No, you can't buy ISK with real money.

You can buy PLEX or GTCs with real money.
If nobody buys them from you,
then you don't get a single ISK.

What was it that would have taken more than 200 days to train?

LOL, read the title and thought it was a thread about having long waits to group up in null alliance fleets, left disappointed.

I take it this is another one of those "I want to fly a Titan on Day 1" posts.

Could you tell us exactly what it is you are unable to do that you feel you should be able to do from day 1?

Right. Wait a year to play. That was my point. Just not for me. Might not be for others, either. Hence, the thread.

That's my point though. Updating your skill queue takes no time at all. You can take ten seconds to update your queue once a week and do literally *anything* else in RL or in any other game. If anything, eve caters to those players whose time has value as you don't have to spend 200 hours of mind numbing grind just to level your character.

The number was a hip shot. Ultimately, it doesn't matter. The point is that training for a ship is the beginning of training for that ship, not the end. There are numerous skills that bear on the utility of a ship. That amounts to significantly more training time than the face-value time noted in the "Requirements" tab. That was the point.

I blame the parents. Kids today don't have to work to earn anything. They just ask for it and they get it. Insufferable, self-entitled brats, all of them.

So what about all the things you can do with a low skill set that I alluded to?

Doing your skills is as much a game as the main game itself if you want something fancy, but theres dozens of things that can be done with low or even no skills.

Theres no problm in EvE that there isnt a solution to

In a sense isk is xp in eve as it is required for advancment. If you buy plex it will indeed ruin your first few months the same way buying a level 80 (no idea what the level cap is now) paladin with all bis gear will ruin your game in WoW. If you progress normally you should always be working to earn isk towards that next ship while your skills improve until you can both finance and fly your desired goal.

I believe that there is no in-game solution to the problem I have brought up in this thread.

Your point is valid. It takes no game time to train skills. I suppose I could queue up the skills over several months, and then start "playing." That doesn't appeal to me, however. The journey is, in my opinion, part of the game.

Could you tell us exactly what it is you are unable to do that you feel you should be able to do from day 1?

It is about my game time not influencing my ability to get what has the greatest value (or bearing on gameplay) in the game, aside from the human skills one brings to, or acquires in, the game.

In my first month in eve I took up ninja salvaging and trading. In my second month of eve I joined a C5 wh alliance just after the release of apocrypha. Had a good time there for 6 months. On my seventh month of eve I joined an npc 0.0 corp to learn the ropes of pvp.

Does that sound like "wait to play"?

If you want to be taken seriously, then I would have expected some facts behind that number instead of a hip shot. Also, it does matter.

Certain skills are used in each and every ship type. This means that once you have them, they will always be there to help. But if you expect to be able to fly a BS with all level 5's after a couple of months, then it's not the game that's at fault.

Right. Wait a year to play. That was my point. Just not for me. Might not be for others, either. Hence, the thread.

What I oppose is the idea that a gameGÇöany gameGÇöshould be founded on the principle of play without reward

Great post OP.

Really hit the nail on the head.

Sadly, as has been demonstrated multiple times already, this thread will continue to fill up with personal insults, breaking the rules, causing an ISD to lock it.

Because the majority of people who take time to visit these forums don't want the views and opinions that oppose their own to exist.

EVE is a numbers game. Plain and simple.

If opening up EFT and finding out exactly how much of an upgrade a certain module from meta 3 > meta 4 > tech 2 and how much tank or dps that 16 day 5% skill train actually nets you doesn't get your juices flowing then EVE isn't for you.

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