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Dain Rokjaw
Shotguns and Duct Tape
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:46:00 -
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NPC corp suggesting lack of "courage in conviction",, check. Overly bad spelling, (hopefully on purpose), and careless presentation, check Female portrait, unlikely to actually be in the 4%, confused identity, check. Over-inflated sense of self importance, claiming topic ownership, check Frequent replies and hitting "refresh", attention seeking, check Completely ignoring reasonable attempts at discussion, check
All signs point to male adolescent trying too hard, probably raging hormones around early puberty. I prescribe a healthy dose of "grow the **** up"...
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Claud Tiberius
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
21
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:46:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Claud Tiberius wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Claud Tiberius wrote:You can try to separate your life and the characters. But in the end you created the player and you are playing the character. Don't be ashamed, its only a game. Maybe your inability to separate reality from fantasy is your own problem? I have a problem with that? Yes, since you cannot separate the character in the fictional world from the person in the real world. There is no rule saying I cant. If you don't like it, I don't care. Seems to me its your problem.
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masternerdguy
State Protectorate Caldari State
1459
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:48:00 -
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Claud Tiberius wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Claud Tiberius wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Claud Tiberius wrote:You can try to separate your life and the characters. But in the end you created the player and you are playing the character. Don't be ashamed, its only a game. Maybe your inability to separate reality from fantasy is your own problem? I have a problem with that? Yes, since you cannot separate the character in the fictional world from the person in the real world. There is no rule saying I cant. If you don't like it, I don't care. Seems to me its your problem.
If you are unable to see that the character is going to behave differently from the person who plays it, then that is your problem not mine. It seems you are the one projecting your own problems onto the game. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Aih-Li Tahn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:48:00 -
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Dain Rokjaw wrote:NPC corp suggesting lack of "courage in conviction",, check. Overly bad spelling, (hopefully on purpose), and careless presentation, check Female portrait, unlikely to actually be in the 4%, confused identity, check. Over-inflated sense of self importance, claiming topic ownership, check Frequent replies and hitting "refresh", attention seeking, check Completely ignoring reasonable attempts at discussion, check All signs point to male adolescent trying too hard, probably raging hormones around early puberty. I prescribe a healthy dose of "grow the **** up"... way to make asumptions and be constructive and discussion, dude -1/10 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19982
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:49:00 -
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Claud Tiberius wrote:They have everything to do with each other. GǪexcept for one being real and the other being in a game. Granted, pathologies like schizophrenia and borderline personality disorder have a tendency not to be able to make the distinction, but that's in the perception of the action GÇö not in the action itself GÇö and that incorrect connection is why they're labelled as disorders.
Aih-Li Tahn wrote:its hard to find ""normal"" ppl though... i was hoping a discusion would help, but aparently not Again, it would maybe have helped if you had avoided being hostile and baselessly judgemental from the get-go.
Quote:way to make asumptions and be constructive and discussion, dude He's doing exactly the same thing you're doing, you knowGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
120
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:49:00 -
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What we have here, is a failure of people realizing they are the product of their actions.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19982
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:52:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:What we have here, is a failure of people realizing they are the product of their actions. So I take it you haven't realised that you're prejudiced yet, then? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Dain Rokjaw
Shotguns and Duct Tape
24
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:53:00 -
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Aih-Li Tahn wrote:Dain Rokjaw wrote:NPC corp suggesting lack of "courage in conviction",, check. Overly bad spelling, (hopefully on purpose), and careless presentation, check Female portrait, unlikely to actually be in the 4%, confused identity, check. Over-inflated sense of self importance, claiming topic ownership, check Frequent replies and hitting "refresh", attention seeking, check Completely ignoring reasonable attempts at discussion, check All signs point to male adolescent trying too hard, probably raging hormones around early puberty. I prescribe a healthy dose of "grow the **** up"... way to make asumptions and be constructive and discussion, dude -1/10
Evidence. Observation.
And there's been little constructive in this thread since (and including) the first post. People have tried, but you've ignored them like a spoiled brat... |
masternerdguy
State Protectorate Caldari State
1459
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:What we have here, is a failure of people realizing they are the product of their actions. So I take it you haven't realised that you're prejudiced yet, then?
