I have no problems with Jita.

You know why?

BECAUSE I STAY THE **** AWAY FROM THAT CESSPIT!

You might try doing the same. For your sanity and ours.

Mr Epeen

I do stay away most of the time but it is a pain in the ass that I can't go into a system cause of bot spammers.

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First off, there is nothing I've seen that said the population issue is due to bot spammers. I would venture to guess they are actually a small percentage of the thousands of players in Jita at any given time.

Second, It's not CCP's problem. CCP didn't make Jita the #1 trade hub in the universe, players did.

Don't like it? Speak with your isk. Go spend it at one of the other trade hubs.

I have no problems with Jita because I just spam the gate (or character selection screen) a few times and jump straight in.

If only the game had other trade hubs........

First lesson of Jita: do not go to Jita.

Second lesson of Jita: if you have to go to Jita, avoid it during the weekend.

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Instead of locking out jita to players why not go in an kick out players that are spaming local all the time. This would lower server load and allow the people that pay for this game the access we want.

I would not have any issues with the spam if the server could handle the load but it clearly can't. This effects the game play for other users and in my view is not fair to us that want to trade.

I know Jita is a high volume system and it is run on it's own sever. But it's getting to the point where you need to decide.

- kick spamers out

or

- Give Jita a second server till the spamers fill it up as well.

mods is repetitive

Wanna be mods is repetitive and also boring.

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Wanna be mods is repetitive and also boring.

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I have no problems with Jita.

You know why?

BECAUSE I STAY THE **** AWAY FROM THAT CESSPIT!

You might try doing the same. For your sanity and ours.

Mr Epeen

Then consider moving to somewhere else. There are at least 3 other major trade hubs throughout New Eden, you know.

Amarr
Rens
Dodixie

Instead of locking out jita to players why not go in an kick out players that are spaming local all the time. This would lower server load and allow the people that pay for this game the access we want.

I would not have any issues with the spam if the server could handle the load but it clearly can't. This effects the game play for other users and in my view is not fair to us that want to trade.

I know Jita is a high volume system and it is run on it's own sever. But it's getting to the point where you need to decide.

- kick spamers out

or

- Give Jita a second server till the spamers fill it up as well.

Instead of locking out jita to players why not go in an kick out players that are spaming local all the time. This would lower server load and allow the people that pay for this game the access we want.

I would not have any issues with the spam if the server could handle the load but it clearly can't.

I agree with you "CCP didn't make Jita the #1 trade hub in the universe, players did." But controlling and managing server load is their job.

And they have already given it a standalone node. The only one if all of New Eden. What more should they do?

Personally I think it's great. I hope that over time it causes the other trade ups to pick back up in prominence, spreading things out a bit.

I certainly don't want them taking resources away from other areas of the game just so we can squeeze another 1000 players into Jita.

Instead of locking out jita to players why not go in an kick out players that are spaming local all the time. This would lower server load and allow the people that pay for this game the access we want.

here comes the boss of who knows what...

I have no problems with Jita.

You know why?

BECAUSE I STAY THE **** AWAY FROM THAT CESSPIT!

You might try doing the same. For your sanity and ours.

Mr Epeen

Too Big to Fail Tax - there is a very good reason to go to Jita and that's prices. You can lose millions not selling in Jita, it has the most buyers so better competitive prices overall.

Gee, and after all the other posts and threads I've seen from you I thought you were smarter. Missed the point by a few light years.

Jita is by far the largest market hub in EVE but we cap it at 2175 pilots

Why 2175 ?

Obviously your answer will be something like "experience shows that if we cap at 2175 then x won't happen", but I'm curious what the x is.

So theres no way the node can be overloaded permanently to like 4000 chars?

Being a bit thick here but what is the limit on one system?

I don't get it, why are players not using the remote trading skills next door to Jita instead when this happens? Or perhaps timing moving stock/ships outside of sunday?

I don't get it, why are players not using the remote trading skills next door to Jita instead when this happens? Or perhaps timing moving stock/ships outside of sunday?

There is no hard limit, a node will simply have a hard time keeping up with processing as the number of pilots grows and as they do more things.

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[quote=Irishdab Cadelanne]Since it was locked I could not add my constructive comment about kicking out the bot spam.

