Hi, my name is Jenn and I'm President of the "Draft Malcanis to CSM9 whether he likes it or not" political action committee. Because every CSM needs someone to tell it like it mother f&%$&*!ing is.

Hi, my name is Jenn and I'm President of the "Draft Malcanis to CSM9 whether he likes it or not" political action committee. Because every CSM needs someone to tell it like it mother f&%$&*!ing is.

At least you have a good sense of humour Jenn.

Malcanis seemed to think that spending the year, in effect saying, "I'm propper 'ard, innit?" was a good use of his time in the spotlight.

Jeez, to think that I voted for him.

Vote? For CSM? Lol, what a joke.

The whole thing is a waste of people's time. Let the neckbeard nerds run their election campaigns or whatever, I couldnt care less. There is absolutely nothing they can do, other then puff their own ego's up.

Vote? For CSM? Lol, what a joke.

The whole thing is a waste of people's time. Let the neckbeard nerds run their election campaigns or whatever, I couldnt care less. There is absolutely nothing they can do, other then puff their own ego's up.

ME!

See the alliance name?

Out of general curiosity who is people voting for and why?

I'm voting for this guy because worms with holes.

Great minds think alike, or fools never differ (see post 26).

Since you're no fool, we must be great minds.

Who woulda thunk it. Kimmi in sync with Gallente. Well I never.

Vote? For what purpose? The CSM is a publicity tool for CCP's PR department, not a feedback and supervision tool for the customers.

Out of general curiosity who is people voting for and why?

Hi, my name is Jenn and I'm President of the "Draft Malcanis to CSM9 whether he likes it or not" political action committee. Because every CSM needs someone to tell it like it mother f&%$&*!ing is.

At least you have a good sense of humour Jenn.

Malcanis seemed to think that spending the year, in effect saying, "I'm propper 'ard, innit" was a good use of his time in the spotlight.

Jeez, to think that I voted for him.

Vote? For CSM? Lol, what a joke.

The whole thing is a waste of people's time. Let the neckbeard nerds run their election campaigns or whatever, I couldnt care less. There is absolutely nothing they can do, other then puff their own ego's up.

.

Thank you, LUMINOUS SPIRIT, thank you for recognising that any choice you made would be the wrong one and thus choosing to choose nothing at all.

Such selfless modesty and abnegation is all too rare and deserves full recognition.

Whomever will be the hisec "buff wardecs" and "stop the nerfs" candidate (who isn't a typical nullsec "there is no pew in hisec" elitist) gets my vote.

p.s.
Its time for regional representation on the CSM CCP, with 72% of people living in hisec CSM seats should be reserved for 3-4 hisec candidates.

Not doing so just re-enforces the sham nature of the CSM IMHO.

F

I'm a highsec candidate. I only have one thing to say:

If you don't like the balance of people who got elected, get more people voting.

Well all I can see from your killboard is that you live in losec/nullsec, so not sure where you are coming from saying "Im a hisec candidate", which then adds clarity as to why my comment re: reserved hisec seats chafed you, as you wouldn't qualify?

I too have one thing to say:

Its important when running for any office to be honest with people, lose your integrity once and you are done. Your claim about being a 'hisec candidate' doesn't add up.

F

Well all I can see from your killboard is that you live in losec/nullsec, so not sure where you are coming from saying "Im a hisec candidate", which then adds clarity as to why my comment re: reserved hisec seats chafed you, as you wouldn't qualify?

I too have one thing to say:

Its important when running for any office to be honest with people, lose your integrity once and you are done. Your claim about being a 'hisec candidate' doesn't add up.

F

What you see from my killboard, is that I occasionally roam into lowsec/nullsec, with RVB ganked.

The vast majority of my time is spent in highsec, making stuff (with the occasional mission and mining spree)

Well all I can see from your killboard is that you live in losec/nullsec, so not sure where you are coming from saying "Im a hisec candidate", which then adds clarity as to why my comment re: reserved hisec seats chafed you, as you wouldn't qualify?

