Just out of curiousity, since i am not a lawyer and only know how thing are around here.

The german law clearely states that ownership of intellectual property is not transferable, the only thing that is transferable is the "right to use" MY intellectual property. Even if i grant someone the "right to use", i still am the owner of said intellectual property and as long as i do not sign a contract granting someone the exlcusive rights to use, i can use any of my own creations for whatever purpose i please to use it.

So claiming ownership of my intellectual property would pretty much be against german law, and as a german citizen i guess german law applies to me.

So how is it legal for ccp to claim owenership of something i created and can not transfer the ownership of?

7.1. Force Majeure.
If either party should fail in the performance of any obligation under this Agreement, by reason of acts of God, strikes, lockouts, labor troubles, inability to procure materials, restrictive government laws, or regulations or other cause, without fault and beyond the reasonable control of the party obligated (financial inability excepted), that party shall be granted an extension to perform its obligations hereunder equal to the time the underlying cause prevented performance. Should any obligations of the other party be dependent upon this partyGÇÖs performance, such obligations shall be similarly extended.

Yeah, similar question: if I already have my IP over my corp/alliance name and want to create such a corp/alliance in Eve, does it mean I violate EULA? What happens if someone already registered such name and has IP rights clash?

Review for Copyrighted material (because the Alliance logo will be owned by CCP, we have to ensure that it does not infringe anyone elseGÇÖs copyright or trademark)

Of course that doesn't answer what happens if an IP clash is only noticed after the fact...

CCPGÇÖs ownership of everything used in the game client is necessary under current intellectual property law

BRB. Going to go make Candy Crush Saga Alliance.

Could you expand on this?

The argument for pursuing a policy that is so clearly against the interests of your users seems to hinge on this point, but it's not explained why you need to own the logos.

Actually, I think anything with Candy in the name is copyrighted by that company. Which is very dumb.

This is IP law. CCP can't use a copyrighted name/image in a product/service they sell to customers. This isn't true in some case (eg parody, news reporting, etc) but it wouldn't stop CCP getting dragged into court proceedings because some genius makes a "Ford Sucks" alliance or something along those lines. Basically not even touching copyrighted material at all means much less legal costs for CCP, even if they are in the right.

That works for needing a license to use it, it does not explain why they need complete ownership or even an exclusive license.

That works for needing a license to use it, it does not explain why they need complete ownership or even an exclusive license.

This is IP law. CCP can't use a copyrighted name/image in a product/service they sell to customers. This isn't true in some case (eg parody, news reporting, etc) but it wouldn't stop CCP getting dragged into court proceedings because some genius makes a "Ford Sucks" alliance or something along those lines. Basically not even touching copyrighted material at all means much less legal costs for CCP, even if they are in the right.

Still they do not need the ownership of IP. All they need is the usage rights. And since i need to be the owner of any IP i send to ccp anyway I can give ccp the right to use it and that is what the EULA also should reflect.

As long as i do not reference eve in anything i create I do not see why i should need a license to sell something i own. No matter if I sent it to ccp and allow them to use it for anything related to eve. I agree that they can use any material i create and submit to them... not the other way around.

Sorry but this whole devblog smells really fishy.

Giving them the right to use it opens up the fact that you would also have the right to tell them to cease and desist the use of it later. Enter the crazy land of Eve drama mixed with silly IP law where I can claim the rights to your alliance logo and CCP would have to respond. It would be a nightmare. Hard to fault them from staying as far away from IP issues as possible.

This could easily be solved by setting up a license prototype the other way around, which could state that ccp gets the right to use the material as long as they want to, as long as they only use it for eve related things. That way they are safe and ownership stays untouched.

And just because they want to make things easier for them it still does not give them the right to steal the ownership of my IP.

Why, precisely, can't CCP instead be given a universal, assignable, non-revocable, royalty-free licence to use alliance logos as part of the submission process, and avoid this blatant copyright land-grab that will just lead to lawyers getting richer if ever used in anger?

Why are you going after goonswarm's logo?

In your list of example logos, all of these are dead groups. That is, except for Goonswarm's, which lives on under Goonswarm Federation. And I know that someone paid for a copyright on it as well.

KenZoku. - Dead 2009 - eve wiki on Ken ,evewho
Ascendant Frontier - Dead 2011 - eve wiki on ASCN, evewho
Veto Corp - Dead 2012 - TMC article on Veto closing, evewho
Mercenary Coalition - Dead 2009ish - eve wiki on MC, evewho
Goonswarm - Dead 2010 - (Lives on as Goonswarm Federation, same logo evewho )
Morsus Mihi - Dead 2011 - eve wiki on MM , evewho
Lotka Volterra - Dead 2007 - eve history on LV, evewho
Electus Matari - Dead 2012 - Went to faction warfare, 18 people evewho

Just kind of strange that goonswarm seems to be singled out here, since we're the only one you specifically listed still using our logo actively. (courtesy of Avalloc)

I'm assuming there is fine print in the submission stuff that says the image you are submitting does not contain copyright material and you give CCP full rights to any image you submit. So they aren't "stealing" the IP, you are agreeing to give it to them. That said, it may not have always said that. So, there might be some problems with old logos based on what Kismeteer said here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4232406#post4232406

So it will be interesting to see what comes of old logos that CCP may (or may not, I'm just guessing) not have obtained the rights to.