So with the current size of battles that are happening in 0.0 where you have to implement Tidi to make it playable at all, and the fact that Jita is frequently being capped to save the node dying. Would you conclude that it is logical to assume that the current hardware that Eve is run on is insufficient for it's intended purpose going forward?

This, for the love of god. Jita is not the only trade hub. Prices in dodixie and amarr are usually exactly the same, and even when not, we're talking less than 100k for most things. In a game where actual value is measured in millions, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're wasting time going to jita for anything.

So with the current size of battles that are happening in 0.0 where you have to implement Tidi to make it playable at all, and the fact that Jita is frequently being capped to save the node dying. Would you conclude that it is logical to assume that the current hardware that Eve is run on is insufficient for it's intended purpose going forward?

Spammers in Jita local don't contribute to the load that much since chat is on its own nodes. The load in Jita primarily stems from the traffic to and from the system, i.e., the transport, pilots jumping in and out of the system and docking/undocking. A fair amount of processing goes into delivering the market transactions (but the market itself is on another node). Then there is always some pew-pew to process.

Jita is by far the largest market hub in EVE but we cap it at 2175 pilots. Jita has a dedicated node to itself, one of the fleet fight nodes. Next are Amarr, Dodixie, and Rens. We don't cap them but dedicate Amarr on regular hardware.

Top stations are:

Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant
Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy
Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant
Rens VI - Moon 8 - Brutor Tribe Treasury

Just by being in the system they are adding to load. Unless of course you are denying player count in system has any impact at all.... Just kick them the hell out and give Jita a channel that can be accessed anywhere like other channels. No matter what you say, the amount of spammers is ridiculous and people need to get in and out trade.

or

allow us to buy / sell in adjacent systems and use NPC transporters to move the orders in and out of the system.

Something Like

Right click - Buy item X
Select option to request item be delivered to your station/stystem (extra isk charge on top)
complete purchase
After 30 seconds, the item appears in your inventory with a notification that NPC X corp has delivered your items. This can only be done in the systems adjacent to the 4 main hub systems.

With the odd rare event and one out of 7,500 systems being the only exceptions to the rule that the game chugs along quite nicely, it rather seems logical to assume that the current hardware is sufficient.

I also doubt many MMO servers can match the tech specs of Tranquility as outlined in this PC Gamer article from last year:
http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/06/15/eve-online/


But seriously people, why do you HAVE to go to Jita? I mean okay, some very rare items are usually found only there, but for nearly everything else mundane you can actually get better profits from other superhubs (Dodixie, Amarr, Rens), or even smaller local hubs (for example, Hek).

Its not true that better deals can be found elsewhere. Primarily for the best profit you MUST go to Jita to trade. Both supply and demand make it the number one hub to do business for maximum profits.

Just by being in the system they are adding to load.

Unless of course you are denying player count in system has any impact at all.

No matter what you say, the amount of spammers is ridiculous and people need to get in and out trade.

allow us to buy / sell in adjacent systems and use NPC transporters to move the orders in and out of the system.

Its not true that better deals can be found elsewhere. Primarily for the best profit you MUST go to Jita to trade. Both supply and demand make it the number one hub to do business for maximum profits.

Its not true that better deals can be found elsewhere. Primarily for the best profit you MUST go to Jita to trade. Both supply and demand make it the number one hub to do business for maximum profits.

"This is getting worst". Aside from the butchery of the English language I doubt waiting 3 minutes on the gate spamming jump is the "worst" thing than can happen in EVE.

Amarr - Slaver scum
Rens - Pauper scum
Dodixie - Scum scum

No.

x = Time Dilation will be at 100% most of the time, stay between 80-100% nearly all of the time, and only very rarely go below 80%.

I also doubt many MMO servers can match the tech specs of Tranquility as outlined in this PC Gamer article from last year:
http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/06/15/eve-online/

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Current Eve server hardware is probably one of the best, if not the best, hardware in the whole gaming industry.

Also, just like in-game battles, if you increased the server cap of Jita it would just be a matter of time before we reach that cap again. Maybe less quickly than for eve battles but still.

