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BigJiggyStyles
Choke-Hold Choke New Eden
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Posted - 2014.02.09 22:30:00 -
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Approach gate, spam jump/enter/jump/enter, get into system in under ten seconds.
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Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
424
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Posted - 2014.02.09 22:59:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I have no problems with Jita. You know why? BECAUSE I STAY THE **** AWAY FROM THAT CESSPIT! You might try doing the same. For your sanity and ours. Mr Epeen
This, for the love of god. Jita is not the only trade hub. Prices in dodixie and amarr are usually exactly the same, and even when not, we're talking less than 100k for most things. In a game where actual value is measured in millions, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're wasting time going to jita for anything. |
Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
320
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Posted - 2014.02.09 22:59:00 -
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Gerald Sphinx wrote:Then consider moving to somewhere else. There are at least 3 other major trade hubs throughout New Eden, you know.
Amarr Rens Dodixie
Amarr - Slaver scum Rens - Pauper scum Dodixie - Scum scum |
45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
45
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Posted - 2014.02.10 03:17:00 -
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Irishdab Cadelanne wrote:Instead of locking out jita to players why not go in an kick out players that are spaming local all the time. This would lower server load and allow the people that pay for this game the access we want.
I would not have any issues with the spam if the server could handle the load but it clearly can't. This effects the game play for other users and in my view is not fair to us that want to trade.
I know Jita is a high volume system and it is run on it's own sever. But it's getting to the point where you need to decide.
- kick spamers out
or
- Give Jita a second server till the spamers fill it up as well.
Yawn another one of those threads again so HTFU
Lockage time ISD & CCP
I am not a CCP employee-ájust having a input in the EvE forum
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19282
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Posted - 2014.02.10 03:31:00 -
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Irishdab Cadelanne wrote:Instead of locking out jita to players why not go in an kick out players that are spaming local all the time. This would lower server load and allow the people that pay for this game the access we want. The spammers don't really affect the server load. They also don't affect the population limit since it is scaled to take them into account. If the spammers were to be kicked out of the system, the population limit would just be reduced to fit about the same amount of players and you'd still be locked out.
Quote:I would not have any issues with the spam if the server could handle the load but it clearly can't. Local is handled by a different server, so their spam does not affect the load on the Jita node.
The reason you're locked out of Jita is because people like you go to Jita during the most populated time of the week. The solution is to not go there during the most populated time of the week. If you absolutely, definitely, categorically have to go to Jita, just ask your autopilot to auto-jump you in, or spend all of 20 seconds to spam the gate. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
2024
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Posted - 2014.02.10 03:32:00 -
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Irishdab Cadelanne wrote: I agree with you "CCP didn't make Jita the #1 trade hub in the universe, players did." But controlling and managing server load is their job.
And they have already given it a standalone node. The only one if all of New Eden. What more should they do?
Personally I think it's great. I hope that over time it causes the other trade ups to pick back up in prominence, spreading things out a bit.
I certainly don't want them taking resources away from other areas of the game just so we can squeeze another 1000 players into Jita.
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Infinity Ziona
Drags are Bud
1639
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Posted - 2014.02.10 04:55:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Irishdab Cadelanne wrote: I agree with you "CCP didn't make Jita the #1 trade hub in the universe, players did." But controlling and managing server load is their job. And they have already given it a standalone node. The only one if all of New Eden. What more should they do? Personally I think it's great. I hope that over time it causes the other trade ups to pick back up in prominence, spreading things out a bit. I certainly don't want them taking resources away from other areas of the game just so we can squeeze another 1000 players into Jita. Too Big to Fail Tax - there is a very good reason to go to Jita and that's prices. You can lose millions not selling in Jita, it has the most buyers so better competitive prices overall.
Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
Felicity Love
Whore and Peace Forsaken Asylum
1514
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Posted - 2014.02.10 05:30:00 -
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Irishdab Cadelanne wrote:Instead of locking out jita to players why not go in an kick out players that are spaming local all the time. This would lower server load and allow the people that pay for this game the access we want.
Learn remote trade skills... and never go there again.
D'oh.
... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
10117
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Posted - 2014.02.10 05:38:00 -
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Reckless Ourtomineng wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: here comes the boss of who knows what...
Wait...I thought you had me blocked......
