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Poetic Stanziel Arrakis Technology 271	Posted - 2011.11.13 00:59:00 - [1] - Quote EVE University graduates their students with a particular brand of carebear attitude that I feel is extremely damaging to the future of EVE Online. ... If EVE University were an actual teaching organization, consisting of a few hundred dedicated teachers and the couple hundred actual newbies that pass through their doors every three months, then I would support that organization unequivocally. What EVE University actually has become is a dedicated carebear organization, where 1000 members have nothing at all to do with the teaching of any newbie. It's a self-interested collection of risk-averse industrialists who use the University's claim as a teaching organization to voice their loud displeasure with the dangers and risks of EVE Online. Even now we see CCP bowing to this pressure, as high security space becomes even safer. What EVE University needs to do is to get back to their original mission statement. They need to kick 1000 people to the curb, refocus on what they once did best -- teach new players this amazing game. They need to teach people that this game was built on the concept of conflict, and teach them that conflict drives everything good about this game. Sadly, they've been doing just the opposite, and I think the large part of the blame can firmly rest with the bloat of 1000 carebears that they've permanently and detrimentally acquired over the years. That was the TL;DR. Click for the complete post. EVE Online: Incarna - New Coke EVE Online: Winter Expansion - Coke Classic
Paragon Renegade Solar Arbiters 86	Posted - 2011.11.13 01:02:00 - [2] - Quote Solution: Kill them all with blobs. Simple solutions to simple problems "Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?" "How wrong you are"
Justin Credulent Perkone Caldari State 41	Posted - 2011.11.13 01:03:00 - [3] - Quote I'm tired of reading you cry about E-UNI. If you want risk, go to low-sec. If you want conflict, convince the null-sec carebears to actually start fighting eachother.
Reislier 32	Posted - 2011.11.13 01:15:00 - [4] - Quote I think you should wash your produce.
John Caesse Navy of Xoc The Remnant Legion 88	Posted - 2011.11.13 01:16:00 - [5] - Quote Oh look, a broken record
Written Word Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 105	Posted - 2011.11.13 01:23:00 - [6] - Quote How do you let a "carebear organization" make you cry so much?
Alpheias Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED 157	Posted - 2011.11.13 01:24:00 - [7] - Quote Oh look, someone desperate to generate traffic to their blog. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more
Poetic Stanziel Arrakis Technology 272	Posted - 2011.11.13 01:42:00 - [8] - Quote Written Word wrote: How do you let a "carebear organization" make you cry so much? Because CCP is starting to listen to the carebear whining and it is ruining this game. EVE University is at the forefront of that whining. They churn out most of the carebears in this game. EVE Online: Incarna - New Coke EVE Online: Winter Expansion - Coke Classic
mkint 320	Posted - 2011.11.13 01:43:00 - [9] - Quote show us all on the doll where the bad man touched you
Poetic Stanziel Arrakis Technology 272	Posted - 2011.11.13 01:45:00 - [10] - Quote mkint wrote: show us all on the doll where the bad man touched you http://www.explosm.net/comics/2600/ EVE Online: Incarna - New Coke EVE Online: Winter Expansion - Coke Classic
Justin Credulent Perkone Caldari State 41	Posted - 2011.11.13 01:48:00 - [11] - Quote Poetic Stanziel wrote: Written Word wrote: How do you let a "carebear organization" make you cry so much? Because CCP is starting to listen to the carebear whining and it is ruining this game. EVE University is at the forefront of that whining. They churn out most of the carebears in this game. So CCP should listen to null-sec cearbear whining?
Dirk Magnum Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan 59	Posted - 2011.11.13 01:52:00 - [12] - Quote Poetic Stanziel wrote: That was the TL;DR. Click for the complete post. Liked ^infinity
Paragon Renegade Solar Arbiters 86	Posted - 2011.11.13 01:57:00 - [13] - Quote All I saw in the blog & post was crying about poeple manipulating the game to suit their needs. You know, like everyone else. "Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?" "How wrong you are"
Asuri Kinnes Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 35	Posted - 2011.11.13 02:31:00 - [14] - Quote Poetic Stanziel wrote: EVE University graduates their students... How do you condense so much stupid into such a short post? This line is literally the only piece of your blog based in the reality outside your mind... It really butt-hurt you when they booted you out, yeah, we get that. Grow up and HTFU, ffs and get some therapy... Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!