So with the current size of battles that are happening in 0.0 where you have to implement Tidi to make it playable at all, and the fact that Jita is frequently being capped to save the node dying. Would you conclude that it is logical to assume that the current hardware that Eve is run on is insufficient for it's intended purpose going forward?

As been said before, the biggest limiting factor to eve right now is the old code that was designed for single core units, and is not very well suited to be scaleable. Back when eve was made the big things was more GHZ. Then a few years later, intel dropped the core two duo/dual core processor, so the trend switched from MORE GHZ to MORE CORES. If you have code, that's can't scale across cores very easily then it won't matter how many cores you have, it still won't efficiently use them.

I used this analogy before, TQ is like the smoothest, flattest, more frictonless and aero dynamic road you can get. The code is a pinto. You are trying to drive a pinto down this perfect raod and expect it to go like a farari. It can't, cause its a ******* pinto.

So they seem to be slowly fixing old code, like the crime watch, bounty and other fixes. With things like brain in the box in the works, and other fixes we should see a huge improvement. EvE REALLY needs a rewrite in areas that can not be changed over easily. Then would make a huge improvement. But there is still no other game out there that can event remotely handle 2k+ people in one system doing things. at one time jita had I think 5k in it and was running decently, but that was ages ago and I could be wrong.

That's pretty much it. In terms of hardware we look at the balance between high CPU clock frequency and high memory bus bandwidth and then work on the legacy systems that need to be improved and/or multi-threaded.

I suspect this is nothing more than an AFK cloaking thread...

First off, there is nothing I've seen that said the population issue is due to bot spammers. I would venture to guess they are actually a small percentage of the thousands of players in Jita at any given time.

Second, It's not CCP's problem. CCP didn't make Jita the #1 trade hub in the universe, players did.

Don't like it? Speak with your isk. Go spend it at one of the other trade hubs.

Since it was locked I could not add my constructive comment about kicking out the bot spam.

Instead of locking out jita to players why not go in an kick out players that are spaming local all the time. This would lower server load and allow the people that pay for this game the access we want.

I would not have any issues with the spam if the server could handle the load but it clearly can't. This effects the game play for other users and in my view is not fair to us that want to trade.

I know Jita is a high volume system and it is run on it's own sever. But it's getting to the point where you need to decide.

- kick spamers out

or

- Give Jita a second server till the spamers fill it up as well.

Just by being in the system they are adding to load. Unless of course you are denying player count in system has any impact at all.... Just kick them the hell out and give Jita a channel that can be accessed anywhere like other channels. No matter what you say, the amount of spammers is ridiculous and people need to get in and out trade.

or

allow us to buy / sell in adjacent systems and use NPC transporters to move the orders in and out of the system.

Something Like

Right click - Buy item X
Select option to request item be delivered to your station/stystem (extra isk charge on top)
complete purchase
After 30 seconds, the item appears in your inventory with a notification that NPC X corp has delivered your items. This can only be done in the systems adjacent to the 4 main hub systems.

Does a cpu compress data that's getting shared in between nodes, to reduce bandwith? I'm asking if you're trading cpu cycles for bandwith. I imagine that even if the eve server software doesn't run multithreaded, there are ways to relay the data to different cores and having them compress them before sending.

I'm just asking. I realize that you have tons of gigabits travelling around and so I figure that even one byte less in every data package is a win already.

Be it in Jita or elsewhere, present a player with a popup every 15 minutes of mouse movement inactivity asking "Remain logged in? Y/N", where not responding within 1 minute results in an auto-logoff. They don't have to do anything, just move their mouse once every 15 minutes to remain un-prompted.

Don't just do it for Jita, AFK cloakers, server load or for AFK war targets....do it for the children.

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Kicking the twenty people that spam will do nothing.
There is no reason for you to be in Jita so stop going there.
How are people this stupid?

allow us to buy / sell in adjacent systems and use NPC transporters to move the orders in and out of the system.

x = Time Dilation will be at 100% most of the time, stay between 80-100% nearly all of the time, and only very rarely go below 80%.

Why not run a cap based on the TiDi factor instead or a fixed number of pilots ?

