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Crystal Liche ACME Mineral and Gas 25	Posted - 2011.11.11 01:30:00 - [61] - Quote Paragon Renegade wrote: Anybody who falls for a scam in Jita, "Invests" in a corp or "Is recruited by" Goonswarm, they deserve to lose everything and die a horrible death It is not about falling for them, it is the trashy impression they give of the game. Put aside your macho self serving attitude and keep in mind this game has to compete in the real world for paying customers, if it can't it will close. I'd love to see the new player retention numbers, I'll bet it is really bad. New players in this game are basically a commodity that vets feed on.
Paragon Renegade The Multinational Company. 81	Posted - 2011.11.11 01:34:00 - [62] - Quote Crystal Liche wrote: Paragon Renegade wrote: Anybody who falls for a scam in Jita, "Invests" in a corp or "Is recruited by" Goonswarm, they deserve to lose everything and die a horrible death It is not about falling for them, it is the trashy impression they give of the game. Put aside your macho self serving attitude and keep in mind this game has to compete in the real world for paying customers, if it can't it will close. I'd love to see the new player retention numbers, I'll bet it is really bad. New players in this game are basically a commodity that vets feed on. I'm a new player I was bombarded by scams galore Really, if you're that much of an idiot to fall for these obvious scams, I don't think you should've picked up the game to begin with. "Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?" "How wrong you are"
Crystal Liche ACME Mineral and Gas 25	Posted - 2011.11.11 01:36:00 - [63] - Quote Paragon Renegade wrote: Crystal Liche wrote: Paragon Renegade wrote: Anybody who falls for a scam in Jita, "Invests" in a corp or "Is recruited by" Goonswarm, they deserve to lose everything and die a horrible death It is not about falling for them, it is the trashy impression they give of the game. Put aside your macho self serving attitude and keep in mind this game has to compete in the real world for paying customers, if it can't it will close. I'd love to see the new player retention numbers, I'll bet it is really bad. New players in this game are basically a commodity that vets feed on. I'm a new player I was bombarded by scams galore Really, if you're that much of an idiot to fall for these obvious scams, I don't think you should've picked up the game to begin with. Reading comprehension is your friend.
Paragon Renegade The Multinational Company. 81	Posted - 2011.11.11 01:40:00 - [64] - Quote Crystal Liche wrote: Reading comprehension is your friend. Might want to try roll a bit more when dodging those replies. If someone plays this game, doesn't read-up about it, and gets their meta-asses handed to them, so it will be. The main appeal of Eve is how unforgiving & harsh it is; take that away, and you have yet another generic, boring game. "Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?" "How wrong you are"
Lyris Nairn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3194	Posted - 2011.11.11 01:40:00 - [65] - Quote Paragon Renegade wrote: Anybody who falls for a scam in Jita, "Invests" in a corp or "Is recruited by" Goonswarm, they deserve to lose everything and die a horrible death I appreciate the fact that you "like" a lot of my posts, but I do not appreciate the insinuation that Goonswarm is in some way dishonourable or that it is impossible to legitimately join us. Nothing could be further from the truth. Scamming is a very vocal minority among the membership of Goonswarm, because to be quite honest it is an effort-intensive pastime that often does not pay off nearly as well as the celebrated successes would lead one to believe; moreover, recruitment while often a source of scamming marks for unscrupulous people in any sizable entity is also something that we take fairly seriously in Goonfleet and to my knowledge always have. My account here on EVE Online predates my account on Something Awful by a couple of years, and I had no trouble at all joining; there is a random guy who sings songs on YouTube who doesn't even have a Something Awful account who we are actually trying to convince to join Goonswarm just because he'd be amusing to have on Mumble. There are many different examples that I can point to of legitimate recruitment, and all of them share a common theme: those persons were intelligent enough to identify and follow the appropriate procedure for joining the corporation. That procedure is not at all difficult to find, nor is it difficult to follow; yet, there are dozens or perhaps hundreds of people who simply can't figure it out even when it's lain before them in plain English, and they are an endless source of amusement. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Theta Squad : Best Squad
Chelone Outside The Asylum 6	Posted - 2011.11.11 01:41:00 - [66] - Quote The future of Eve is to limp along until it's finally bested and run out of the market by a competent replacement. Stopping scamming would keep some players, but it would also lose some players when you take away more of the "harshness" of the game.