I too have one thing to say:

Its important when running for any office to be honest with people, lose your integrity once and you are done. Your claim about being a 'hisec candidate' doesn't add up.

F

I will confine my list of possible candidates to those who do not in any way represent any of the null security space power blocks.

Which is to say, I will not be voting.

As a newbie, how does the voting thing actually work? Spent ~ 5 hours reading most things in the relevant subforum, couldn't find details of the mechanism. Is it in-game, on the forums, other?

What you see from my killboard, is that I occasionally roam into lowsec/nullsec, with RVB ganked.

The vast majority of my time is spent in highsec, making stuff (with the occasional mission and mining spree)

Can not bring myself to vote for anyone Affiliated with:
CFC
HERO
BOT
N3
PL

Not sure what other choices there are (none of the above will champion my wants and needs).

I will confine my list of possible candidates to those who do not in any way represent any of the null security space power blocks.

Which is to say, I will not be voting.

Whomever will be the hisec "buff wardecs" and "stop the nerfs" candidate (who isn't a typical nullsec "there is no pew in hisec" elitist) gets my vote.

p.s.
Its time for regional representation on the CSM CCP, with 72% of people living in hisec CSM seats should be reserved for 3-4 hisec candidates.

Not doing so just re-enforces the sham nature of the CSM IMHO.

F

Who is the Carebear-Dilettante-Newbie-Fail candidate? I'll try to vote but i might misclick.

How great would it be if CCP put the option of "none of the above" on the voting forms

Then people could be smug and self righteous and disenfranchising themselves!

less than one percent of voters in the csm7 election abstained

including the option is a waste of time to please people more interested in whining

What percentage of subscribed players voted in the last election?

p.s.
Its time for regional representation on the CSM CCP, with 72% of people living in hisec CSM seats should be reserved for 3-4 hisec candidates.

Not doing so just re-enforces the sham nature of the CSM IMHO.

F

Such a system would be ridiculously easy to game with alts, and incredibly difficult to administer. It's a bad idea that has been comprehensively discredited, and you should feel bad for still wanting it.

Please also be the guy that doesn't vote and then wonders why your property tax went up on a narrowly approved bill.

Sugar Kyle for CSM.
Lowsec pirates need love, too. And Kyle will make sure we get it.

Doesn't vote

Won't run

Is bitter about being unrepresented

:You:

Sugar Kyle for CSM.
Lowsec pirates need love, too. And Kyle will make sure we get it.

Well as it is I just can't swallow the sham and faux-democracy nature of a player-elected CSM that espouses to represent all of New Eden, while ultimately just consolidating power for nullsec blocs.

You see, my math was wrong, at 72% of hisec population -- 10 of the 14 current spots should actually be reserved for people who live in hisec...

...for its in that disparity between repeated nullsec dominance on the CSM and actual population density that the CSM is revealed as the sham faux-democracy it is.

Given this disparity, why should anyone outside of nullsec give a flying f#ck about the CSM?

This is what is wrong with the CSM, folk pushing an agenda for their particular interest rather than the game as a holistic entity.

Leaving aside that a very significant fraction of that 72% are the alts of nullsec players...

This is what is wrong with the CSM, folk pushing an agenda for their particular interest rather than the game as a holistic entity.

Oh do tell... what exactly is that fraction? Do you have a number? Or perhaps just a good guess? Or... wait, I know... we should simply take your word on it without question?

But let us head off to fantasy land for a moment and assume that you know what you are talking about. Let us even be so generous as to say that fully half of every the entire dirty hisec peasantry are, in fact, just alts of your glorious nullsec master race. Let us do some quick math, let me see... 72% divided by 2... 31% Nearly one third of all New Eden.

