cloud is the future but it seems the ignored by ccp. why?

GǪand what is it you think that Gǣthe cloudGǥ will be able to do?
If you think it'll help against DDoSes, maybe you should look up the successful attacks made against high-profile cloud services.

ofc DDOS will always be possible but amazon was dealed how many DDOSs that actually had an affect, compared to CCP?

Amazon is also not a real-time service.

So again, what is it you think that GÇ£the cloudGÇ¥ will be able to do?

ofc DDOS will always be possible but amazon was dealed how many DDOSs that actually had an affect, compared to CCP? amazon is drawing much much more attention and id expect it to be bigger "target" than CCP, yet it has less problems.

edit: you edited ur post, very consructive

Let me guess....you have a Facebook page and you Twitter as well.

amazon doesnt run at a 1 hz rate either

what do those have anything to do with it? and what if i do? its not like im trying to get u to read them

GǪbecause it's not a real-time service, so it can survive running at .01 Hz.

You're still avoiding the question, by the way.

You do realize that all the cloud is the internet right? When they say 'store data on the cloud' all it means is data stored remotely, there is still a server holding all your data that can still be DDoS'd. EvE is already on the cloud. You don;t install it and play it just on your pc, all your data and game data is stored on a remote server you reach via the internet... so.. you want to make it so to play you have to connect tot he client on a remote server? Because that is ALL that the cloud is. What you are basically saying is 'lets play eve as it is..' because eve is on the cloud already.

your saying Amazon takes 100 seconds to make a webpage? wtf? i dont even get what ur trying to say anymore

your saying Amazon takes 100 seconds to make a webpage? wtf? i dont even get what ur trying to say anymore

Try reading, preferably without skipping words. Or entire questions.

Yes, between waiting for the page to load, the user looking through the page and finding the information they need, and general net congestion, Amazon can survive while delivering pages at .01 Hz.

What is it you think that GÇ£the cloudGÇ¥ will be able to do for us?

thats in the OP, maybe u should read urself

thats in the OP, maybe u should read urself

than explain why someone is wrong, yes?

[Y]ou['re] saying Amazon takes 100 seconds to make a webpage? wtf? [I] don[']t even get what [you're] trying to say anymore[.]

Hes saying it only has to load a page once every hundred seconds or so. (I assume this number is actually closer to 10-20) Eve has to both send and receive data from each client every second while that client's ship is in space.

so its easier to "LOL UR DUMB" than explain why someone is wrong, yes? maybe u could get "crayons" and explain why thousand of computers working together to spread work and reduce ddos is wrong?

650000 per second is not 1 every 10-20 secs and not .01 hz

Your assumption that cloud is the answer is flawed. Based on one thing... The latency between the distributed services would cause to much latency for a service like EVE that requires real-time processing.

Its what the cloud is for extendible and lots of computing power to adapt to both low and high load and THWART DDOSers! as much as we joke about 'the hamsters' its wrong to not use 21st centry tech to solve problems for thousand of players? just look at the forums and u can see theres a problem.
things like Jita might be solve by getting bigger computers but what of multiple fleet battles and MORE SYSTEMS? cloud is the future but it seems the ignored by ccp. why?

i dont think so. if a cloud computer is handleing every place there are ships then the latency only hapens on warps and jumps that are alredy 'slow' enough to hide any wait with async query

i dont think so. if a cloud computer is handleing every place there are ships then the latency only hapens on warps and jumps that are alredy 'slow' enough to hide any wait with async query

Thanks for proving my point, what you describe is what the Eve servers are doing this very moment, they are the cloud/internet

so its easier to "LOL UR DUMB" than explain why someone is wrong, yes? maybe u could get "crayons" and explain why thousand of computers working together to spread work and reduce ddos is wrong?

Hes saying it only has to load a page once every hundred seconds or so. (I assume this number is actually closer to 10-20) Eve has to both send and receive data from each client every second while that client's ship is in space.

there is also bottleneck in a bunch of places which is y i think ccp is so ddos vulnerable. use cloud -> eliminate bottleneck -> profit

no right now they are by system only and not really because a lot of systems are on the same 'nodes'
there is also bottleneck in a bunch of places which is y i think ccp is so ddos vulnerable. use cloud -> eliminate bottleneck -> profit

Does the OP not realize that the cloud is just computers just like the current server structure?

