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Lehtizslutty
Dark Collective Nihilists Social Club
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Posted - 2014.06.24 22:11:00 -
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bump, awaiting ccp response or any form of update |
Ortho Loess
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
39
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Posted - 2014.06.27 10:07:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I can't speak for CCP legal of course, as they'll have to communicate with you directly.
Just to make it clear: CCP legal have not communicated with us directly since this was posted.
What do you pay them for?
-Ortho |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10556
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Posted - 2014.06.30 06:24:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Hey CCP. We're still here, waiting on your answer. We're going to keep bugging you until you give us one. Of course whether we stop or not depends entirely on the nature of your answer. It's been over two months since you put alliance logo submissions on hold. I think an update is warranted, don't you? No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10556
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Posted - 2014.06.30 06:29:00 -
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Not to mention it's been about four and a half months since this abomination of a thread was created. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10566
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Posted - 2014.06.30 06:53:00 -
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Here, I'll make it easy for you.
RDevz wrote:Why, precisely, can't CCP instead be given a universal, assignable, non-revocable, royalty-free licence to use alliance logos as part of the submission process, and avoid this blatant copyright land-grab that will just lead to lawyers getting richer if ever used in anger?
Do this. Bam. You're done. Everyone's happy. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Safrador Gulken
Harbingers of Chaos Inc Gentlemen's.Club
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Posted - 2014.07.03 02:11:00 -
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The submission process should be made lawyer-proof, that's for sure.
How ever it gets resolved, it should get resolved soon because a key component of EVE is the sense of belonging to something bigger than oneself. The alliance structure is a significant part of that. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.03 11:24:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Here, I'll make it easy for you. RDevz wrote:Why, precisely, can't CCP instead be given a universal, assignable, non-revocable, royalty-free licence to use alliance logos as part of the submission process, and avoid this blatant copyright land-grab that will just lead to lawyers getting richer if ever used in anger? Do this. Bam. You're done. Everyone's happy. Selfquote best quote. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
JSSix
CRY.NET Nihilists Social Club
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Posted - 2014.07.06 05:37:00 -
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bump |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.06 05:39:00 -
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Look, just sticky this thread so we don't have to bump it. We're not going to forget, and more importantly, we're not going to let you forget. |
JSSix
CRY.NET Nihilists Social Club
7
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Posted - 2014.07.07 09:55:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:Look, just sticky this thread so we don't have to bump it. We're not going to forget, and more importantly, we're not going to let you forget.
well put.
but for now bump is what we can only do to keep this thread somewhere on the top hoping ccp notices it...
I mean about a month ago, this is what I was told
Quote:All alliance logo submissions are on hold, which means that no more alliance logos will be added to EVE Online until the issues at hand are taken care of. You can read more about it in this news item: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/alliance-logo-submissions-on-hold/Apologies for not being able to assist further, but we cannot add new logos to the system at present. If you have any further questions or comments, or would like this support ticket closed as resolved, please feel free to reply. .
basically pointing u back to square one with no real info or what so ever |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10635
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Posted - 2014.07.12 22:17:00 -
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Get. Your. ****. Together. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Jared Noan
Harbingers of Chaos Inc Gentlemen's.Club
22
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Posted - 2014.07.13 21:59:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Get. Your. ****. Together.
How does that pay the bills? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10661
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Posted - 2014.07.13 22:04:00 -
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What does that have to do with anything? No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Enaris Kerle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.16 17:03:00 -
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I understand that CCP Legal is still sulking because their grand design didn't go down with the players as well as they wanted it to, but maybe it's time to tell them to shut up and do their job? Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10672
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Posted - 2014.07.16 18:26:00 -
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What the **** CCP? No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10675
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:00:00 -
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You should really get on this. Really. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Jenna Alberta
Tag Tax Collection Office
0
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Posted - 2014.07.18 14:40:00 -
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soon Page 17 :p and still CCP slacking |
Amely Miles
Exiled Tech Space Monkey Protectorate
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Posted - 2014.07.22 00:08:00 -
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i payed for my Logo (waiting for submission process to restart) which i am happy to allow CCP to use as they see fit from now until the end of time
as long as they realise it is MY IT and i can ALSO use it any way i see fit until the end of time
on a side note....CCP must not have been taught about sharing as a kid |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.07.22 00:32:00 -
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Update posted here.