Tell me, are one third of the CSM candidates offering to represent hisec interests? Or should we just be so grateful for your infinitely wise & benign leadership that we should happily vote for our nullsec overlords lobbyists because even though your goal is pretty much to shove it up our hisec sphincters at every opportunity that you really do it because you actually love us, it is for our own good and it has nothing to do with trying to force us all into moving out to nullsec and becoming your latest patch of indentured servants who's only purpose is to feed you free ISK and stroke your egos all day? And those of us who refuse to bend our knees to you should simply remain quiet & suck it up or quit EvE entirely, correct?

Be careful what you wish for, because it just may happen. You will either turn hisec into an empty wasteland, and CCP's offices not far behind due to lost subscriptions, or you will flood your ranks with bitter, former hisec players who are all just waiting for the chance to AWOX you & your precious Alliances at every turn.

The reality is that you should be very, very grateful that the hisec population has little interest in CSM affairs & would rather just be left alone to do our thing in peace. Because if we did care as much as you keep saying we should then it would not end well for you & your kind.

Oh do tell... what exactly is that fraction? Do you have a number? Or perhaps just a good guess? Or... wait, I know... we should simply take your word on it without question?

But let us head off to fantasy land for a moment and assume that you ...

Sometimes there's a fine line between appearing to be passionate about an issue (and you are despite your earlier claim to not care) and coming across as a wanker.

It seems to me your on the wanker side of the line.

Why not tone it down and take the personal stuff out of it and just argue facts?

Oh do tell... what exactly is that fraction? Do you have a number? Or perhaps just a good guess? Or... wait, I know... we should simply take your word on it without question?

Tell me, are one third of the CSM candidates offering to represent hisec interests?

Be careful what you wish for, because it just may happen. You will either turn hisec into an empty wasteland, and CCP's offices not far behind due to lost subscriptions, or you will flood your ranks with bitter, former hisec players who are all just waiting for the chance to AWOX you & your precious Alliances at every turn.

No, I don't have an exact number, but I'll turn that right back at you. Do you have a number? Do you think it's zero?

From the defensive and desperate tone of your post, I suspect that you're perfectly well aware that the real percentage is higher than you're comfortable thinking about.

I don't know of a single nullsec player who doesn't have at least 1 alt in hi-sec. Most, like me, actually have more characters in empire than they do in nullsec. Some have a lot of character in empire.

I'd say it was a very conservative assumption to say for every character in 0.0 there is at least one hi-sec "alt". That means that somewhere between a quarter and a third of hi-sec is actually "0.0 players".

I am stalking her because I am a creepy person who has nothing better to do between my loli/furry hentai binges.

Fixed that for you.

If you're going to make such an asinine assertion, be prepared to take some flack for it.

I have citations. You have only your ego.

Also, you should try harder to not be so obvious as to who's alt you are.

Oh dear... so instead of 72% divided by 50% then I should have used 72% divided by something between 25% and 33%? So the actual number is even lower than my original guess? Which, in turn, would mean even more CSMs should be representing hisec interests than I originally claimed.

Well, I certainly appreciate you helping my argument. That was very generous of you.



Fixed that for you.

2 killboard links and a *chuckle*, Massively article about one more kill.

Oh, yeah, that put me in my place alright. I bow before your superior skill at conspiracy theory.

kaarous i had no idea you were such a pervert

one's in niarja, the other in lowsec

i have no idea why concord took so long to respond

2 killboard links and a *chuckle*, Massively article about one more kill.

Oh, yeah, that put me in my place alright. I bow before your superior skill at conspiracy theory.

Oh, and hey, Malcanis? She's claiming that I'm you. Doesn't saying that still violate the new terms of service?

Everybody is me

That low sec market hub chick, whatshername.

No, I don't have an exact number, but I'll turn that right back at you. Do you have a number? Do you think it's zero?

From the defensive and desperate tone of your post, I suspect that you're perfectly well aware that the real percentage is higher than you're comfortable thinking about.

I don't know of a single nullsec player who doesn't have at least 1 alt in hi-sec. Most, like me, actually have more characters in empire than they do in nullsec. Some have a lot of character in empire.

