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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.11.11 04:51:00 -
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You, sir, do not deserve the name BIG BAD MOFO. You are anything but, carebear. :) EVE Online: Incarna - New Coke EVE Online: Winter Expansion - Coke Classic |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
100
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Posted - 2011.11.11 04:52:00 -
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Admiral Ripstar wrote:The solution to all Eve's problems. Make Tranq. like SiSi. We could blow ships up all day. Have epic battles without worry of loss ships or isk. Undock 1000's of Titans just to watch them blow up.
And consequently, make everything meaningless.
Have you never played a single player game with cheat codes on? Softly schooling you one post at a time since 2011-10-27 |
Shawn Pierce
Wandering Incursion Exterminators
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Posted - 2011.11.11 05:00:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote:I will say that over the past month I have noticed a, no hyperbole, shocking amount of people that manage to play this game for a substantial period without understanding some of its defining features like scamming and ganking. I am against changing any mechanics to help better protect people, but perhaps CCP is failing to inform people of some of the aspects of the game they are signing up to play.
I fully embrace the darker side of Eve, yet I might be upset if I somehow managed to accumulate something worth losing without understanding that it can be lost.
Normally I'd say it's just stupid people being stupid, but the general discourse on the forums lately has made me think that perhaps this is a serious problem with how the game is being marketed now. No, it's the general trend of where the real world is going, at least in the US. Everything is being made easier and more convenient. Safer. You don't see metal jungle gyms and swing sets and monkey bars any more -- they're all being made of plastic now. Less injuries that way or something (less lawsuits is my theory, but anyway...). Everybody's metaphorically putting their kids in bubble wrap before sending them out into the real world. Education is going the same way -- high school students are supposed to pass two major tests in order to graduate, and yet they can fail one of them three times and the system will still let them graduate without actually passing that (supposedly required) test. Even if the students pass both tests, they still aren't really equipped for the world that awaits them.
Other MMOs are for the bubble-wrapped kiddies. EVE appeals to those who have realized that the rest of life isn't as easy as graduating from high school. I hope it stays that way. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
81
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Posted - 2011.11.11 05:06:00 -
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If CCP took steps to protect people from being scammed (more than they already have) by their own stupidity, I think EVE would lose it's player base that keeps people logging in. EVE's allure is primarily based on it's devious nature and high drama. Scamming adds to that drama in such a drastic way that I believe EVE would die faster by keeping scamming in tact.
You can chose to be a scammer in EVE or you can chose to follow the path of e-bushido and find ways to white knight the dumb. It's entirely up to you and is why EVE continues to be one of the ONLY MMO's on the market with a steady increase of subs each year.
Ruin the sandbox and you ruin the game. In the end, you'll lose more players than you retain. If CCP wants to work on retention, they need to keep developing the new player experience and providing insta-gratification carrots for people with newer accounts. The main thing that keeps people in this game sure aren't the game mechanics... It's seeing a pilot who's been playing for a couple years undock in an awesome ship that puts the sparkle in your eye for something to work towards. This or epic fleet fights or large wars in null sec. Guess who's running much of the scams and those epic fleet fights... the scammers and veterans who came to EVE because it allows for the choice to participate in such behavior.
If you make the game less fun for the people who fly the big shinies, you'll have far less player retention than the game has now because newbies will have less to look forward to.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
137
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Posted - 2011.11.11 05:16:00 -
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Shawn Pierce wrote:No, it's the general trend of where the real world is going, at least in the US...
I do agree. So are you suggesting that the nature of Eve is still bold and obvious, and these people are just willfully ignorant?
My suggestion is that perhaps CCP is failing to inform people that they are in fact playing chess when they think they are playing checkers.
Edit: I should add that I make a significant effort to not just fall back on "people are stupid", often to the point of a fault. That very well could be the answer and I am once again in denial. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
100
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Posted - 2011.11.11 05:18:00 -
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Is scamming the future of EVE? Well if you send me 500 million ISK, I will let you know! |
Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
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Posted - 2011.11.11 06:21:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote:Shawn Pierce wrote:No, it's the general trend of where the real world is going, at least in the US... I do agree. So are you suggesting that the nature of Eve is still bold and obvious, and these people are just willfully ignorant? My suggestion is that perhaps CCP is failing to inform people that they are in fact playing chess when they think they are playing checkers. Edit: I should add that I make a significant effort to not just fall back on "people are stupid", often to the point of a fault. That very well could be the answer and I am once again in denial.
Never heard of "Dumbing Down of America"? Pretty sure it's also happening in other countries. Add to that, that everyone born that currently holds the age of at least 13 has been brought up to believe they are special and unique; worse IMPORTANT.
So, when someone comes along and dupes you, you end up feeling very....stupid. And immediately fall back on your 'real world' teaching that states "if you are shown to be stupid; use the law". Sadly, there is no law about scamming in EVE (yet). Therefore, you are left with just being stupid.
Attention those who are scammed:
YOU ARE AN IDIOT. PERIOD.
Now, get the **** off my lawn. |
Shawn Pierce
Wandering Incursion Exterminators
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Posted - 2011.11.11 10:00:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote:Shawn Pierce wrote:No, it's the general trend of where the real world is going, at least in the US... I do agree. So are you suggesting that the nature of Eve is still bold and obvious, and these people are just willfully ignorant? My suggestion is that perhaps CCP is failing to inform people that they are in fact playing chess when they think they are playing checkers. Edit: I should add that I make a significant effort to not just fall back on "people are stupid", often to the point of a fault. That very well could be the answer and I am once again in denial. Anyone who has read a review of EVE Online (I for one read the reviews of a game before I play it) should know that nothing is safe in the game.