People who are prejudiced tend to be slow to change their ways. Some never do. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
120
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:What we have here, is a failure of people realizing they are the product of their actions. So I take it you haven't realised that you're prejudiced yet, then?
It's not a prejudice if I'm making the judgement on the evidence provided to me through their actions.
If I judged your character as being good at cooking and cleaning because it's a female avatar, that would be prejudice.
I find it disheartening that after a month you still haven't learned that prejudice is short for pre judgement.
its afterjudice, if I make the judgement based on evidence. |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5042
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:54:00 -
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The real question isn't "why are all these 'bad' (Ie content creating) people in EVE".
IMHO the real question is this: why are all these really squeemish people totally unsuited to sandbox style gaming playing a sandbox game then complaining about it's sandbox nature? And why can't they understand that they are the misfits, not the people playing the game within the rules.
I wonder if Grand Theft Auto has a forum where people constantly post "Why you slap innocent Hoes, you must slap Hoes in real life" threads? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19982
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:57:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:It's not a prejudice if I'm making the judgement on the evidence provided to me through their actions. GǪbut since you don't have any such evidence, it is. All you're doing is making judgement based on baseless and nonsensical assumptions that are in every way completely disconnected from any kind of reality. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
120
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:57:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:The real question isn't "why are all these 'bad' (Ie content creating) people in EVE".
IMHO the real question is this: why are all these really squeemish people totally unsuited to sandbox style gaming playing a sandbox game then complaining about it's sandbox nature? And why can't they understand that they are the misfits, not the people playing the game within the rules.
I wonder if Grand Theft Auto has a forum where people constantly post "Why you slap innocent Hoes, you must slap Hoes in real life" threads?
O no, I find it perfectly fine that people who wish to do bad things use EVE as their platform to do those bad things. I mean, I understand bad people exist in and out of game. While they may be unenjoyable aspects of the game, the rest of it more than makes up for thousands and thousands of bad apples.
EvE is a great game, regardless of bad people trying to **** it up. If anything, it makes a much more vibrant contrast of possibility.
Bad people get to do bad things, and I get to judge them as inferior for choosing to do bad things when they could just as easily be making the choice to do good things.
EvE is great. Choices are great. |
masternerdguy
State Protectorate Caldari State
1460
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:58:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: I wonder if Grand Theft Auto has a forum where people constantly post "Why you slap innocent Hoes, you must slap Hoes in real life" threads?
The funny thing is, many major news networks seem to believe that statement. Most of the flak that video games get is based on the assumption that people are going to behave the same way in real life as they do playing the video game.
It's the same flawed reasoning that gets movies, books, and television shows censored or outright banned. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19982
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:59:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Bad people get to bad things, and I get to judge them No you don't, because you have no idea what kind of people they are. In fact, just by arbitrarily classifying them as GÇ£bad peopleGÇ¥, you are showing staggeringly bad judgement.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Serenity Miner
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2014.03.13 23:01:00 -
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Aih-Li Tahn wrote:I understand eve is free and no rules and blah blah blah. this isnt about ccp or how they manage stuff ... this is about comunity and how full of bad ppl it is! u cant even turn around without running into somone trying to take advantage of u with a lie or something! and its almost always not even for profit or money but just beign EVIL! i mean.... i once join a ""mining/industry"" corp and in 10 mins they try to gank my freighter with alot of battleships, why? and then i almost lose a orca with nothing expensive in hold or fit because of gank? i kno harasment is not alowed (even if alot of other stuff is) so is this even reportable? anyway thats not the point, its more..... whyy?? why do ppl go to self harm ways to hurt others? is this how pleyers act IRL too? is eve space australia? editing.... y all the hate ppl? pls stop trolling, im just trying to understand
because the assholes of the world have to go somewhere
Vietnam, Iraq 1 & 2, Afghanistan
4 Wars are enough, Retired US Army O-3 |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
120
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Posted - 2014.03.13 23:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:It's not a prejudice if I'm making the judgement on the evidence provided to me through their actions. GǪbut since you don't have any such evidence, it is. All you're doing is making judgement based on baseless and nonsensical assumptions that are in every way completely disconnected from any kind of reality.
