Then it's obviously not a particularly big problem, or people would have long since started using the many tools at our disposal to remove it.

Yeah this fantastic logic. "There's no problem with the application because if there was the users would have worked around it years ago."

No. In other words, the spammers don't cause that much sever load so they are not the reason legit players can't get in. If they were removed, the cap would just be lowered to maintain the same node load and you'd still not get in.

GǪa cap that is set to accommodate the 1175 non-spammers and the 1000 spammers. If you were to remove the spammers, somehow, the cap would be set to 1175 instead since that's how much load the system can take (after all, the spammers don't contribute to that load). The cap is set based on the load generated by the players logging or jumping into the system. Removing the people that add nothing to that load would just reveal that the actual cap is 1175, so you'd still have just as many slots available for the non-spammers and you'd still not get in.

Again what Tippia said.

Your assumption isn't based on any facts. You just think that's how it works. Unless Explorer comes in here to confirm that the cap is there with the fact that x % of it will be spammers; you're talking rubbish. It makes just as much sense to say that spammers removed from the system free up space for legitimate players.

You know what's kind of irritating?

Jita is capped at 2175 only.

All market transactions are done on a different node.
All chatting is done on a different node.

This actually removes two of the most engaged things happening in Jita 4-4, right?

... and that's kind of irritating. I'd bet that most people believe that trading and chatting are the things
actually slowing the node down the most.

So ... what's actually slowing down the node so much?

The session changes ?? Jita does have quite a few gates and there are always several people
at the New Caldari and Perimeter gates. Then we have several stations too.

Is it true?

Why did I write 'only' in my second line? Because 2175 isn't that much, if you put it into context.

If you look at the bloodbath of B-R5RB and think of all the things that are going on, including amount of ships, drones, session changes due to explosions/jump-ins, people clicking modules, PHYSICS!, etc etc ...

Yes, there's TiDi at 10% ... but the node wasn't even reinforced !

TL;DR: There was SO much more going on in B-R5RB which ran on a non-reinforced node with population count comparable to the one of Jita for quite a while. Jita runs on a reinforced node AND has two of the most happening things in system outsourced onto a different node!

What's actually going on that you need to have a cap as low as 2175?

The load in Jita is primarily session changes. There are 4 types: Pilots jumping into the system and out of the system, pilots docking and undocking (mostly at 4-4). Secondary load is inventory transactions: There are mostly two types: Pilots going from one location to another (see session changes above), and market items being put onto the market and being delivered from the market (note, the market itself is then on other nodes). Tertiary load is then warping and pew-pew.

Allow us to transport stuff in and out of jita via npc type mechanics and then we cann finally put this to bed. Telling us not to bother using Jita as a lot of trolls do, is rediculous.

Lots of people logging in, jumping in, and undocking, which requires large amounts of calculations to set up their in-space object. Unfortunately, it's also not something that TiDi is a very good countermeasure for, which is why everyone is (or was) hoping for some progress on the brain-in-a-box project that would sideload all those calculations onto a separate server.

Fleets generate a completely different kind of load. Sure, when it jumps in, all those calculations have to be run, which creates a momentary spike, but once that's done, everything else is just the standard ongoing simulation running at whatever speed it needs to run at. That load is generally much smaller per ship than the complex task of fetching all character, ship, module, etc. data, mashing it together and producing a single object for the simulation to handle.

Why should NPCs be handed a job players can do just fine on their own?

Indeed, use a player-courier service or go to any of the other major hubs:

(Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant)
Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy
Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant
Rens VI - Moon 8 - Brutor Tribe Treasury

TLDR

If Jita is over capacity so go some place else to do market stuff. If you don't get into Jita thats your problem. But don't worry CCP will devote all assets they can to making sure 4K dudes can shoot each other at .01% Real Time in 0.0 space.

And why should i fly 20 jumps away from my area of operations, just to use dodixie or the other markets (and probably pay more than i would have done) ? and what is the point of jita if we all had to go elsewhere ?

Actually Jita's node is more powerful than the fleet battle nodes (although some of the super-hyped battles have borrowed the Jita node for a day).

Overhauling session changes (brain in the box) needs to be an super high priority though, as that will drastically help trade hubs and fleet battles alike. Of course I'm assuming it's a really complex problem you can't just throw manpower at, but the Jita situation is pretty darn bad now. There's absolutely no other system in the universe where you can trade high volumes of isk

[quote=Mario Putzo]TLDR

If Jita is over capacity so go some place else to do market stuff. If you don't get into Jita thats your problem. But don't worry CCP will devote all assets they can to making sure 4K dudes can shoot each other at .01% Real Time in 0.0 space.

Exactly but why is Jita capped, but space fights are not.

Yet nearly every time there is a nullsec fight CCP trips all over themselves trying to make the blob fights more convenient.

Maybe if the guys in nullsec weren't seeing CCP bend over backwards to accommodate

It's up to CCP as developers to adjust the game if it needs adjusting. Part of being a developer is to listen to user feedback and redesign in areas where players are unnecessarily frustrated by mechanics.

Not exactly true the blade with the core that jita runs on has 3 other cores that can run at the same level as jita. one is used for systems that a battle node as been requested for and the other two are assigned other trade systems or other high usage systems.

TQ-SOL0100 is actually an 8 core machine, with 4 cores turned off so we can run the other 4 overclocked. Jita is on one of 4 nodes (we run a node per active core) and the other 3 are reserved for fleet fights (see https://community.eveonline.com/support/fleet-fight/). Amarr also has a dedicated node, but less powerful hardware.

Amarr also has a dedicated node, but less powerful hardware.

Indeed, use a player-courier service or go to any of the other major hubs:

(Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant)
Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy
Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant
Rens VI - Moon 8 - Brutor Tribe Treasury

Allow us to transport stuff in and out of jita via npc type mechanics and then we cann finally put this to bed. Telling us not to bother using Jita as a lot of trolls do, is rediculous.

TQ-SOL0100 is actually an 8 core machine, with 4 cores turned off so we can run the other 4 overclocked. Jita is on one of 4 nodes (we run a node per active core) and the other 3 are reserved for fleet fights (see https://community.eveonline.com/support/fleet-fight/). Amarr also has a dedicated node, but less powerful hardware.

Indeed, use a player-courier service or go to any of the other major hubs:

(Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant)
Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy
Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant
Rens VI - Moon 8 - Brutor Tribe Treasury

You do realise that whether I go to Jita or I get another player to go to Jita (because that's where they're going to go for the cheapest price) that's still the same number of people going to Jita.

Additionally when I go to Jita I usually go there to both sell loot and buy equipment. You have to go to Jita because going to Amarr, or worse Dodixie or Rens means an average loss on both buy and sell orders of tens of millions to hundreds of millions of isk.

And player courier missions on what the average person would buy would be prohibitive in terms of cost and time.

If I need a cheetah worth 20 million isk how much do I pay for a courier? 5 million is 25% of the ship. The only player who will pick up that courier mission is a newbie, and they won't take it because they'll need to use a T1 industrial which would be suicide for a newbie. If I'm 10 jumps away how long will it take before it's picked up, if it even is...?

If it's an established courier you're looking at 2 to 5 million per jump or 20 to 50 million to move the ship + 20 million so 40 to 70 million to get a Cheetah delivered in an indeterminate amount of time.