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10749
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Posted - 2014.07.22 00:52:00 -
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Completely unsatisfied with that answer. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
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Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
360
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Posted - 2014.07.22 00:56:00 -
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Falcon, since you have asked that we keep the discussion of this issue to this thread, could you please sticky it so it is easier to find, and helps prevent people creating unnecessary new threads on the same topic.
Edit: you may also wish to edit your OP to include the advice you gave in James thread for ease and clarity, and to show that it's still on CCP's agenda. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10749
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Posted - 2014.07.22 01:14:00 -
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This is the part that concerns me most:
CCP Falcon wrote:For now, the alliance logos that are in game will remain there
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CCP Falcon wrote:In terms of a resolution to the issue, we'll be looking at it as part of a rehash of corporations and alliances in an upcoming release.
Which makes you appear as though you're considering, at some point in the future, the removal of alliance logos as part of some replacement system (a system similar to, say, how corp logos are made).
Do not remove alliance logos EVER
You will make a lot of people extremely angry if you do this, and doubtless some people will leave the game over it.
Template logos like what we have with corporations cannot provide the same sense of individual expression and identity that custom-designed logos can. If you go this route you will be making a tremendous mistake and alienating a large portion of your playerbase even further than you already have with this fiasco. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
115
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Posted - 2014.07.22 02:44:00 -
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CCP didn't read what happened with Facebook, and now the same thing's happening to them too, only they don't have the muscle to **** the users while at the same time keeping the userbase, unlike Facebook. They also are hiding behind lawyers stuck in the 14th century where a name was all you had. Not good. |
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CCP Falcon
7764
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:47:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Do not remove alliance logos EVER
You will make a lot of people extremely angry if you do this, and doubtless some people will leave the game over it.
Template logos like what we have with corporations cannot provide the same sense of individual expression and identity that custom-designed logos can. If you go this route you will be making a tremendous mistake and alienating a large portion of your playerbase even further than you already have with this fiasco.
I'm completely with you on this, and I've stressed this point explicitly to our development team and the art team.
When I was a player, even just running my own tiny <200 man alliance, having a logo was a fundamental part of our identity, and it's something that for sure I never want to see Alliances lose in game.
I can appreciate that this is really frustrating for alliances with the situation effectively in limbo for now, it's frustrating as hell for me too as it's something I want resolved and taken care of.
There's really not a huge amount I can do personally other than ensuring that this is kept at the forefront of development's mind, as I don't control feature prioritization.
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
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Jenna Alberta
Tag Tax Collection Office
0
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:53:00 -
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Quote:On the wiki...
CCP has allowed Alliance logos in EVE since 2005. As with so much player-created content, Alliance logos add to the history, lore and beauty of EVE and CCP welcomes your submission. From the outset of this submission and approval process, however, we would like to remind you that, as stated in Section 10.B. of the EULA, CCP owns all the intellectual property rights in Alliance names, logos and any other player-created content in EVE. This is industry standard, and itGÇÖs necessary for CCP to embark on other endeavors (such as blogs, comic books, etc.) that might reference Alliance names or logos.
CCP appreciates that many Alliances pay their server costs and otherwise support their gameplay by selling Alliance-related products. As part of this submission and approval process, CCP will give you a royalty-free license to use the approved Alliance name and logo for commercial purposes. Even though CCP will retain all ownership rights, you will be able to distribute, sell and enjoy use of your Alliance name and logo outside of EVE.
Why cant we reverse this idea? as in.... instead of CCP... giving the royalty free license for us who truly own the Logo.... Why cant CCP just create a contract/bind eula that when submitting a logo. We (the creators of the logos) own all Intellectual Property cirghts in Alliance names & logos, however, that we give CCP full exclusive royalty free use of those logos & names, as such that CCP may embark on other endeavors (such as blogs, comics, etc).