Does the OP think the cloud is some magical internet entity?

I'm pretty sure when he is saying "use the cloud", what he really means is "distribute it over more hardware", I just don't think he realises that is what he means, since he has no idea what he's talking about.

that is only sort of what im saying. right now can eve dynamic start servers and instances to manage load and lots of stuff? no!! ccp is limiting by the PHYSICAL SERVERS THEY HAVE! i am understanding and i know that eve is distributed on 'internet servers' (do u guys think im stupid?) but the diff is the curent model is like hiring 3 people to do tech support and their overwelmed sometimes, vs out-sourcing to a tech support company to not get overwelmed because they have 'standby backup'!

Remember. Hardware is not dedicated to you in hosted or cloud based service.

its not and there is still need for some dedicated processing (eg big battles) but the remainder load can be split up a LOT and done in paralel. ive read about what ccp uses to run eve and it looks limiting in this way

its not and there is still need for some dedicated processing (eg big battles) but the remainder load can be split up a LOT and done in paralel. ive read about what ccp uses to run eve and it looks limiting in this way

that is only sort of what im saying. right now can eve dynamic start servers and instances to manage load and lots of stuff? no!! ccp is limiting by the PHYSICAL SERVERS THEY HAVE! i am understanding and i know that eve is distributed on 'internet servers' (do u guys think im stupid?) but the diff is the curent model is like hiring 3 people to do tech support and their overwelmed sometimes, vs out-sourcing to a tech support company to not get overwelmed because they have 'standby backup'!

Google the word "dense", then have a quiet moment of thought with yourself.

What an ignorant statement. So, you feel that anyone who was a facebook and/or twitter account is dense?

What an ignorant statement. So, you feel that anyone who was a facebook and/or twitter account is dense? Tell me, do you also judge people on the color of their skin and their country of origin?

"The Cloud" is an incredibly over-used buzz word that people (see: mostly higher ups at Microsoft) throw around without really understanding what it is. Hooray "Cloud".

What an ignorant statement. So, you feel that anyone who was a facebook and/or twitter account is dense? Tell me, do you also judge people on the color of their skin and their country of origin?

No, just the people who take quotes out of context and make up assumptions about what was actually said.

At least now we have an answer to the OP's question: because the cloud provides zero advantages and a truckload of disadvantages. In particular, it doesn't solve any of the issues the OP is worrying about GÇö in fact, it rather risks making them even larger issues than they are right now.

There's a reason why I asked what it was he thought it would solve.

Much like what you're doing .... I guess we can all be "dense" together.

Much like what you're doing .... I guess we can all be "dense" together.

so then...... the problem as u ppl are saying is bandwith b/w servers. but srsly how much data actualy needs to be transfered?? ONE person going from one server to another (eg jumping) is maybe few kb's..... wtf is 10 Gbps for?

its not a few kb. its more then that, as each time you jump the server makes a query to the DB server asking for all yoru info, everything. To which is sent back. You don't have your own dedicated DB, you have a few that are used by everyone. So its not just you jumping, but every jump, ever made, every dock, undock, cyno, everything quires the DB. So you have MB or even GB of data transferring back and forth all day, everyday. you add more lines or slipt stuff up it will cause bottle necks and slow things down. Because, now your asking to hit a server maybe a block away, in a fleet fight, there are thousands and DB quires every few seconds. To see where your ship and stuff and drops are. So Think of it like this, right now everyone in your house can turn a faucet and that tells your house/cities water system to send you water. So now you split your house into 7 different rooms, across a longer area, but you still get the same amount of water to your house. If everyone turns on the faucet at once it will take longer to get the water, and less amounts due to distance. now add more houses in the same setup feeding off you water. It will get slower and slower.

so then...... the problem as u ppl are saying is bandwith b/w servers. but srsly how much data actualy needs to be transfered?? ONE person going from one server to another (eg jumping) is maybe few kb's..... wtf is 10 Gbps for?

