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Nhanderu Mbaekuaa
District-13
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Posted - 2014.04.06 12:31:00 -
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Or perhaps I'd say bullying and bragging, but I am not sure if they are different things. Let's stick with bullying. Ok, it is done to everyone, so it is not serious bullying; it is not the usual situation where a gang concentrates all the mocking and pressure in one or two newbies selected at random from the new flock. It is probably closer to peer-presure in scientific-technical communities, or even to a fraternity initiation ritual. Not that I like the guys at Skulls and Bones.
Usual arguments for this generic kill are:
- "I can". Everything told, here.
- "silent them". Er??? Pirate-wise, it increases the visibility of the system in the map. By killing the pod, you get it silenced in local... and a big danger mark in the global map, telling everyone to carry more force, or more caution, where crossing your system.
-"raise the price of implants". Ok if you manufacture them, but otherwise?
-"as real life". It is fascinating how many people in EVE seem to play from favelas in Brasil suburbia. Wait, I have been there and I have never been killed inside of the pod.
-"trophy" That could have sense, because in the killboards a hi-sec pod killing is, arguably, scored same that a battle-situation low sec.
What I am a bit surprised is that the times this topic emerges in the forum, people does not like to look at the ritual/etnological side of the issue. I'd like to heard about it. Does it build community? Does it correct some problem in the game, by hardeninng the players? |
Salvos Rhoska
1003
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Posted - 2014.04.06 12:35:00 -
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What is your problem exactly
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Mara Tessidar
Dark Star Safari
1065
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Posted - 2014.04.06 12:37:00 -
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Nhanderu Mbaekuaa wrote: I'd like to heard about it. Does it build community? Does it correct some problem in the game, by hardeninng the players?
you betcha |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2014.04.06 12:38:00 -
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Secure space? The only secure space is docked up... |
Sher Rayet
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2014.04.06 12:42:00 -
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I've never heard about pixels blowing up is bullying. |
Jawls Rohn
Neon Incorporated
404 Alliance Not Found
0
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Posted - 2014.04.06 12:55:00 -
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Assuming we are talking about hi sec, only time I've had my pod killed recently was when went suspect so my own fault. Sure, there may be a few people who will suicide pod kill you just for laughs, but it's not a profitable action. Just don't autopilot and your pod is perfectly safe in hi sec.
If not hi sec, what do you expect?
Pod kills, on their own, are not bullying. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
3114
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Posted - 2014.04.06 12:56:00 -
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What I dont understand is
Why do people let their pods get killed?
Now, while there is a small chance the attacker ("Bully" is subjective and emotive) may be able to lock the pod before it escapes,
there are many ways to save the pod even if the ship is going down.
So, a pod loss in most cases results from one of several factors;
1) Not knowing the mechanics - If so, then it should encourage the poddee to learn them
2) Not being fast enough - Encouraging the poddee to tighten up his speed, this is essential in any interaction on EvE, tbh
3) Being AFK - Well if you are AFK in space then you are being purposefully oblivious to simple Health & Safety standards and it is most definately the poddee's fault for putting himself in that position in the first place. Again, next time, he may be less willing to leave his ship unattended
4) Spending time he could use to get away to rant and rave - This is a more common cause of death than most give credit for. Swearing and acting up does not give you any closure, nor will it bring your ship back, so what is the purpose of it?
In short, if you give an attacker a target, he is likely to want to shoot it. There is satisfaction to be had in destroying a target, the explosion is pleasing and it is both possible and encouraged. Any idea that non-consensual combat is in any way illegitimate is not a facet of EvE, it never has been and should never be.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20478
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Posted - 2014.04.06 12:59:00 -
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No. Largely because you can't pod klil in secure space since nothing of the kind exists in the game.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes
Margin of Silence
2829
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Posted - 2014.04.06 13:02:00 -
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Nhanderu Mbaekuaa wrote:Or perhaps I'd say bullying and bragging, but I am not sure if they are different things.
you don't know the meaning of the words, then  |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1603
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Posted - 2014.04.06 13:02:00 -
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If you stick around after your ship gets blown up I just assume you want a quick ride home.
I know I call for "Pod Express" in local when I get my ass blown up in hostile space. [and High Sec is about as hostile as space can get imho.]
BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
2132
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Posted - 2014.04.06 13:10:00 -
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I like corpses. |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
82
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Posted - 2014.04.06 13:12:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:I like corpses.
Yeah, everyone should crack open a cold one now and then... |
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
535
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Posted - 2014.04.06 13:14:00 -
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It's the closest thing to 'tea bagging' that EVE offers... |
Mag's
the united
SCUM.
17008
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Posted - 2014.04.06 13:15:00 -
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What's 'secure space' and where can I find it?
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
3114
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Posted - 2014.04.06 13:16:00 -
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Mag's wrote:What's 'secure space' and where can I find it?
Argon Prime
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17697
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Posted - 2014.04.06 13:29:00 -
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Mag's wrote:What's 'secure space' and where can I find it?
Europa, all of the worlds are ours, except that one, we're not allowed to land there.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20480
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Posted - 2014.04.06 13:31:00 -
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Mag's wrote:What's 'secure space' and where can I find it?