The evidence being shown by the individual choosing to perform the action.
Just as I display what you would consider to be evidence of my being "prejudiced", even though it's wrong because I'm making my judgements on the specific individuals in question based on their actions, I get to use the evidence of their actions as a basis to reach my conclusions on them as a person, since it is their person making the choice. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
120
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Posted - 2014.03.13 23:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Bad people get to bad things, and I get to judge them No you don't, because you have no idea what kind of people they are. In fact, just by arbitrarily classifying them as GÇ£bad peopleGÇ¥, you are showing staggeringly bad judgement.
I do have an idea. Because they've shown me through their actions. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5042
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Posted - 2014.03.13 23:04:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The real question isn't "why are all these 'bad' (Ie content creating) people in EVE".
IMHO the real question is this: why are all these really squeemish people totally unsuited to sandbox style gaming playing a sandbox game then complaining about it's sandbox nature? And why can't they understand that they are the misfits, not the people playing the game within the rules.
I wonder if Grand Theft Auto has a forum where people constantly post "Why you slap innocent Hoes, you must slap Hoes in real life" threads? O no, I find it perfectly fine that people who wish to do bad things use EVE as their platform to do those bad things. I mean, I understand bad people exist in and out of game. While they may be unenjoyable aspects of the game, the rest of it more than makes up for thousands and thousands of bad apples. EvE is a great game, regardless of bad people trying to **** it up. If anything, it makes a much more vibrant contrast of possibility. Bad people get to do bad things, and I get to judge them as inferior for choosing to do bad things when they could just as easily be making the choice to do good things. EvE is great. Choices are great.
Exactly the post that a bad person would make. The 'bad' part is being judmental of people for how they play a video game coupled with this need to be seen as superior (inferred by your use of the word inferior).
I mean seriously, it's pitiful. Right this moment there are people in the real world proving they are better than you, helping others, sacrificing their time, effort and sometimes even lives for others while you sit at a key board and falsely prop your self up as a 'good person' because other video game players play a video game in a way you don't like.
It's as i said before, the 'bad' people of EVE are most likely the well adjusted adults who can keep a video game in proper context while the self proclaimed 'good' are simply the ones trying to mask how truly aweful they are deep down inside. |
Taegan Kairos
Xenon Salvage Inc.
0
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Posted - 2014.03.13 23:05:00 -
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There's plenty of "good people" in Eve. But that's just it, most of them are actually in Eve, playing the game not trawling the forums.
Plus if you start a thread basically saying "everyone who plays this game is an *******" guess what kind of reaction you're going to get...
Not to mention the whole concept of "good" people and "bad" people is ridiculously over simplistic and subject to opinion, especially when you add the impossible criteria of comparing real life and in game actions. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19982
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Posted - 2014.03.13 23:05:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:The evidence being shown by the individual choosing to perform the action. GǪwhich you've never witnessed. The only choice you've seen is that they play a game.
I take it you are a bad person then since you made the exact same choice?
Quote:Just as I display what you would consider to be evidence of my being "prejudiced" Nope. You see, I see you making prejudiced claims, which makes me label you as prejudiced. You see people play a game, which makes you draw the unrelated conclusion that they're bad people. If I made the same prejudiced statements you did, I would try to connect your baseless and wild accusations of other people with some cognitive-empathic disorder, which I can't since I haven't been able to make any relevant observations.
Quote:I get to use the evidence of their actions as a basis to reach my conclusions on them as a person You do, if you ever get to observe their actions, which you don't. All you ever observe is that they're playing a game GÇö same as you. If you want to use such loose connections, we can conclude that you are actually a giraffe. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5043
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Posted - 2014.03.13 23:06:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: I wonder if Grand Theft Auto has a forum where people constantly post "Why you slap innocent Hoes, you must slap Hoes in real life" threads?
The funny thing is, many major news networks seem to believe that statement. Most of the flak that video games get is based on the assumption that people are going to behave the same way in real life as they do playing the video game. It's the same flawed reasoning that gets movies, books, and television shows censored or outright banned.
