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Posted - 2014.02.07 20:44:00 -
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Sal Landry wrote:Jowen Datloran wrote: Except the absurdity that having the SOE ships as offers in the SOE Loyalty Point store is pointless, when there is a much cheaper option available.
You could say that about every single faction battleship LP offer in existence outside faction warfare LP stores, both pirate and navy. They're all terrible deals that you would have to be quite stupid to take. True, but the 600.000 LP base will still help to inflate the price of the Nestor, compared to other pirate faction battleships, even when the number of BPCs obtained through drone droppings roughly equals the number of BPC droppings of other pirate faction battleships. And I doubt the Nestor is worth even that price.
So instead CCP Rise has to increase the number of Nestor droppings even more to press the price down; a price, which as said is inflated by CCP Rise's own design. Instead of trying to compensate, I simply suggest he remove the cause of the inflation instead. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |

Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
2886
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Posted - 2014.02.08 18:19:00 -
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Price is moot. The Nestor sucks. Possessing a Nestor is basically spending $1.5-billion to advertise "gank me". I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |

Sheeana Harb
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
21
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Posted - 2014.02.09 01:05:00 -
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Unless this change drops the hull market price to +-300m I honestly can't seen myself ever using Nestor. Every single role Nestor has bonuses for can be performed by cheaper and/or better ship. And ability to have those bonuses combined on a single hull isn't worth the price. Nestor has by far been the least exciting new ship(including those rebalanced). It could be removed from the game tomorrow and I wouldn't care. |

Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
520
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Posted - 2014.02.10 09:24:00 -
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CCP Rise,
Since you claim to listen to player feedback, I am going to assume you are listening to the feedback above.
Dropping Nestor tokens in drone sites will not improve the Nestor, which is an undesirable ship.
Please do not make the mistake of introducing this new, flawed way of generating Nestors.
Because when you (or your successor) finally fix the Nestor, you will have to then consider undoing the drone drop. Of course this will not be done, and we will have unnecessary complexity feeding into the market price of these ships.
Your best solution right now is to reduce the LP cost. Once you have reworked the ship and it is actually desirable, the price can be increased. If the ship is desirable, the price increase can be quite steep since players are always willing to pay a large premium for incremental improvements in performance.
Please respond thoughtfully. It will give us all a little more confidence in you.
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2182
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Posted - 2014.02.10 15:50:00 -
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Mournful Conciousness wrote:Finally fix the Nestor IMO the best way to fix the Nestor is; Make the Astero a Destroyer, buff its HP a bit and give it a unique bonus of 20% drone damage and HP, leave the rest as is. Make the Stratios a Battlecruiser, buff its HP a bit and give it back its 5th drone, leave the rest as is. Have the Sisters of EVE offer a formal apology for the Nestor and decommission it, compensate the recall with a couple Stratios and Asteros. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement |

Ines Tegator
Towels R Us
372
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Posted - 2014.02.10 17:04:00 -
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I like the idea, especially if it means drone anomalies have a reason to exist again. However, I think that only decreasing the LP cost of the Nestor will save it. Making it available as a drop will only mean noone will ever buy it with LP. - Mission Overhaul - Bridging the PVP / PVE Gap - -áIf the game stops teaching people to fear lowsec, maybe people will start going there? |

Sgt Ocker
Last Bastion of Freedom
120
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Posted - 2014.02.11 12:49:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Hello So, here's what we're going to do: starting in the next major Rubicon patch (which I don't have a date for, but is not very far off), Rogue Drones will start occasionally dropping nexus chips which you will be able to trade in at any Sisters of EVE agent for a one-run BPC of either a Nestor, Stratios or Astero. The chips will be called Rogue Drone 46-X Nexus Chip, Rogue Drone 43-X Nexus Chip and Rogue Drone 42-X Nexus Chip respectively, and they will drop at a very similar rate to other pirate faction BPC drops in null sec. This should provide a nice pressure valve for the prices on Sisters of EVE ships and also give a little boost to the drone regions, two things we are happy about. Have fun out there and take care of all those new people this weekend  Great, so now if you want to try and get SOE ships at cheaper than highsec LP prices you have 2 choices.. 1; Run missions in the 1 system held by The Sanctuary (Goon space) 2; Run anoms (in Russ or Nulli space) in the hope of an escalation that may or may not drop you a nexus chip.
Nicely thought out.
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Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
524
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Posted - 2014.02.11 12:59:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Mournful Conciousness wrote:Finally fix the Nestor IMO the best way to fix the Nestor is; Make the Astero a Destroyer, buff its HP a bit and give it a unique bonus of 20% drone damage and HP, leave the rest as is. Make the Stratios a Battlecruiser, buff its HP a bit and give it back its 5th drone, leave the rest as is. Have the Sisters of EVE offer a formal apology for the Nestor and decommission it, compensate the recall with a couple Stratios and Asteros.
I almost fully agree, except for the part about changing the astero or stratios, both of which I have found to be astonishingly good pvp ships.
The astero in particular has shown itself able to get and hold point in the face of withering fire and then crucially, get away as the fight escalates.
In my view both the astero and stratios are very much worth the money since their survival chances are good.
The dev team did a very good job there.
The Nestor of course, sucks a fat one. We all knew that. Rise knew that too, but I think by the time the request for feedback was made, internal hubris had already taken hold.
+1 for "Scrap the Nestor, start again"
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
269
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Posted - 2014.02.11 13:12:00 -
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Remove All Combat Bonuses Remove All Exploration Bonuses Reduce Drone Bay to 250m3
Add Cap Transfer Bonus (Amarr BS) Add Logistic Drone Bonus (Gallente BS) Add Fuel bay and allow for Jumping to Black Ops Cyno. (can not bridge but can jump itself.)
*Can Fit Cov Ops Cloak. (cloaking delay 15 seconds like others)
Poof you now have a Logistic ship that work well in WH's and with Black Ops. Really 2 roles that don't actually exist in game beyond gimmicky T3 fit with Logistics. |

Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
124
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Posted - 2014.02.11 13:12:00 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote: Great, so now if you want to try and get SOE ships at cheaper than highsec LP prices you have 2 choices.. 1; Run missions in the 1 system held by The Sanctuary (Goon space) 2; Run anoms (in Russ or Nulli space) in the hope of an escalation that may or may not drop you a nexus chip.
Nicely thought out.
Yea, cause all those deadspace mods you have to go out and obtain them yourself, solo. |

Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
124
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Posted - 2014.02.11 13:26:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:I think I would rather see a low chance for a Nexus Chip drop from all pirate factions rather than this attempt to buff drone sites.
No what really needs to happen is to create a line of deadspace mods for drone drops. Starting with the Adaptive Invulnerability Field.
Then lower the drop rate for other regions to compensate. |

Machagon
Plate of Beans Incorporated Solar Destiny
27
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Posted - 2014.02.11 14:13:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:I think I would rather see a low chance for a Nexus Chip drop from all pirate factions rather than this attempt to buff drone sites. No what really needs to happen is to create a line of deadspace mods for drone drops. Starting with the Adaptive Invulnerability Field. Then lower the drop rate for other regions to compensate.
Absolutely. Adding more interesting deadspace drops to drone sites is very much a good thing. In fact, I think there's a good argument for looking around at existing drops that could be moved into drone exploration sites. |

Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Awakened.
1365
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Posted - 2014.02.11 16:49:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:I think I would rather see a low chance for a Nexus Chip drop from all pirate factions rather than this attempt to buff drone sites. No what really needs to happen is to create a line of deadspace mods for drone drops. Starting with the Adaptive Invulnerability Field. Then lower the drop rate for other regions to compensate.
And deadspace large remote armor repairers. They would go nice with the Nestor. +1 |

Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2183
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Posted - 2014.02.11 17:09:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:I think I would rather see a low chance for a Nexus Chip drop from all pirate factions rather than this attempt to buff drone sites. No what really needs to happen is to create a line of deadspace mods for drone drops. Starting with the Adaptive Invulnerability Field. Then lower the drop rate for other regions to compensate. Except drones are generally active armor tanked or buffer tanked, so them dropping shield deadspace mods would be now out of place than the SOE exchange chips.
If any interesting deadspace mods should come from drone sites it should be deadspace buffer mods. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement |

Sgt Ocker
Last Bastion of Freedom
120
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Posted - 2014.02.12 12:01:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote: Great, so now if you want to try and get SOE ships at cheaper than highsec LP prices you have 2 choices.. 1; Run missions in the 1 system held by The Sanctuary (Goon space) 2; Run anoms (in Russ or Nulli space) in the hope of an escalation that may or may not drop you a nexus chip.
Nicely thought out.
Yea, cause all those deadspace mods you have to go out and obtain them yourself, solo. Not sure about the relevance of dead space mods but hunting dead space mods does not require going to only 1 system, known to be inhabited by one of the largest NBSI coalitions in nulsec. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4671
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:13:00 -
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I swear, some of you people are so out of touch that CCP could mail you a check for one million dollars and you'd ***** that it wasn't one million and one dollars lol.
The Nestor itself is a separate concern and this thing CCP is doing with drone sites is a BUFF to everyone because drone sites spawn everywhere. Get over it. |

Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2184
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:33:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:I swear, some of you people are so out of touch that CCP could mail you a check for one million dollars and you'd ***** that it wasn't one million and one dollars lol.
The Nestor itself is a separate concern and this thing CCP is doing with drone sites is a BUFF to everyone because drone sites spawn everywhere. Get over it. Yes buff drone sites with a ship that, for the most part, nobody wants and the Astero and Stration are already accessible enough from the SOE LP stores. Rather than actually make faction drone mods to buff drone sites with. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4672
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Posted - 2014.02.12 14:48:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:I swear, some of you people are so out of touch that CCP could mail you a check for one million dollars and you'd ***** that it wasn't one million and one dollars lol.
The Nestor itself is a separate concern and this thing CCP is doing with drone sites is a BUFF to everyone because drone sites spawn everywhere. Get over it. Yes buff drone sites with a ship that, for the most part, nobody wants and the Astero and Stration are already accessible enough from the SOE LP stores. Rather than actually make faction drone mods to buff drone sites with.
You're stating a preference. None of that has anything to do with what CCP is doing here.
The other pirate ships are available via drops in plexes. CCP is making the SOE ships available via drops. It does not matter that these ships are available in empire. It does not matter that the Nestro Sucks (it does) or that Rogue Drones need more things to drop (they do). This is a good thing they are doing, it makes drone regions better, it gives people all over EVE space a reason to do the random drone anomalies and plexes that pop up and it gives another source of SOE ships for ship builders.
Lastly I don't know why you think whining is going to help here. Have anyone of you ever seen CCP, Rise, Fozzie or anyone else respond positively to whining? |

Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2184
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Posted - 2014.02.12 15:05:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: Lastly I don't know why you think whining is going to help here. Have anyone of you ever seen CCP, Rise, Fozzie or anyone else respond positively to whining?
Not whining, merely stating observations. Frankly I gave up on commenting on most of CCP Rise's threads. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement |

Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
529
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Posted - 2014.02.12 15:21:00 -
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I thought people in this thread ought to me made aware of the very welcome comment by Rise in the old thread.
In response this this post: comparing the noctis with logi and carriers
Rise wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:This is a pretty great analysis. I'll have a look at getting some tweaks in to address some of the issues you raise.
Thanks for a really well-articulated argument, I'll update everyone if we can commit to any changes in the near future.
here
Which I think we must all agree is a most welcome first positive step in the direction of making the Nestor a desirable asset.
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Awakened.
1366
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Posted - 2014.02.12 16:29:00 -
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I don't see why a player has to spell things out to the developer before they can admit there is a problem with the nestor... Didn't Rise know the ship had bad cap regeneration and scan res when they made the ship?!  +1 |

Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
529
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Posted - 2014.02.12 16:38:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:I don't see why a player has to spell things out to the developer before they can admit there is a problem with the nestor... Didn't Rise know the ship had bad cap regeneration and scan res when they made the ship?! 
I think we can forgive Rise for this one since at the time he was distracted by debilitating effects sunshine and pretty girls on the beach in some far-off foreign hellhole.
I for one think he has a really tough time of it and can only applaud his fortitude in coming through this difficult time.
I imagine he is relieved to be back doing what he loves - raising the blood pressure of Eve players.
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
648
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Posted - 2014.02.13 01:08:00 -
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Mournful Conciousness wrote:Rek Seven wrote:I don't see why a player has to spell things out to the developer before they can admit there is a problem with the nestor... Didn't Rise know the ship had bad cap regeneration and scan res when they made the ship?!  I think we can forgive Rise for this one since at the time he was distracted by debilitating effects sunshine and pretty girls on the beach in some far-off foreign hellhole. I for one think he has a really tough time of it and can only applaud his fortitude in coming through this difficult time. I imagine he is relieved to be back doing what he loves - raising the blood pressure of Eve players. 
Let's cut them a little slack here, It must be really hard to try to balance any new ship when there are so many divergent opinions, and no matter what path is trodden, people will call out that , logistic/lasers/drones/battleships etc etc are over/underpowered according to our play styles and opinions... And do.
It is understandable that any new ship can become "vanilla" or underwhelming as a counter to this pressure, particularly after some of the stress they must have encountered after the previous ships.
There have been some excellent comments in this thread, regarding what it would take to improve the logistics role of this ship, and I was very pleased to see CCP rise welcomed one particularly well thought out reply, and was looking to incorporate some of these points.
I would love to see things like the mini ship hanger and other points of interest visible in the original artwork incorporated, I would also like to see the ability to move around systems while retaining cloak, Balanced by an inability to utilise weapons or launch drones or to be locked for 20 seconds after de-cloaking. Sort of a shortened, enforced, mini gate cloak effect. Visible but not yet fully returned to real space. No surprise cloak ambush would then be possible. Eliminating A major concern some have with a cloaky battleship. This would then also allow fast lock speeds, valuable for Logistics without unbalancing things.
This ship has the ability to be exceptionally useful, and although it is understandable to "play it safe" with design, if we can move away from that, It could be a real asset to the game. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4301
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Posted - 2014.02.13 02:19:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Why do the Sisters want drone chips?
edit: Wait, so the SoE ships' drone bonus comes from salvaged Rogue Drone technology? This isn't going to end well, is it? We knew that already, just look at their epic arc ending :P
And it was rogue drones collecting the vast amounts of Isogen 5 that the blood raiders stumbled upon while trailing an SoE ship - right into the place where the Amarr super weapon was somehow abandoned.
Chronicles: The Spiral Half a life 1 The Great Harvest We Humans World On Fire
List of the Chronicles - warning: very addicting >:-)
So there is in fact a huge storyline/lore connection with these nexus chips and the trade-in option. |
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