One thing someone at CCP has mentioned before is how they have to change the population cap when expansions come out, because the percentage of docked players in Jita changes for a brief period after an expansion comes out. A TiDi based lock on the gate would automatically adjust to that and to any server side improvements.

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Enter.

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Most of the time this is the same and a (mostly) stable population cap is more clear and predictable for players than a dynamic TiDi-based cap.

The first can be picked by adjusting the algorithm to calculate a players route to never pick Jita unless Jita is one of the waypoints a player has set. How does the algorithm pick which system to go through when both produce trips with the same number of jumps ?

Most of the time this is the same and a (mostly) stable population cap is more clear and predictable for players than a dynamic TiDi-based cap.

Does a cpu compress data that's getting shared in between nodes, to reduce bandwith? I'm asking if you're trading cpu cycles for bandwith. I imagine that even if the eve server software doesn't run multithreaded, there are ways to relay the data to different cores and having them compress them before sending.

I'm just asking. I realize that you have tons of gigabits travelling around and so I figure that even one byte less in every data package is a win already.


Thank you!

Stop and make the calculations. The ammount of data that needs to transit OUT and Into jita is rather small in fact . PRobably the bottleneck profile in jita is way different than ina fleet battle where the massive syncronized jump ins are the main problem.

FFS just add NPC couriers that will take stuff to and from New Caldari, Perimeter etc for a fee... and small delay.

Those other trade hubs are literally populated by peasants. All the action is in Jita. Go there and get with the program.

Spammers in Jita local don't contribute to the load that much since chat is on its own nodes. The load in Jita primarily stems from the traffic to and from the system, i.e., the transport, pilots jumping in and out of the system and docking/undocking. A fair amount of processing goes into delivering the market transactions (but the market itself is on another node). Then there is always some pew-pew to process.

Jita is by far the largest market hub in EVE but we cap it at 2175 pilots. Jita has a dedicated node to itself, one of the fleet fight nodes. Next are Amarr, Dodixie, and Rens. We don't cap them but dedicate Amarr on regular hardware.

Top stations are:

Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant
Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy
Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant
Rens VI - Moon 8 - Brutor Tribe Treasury

Is there a chance that perhaps a queue system could be introduced to make access into Jita more predictable instead of "Who spams jump the most"?

I logged out in JIta and now can't seem to log back in. Do i just need to weather the storm or should i file a petition?

Because remote asset management is weak at best and remote trading is only any good for adjusting prices while stuck in New Caldari. If CCP adds the ability to remote-work with proper UI on another station's assets then that might be different.

Is there a chance that perhaps a queue system could be introduced to make access into Jita more predictable instead of "Who spams jump the most"?

Yes, especially Hek. Not only peasants, but rude peasants.

Lets have a contest! Whats your record number of tries before either logging into Jita or jumping in?
Mine: 58 tries to log in before success.

If you start blocking spammers in Jita, you quickly diminish them to near nothing with just a handful of blocks...like 15.

Also, CCP are using the servers to mine bitcoins.

Brilliant idea here. Get your freighter in during low peak times in Jita. Buy your stuff and log out. Log back in during peak time and get your free move to another system.

Is there a chance that perhaps a queue system could be introduced to make access into Jita more predictable instead of "Who spams jump the most"?

How much would it cost to double the population cap?

Record high or record low?

It is the same bottleneck.

The traffic at jita gates while substantial does not cause so many session changes in the same server tick as we see when 800 ships cyno into a system (based solely on my observations). Therefore I must conclude that the dock/ undock party at Jita 4-4 is so detrimental to performance?

All this I say thinking that surely market transactions are not bound to the same issues of "single cpu" bottloneck per system since the market gives impression of being processed at region level.

Typical IZ post - "give it, CCP, I wants it, my preciousssss!", rather than "I already have the tools to deal with this so why don't I get on with it and stop complaining?".

The solution in this situation is obvious, get people out of Jita and using surrounding systems as well. Not put a queue on the gate.

Creating a trading district out of surrounding systems is an obvious solution, a small fee and small wait both remove the reason for a queue, create an isk sink and instead of waiting at a gate clicking jump you wait in station.

Nope it's typical CCP inability to address an issue properly. They always address issues not by solving the problem but by implementing a bandaid.