You asked if I had a good guess. I sure do:

I'd say it was a very conservative assumption to say for every character in 0.0 there is at least one hi-sec "alt". That means that somewhere between a quarter and a third of hi-sec is actually "0.0 players".

(And incidentally, that figure alone demonstrates how meaningless it is to talk about "hi-sec players" or "0.0 players".)

So your saying CCP can't distinguish between a main and an alt?

Um, isn't CCP already planning on just putting 'mains' on the monument. So if they can identify 'mains' for the monument then...

Beyond that, can't the person be asked to disclose all characters as part of the process and attest to operating primarily in hisec -- with penalty of forfeture of said accounts if its found out later they lied?

Point is, if there is the *will* do this, it can be done -- what I sense though is the null blocks fear it, so naysay it.

Not trying to be an ass about this, but if you really want anyone in hisec to give a flying f#ck about the CSM you need to enfranchise them with representation that more accurately aligns to population density.

...
CCP is putting the character with the highest SP from each account onto the monument. Usually, but not always, that's the character people think of as their "main". It's true for the account Malcanis is on, but I have more than one account.

What if I clone jump down to hi-sec and vote? Can I vote for a hi-sec slot then? What if I have 2 or 3 accounts which I use for hi-sec activities? Are they allowed to vote under your system? If not, who will investigate each account and what determines eligibility?

What if fewer people want to be a "hi-sec CSM" than there are slots to fill?

First, i'm interested in your thoughts on if you think regional representation *should* be implemented or not. If not, why not.

Yes let's trust the high sec griefer to represent high sec versus Malcanis who actually has a decent high sec representation track record.

Yes let's trust the high sec griefer to represent high sec versus Malcanis who actually has a decent high sec representation track record.

#1
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Introduction:

[Now at the moment, CCPs attention is on 0.0 - and rightly so. I 100% believe that this is the area of the game that most needs immediate attention for any number of good reasons. However, once the work on 0.0 is well underway (I don't say "complete" because such a process is never completed) I also believe that there is a strong argument to be made for rethinking the basis on which hi-sec is structured....

I'm not Malcanis but..

I don't think regional representation is the way to go. A region is just where you live, but what matters is what you do and what your mindset is.
Let me list some high sec candidates:
Psychotic Monk, Steve Ronuken, Mike Azariah, Mangala Solaris, Erotica 1, Lisara Khatam and depending on the contracts... Ali Aras and Psianh Auvyander..
...

.there is nullsec organizational bias built into the voting mechanism itself.

Therein lies the true crime of this faux democracy I mention, because excellent candidates like Psychotic Monk etc that you mention don't have a huge null alliance behind them, so they are less likely to get elected; not because they aren't good representatives of their game play and can't get votes, but because of the reality that hisec cats are harder to herd than nullsec bloc members...there is nullsec organizational bias built into the voting mechanism itself.

To pretend this isn't the case is farsical, one need only look at each years list of CSM members and where they primarily operate.

To this end (and with the majority of EvE's population in hisec), it only makes sense a good chunk of seats are reserved for hisec people exactly like you mentioned, to overcome the voting mechanism inequity.

I think it was mostly removed with the introduction of STV and from what I heard they even want to remove the scripting advantage of the nullsec alliances by allowing everyone to share his ballots.

Also, I can tell you at least two hisec alliances that got a member elected before, Red Federation and Ivy League. It's just a matter of bothering to run.
Even Wspace corps, with extremly different attitudes, managed to get their **** together and elect 2, almost 3, candidates in the last election. Two very different candidates at that.

Voted for Ripard an Malcanis last time... Dunno this year.

...
Feyd-Rautha is literally doing the CFC's work, spreading despair and apathy, doing his level best to persuade non-0.0 voters that there's no point even attempting to try and get CSM representation. Consider who's interests he's actually serving here.

Meanwhile, people like me and you consistently and frequently advise people to vote.

Seems like there's one group of people who actually care about getting representation for hi-sec, and another group that just want to make excuses and give up rather than even try. I think we can all see pretty clearly who's in which.