Im sure all alliance/players that would own those logos would never object to what CCP would do to those logos and names (ofc as long as its not damaging the image of that particular entity) if anything its free marketing for those owners/alliances, etc
I mean this can be simple to solve really... but CCP is not really showing any work on this matter.
Falcon said and I quote:
Quote:For now, the alliance logos that are in game will remain there, however we won't be accepting any new submissions.
In terms of a resolution to the issue, we'll be looking at it as part of a rehash of corporations and alliances in an upcoming release.
There's no timeframe for this release as of yet, and the situation can be considered as unchanged as of now.
Since there's already a multitude of threads open on this, this one is being locked.
This is basically the same answer (more or less) on the day logo submission have been halted. Again, why not clear the Queue still tho? why stop the process when theres still a few more logos that are already half way through its submission. I can understand halting the entire process for new submission, but u just dont stop on going process just like that (its basically showing that you guys are clueless to this point on what to do). At the very least show that CCP is willing. Curious tho.. howmany Logos are in the submission que? right before the process was officially halted? |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
362
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Posted - 2014.07.22 09:09:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:There's really not a huge amount I can do
You could sticky the thread so we don't keep having to bump it.
And update the OP to include CCP's current decision to suspend logos for the time being, as you wrote in James' other thread. |
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
1306
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Posted - 2014.07.22 09:14:00 -
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The legal department with tails between their legs, I suspect.
I dare say when they wrote up their rules and sent them to the developers to publish, they didn't expect a couple of hundred community members to reveal themselves as legitimately knowledgeable about IP law and call them on it. Or if they did, that they would not be the ones front and centre having to defend it.
There's really only two choices I can see. Either a directive has come from senior management that CCP intends to uniquely profit off of the alliance logos, or roadblock for the sake of being stubborn.
Either way, it's not great. |
Jarnis McPieksu
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
505
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Posted - 2014.07.22 09:41:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:The legal department with tails between their legs, I suspect.
I dare say when they wrote up their rules and sent them to the developers to publish, they didn't expect a couple of hundred community members to reveal themselves as legitimately knowledgeable about IP law and call them on it. Or if they did, that they would not be the ones front and centre having to defend it.
There's really only two choices I can see. Either a directive has come from senior management that CCP intends to uniquely profit off of the alliance logos, or roadblock for the sake of being stubborn.
Either way, it's not great.
If the legal department is incapable of solving this kind of minor issue, they should be replaced.
All CCP needs is a non-exclusive, irrevocable and no-cost license to the art players submit for use with EVE and the right to further license it as part of EVE data exports (for uses like third party killboards etc.).
Rest of the rights stay with the alliance that created the logo. They can do (and sell) T-Shirts etc as they please. This is definitely not rocket science. End result is that if you want your logo to be in the game, CCP has rights to it - non-exclusively - so they can use it as they wish in the game etc. without any potential legal pitfalls. Alliances can use their own logo as they damn well please as the license would be non-exclusive.
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Jared Noan
Harbingers of Chaos Inc Gentlemen's.Club
22
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Posted - 2014.07.22 18:32:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
If the legal department is incapable of solving this kind of minor issue, they should be ashamed.
All CCP needs is a non-exclusive, irrevocable and no-cost license to the art players submit for use with EVE and the right to further license it as part of EVE data exports (for uses like third party killboards etc.).
Rest of the rights stay with the alliance that created the logo. They can do (and sell) T-Shirts etc as they please. This is definitely not rocket science. End result is that if you want your logo to be in the game, CCP has rights to it - non-exclusively - so they can use it as they wish in the game etc. without any potential legal pitfalls. Alliances can use their own logo as they damn well please as the license would be non-exclusive.
Only one problem with that, corporate lawyers get paid by the hour. The longer this drags out the more they get paid. |
Amely Miles
Exiled Tech Space Monkey Protectorate
20
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Posted - 2014.07.25 16:08:00 -
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Yep .... i will continue to post here and keep this forum thread up for every CEO and Alliance Executor in eve to see |
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