No, just the people who think it's impossible to do it without bonused light drones. Most of the mission battleships in the entire game get by with unbonused light drones.





Yes. The ship is already a lawnmower. I can solo two T3 cruisers with it and come out on top. To give it bonused light drones, the missile bonus would have had to be nerfed. Which is not acceptable since the missile bonus is the best thing about the ship now.




The majority of the playerbase don't scream and howl about light drones like they actually matter. They don't. It was just you and Fabulous I Love Temp Bans Rod and his alt army who did.

You were basically alone. It was you, and the guy who was trolling even harder than you were.

Everyone else was against you.

The issue we are discussing is that Light drone bonuses were removed because Heavy drones were wonderful against frigates.

The problem is seen identified and known. It needs fixing.

No, that's just something you made up. The truth is rather different, but then you have clearly never cared about the truth, judging by your posting history.




The only problem I see is that apparently Ogre 2s were bugged on the test server prior to launch and tracked too well. I was hitting 4 of 7 shots with them against Blood Raider frigate rats. I assume that was patched out, that's what the test server is for after all, and it did include a full drone pass into the mix.

But since there are several other ways for the Rattlesnake to deal with frigate rats besides Ogre 2s, there is no problem here. The same tactics that always worked before, will work now.

Jump away, blap with sentries, while applying missile dps to the larger ships as they approach you. Geckos still work fine also, their time to kill is a fair bit faster than Ogres against frigates.

Which is pretty much what I said to Stoic.

So aside from you throwing an autistic fit about not being able to use bonused light drones against frigates, what problem do you think there is here? Please, I would love to hear it.

So let me see if I have this right.
Kaarous is happy, therefore anyone who isn't him is delusional?

Are you actually saying that heavy drones are good?

You also do realise that to shoot one spider or scramming drone you are suggesting adding 6 minutes to a mission? Does that sound reasonable to you in some strange way?

Jump, kill drone, wait 3 minutes, Jump, wait 3 minutes before taking gate, unless you want to be FORCED to take damage until the timer expires?

It's stoicfaux data not mine, backed up by everyone else's experience.

Nothing in his data suggests that anyone should be stupid enough to use a micro jump to kill a single spider drone. Nor is it anything I said.

That's just you scrambling for a strawman to attack, since you don't nor have you ever had a real argument.

Ok, 2 or 3 or 20 does that make any difference at all? It is still meaning two micro jumps and wasted time.

Do you actually play EVE? I defy you to tell me any mission with 20 spider drones.

Speaking of the Rattlesnake, I do not recommending using Heavies against NPC frigates. Something(tm) happened when CCP tweaked their tracking.

For example: warriors, ~12 seconds to kill an Angel Webifier

Heavy drones are NOT capable against Frigates, You argued until you were blue in the face how wonderful they were, they are proven to be useless.

The issue needs fixing.

Do you actually play EVE? I defy you to tell me any mission with 20 spider drones.

13:51:24Combat1300 to Devilfish Alvi - Gecko - Penetrates
13:51:19Combat850 to Strain Splinter Alvi - Gecko - Glances Off
13:51:14Combat1300 to Devilfish Alvi - Gecko - Hits
13:51:09Combat1175 to Silverfish Alvi - Gecko - Penetrates
13:51:04Combat1175 to Silverfish Alvi - Gecko - Glances Off
13:50:59Combat850 to Strain Splinter Alvi - Gecko - Penetrates
13:50:54Combat975 to Strain Render Alvi - Gecko - Hits

But my gecko one shots 7 of the smallest rats with no misses.



Proven where?

ive seen something that suggests they are slightly less effective than lights against frigs. i can live with that.

Anyone ever told u that ur a bit of a drama queen?

Just time to accept that I can't cure stupid.

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+1

I've had zero problems getting my super-gecko to kill small npcs, then again my super gecko rarely gets to kill small things because I use 5 RHMLs and target paint the little guys while my gecko chews on Battleships, then I support the gecko with missile fire when the small stuff is dead, if any BSs are left that is.

edit: I've checked the HP of a rattle's ogre and its about 1/3 of a gecko. Yeesh. Is the gecko just flat out superior in everything except raw DPS?

pretty much.
However, the drawback of the Gecko is that a lot of its rainbow damage is resisted by elite rats. So use correct damage types against Arch Gist's, Guardian Serp's and the likes

Normal heavies do fine, they are NOT useless and still hit frigs. Its just the all or nothing nature of having fewer more powerful drones make them less consistent. Sometimes u'll insta pop frigs, sometimes there will be a few misses, sometimes there will be a lot of misses.

The rattlers drone bay still allows u to carry:
2x Heavies
2x Sentries
1x Gecko
5x Small

so if push comes to shove, having 5 smalls that do 66.67% of the damage they used to leaves the performance of the rattler against small targets unchanged in any significant way. U are not threatened by frigs in missions and u are not slowed down by frigates in ur missions such that ur rewards/hour are hurt.

edit: I've checked the HP of a rattle's ogre and its about 1/3 of a gecko. Yeesh. Is the gecko just flat out superior in everything except raw DPS?

If you're bothered by potentially losing drones, you can also try out faction variants instead of T2. This is also helpful if, like me, you don't have T2 heavies trained up. This also works well with faction sentries. The only thing you really lose is the T2 specialization bonus now that faction drones have been buffed to be not worthless.

Imperial Navy Praetors are just beastly.

Well when a missile implant that adds 5% to damage costs eve's. equivalent value of a kidney losing 33.333% damage and 33.333% of your hitpoints is more than insignificant, it is more like losing a leg.

If you're bothered by potentially losing drones, you can also try out faction variants instead of T2. This is also helpful if, like me, you don't have T2 heavies trained up. This also works well with faction sentries. The only thing you really lose is the T2 specialization bonus now that faction drones have been buffed to be not worthless.

Imperial Navy Praetors are just beastly.