Now everyone will know that were super-secret best friends and talk about us while idling on the gate waiting to get into Jita. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Rhanna Khurin
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
55
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Posted - 2014.02.10 05:42:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I have no problems with Jita. You know why? BECAUSE I STAY THE **** AWAY FROM THAT CESSPIT! You might try doing the same. For your sanity and ours. Mr Epeen
This a thousand times! |
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
2024
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Posted - 2014.02.10 05:56:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Too Big to Fail Tax - there is a very good reason to go to Jita and that's prices. You can lose millions not selling in Jita, it has the most buyers so better competitive prices overall.
Gee, and after all the other posts and threads I've seen from you I thought you were smarter. Missed the point by a few light years.
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Joan Greywind
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2014.02.10 06:07:00 -
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"This is getting worst". Aside from the butchery of the English language I doubt waiting 3 minutes on the gate spamming jump is the "worst" thing than can happen in EVE.
Anyways I think it is a good thing, by having a soft cap on the system this will incentivize people to go to other secondary hubs, like amarr or dodixie, and that I think should add some more content and style to the game. Trade routes, making the other hubs more price efficient, adding more opportunities for gankers (that gank ships between those routes), but at the same time less opportunities for jita station bears, diverse space and an expansive system. Having one centralized hub is convenient, but boring. Having four (or more) hubs is a little less convenient but much more fun.
Another good unintended consequence from limitations in the game itself. |
Infinity Ziona
Drags are Bud
1640
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Posted - 2014.02.10 07:33:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Too Big to Fail Tax - there is a very good reason to go to Jita and that's prices. You can lose millions not selling in Jita, it has the most buyers so better competitive prices overall.
Gee, and after all the other posts and threads I've seen from you I thought you were smarter. Missed the point by a few light years. Your post makes no sense. I can go to Rens like I did and post an item selling for 100m in Jita, but it won't sell period. I can likewise go to Dodixie and quick sell and get a list of -80% buy orders. I can go to Amarr and lose 100 million by selling 1 billion in stuff or go to Jita and sell it for the whole billion.
Likewise when I buy things, I can buy at a much higher price in the less populous hubs or go to Jita and get stuff at cheap prices. Which is why Jita is so popular.
When you come from null with 5 billion do you go to Rens, Hek, Dodixie, Amarr and get 5 billion or less or go to Jita and get 6 billion?
A tax on congested systems like Jita would make Jita less popular because you wouldn't have people chasing the extra billion.
Its why councils put parking meters with stupid prices in the city. You pay for congestion. Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
Muestereate
Minions LLC
167
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Posted - 2014.02.10 08:10:00 -
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I'd go with the remote trade skills If I felt I needed to be there and while your at it, collateralized courier contracts to eliminate undock ganks and localized war dec threats. Unless your planning on building and flying a ship out of there. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1974
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Posted - 2014.02.10 08:37:00 -
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Spammers in Jita local don't contribute to the load that much since chat is on its own nodes. The load in Jita primarily stems from the traffic to and from the system, i.e., the transport, pilots jumping in and out of the system and docking/undocking. A fair amount of processing goes into delivering the market transactions (but the market itself is on another node). Then there is always some pew-pew to process.
Jita is by far the largest market hub in EVE but we cap it at 2175 pilots. Jita has a dedicated node to itself, one of the fleet fight nodes. Next are Amarr, Dodixie, and Rens. We don't cap them but dedicate Amarr on regular hardware.
Top stations are:
Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant Rens VI - Moon 8 - Brutor Tribe Treasury Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1431
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Posted - 2014.02.10 08:43:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097&find=unread
here's your solution to Jita woes ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Stalker ofeveryone
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.10 08:44:00 -
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You need to pay the toll, mate. Didn't you get the mail? |
Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space
263
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Posted - 2014.02.10 08:49:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Jita is by far the largest market hub in EVE but we cap it at 2175 pilots Why 2175 ?
Obviously your answer will be something like "experience shows that if we cap at 2175 then x won't happen", but I'm curious what the x is. |
Garia666
CyberShield Inc Triumvirate.
66
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Posted - 2014.02.10 08:49:00 -
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only issue i see with this is that if your in war. you dont know before hand that your are able to jump in the system or not.
So if you cannot enter you chances are high that you get ganked.