I am not trying to convince people not to vote, I am simply saying the CSM is a sham of faux democracy given every single CSM is stacked with nullsec-centric representation. Until there are seats reserved by region, the CSM is a nullsec dominated farce in practice...

Because lets be honest, the CSM is just hurdle one...actually getting CCP to then action stuff takes a strong and unified push, and what will that push be? nullsec agenda items. Again.

..but at which point do you say adding an 8th nullsec rep to the existing 7 nullsec CMS's chorus adds any more net value?

Think diminishing returns on investment.

I'm voting for whichever CSM candidate promises to hunt down the DDoS attackers and remove their fingers from their hands in the slowest, most creative, and painful way imaginable. Flaying the skin on each finger and dripping salt or citrus until they beg to have it cut off sounds good. Kinda like what the GOT books described. If they can do that then they have my vote.

i have no idea who to vote for...

is there a matching website like last year?

Yes, I think the person that runs that site is still collecting questions from the different player segments.

adds any more net value?[/i]"

Can you answer that?

An actually pretty good and well thought out post.

even if he does get elected this year, his voice will just get drowned out by the 10 nullsec voices calling for modular POS's, SOV tweaks, etc etc...

I agree with some points in your post. However, your main purpose seems to be that every player in EvE (highsec) should be forced to play your way.

Thats a good point. Have a cookie.

However...

If you do have a condition where stacking results, which way should it lean...where the population density supports it, or to the contrary? Stacking with population density is reasonable, the inverse not so much...

(Cookie retracted...)

Ultimately dude, how do you address the disenfranchisement of hisec residents like myself who see CSM after CSM stacked with nullsec interests, and only lip service paid to hisec issues -- while CCP attacks current hisec content creation? Who from nullsec is really going to fight against consensual-only-wardecs for example? Who will even go a step further and fitght to have existing wardec evasion holes plugged?

If he runs again, I will vote for Monk, but the bile that I am swallowing is knowing even if he does get elected this year, his voice will just get drowned out by the 10 nullsec voices calling for modular POS's, SOV tweaks, etc etc...

So why shouldn't I be 'meh' on the whole CSM thing? If CCP wants to address voter apathy, they need to deal with this issue I raise.

Are you actually unable to understand that the CSM doesn't work on which sec area the reps come from, or merely unwilling to admit it?

One of these days someone should represent the scammers of Jita. While I don't condone scamming, they should still have a voice.

In order, assuming they run. Some of them are quite unlikely to run but I'd like to see them do so:


Psychotic Monk
James 315
D400
St0ner Smurf
Erotica 1
Cannibal Kane

If a CSM representative is hisec, lowsec, nullsec, pirate, carebear, indy, blobber, solo, up, down, strange, sideways, sex appeal or peppermint is 100% irrelevant.

What matters is if you think that the persons you vote for can work with CCP and help them bring us a better game.

I'm voting for whichever CSM candidate promises to hunt down the DDoS attackers and remove their fingers from their hands in the slowest, most creative, and painful way imaginable. Flaying the skin on each finger and dripping salt or citrus until they beg to have it cut off sounds good. Kinda like what the GOT books described. If they can do that then they have my vote.

Last couple of pages is exactly why people should not vote for Malcanis this year.

Every discussion he gets into turns into a **** fest with people getting defensive on both sides. I've said this about a few others and I'll say it again here: He acts like an obnoxious, full of himself 16 year old. I acted almost identically on forums when I was that age.

His attitude is offensive and as such does not allow for ideas to be properly discussed when he is involved. As such I would ask those who consider him to be right on many occasions to also consider if they'd prefer to have a mature adult representing them instead.

Signed,
Your Dad Naked

I'm sure that any of the other CSMs will, after wearily unplugging their ears, confirm that I have been a tireless defender of villainous bastardy in EVE.