You're trying to apply a solution for asynchronous loose-latency storage to a problem that requires real-time no-latency processing (and no-latency storage).

then backup the mainframe's auxiliary processing with a lossless digital hardwire duh this ain't rocket science

My brain can not process this anymore

look OP if you dont need to see the clouds because ur computer is trash CCP has given to you to turn them off in settings

look OP if you dont need to see the clouds because ur computer is trash CCP has given to you to turn them off in settings

not the cloud im talkin about dipshit read the thread

Can we run with DX 11 yet?

No, it's far too sharp. Just take your time and walk with it.

The Cloud is a hacker's wet dream come true. All that information, being stored together in fewer places rather than on millions and millions of personal hard drives, would make them tastier places to attempt to hack than attacking people individually. You better hope your cloud service isn't lazy about security, or have people they can really, really trust. And that's not even taking into consideration what Governments would love to do with all that Cloud information.

distributed databases exist, right? in ur scenario its like u use more utility companies for more water

I have a better idea. Lets run Tranquility on the Titan Supercomputer and then we can have 10k vs 10k battles with no TiDi

Its what the cloud is for extendible and lots of computing power to adapt to both low and high load and THWART DDOSers! as much as we joke about 'the hamsters' its wrong to not use 21st centry tech to solve problems for thousand of players? just look at the forums and u can see theres a problem.
things like Jita might be solve by getting bigger computers but what of multiple fleet battles and MORE SYSTEMS? cloud is the future but it seems the ignored by ccp. why?

Hell .. Western Digital IIRC is now marketing a "personal cloud" that I have not looked at but suspect is a HDD that is on your home LAN and accessible via the internet via some client software .. you are your own cloud .. prepared to be DDoS'd !

Hell .. Western Digital IIRC is now marketing a "personal cloud" that I have not looked at but suspect is a HDD that is on your home LAN and accessible via the internet via some client software .. you are your own cloud .. prepared to be DDoS'd !

t's so much more punter-friendly than WAN-NAS, don't you think?

OK, I'm calling it now, you are just trolling.
You've literlly just skipped past the post explaining exactly why what you are stating is impossible and just carried on commenting to the next post. Why don't you go back and reread this post, then understand that you have no clue what you are talking about and request a thread closure. What you are asking for is impossible. The end.

i read it and i get how it works and yes thats why you cant just put TQ as it is now, on the cloud but with real good code and planing ((eg localise procesing to minmize hi latency/bandwith stuff)) it CAN WORK.

what dose a guy disrupting a good argument with farm and poop jokes have related with this thread?

i get the cloud alright its relevent to my job

i get the cloud alright its relevent to my job what qualification do u have? i know everyone on the internet is a "expert" in stuff but srsly?

i dont get it...... what dose a guy disrupting a good argument with farm and poop jokes have related with this thread?

i get the cloud alright its relevent to my job what qualification do u have? i know everyone on the internet is a "expert" in stuff but srsly?

One might also try to make it illegal to run certain operating systems when connected to the Internet, such as Windows XP or earlier (mainly Windows XP or earlier, there are few other systems so widely exploited). This solution pleases me because it opens the path to banning all Windows installations. And this pleases the Mac fanatics.

Sales people love using that word. Cloud is just a fancy word for saying Internet.

Does anyone ever just say "Damn, sorry. I didn't understand. My idea won't work."

holy **** calm down, dude, i read it and i get how it works and yes thats why you cant just put TQ as it is now, on the cloud but with real good code and planing ((eg localise procesing to minmize hi latency/bandwith stuff)) it CAN WORK. they're is no reason to flip out and call discusion over because someone cant reply to evry single post. geez

Wow this is still going on?


Just look at the quote in my bio for explanation....

0/10 too tall and skinny would not pod even with full slave set.

that is only sort of what im saying. right now can eve dynamic start servers and instances to manage load and lots of stuff? no!! ccp is limiting by the PHYSICAL SERVERS THEY HAVE! i am understanding and i know that eve is distributed on 'internet servers' (do u guys think im stupid?) but the diff is the curent model is like hiring 3 people to do tech support and their overwelmed sometimes, vs out-sourcing to a tech support company to not get overwelmed because they have 'standby backup'!

the cloud is not filled with magic fairy dust that will solve all the worlds problems.