Mehrdad Kor-Azor Viziam Amarr Empire 75	Posted - 2011.11.13 02:37:00 - [15] - Quote Do you have to post this drivel on the forums every time you make a new post on that blog of yours? Keep it there.
Apollo Gabriel Mercatoris Etherium Cartel 225	Posted - 2011.11.13 03:12:00 - [16] - Quote Your forum posts annoy the hell out of me, one makes sense the next one if vomit. However, I say keep making them, since clearly you enjoy it. Let EveU be themselves, they enjoy it. Being a Carebear isn't bad in eve, it's where you get your bullets from. Repair Drones should be able to repair anyone ... really, they should. -áThink of them as the first targetable subsystem if you're worried about PvP and for missions if someone wants Rep drones over a flight of Hobs, who cares. -áThere is no reasonable objection here other than it's always been that way (so was RR until recently).
Justin Credulent Perkone Caldari State 45	Posted - 2011.11.13 03:12:00 - [17] - Quote Get some therapy. Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships!
Poetic Stanziel Arrakis Technology 278	Posted - 2011.11.13 03:19:00 - [18] - Quote Asuri Kinnes wrote: Poetic Stanziel wrote: EVE University graduates their students... Grow up and HTFU, ffs and get some therapy... You're at the forefront of defending their carebear attitudes. I'd harden the ** up if CCP wasn't working so hard to soften the ** up. EVE University is the reason why this game is become soft and doughy. EVE Online: Incarna - New Coke EVE Online: Winter Expansion - Coke Classic
Justin Credulent Perkone Caldari State 47	Posted - 2011.11.13 03:25:00 - [19] - Quote Poetic Stanziel wrote: Asuri Kinnes wrote: Poetic Stanziel wrote: EVE University graduates their students... Grow up and HTFU, ffs and get some therapy... You're at the forefront of defending their carebear attitudes. I'd harden the ** up if CCP wasn't working so hard to soften the up. EVE University is the reason why this game is become soft and doughy. CCP has nothing to do with it child. HTFU on your own! Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears** and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships!
Stella Dust Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2011.11.13 03:25:00 - [20] - Quote Poetic Stanziel wrote: Asuri Kinnes wrote: Poetic Stanziel wrote: EVE University graduates their students... Grow up and HTFU, ffs and get some therapy... You're at the forefront of defending their carebear attitudes. I'd harden the ** up if CCP wasn't working so hard to soften the ** up. EVE University is the reason why this game is become soft and doughy. There's nothing wrong with carebear attitudes, if PvPers would actually want to fight real targets there would be no problem, but a lot of PvPers are just carebears anyway, hitting soft targets that rarely fight back. As for EVE Uni, The last I heard they actually train pilots (probably just those who want to PvP) to PvP.
Justin Credulent Perkone Caldari State 47	Posted - 2011.11.13 03:27:00 - [21] - Quote Quote: a lot of PvPers are just carebears anyway, hitting soft targets that rarely fight back. Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships!
Poetic Stanziel Arrakis Technology 278	Posted - 2011.11.13 03:28:00 - [22] - Quote Stella Dust wrote: There's nothing wrong with carebear attitudes, if PvPers would actually want to fight real targets there would be no problem, but a lot of PvPers are just carebears anyway, hitting soft targets that rarely fight back. Few people fight fairly. E-Uni doesn't. Gankers don't. Null folks don't. Everyone wants their advantage. I'm cool with that. What I see is that E-Uni doesn't want to fight at all. This attitude is becoming increasingly prevalent. The E-Uni attitude is infectious. EVE Online: Incarna - New Coke EVE Online: Winter Expansion - Coke Classic
Justin Credulent Perkone Caldari State 47	Posted - 2011.11.13 03:32:00 - [23] - Quote Poetic Stanziel wrote: Stella Dust wrote: There's nothing wrong with carebear attitudes, if PvPers would actually want to fight real targets there would be no problem, but a lot of PvPers are just carebears anyway, hitting soft targets that rarely fight back. Few people fight fairly. E-Uni doesn't. Gankers don't. Null folks don't. Everyone wants their advantage. I'm cool with that. What I see is that E-Uni doesn't want to fight at all. This attitude is becoming increasingly prevalent. The E-Uni attitude is infectious. Oh well. Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships!