Well said, and most of the people doing the censoring (or asking for the censoring) do so while having their noses stuck in the air because they are the "good people" protecting everyone else from evil....when in fact their actions make them bad people trying to supress freedom. |
masternerdguy
State Protectorate Caldari State
1460
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Posted - 2014.03.13 23:06:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: It's as i said before, the 'bad' people of EVE are most likely the well adjusted adults who can keep a video game in proper context while the self proclaimed 'good' are simply the ones trying to mask how truly aweful they are deep down inside.
I've never seen anyone put it so well, I agree. I'll remember this quote when the topic returns in a few days. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
120
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Posted - 2014.03.13 23:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:The evidence being shown by the individual choosing to perform the action. GǪwhich you've never witnessed. The only choice you've seen is that they play a game. I take it you are a bad person then since you made the exact same choice? Quote:Just as I display what you would consider to be evidence of my being "prejudiced" Nope. You see, I see you making prejudiced claims, which makes me label you as prejudiced. You see people play a game, which makes you draw the unrelated conclusion that they're bad people. Quote:I get to use the evidence of their actions as a basis to reach my conclusions on them as a person You do, if you ever get to observe their actions, which you don't. All you ever observe is that they're playing a game GÇö same as you. If you want to use such loose connections, we can conclude that you are actually a giraffe.
You have a disconnect between cause and effect. There is a choice to treat people nicely. People who choose to treat people poorly are bad people because they are choosing to perform the action that distinguishes them as bad people.
I'm really sorry for anyone who has to interact with you, because you display a tendency to feel a disconnection between your actions and the effects it will cause. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19982
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Posted - 2014.03.13 23:12:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:You have a disconnect between cause and effect. Nope. I just don't share your baseless assumed connection between game strategy and real-life personality.
Quote:There is a choice to treat people nicely. GǪa choice you never get to observe since you never meet the person. The only choice you observe is their strategy in a competitive game environment.
Since you hate it so much, let's go back to this old simile: does bluffing in poker make you a bad person and a compulsive liar? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Dain Rokjaw
Shotguns and Duct Tape
24
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Posted - 2014.03.13 23:14:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:
You have a disconnect between cause and effect. There is a choice to treat people nicely. People who choose to treat people poorly are bad people because they are choosing to perform the action that distinguishes them as bad people.
I'm really sorry for anyone who has to interact with you, because you display a tendency to feel a disconnection between your actions and the effects it will cause.
You do understand the difference between player and character, between in real life and in a game... right?
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Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
120
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Posted - 2014.03.13 23:14:00 -
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Dain Rokjaw wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:
You have a disconnect between cause and effect. There is a choice to treat people nicely. People who choose to treat people poorly are bad people because they are choosing to perform the action that distinguishes them as bad people.
I'm really sorry for anyone who has to interact with you, because you display a tendency to feel a disconnection between your actions and the effects it will cause.
You do understand the difference between player and character, between in real life and in a game... right?
You do understand that the character is controlled by the player? That the game is being played within real life. . . . right? |
masternerdguy
State Protectorate Caldari State
1460
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Posted - 2014.03.13 23:14:00 -
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Dain Rokjaw wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:
You have a disconnect between cause and effect. There is a choice to treat people nicely. People who choose to treat people poorly are bad people because they are choosing to perform the action that distinguishes them as bad people.
I'm really sorry for anyone who has to interact with you, because you display a tendency to feel a disconnection between your actions and the effects it will cause.
You do understand the difference between player and character, between in real life and in a game... right?
The issue with his reasoning is that he does not. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19982
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Posted - 2014.03.13 23:17:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:You do understand that the character is controlled by the player? You do understand that the context of the actions of that character is that they happen inside of a game, right?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Divine Entervention
The Advent of Faith Against ALL Anomalies
120
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Posted - 2014.03.13 23:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:You do understand that the character is controlled by the player? You do understand that the context of the actions of that character is that they happen inside of a game, right?
A game driven by the choices of the individuals within. Yes |
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