Paragon Renegade The Multinational Company. 81	Posted - 2011.11.11 01:43:00 - [67] - Quote Lyris Nairn wrote: I never said it was in any way the norm, and I can appreciate your attempt to repair your corp/alliance's irrepairable reputation, but I honestly laughed-out loud at the recruitment scams "Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?" "How wrong you are"
Crystal Liche ACME Mineral and Gas 25	Posted - 2011.11.11 01:44:00 - [68] - Quote Paragon Renegade wrote: Crystal Liche wrote: Reading comprehension is your friend. Might want to try roll a bit more when dodging those replies. If someone plays this game, doesn't read-up about it, and gets their meta-asses handed to them, so it will be. The main appeal of Eve is how unforgiving & harsh it is; take that away, and you have yet another generic, boring game. You reapeated the same lame macho thing without reading, like I said, reading comprehension...
Paragon Renegade The Multinational Company. 81	Posted - 2011.11.11 01:46:00 - [69] - Quote Crystal Liche wrote: Paragon Renegade wrote: Crystal Liche wrote: Reading comprehension is your friend. Might want to try roll a bit more when dodging those replies. If someone plays this game, doesn't read-up about it, and gets their meta-asses handed to them, so it will be. The main appeal of Eve is how unforgiving & harsh it is; take that away, and you have yet another generic, boring game. You reapeated the same lame macho thing without reading, like I said, reading comprehension... Like I completely neglected to say, idgaf. Scamming is is essentially the embodiment of the game, I'm not being macho, it's just the truth "Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?" "How wrong you are"
Kengutsi Akira Ministry of War Amarr Empire 153	Posted - 2011.11.11 01:54:00 - [70] - Quote Diosas wrote: Kengutsi Akira wrote: Dyner wrote: The answer is Yes and No Yes, scamming prevents the game from reaching it's Player Base potential. no cause really BIG scams BRING ppl into the game. is there evidence of this? or just assumptions? lol youre trolling right? http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/08/12/biggest-eve-online-scam-ever-recorded-nets-over-a-trillion-isk/ cause things like that, or knowing you CAN, you have the FREEDOM to do things like that in a game is a DRAW not a negative. Might as well ask the same question for espionage. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722 My stance on WiS
Dyner Midgard Protectorate 30	Posted - 2011.11.11 02:00:00 - [71] - Quote Kengutsi Akira wrote: Diosas wrote: Kengutsi Akira wrote: Dyner wrote: The answer is Yes and No Yes, scamming prevents the game from reaching it's Player Base potential. no cause really BIG scams BRING ppl into the game. is there evidence of this? or just assumptions? lol youre trolling right? http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/08/12/biggest-eve-online-scam-ever-recorded-nets-over-a-trillion-isk/ cause things like that, or knowing you CAN, you have the FREEDOM to do things like that in a game is a DRAW not a negative. Might as well ask the same question for espionage. It draws some, but not as many as being carebear [ see WoW ]. Quality > Quantity EVE-style > WoW-style I just hope CCP doesn't decide to change. Not a whole lotta games out there that allow you to **** with people.
Lyris Nairn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3195	Posted - 2011.11.11 02:04:00 - [72] - Quote Paragon Renegade wrote: Lyris Nairn wrote: I never said it was in any way the norm, and I can appreciate your attempt to repair your corp/alliance's irrepairable reputation, but I honestly laughed-out loud at the recruitment scams You have a pouty face. What can I do to turn that frown upside down? Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Theta Squad : Best Squad
Kengutsi Akira Ministry of War Amarr Empire 153	Posted - 2011.11.11 02:05:00 - [73] - Quote Dyner wrote: Kengutsi Akira wrote: Dyner wrote: The answer is Yes and No Yes, scamming prevents the game from reaching it's Player Base potential. no cause really BIG scams BRING ppl into the game. Doesn't bring in as many as it deters. BTW: I play this game because I don't like hand-holding. I don't like being 'safe'. AND I DON'T LIKE WHINY BRATS COMING IN THE GAME GOING "WAAAAH, IT'S TO HARD!" An I dont like whiny brats coming into the game going "WAAAAAH I DINT LIKE THIS MECHANIC CCP SAVE MEEE!!!!" https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722 My stance on WiS
Kengutsi Akira Ministry of War Amarr Empire 153	Posted - 2011.11.11 02:06:00 - [74] - Quote Dyner wrote: It draws some, but not as many as being carebear [ see WoW ]. yeah lets turn EVE into that https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722 My stance on WiS