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1974
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Posted - 2014.02.10 08:51:00 -
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Hesod Adee wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Jita is by far the largest market hub in EVE but we cap it at 2175 pilots Why 2175 ? Obviously your answer will be something like "experience shows that if we cap at 2175 then x won't happen", but I'm curious what the x is. x = Time Dilation will be at 100% most of the time, stay between 80-100% nearly all of the time, and only very rarely go below 80%. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Jove Death
Very Insignificant
480
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Posted - 2014.02.10 08:53:00 -
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So theres no way the node can be overloaded permanently to like 4000 chars?
Being a bit thick here but what is the limit on one system? Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek. CCP Huggin and Grimmi thanks a bunch for your typical information of nowt. Damm you CCP for making me re-sub-á |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
1976
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Posted - 2014.02.10 09:08:00 -
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Jove Death wrote:So theres no way the node can be overloaded permanently to like 4000 chars?
Being a bit thick here but what is the limit on one system? There is no hard limit, a node will simply have a hard time keeping up with processing as the number of pilots grows and as they do more things. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Christine Peeveepeeski
Rodents of Unusual Size
500
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Posted - 2014.02.10 09:57:00 -
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I don't get it, why are players not using the remote trading skills next door to Jita instead when this happens? Or perhaps timing moving stock/ships outside of sunday?
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4892
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Posted - 2014.02.10 10:12:00 -
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Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:I don't get it, why are players not using the remote trading skills next door to Jita instead when this happens? Or perhaps timing moving stock/ships outside of sunday?
My guess is: Because station trade scams require you being in the same station as the mark. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
1180
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Posted - 2014.02.10 10:27:00 -
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Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:I don't get it, why are players not using the remote trading skills next door to Jita instead when this happens? Or perhaps timing moving stock/ships outside of sunday?
Because remote asset management is weak at best and remote trading is only any good for adjusting prices while stuck in New Caldari. If CCP adds the ability to remote-work with proper UI on another station's assets then that might be different. |
Samoth Egnoled
34316
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Posted - 2014.02.10 10:38:00 -
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I hear Eve has over 5000 systems, if only a few of them were trade hubs too... Oh wait! There ARE other trade hubs.
Quit whining and go play another game that isnt too taxing on you're brain. Ego Sum Mortem Incarnatum - I Am Death Incarnate |
Samoth Egnoled
34316
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Posted - 2014.02.10 10:42:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Jove Death wrote:So theres no way the node can be overloaded permanently to like 4000 chars?
Being a bit thick here but what is the limit on one system? There is no hard limit, a node will simply have a hard time keeping up with processing as the number of pilots grows and as they do more things.
So with the current size of battles that are happening in 0.0 where you have to implement Tidi to make it playable at all, and the fact that Jita is frequently being capped to save the node dying. Would you conclude that it is logical to assume that the current hardware that Eve is run on is insufficient for it's intended purpose going forward? Ego Sum Mortem Incarnatum - I Am Death Incarnate |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
2428
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Posted - 2014.02.10 11:08:00 -
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Quote:16. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
[quote=Irishdab Cadelanne]Since it was locked I could not add my constructive comment about kicking out the bot spam.
If you think your 'constructive comment' has not been suggested before, then you haven't read the thread or even used the search function. This is redundant.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19287
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Posted - 2014.02.10 11:23:00 -
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Samoth Egnoled wrote:So with the current size of battles that are happening in 0.0 where you have to implement Tidi to make it playable at all, and the fact that Jita is frequently being capped to save the node dying. Would you conclude that it is logical to assume that the current hardware that Eve is run on is insufficient for it's intended purpose going forward? With the odd rare event and one out of 7,500 systems being the only exceptions to the rule that the game chugs along quite nicely, it rather seems logical to assume that the current hardware is sufficient. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
RAW23
690
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Posted - 2014.02.10 11:42:00 -
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Dorian Wylde wrote:
This, for the love of god. Jita is not the only trade hub. Prices in dodixie and amarr are usually exactly the same, and even when not, we're talking less than 100k for most things. In a game where actual value is measured in millions, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're wasting time going to jita for anything.
This shows a critical misunderstanding of the eve economy. Trade volumes in Jita are far, far higher than they are anywhere else in New Eden and it is simply not the case that you can do all the same things in all the other trade hubs. There are a lot of trading activities that can only be carried out in Jita and those who are involved in these activities can't just 'go elsewhere'. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
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