The problem is there are too many people jumping, docking, undocking while surrounding systems remain untaxed. The solution in this situation is obvious, get people out of Jita and using surrounding systems as well. Not put a queue on the gate.

Creating a trading district out of surrounding systems is an obvious solution, a small fee and small wait both remove the reason for a queue, create an isk sink and instead of waiting at a gate clicking jump you wait in station.

Spammers in Jita local don't contribute to the load that much since chat is on its own nodes. Jita is by far the largest market hub in EVE but we cap it at 2175 pilots.

So in other words, the spammers don't cause that much server load, but they do are the reason legit players can't actually get in. You need to address that. Jita has always been bad, but it's so out of proportion at the moment. Half of those spammers are probably bots anyway.

So in other words, the spammers don't cause that much server load, but they do are the reason legit players can't actually get in.

No. In other words, the spammers don't cause that much sever load so they are not the reason legit players can't get in. If they were removed, the cap would just be lowered to maintain the same node load and you'd still not get in.

so can we blame red frog for constantly docking and undocking with freighter alts?

That's a bit unfair. We can blame everyone going to Jita for the crowding in Jita. Big shock.

i refuse to blame myself for creating a situation that i dislike.

No. In other words, the spammers don't cause that much sever load so they are not the reason legit players can't get in. If they were removed, the cap would just be lowered to maintain the same node load and you'd still not get in.

you do realise what you just said is "i don't like how they play the game, therefore you should remove them". right?

Nope it's typical CCP inability to address an issue properly. They always address issues not by solving the problem but by implementing a bandaid.

The problem is there are too many people jumping, docking, undocking while surrounding systems remain untaxed. The solution in this situation is obvious, get people out of Jita and using surrounding systems as well. Not put a queue on the gate.

Creating a trading district out of surrounding systems is an obvious solution, a small fee and small wait both remove the reason for a queue, create an isk sink and instead of waiting at a gate clicking jump you wait in station.

I literally quoted his words.

The spammers don't cause that much load but the system is still capped at 2175 pilots. If there's 1000 spammers and the system is capped at 2175 then there's only room for 1175 players. So yes, the spammers do prevent actual players from logging or jumping in to Jita.

Let me just leave you with the EVE rules of conduct:

Spamming is prohibited.
"Spam" is considered to be a repetitive display of the same text again and again in an effort to aggravate other channel patrons. Using all caps is also considered spamming and not permitted.

So no, I don't like spammers. They can get lost. The fact that half of them are automated bots just spamming the same junk every 30 seconds is annoying. The fact they are blocking legitimate players from logging in or entering Jita is unacceptable and CCP should be much more aggressive on this.

considering most of the "spam" in jita, doesn't violate the rule you quoted last i opened jita chat, i think ccp are being aggressive enough.

GǪbut you didn't understand what he was saying.

GǪexcept that if the spammers weren't there, the system cap would be 1175 players. So you would still not get in. They're not preventing anyone from logging or jumping in.

That makes no sense at all. The current cap is 2175 and if spammers are taking up 1000 of those (or whatever arbitrary number) then that directly cuts in to the 2175 total pilots allowed.

Your reasoning goes out from the assumption that for every spammer removed, the cap would the lowered as well and the total amount of 'legitimate' players would stay the same, so 1175 in our example.

You do realise that local in Jita is completely useless right. There's the same people spamming the same message every 5 seconds just to make sure their message is the most visible, completely blocking out all other communication in the channel. That is the definition of spamming.

You do realise that local in Jita is completely useless right. There's the same people spamming the same message every 5 seconds just to make sure their message is the most visible, completely blocking out all other communication in the channel. That is the definition of spamming.

Not to mention (like I said) that a very large amount of these spammers are just automated bots. There is no human input there. It's a tool just spamming the chat channels, all day every day.

See above

of course i realise it's completely useless, but that's subjective because i have no interest in anything that's ever posted in local. i have no interest in isk doubling, or contract sales.

Just because YOU don't have any interested in Jita Local, doesn't mean the rest of EVE doesn't either. Way to speak for all of us.

Your assumption isn't based on any facts.

Unless Explorer comes in here to confirm that the cap is there with the fact that x % of it will be spammers

And yes, that is the same definition.