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 47	Posted - 2011.11.11 02:13:00 - [75] - Quote Kengutsi Akira wrote: Diosas wrote: Kengutsi Akira wrote: Dyner wrote: The answer is Yes and No Yes, scamming prevents the game from reaching it's Player Base potential. no cause really BIG scams BRING ppl into the game. is there evidence of this? or just assumptions? lol youre trolling right? http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/08/12/biggest-eve-online-scam-ever-recorded-nets-over-a-trillion-isk/ cause things like that, or knowing you CAN, you have the FREEDOM to do things like that in a game is a DRAW not a negative. Might as well ask the same question for espionage. Uh-huh .. and that trilion of isk has been scammed from few weeks old character at recruite chanell ? Honestly i dont see reason for or against such rule. It doesnt really matter. Only thing it can provoke is pointless/repetitive work for GMs to sort all those who start playing this game and somehow find out that they have been scamed and its somehow tied to some text nobody ever reads and they can petition it and hope to get other answer than ** happens get over it. HTFU o guess it was or is.. probably wrong thread, got it mixed up.. My apology**
Kengutsi Akira Ministry of War Amarr Empire 153	Posted - 2011.11.11 02:14:00 - [76] - Quote Krios Ahzek wrote: Diosas wrote: Kengutsi Akira wrote: Dyner wrote: The answer is Yes and No Yes, scamming prevents the game from reaching it's Player Base potential. no cause really BIG scams BRING ppl into the game. is there evidence of this? or just assumptions? I read that story about the Great Scam years ago and it was the memory of it, coupled with the few news stories of similar events on gaming sites and forums, that made me install this game and subscribe for 12 months in a blind leap of faith. Me too but it was GHSC https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722 My stance on WiS
Maxpie Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations 10	Posted - 2011.11.11 02:34:00 - [77] - Quote Back in the day reputation meant something. Scamming was an interesting aspect of the game. Now, with the proliferation of alts you have every Tom, **** and Harry endlessly doing the same tired old scams. It's not surprising that the game looks like a worthless cesspool to many prospective new players. Make no mistake about it, that is Eve's reputation. I try to explain that there's so much more to the game, but new players just see the garbage and decide the game isn't their cup of tea.
Fix Lag 176	Posted - 2011.11.11 02:36:00 - [78] - Quote Yeah I understand it's hard to sell Eve to your friends when CCP lets it turn into a piece of **** by not releasing an expansion for two years
Dyner Midgard Protectorate 30	Posted - 2011.11.11 02:37:00 - [79] - Quote Maxpie wrote: Back in the day reputation meant something. Scamming was an interesting aspect of the game. Now, with the proliferation of alts you have every Tom, **** and Harry endlessly doing the same tired old scams. It's not surprising that the game looks like a worthless cesspool to many prospective new players. Make no mistake about it, that is Eve's reputation. I try to explain that there's so much more to the game, but new players just see the garbage and decide the game isn't their cup of tea. Can only scam the willing.
Kengutsi Akira Ministry of War Amarr Empire 153	Posted - 2011.11.11 02:37:00 - [80] - Quote wait... this is EVE... Its THE leet of the leet hardcore games. I thought we didnt WANT every "Tom **** and Harry" here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722 My stance on WiS
Zions Child Odyssey Inc SpaceMonkey's Alliance 61	Posted - 2011.11.11 02:38:00 - [81] - Quote You know why I didn't read the OP? Because if you think scamming is killing EVE, you're killing EVE. **** off.
Nariya Kentaya Celestial Ascension 63	Posted - 2011.11.11 02:43:00 - [82] - Quote Lyris Nairn wrote: Not to drop names or anything, but there is a certain Star Wars-themed MMO that is debuting soon that might be more up your alley if an experience closer to World of Warcraft than EVE Online is what you prefer. There is also a Star Trek-themed MMO, and I am sure if you look that you could find many other examples of the "standard" MMO fare, set in space. What differentiates EVE Online from other MMOs isn't so much that it's set in space, since as I said that niche has been trespassed by other MMOs by now, but that there is a certain type of laissez-faire and dystopian Wild West feel to it that invites you in with promises of the ability to do stuff that matters in the only way that truly can matterGÇöby having a real and lasting effect on other players. bolded, itlicized, and underlined whats important... if CCP ever makes a second MMO, it should be a firefly MMO.