The "personal cloud" is hilarious to me in ways I don't fully understand. Just like this entire thread.

"Personal cloud"? Isn't that called a remote access log in?

How about CCP just uploads all the server responses as torrents, then we can share them between each other so when we get DDOS'ed we will just download it from each other? !!!

Wow this is still going on?


Just look at the quote in my sig for explanation....

If more people knew what they were doing, computer systems around the world would be more secure, more stable.

However, I'd point out that's akin to saying "if more people locked their homes properly, there would be less theft." Which is just a short hop away from "if she wasn't dressed like that, she would be less likely to be raped".

so its easier to "LOL UR DUMB" than explain why someone is wrong, yes? maybe u could get "crayons" and explain why thousand of computers working together to spread work and reduce ddos is wrong?

Not really. I get the parallel, but the problem is the perspective. See, everything we do in life has risk. Everything. If I decide to go camping in the woods, and those woods have man-eating bears for example, and I don't do anything to mitigate the risk of being eaten by those bears because I don't know they're there, then it's still the bear that eats me, absolutely. However, could it have been a different result if I'd know those bears were there. Do I not go camping? No, but I might consider taking a shotgun and learning something about the habits of those bears.

Just as if you don't lock up your home, you fail to mitigate the risk against burglars. Does that mean we bar up our homes and pad ourselves in cotton wool? Does that mean it's your fault you got robbed if you don't lock your home? No, of course not, and nothing in life comes without risk. The unfortunate situation of the world is, there are unscrupulous people who will take advantage of that failure to mitigate the risks we take, and until we address the underlying problems that cause those people to exist, we have to be prepared, and armed with knowledge more than anything, for the attack to come, even if it never does.

It's like owning a pool. You put up a fence to mitigate the risk of children getting in there and drowning. If you own a gun, you mitigate the risk of accidental misfire by putting the safety on. Driving a car, you mitigate the risk of serious injury or death by wearing a seatbelt.

I'm not blaming the victims. I only stated a fact - if more people knew more about the machines they operated, they would know more about mitigating the risk they take when using it. Attacks would still occur, they would still be attempted. And they would still be entirely the attacker's fault, but whether or not the attack succeeds or fails is, in part, up to the victim of that attack. The more knowledge you have about the risks you're taking, the better prepared you are for them to actually occur. This is why education is so important. Knowledge is power, knowledge can save your life.

Communication between the servers then becomes your bottleneck. Which will make thing even worse.


Just FYI:

IBM blade servers with 280 total cores, and more than 4.8 terabytes of local storage. The Tranquility cabinets require 79 kilowatts of power and are housed in a cold-aisle containment system to manage airflow and server waste heat. GÇ£Cold air from the center of the aisle is force-fed into the cabinets reducing the loss or wasted cool air significantly and helping to focus cold air where itGÇÖs needed most,GÇ¥ Wise writes. GÇ£This takes the industry standard GÇ£hot aisle/cold aisleGÇ¥ designs a step further without having to do anything crazy like running servers under nitrogen pools (although that is pretty cool).GÇ¥

Internally, the network for Tranquility consists of internal fiber channel 4Gb/s backbones, with internal database communication on a separate 10Gb/s backbone.

Externally, CCP peers with multiple external transit providers and essentially acts as a tier-3 ISP, with only one customer- Tranquility.

That alone should make you... OHHH ok... understood.

Perhaps the OP is a junior level marketing muppet for a cloud service provider, or aspires to be one?

Every time I hear "cloud" in a meeting, I know the person "evangelizing" it is basically a fool.

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Miners fit tank so you don't get ganked alot.

Kate. Your hair.

This thread is now about Kate's hair, and how awesome it is.

Haha was that the short or long? I agree the short was awesome and I had nothing but compliments. I just changed it back to long though.


Also lol at this thread.