So yes, you have to go on to show that they're actually causing any kind of aggravation.

I must have missed that, where was it written how the cap was determined? And yea, repetitive spam that makes any kind of other communication impossible is aggravating.

it's not up to ccp to create a "trading district" around jita. besides; nobody wants it. everything is conveniently located in jita 4-4 for trading purposes. i don't want to have to jump around 6 different systems to buy/sell stuff. that's the whole point of me going to jita.

jita practically exists because people do not want what you're suggesting.

So who is it up to God? After 8 years the players are definitely not going to do it.

It's up to CCP as developers to adjust the game if it needs adjusting. Part of being a developer is to listen to user feedback and redesign in areas where players are unnecessarily frustrated by mechanics.

The idea was a trade district, not separate areas. So if you were in perimeter, new caldari etc you could purchase and sell as though you were in Jita. It would just cost you a fee to get it transferred.

I must have missed that, where was it written how the cap was determined? And yea, repetitive spam that makes any kind of other communication impossible is aggravating.

So who is it up to God? After 8 years the players are definitely not going to do it.

See above.

What's actually going on that you need to have a cap as low as 2175?

Lots of people logging in, jumping in, and undocking, which requires large amounts of calculations to set up their in-space object. Unfortunately, it's also not something that TiDi is a very good countermeasure for, which is why everyone is (or was) hoping for some progress on the brain-in-a-box project that would sideload all those calculations onto a separate server.

Fleets generate a completely different kind of load. Sure, when it jumps in, all those calculations have to be run, which creates a momentary spike, but once that's done, everything else is just the standard ongoing simulation running at whatever speed it needs to run at. That load is generally much smaller per ship than the complex task of fetching all character, ship, module, etc. data, mashing it together and producing a single object for the simulation to handle.

You could have just quoted "The session changes???" and responded with "Yes" and it would have been the same response in a one-liner.

Yes, but it's worth pointing out the difference they make compared to regular fleet action to explain the difference in numbers. It's also worth pointing out that TiDi isn't fully up to the task of handing this particular load.

Then it's obviously not a particularly big problem, or people would have long since started using the many tools at our disposal to remove it.

Yeah this fantastic logic. "There's no problem with the application because if there was the users would have worked around it years ago."

No. In other words, the spammers don't cause that much sever load so they are not the reason legit players can't get in. If they were removed, the cap would just be lowered to maintain the same node load and you'd still not get in.

GǪa cap that is set to accommodate the 1175 non-spammers and the 1000 spammers. If you were to remove the spammers, somehow, the cap would be set to 1175 instead since that's how much load the system can take (after all, the spammers don't contribute to that load). The cap is set based on the load generated by the players logging or jumping into the system. Removing the people that add nothing to that load would just reveal that the actual cap is 1175, so you'd still have just as many slots available for the non-spammers and you'd still not get in.

Again what Tippia said.

Your assumption isn't based on any facts. You just think that's how it works. Unless Explorer comes in here to confirm that the cap is there with the fact that x % of it will be spammers; you're talking rubbish. It makes just as much sense to say that spammers removed from the system free up space for legitimate players.

You know what's kind of irritating?

Jita is capped at 2175 only.

All market transactions are done on a different node.
All chatting is done on a different node.

This actually removes two of the most engaged things happening in Jita 4-4, right?

... and that's kind of irritating. I'd bet that most people believe that trading and chatting are the things
actually slowing the node down the most.

So ... what's actually slowing down the node so much?

The session changes ?? Jita does have quite a few gates and there are always several people
at the New Caldari and Perimeter gates. Then we have several stations too.

Is it true?

Why did I write 'only' in my second line? Because 2175 isn't that much, if you put it into context.

If you look at the bloodbath of B-R5RB and think of all the things that are going on, including amount of ships, drones, session changes due to explosions/jump-ins, people clicking modules, PHYSICS!, etc etc ...

Yes, there's TiDi at 10% ... but the node wasn't even reinforced !

TL;DR: There was SO much more going on in B-R5RB which ran on a non-reinforced node with population count comparable to the one of Jita for quite a while. Jita runs on a reinforced node AND has two of the most happening things in system outsourced onto a different node!