Even the videos that CCP puts out illustrate that not all is good...
You warp in on a miner being attacked in a belt. You can: A. Defend the miner from the dastardly criminals and be the hero you always wanted to be. B. Be one of the dastardly criminals (you know you wanna!) and join in the attack. C. Do nothing, and just watch the action.
In other words ... willful ignorance? Youbetcherass. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
264
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Posted - 2011.11.11 10:08:00 -
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Big Bad Mofo wrote:Is Scamming Killing The Future Of Eve? No.
EVE Online: Incarna - New Coke EVE Online: Winter Expansion - Coke Classic |
Opertone
Signal 7
6
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Posted - 2011.11.11 10:31:00 -
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scamming is not good, does not help MMOs, people who defend scamming are hungry forum trolls - that's all.
Scamming has gain such high scale in EVE that it kills fun and the gameplay. You expect asshattory on every corner, backstab and gank in every situation.
You may join a new corp and they destroy your assets, you engage in 0.0 combat only to find that enemy has spies, makes lag and uses crappy cheats/metagaming methods to win it.
Challenge is fine, but scamming is foul. I've played more online games (hours) than you may think, yet in every game you get cheating, whoring and bullying... No matter what you do, they want to ruin your day. You get sad or frustrated, it doesn't enhance the gaming experience.
Unfair play, scamming and cheating ruins eve for me, and I grow more certain that asshatory continues to kill the game that I play. |
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MaiLina KaTar
Katar Corp
22
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Posted - 2011.11.11 10:32:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote:I will say that over the past month I have noticed a, no hyperbole, shocking amount of people that manage to play this game for a substantial period without understanding some of its defining features like scamming... It's not that shocking, actually. Eve's target audience isn't comprised of paranoid, angry nerds exclusively. You do get the occasional normal person, odd as it may seem. |
Opertone
Signal 7
6
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Posted - 2011.11.11 10:37:00 -
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Maxpie wrote:Back in the day reputation meant something. Scamming was an interesting aspect of the game. Now, with the proliferation of alts you have every Tom, **** and Harry endlessly doing the same tired old scams. It's not surprising that the game looks like a worthless cesspool to many prospective new players. Make no mistake about it, that is Eve's reputation. I try to explain that there's so much more to the game, but new players just see the garbage and decide the game isn't their cup of tea.
Some of it is true. every Tom and Harry try to ruin your day, the scams are old. Eve has reputation of maximum scamming, agreed.
Too much scamming make it boring, vets have some immunity to scams, but the whole place turns into trash.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.11.11 10:45:00 -
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What the hell is up with all of these whine topics/posts from spineless bears who want to change everything that makes eve special? |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3323
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Posted - 2011.11.11 11:22:00 -
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Let's all be civil guys. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Theta Squad : Best Squad |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
389
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Posted - 2011.11.11 11:25:00 -
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When the first ponzi schemes collapsed in the Summer of 2003, around the time that people were selling shuttles for 10M ISK each, people asked if scamming was killing the future of Eve.
It wasn't then, and it isn't now.
Do I approve of scamming? No. Do I think that scamming should be banned? No.
Because when you remove the opportunity to be dishonest, you also remove the opportunity to be honest. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Diosas
Comply Or Die The 0rphanage
0
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Posted - 2011.11.11 12:04:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:What the hell is up with all of these whine topics/posts from spineless bears who want to change everything that makes eve special?
Theres always one, who thinks having a discussion is a whine... |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
11
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Posted - 2011.11.11 12:17:00 -
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Dyner wrote:Maxpie wrote:Back in the day reputation meant something. Scamming was an interesting aspect of the game. Now, with the proliferation of alts you have every Tom, **** and Harry endlessly doing the same tired old scams. It's not surprising that the game looks like a worthless cesspool to many prospective new players. Make no mistake about it, that is Eve's reputation. I try to explain that there's so much more to the game, but new players just see the garbage and decide the game isn't their cup of tea. Can only scam the willing.
You mis-understand what I'm saying. People aren't willing to even play Eve. It is viewed as a griefer game where a new player can never compete with a veteran. I've tried to get friends to play, but all they see are tons of scams, cans labeled 'free stuff' etc., and they decide they don't like this game before they get to see the other side of it. As a veteran player, I love to see a good scam. Unfortunately, those are few and far between. The vast majority are lazy spam type scams. Basically people hoping to catch someone who mis-read a contract or are new to the game. Sorry, I just don't find that to be compelling gameplay. It's just annoying graffiti to me. |
BrundleMeth
Temporal Mechanics
1
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Posted - 2011.11.11 15:19:00 -
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Two months ago, a guy I barely knew gave me a Billion ISK and a fully fit Tengu. He was packing it in simply for the reason CCP allows scamming. I told him he should simply stay but he wasn't interested anymore... |
MaiLina KaTar
Katar Corp
23
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Posted - 2011.11.11 15:22:00 -
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Does he enjoy music by Evanescence or Tokio Hotel by any chance? |
Mohr Cowbell
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
148
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Posted - 2011.11.12 02:53:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:What the hell is up with all of these whine topics/posts from spineless bears who want to change everything that makes eve special?
For your information, I am a cougar. A cougar that likes pancakes. |
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