Ask your ISP if they provide SFTP.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Teyr Schmitt
An Errant Venture
1
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Posted - 2014.04.06 13:42:00 -
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Nhanderu Mbaekuaa wrote:Or perhaps I'd say bullying and bragging, but I am not sure if they are different things. Let's stick with bullying. Ok, it is done to everyone, so it is not serious bullying; it is not the usual situation where a gang concentrates all the mocking and pressure in one or two newbies selected at random from the new flock. It is probably closer to peer-presure in scientific-technical communities, or even to a fraternity initiation ritual. Not that I like the guys at Skulls and Bones.
Usual arguments for this generic kill are:
- "I can". Everything told, here.
- "silent them". Er??? Pirate-wise, it increases the visibility of the system in the map. By killing the pod, you get it silenced in local... and a big danger mark in the global map, telling everyone to carry more force, or more caution, where crossing your system.
-"raise the price of implants". Ok if you manufacture them, but otherwise?
-"as real life". It is fascinating how many people in EVE seem to play from favelas in Brasil suburbia. Wait, I have been there and I have never been killed inside of the pod.
-"trophy" That could have sense, because in the killboards a hi-sec pod killing is, arguably, scored same that a battle-situation low sec.
What I am a bit surprised is that the times this topic emerges in the forum, people does not like to look at the ritual/etnological side of the issue. I'd like to heard about it. Does it build community? Does it correct some problem in the game, by hardeninng the players?
You forgot:
-Tactically remove said pilot from a given situation
More true in Low/Null/Wspace than Hi, granted, but it's still
-Dumbasses who CBA to get their pod out in hi sec deserve to be podded
There's no AoE bubbles. You should not be in a situation where you are podded in hi sec unless lag/computer freeze/etc.
This coming from a vanilla clone that lives in Wspace. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
110
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Posted - 2014.04.06 14:01:00 -
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Why would you consider it bullying? It-¦s just another thing to shoot and specially in hi sec it can get you very expensive kills. |
Xavier Holtzman
Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity
Fatal Ascension
118
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Posted - 2014.04.06 14:02:00 -
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Nhanderu Mbaekuaa wrote:Or perhaps I'd say bullying and bragging, but I am not sure if they are different things
They are.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
4456
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Posted - 2014.04.06 14:05:00 -
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There's so much wrong with his post... I literally don't know what retort to use.
Wavering between "watchlisted" "uninstall", and "Go back to WoW". I had considered "highsec is not supposed to be safe", but others have made that point already.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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MonkeyMagic Thiesant
Shockwave Innovations
Surely You're Joking
57
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Posted - 2014.04.06 14:16:00 -
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a) There's no such thing as "secure" space.
b) A pod kill is no different than any other kill. Sometimes they're worth a lot more than the ship itself - yesterday someone died in HS with an 8bn pod (after his 2.5bn vindi died). |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
3115
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Posted - 2014.04.06 14:47:00 -
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To directly answer the OP
Are not, they.
"Not be not do, but do. Be are no there try."
- Doya,
Wars of the Stars, Part the Fifth: The Counterattack of the Counter-Revolutionaries
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"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn
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Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
1658
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Posted - 2014.04.06 14:48:00 -
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Nhanderu Mbaekuaa wrote:Or perhaps I'd say bullying and bragging, but I am not sure if they are different things. Let's stick with bullying. Ok, it is done to everyone, so it is not serious bullying; it is not the usual situation where a gang concentrates all the mocking and pressure in one or two newbies selected at random from the new flock. It is probably closer to peer-presure in scientific-technical communities, or even to a fraternity initiation ritual. Not that I like the guys at Skulls and Bones.
... regret to inform you... yada, yada, yada... EVE... yada, yada... is a harsh, combat game designed for, and by, hard ass gamers who like to blow **** up.
Welcome. 
... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
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Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs
Monkeys with Guns.
183
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Posted - 2014.04.06 14:56:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:What I dont understand is
Why do people let their pods get killed?
Alcohol |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
3115
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Posted - 2014.04.06 14:57:00 -
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Charlie Firpol wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:What I dont understand is
Why do people let their pods get killed?
Alcohol
Trudat
Testify, brother
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Sarah McKnobbo
McKnobbo Universal Traders
144
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Posted - 2014.04.06 15:09:00 -
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No. It's a perfectly valid thing to do |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
1071
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Posted - 2014.04.06 15:20:00 -
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If we weren't supposed to kill pods, CCP wouldn't have given us killable pods. Since they did, and we know for a fact that they don't support bullying, we can only assume that pod killing is not bullying, and working as intended.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
1060
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Posted - 2014.04.06 15:22:00 -
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If anything, those that present such juicy and easy targets are the bully.
Its unfair on the poor, nearly innocent ganker who has difficulty controlling the urge to F1.
Autopiloting/drunk/distracted/slow pods take advantage of the vulnerability of gankers. Just mean really.
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
377
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Posted - 2014.04.06 15:37:00 -
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Any time you lose a ship and/or pod, it is your own damn fault, not anyone else's.
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