Are you saying none of these long list of nerfs to hisec pew, conflict and content generation were implemented on your watch, or the previous watches of other nullsec-loaded CSM's?

Only carebears with a WoW mentality are true hisecers?

Feyd you representing highsec is like Ted Cruz being elected as democratic candidate for President of the U.S.

I'm a highsec candidate. I only have one thing to say:

If you don't like the balance of people who got elected, get more people voting.

Not all people play the game to hang out on forums and vote on people they never heard of, because they only exist on the forums and not in the game.

I have never played an MMO where those customer representatives were serving the huge game population, they have always been from the minority, spend all their time on the forums and often rarely put many hours in actually playing the game at all.

I have yet to really see CSM in Eve do anything, but I am going to be very surprised if its any different.

I vote for whomever has a distain for this so-called 'CODE'


Oh yeah, and boobees

Yes. That is the uncomfortable question every candidate must be forced to answer: "Where do you stand in regard to 'the Code?'"

"Its a valid part of a valid playstyle and some people get far too worked up about it"

Nothing else you really need to say

That's not the point. The point is to know whether the candidate is pro-miner or pro-ganker. That's the dividing line among the EVE player base. It's like gay marriage or global warming. If you know which side a candidate stands on the issue, you can guess where they stand on about anything else.

I mean gosh, if only a few loudmouthed backseat drivers had stirred that corpulent corpus and put some god damb effort into getting elected and having a voice, maybe I'd have had some help with some of the issues that I lost the argument over.

Gandalf? You want ******* Gandalf? I don't recall being granted the powers of the Istarii as being part of the deal for being elected. We don't get to 1v1 Devs or GMs who make proposals we don't like on a shaky rock bridge over a bottomless chasm. We get to make the strongest argument we can for or against, in a professional, accountable environment.

Just call me Lord.

I have listened carefully to your points, but I am just predicting future performance based on past results...

- It's historical fact that CSM's are stacked with nullsec-centric players. You say 'not a bad thing', or 'we can represent all views' -- I say look at your own words about nullsec mechanics 'being a priority'...while Rome has been burning in hisec.
- CSM's ultimately can't stop CCP from making bad decisions.

So again, as a guy in hisec seeing what makes EvE great being slowly killed by a death of 1,000 cuts, while the CSM's collectively focus on modular POS's et al, I ask...what value CSM?

Confidence in ones abilities is to be admired.

Megalomaniac arrogance on the other hand...

Now just making **** up, on the other hand, that's my favourite thing

Mr Epeen

Did not run

Did not vote

Is bitter about not being represented

:You:

That's not the point. The point is to know whether the candidate is pro-miner or pro-ganker. That's the dividing line among the EVE player base. It's like gay marriage or global warming. If you know which side a candidate stands on the issue, you can guess where they stand on about anything else.

Maybe Ray Sipe. Our very own Lady Gaga:

http://youtu.be/bHLdYVELWrQ




He seems to embody the EvE community very well.

I have listened carefully to your points, but I am just predicting future performance based on past results...

- It's historical fact that CSM's are stacked with nullsec-centric players. You say 'not a bad thing', or 'we can represent all views' -- I say look at your own words about nullsec mechanics 'being a priority'...while Rome has been burning in hisec.
- CSM's ultimately can't stop CCP from making bad decisions.

So again, as a guy in hisec seeing what makes EvE great being slowly killed by a death of 1,000 cuts, while the CSM's collectively focus on modular POS's et al, I ask...what value CSM?

I've been reading all the threads because i wanted to know all the options and probably i will vote for low/npc-small alliance null candidates, but i'm not sure yet. I only know that i won't vote for any high sec candidate, indy or pvper.

I strongly advise the you not seperate candidates as "hi-sec" or "null-sec". Evaluate the platforms on their own merits.

Allow me to recommend Steve Ronuken to your attention

I think I'm gonna vote for candidates who have never been a CSM member.

Some fresh ideas and new attitudes is probably just what the Doctor ordered.



DMC

Is the Mittani an option?