Stella Dust Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2011.11.13 03:40:00 - [24] - Quote Poetic Stanziel wrote: Stella Dust wrote: There's nothing wrong with carebear attitudes, if PvPers would actually want to fight real targets there would be no problem, but a lot of PvPers are just carebears anyway, hitting soft targets that rarely fight back. Few people fight fairly. E-Uni doesn't. Gankers don't. Null folks don't. Everyone wants their advantage. I'm cool with that. What I see is that E-Uni doesn't want to fight at all. This attitude is becoming increasingly prevalent. The E-Uni attitude is infectious. EVE-Uni are neutral because they're a training corp, so how do you expect them to fight? PvP is player/players Vs player/players, killing a mining barge in high-sec is not PvP, it's PvE because the only one that engages the aggressor is Concord (NPC). Playing the market is not PvP, if it was then that would mean all WoW PvE servers were actually PvP, which they're not (added this because some people think pretty much anything is PvP).
Poetic Stanziel Arrakis Technology 278	Posted - 2011.11.13 03:45:00 - [25] - Quote Stella Dust wrote: EVE-Uni are neutral because they're a training corp, so how do you expect them to fight? They are far from being a training corp. You don't need 1200 people to train the ~300 newbies they have in corporation at any one time. EVE Online: Incarna - New Coke EVE Online: Winter Expansion - Coke Classic
Denidil The Graduates Morsus Mihi 154	Posted - 2011.11.13 03:46:00 - [26] - Quote sweet sweet griefer tiers. if you want pew pew go fight someone who can shoot back. MM Bombers, Best Bombers
Poetic Stanziel Arrakis Technology 278	Posted - 2011.11.13 03:51:00 - [27] - Quote Denidil wrote: sweet sweet griefer tiers. if you want pew pew go fight someone who can shoot back. Highsec players can shoot back. Choosing not to shoot back is not the same as being unable to shoot back. If someone shoots your Mackinaw, you can do something about it. Running to the forums and screaming at CCP to fix things so that you don't lose anymore Mackinaws is hardly the answer. EVE Online: Incarna - New Coke EVE Online: Winter Expansion - Coke Classic
Lord Mandelor Consolidated Holdings War Ensemble. 65	Posted - 2011.11.13 03:52:00 - [28] - Quote I saw Poetic had made the topic, and expected a link to a blog. I was not dissapointed. For some reason, I'm suddenly reminded that some animals eat their young. ConHo Daily: http://conhodaily.blogspot.com Stories ranging from midgets inside your Damage Control to drones becoming self-aware.
Apollo Gabriel Mercatoris Etherium Cartel 227	Posted - 2011.11.13 03:54:00 - [29] - Quote IF you want to blame someone ... blame the Mo0 they CAUSED concord to be like it is now. The fact that so many eve players will drive a bus though the smallest hole is the reason for the SAFE high sec. Eve isn't darkfail and there are reasons for that, they want people to play who aren't psychopaths (not that they want to exclude them, they just want more). Repair Drones should be able to repair anyone ... really, they should. -áThink of them as the first targetable subsystem if you're worried about PvP and for missions if someone wants Rep drones over a flight of Hobs, who cares. -áThere is no reasonable objection here other than it's always been that way (so was RR until recently).
Kalmanaka Cockpit Commandos 18	Posted - 2011.11.13 03:55:00 - [30] - Quote Eve is based on conflict. Whether it's fighting in ships, scamming, or competing in the market, it's conflict that makes the game what it is. Anything done to remove conflict, or make it possible to avoid conflict, ruins the game. Whats worse is that if you teach new players that they should be upset at a war, you're doing nothing but ruining the entire game experience for them. Instead of being excited at the idea of combat, they get all emo and whine about it. Instead of the game being fun, it brings misery and disappointment. There's a thousand games out there with no real loss. A thousand games where you can die and magically reappear with all your stuff. Turning Eve into one of those games will destroy the entire concept of a "cold, dark, harsh place." I think with the recent changes to wardec immunity rules, Eve finally crossed that line where it can no longer claim to be a cold, dark, harsh place.

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