What's actually going on that you need to have a cap as low as 2175?

The load in Jita is primarily session changes. There are 4 types: Pilots jumping into the system and out of the system, pilots docking and undocking (mostly at 4-4). Secondary load is inventory transactions: There are mostly two types: Pilots going from one location to another (see session changes above), and market items being put onto the market and being delivered from the market (note, the market itself is then on other nodes). Tertiary load is then warping and pew-pew.

Allow us to transport stuff in and out of jita via npc type mechanics and then we cann finally put this to bed. Telling us not to bother using Jita as a lot of trolls do, is rediculous.

Lots of people logging in, jumping in, and undocking, which requires large amounts of calculations to set up their in-space object. Unfortunately, it's also not something that TiDi is a very good countermeasure for, which is why everyone is (or was) hoping for some progress on the brain-in-a-box project that would sideload all those calculations onto a separate server.

Fleets generate a completely different kind of load. Sure, when it jumps in, all those calculations have to be run, which creates a momentary spike, but once that's done, everything else is just the standard ongoing simulation running at whatever speed it needs to run at. That load is generally much smaller per ship than the complex task of fetching all character, ship, module, etc. data, mashing it together and producing a single object for the simulation to handle.

Why should NPCs be handed a job players can do just fine on their own?

Indeed, use a player-courier service or go to any of the other major hubs:

(Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant)
Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy
Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant
Rens VI - Moon 8 - Brutor Tribe Treasury

TLDR

If Jita is over capacity so go some place else to do market stuff. If you don't get into Jita thats your problem. But don't worry CCP will devote all assets they can to making sure 4K dudes can shoot each other at .01% Real Time in 0.0 space.

And why should i fly 20 jumps away from my area of operations, just to use dodixie or the other markets (and probably pay more than i would have done) ? and what is the point of jita if we all had to go elsewhere ?

Actually Jita's node is more powerful than the fleet battle nodes (although some of the super-hyped battles have borrowed the Jita node for a day).

Overhauling session changes (brain in the box) needs to be an super high priority though, as that will drastically help trade hubs and fleet battles alike. Of course I'm assuming it's a really complex problem you can't just throw manpower at, but the Jita situation is pretty darn bad now. There's absolutely no other system in the universe where you can trade high volumes of isk

[quote=Mario Putzo]TLDR

If Jita is over capacity so go some place else to do market stuff. If you don't get into Jita thats your problem. But don't worry CCP will devote all assets they can to making sure 4K dudes can shoot each other at .01% Real Time in 0.0 space.

Exactly but why is Jita capped, but space fights are not.

Yet nearly every time there is a nullsec fight CCP trips all over themselves trying to make the blob fights more convenient.

Maybe if the guys in nullsec weren't seeing CCP bend over backwards to accommodate

It's up to CCP as developers to adjust the game if it needs adjusting. Part of being a developer is to listen to user feedback and redesign in areas where players are unnecessarily frustrated by mechanics.

Not exactly true the blade with the core that jita runs on has 3 other cores that can run at the same level as jita. one is used for systems that a battle node as been requested for and the other two are assigned other trade systems or other high usage systems.

TQ-SOL0100 is actually an 8 core machine, with 4 cores turned off so we can run the other 4 overclocked. Jita is on one of 4 nodes (we run a node per active core) and the other 3 are reserved for fleet fights (see https://community.eveonline.com/support/fleet-fight/). Amarr also has a dedicated node, but less powerful hardware.

Amarr also has a dedicated node, but less powerful hardware.

Indeed, use a player-courier service or go to any of the other major hubs:

(Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant)
Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy
Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant
Rens VI - Moon 8 - Brutor Tribe Treasury

Allow us to transport stuff in and out of jita via npc type mechanics and then we cann finally put this to bed. Telling us not to bother using Jita as a lot of trolls do, is rediculous.

TQ-SOL0100 is actually an 8 core machine, with 4 cores turned off so we can run the other 4 overclocked. Jita is on one of 4 nodes (we run a node per active core) and the other 3 are reserved for fleet fights (see https://community.eveonline.com/support/fleet-fight/). Amarr also has a dedicated node, but less powerful hardware.