Keen Fallsword Billionaires Club C0VEN 14	Posted - 2011.11.11 02:48:00 - [83] - Quote Future ? What Future ?
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 311	Posted - 2011.11.11 03:42:00 - [84] - Quote Big Bad Mofo wrote: [...]very rarely you see point and click games or those adventure games etc all a big thing in the past but not really anymore.[...] Oooohohoho... but i beg to differe... You, kind sir, obvioulsy know nothing about PnC games and their popularity. Rated ARG for Pirates. *** you.*
Krios Ahzek Juvenis Iratus 97	Posted - 2011.11.11 03:51:00 - [85] - Quote Keen Fallsword wrote: Future ? What Future ? The one we're living in right now. Let the galaxy burn.
Gealla Capital Storm. Shadow of xXDEATHXx 21	Posted - 2011.11.11 03:54:00 - [86] - Quote Kengutsi Akira wrote: Diosas wrote: Kengutsi Akira wrote: Dyner wrote: The answer is Yes and No Yes, scamming prevents the game from reaching it's Player Base potential. no cause really BIG scams BRING ppl into the game. is there evidence of this? or just assumptions? lol youre trolling right? http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/08/12/biggest-eve-online-scam-ever-recorded-nets-over-a-trillion-isk/ cause things like that, or knowing you CAN, you have the FREEDOM to do things like that in a game is a DRAW not a negative. Might as well ask the same question for espionage. A good scam will have more victims than scammers, or else the money just isn't there (obviously excluding 1 on 1 scams) so even though brilliant scams will attract scammers to the game, they will deter a significantly higher number of victims from ever playing (i think this is the point some are trying to make) And yes I think it is assumption based on personal experiences, folks that like to scam probably know and associate with others of the same ilk. Those that don't, won't....personally i've been in different corps with hundreds of different players and only a small % were into scamming in a big way, so there must be something else that attracts people to this game.....
Elise DarkStar DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium 137	Posted - 2011.11.11 04:18:00 - [87] - Quote I will say that over the past month I have noticed a, no hyperbole, shocking amount of people that manage to play this game for a substantial period without understanding some of its defining features like scamming and ganking. I am against changing any mechanics to help better protect people, but perhaps CCP is failing to inform people of some of the aspects of the game they are signing up to play. I fully embrace the darker side of Eve, yet I might be upset if I somehow managed to accumulate something worth losing without understanding that it can be lost. Normally I'd say it's just stupid people being stupid, but the general discourse on the forums lately has made me think that perhaps this is a serious problem with how the game is being marketed now.
Krios Ahzek Juvenis Iratus 97	Posted - 2011.11.11 04:25:00 - [88] - Quote Elise DarkStar wrote: I will say that over the past month I have noticed a, no hyperbole, shocking amount of people that manage to play this game for a substantial period without understanding some of its defining features like scamming and ganking. I am against changing any mechanics to help better protect people, but perhaps CCP is failing to inform people of some of the aspects of the game they are signing up to play. I fully embrace the darker side of Eve, yet I might be upset if I somehow managed to accumulate something worth losing without understanding that it can be lost. Normally I'd say it's just stupid people being stupid, but the general discourse on the forums lately has made me think that perhaps this is a serious problem with how the game is being marketed now. The only way for that to happen is to play EVE as a single player game for years. I have no idea how they manage this. Softly schooling you one post at a time since 2011-10-27
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 432	Posted - 2011.11.11 04:40:00 - [89] - Quote A well executed scam is a thing of beauty. A true artist can pull a perfect scam and write up an entertaining story about it for all to read. Over the years I have enjoyed reading about (and even participating in) some of these masterful feats of legerdemain. On the other hand running a scambot in Jita local is just plain annoying and should be cracked down on. Seriously, there needs to be a line between scamming and sheer stupid pissing people off. It's about the greater good. Sure fleece the stupid. It's how we teach them. But some of you people think you can do any stupid thing you want and it's fine just because. Well it's not fine, imo. Push it and CCP will shut you down. Hard. It's happened before. It's happening now. And it will happen in the future. Stop being so selfish and arrogant and start playing the game like you care about it. Mr Epeen If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet.
Admiral Ripstar Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2011.11.11 04:47:00 - [90] - Quote The solution to all Eve's problems. Make Tranq. like SiSi. We could blow ships up all day. Have epic battles without worry of loss ships or isk. Undock 1000's of Titans just to watch them blow up.

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