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Dahak2150
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Posted - 2006.07.28 02:53:00 -
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Signs of a macro.....
--Newbie corp for an insane period of time --Never been in anything but the newbie corp --No standings with rats, agents, factions, nothing, save the tut agent. --No bio (really, 8 months and you put in nothing!?) --Doesn't respond to convos (multiple) --Doesn't respond to bumping --Group of people mining together are the same age, same time in corp --Cookie-cutter team. 5 guys in my corp fly retrievers, and none of us set them up the same. --Stupid names nobody would be stuck with (sklflsy1068) --Acts weird. I've had them eject drones and lock me, then recall drones, keep me locked. Or recall drones after I steal the ore. --Continues to fill jetcan you're stealing from.
I'm not saying that you should steal from anyone who exhibits a few of these signs. Usually I wait until I can confirm most of them.
I also save the ore and give them a couple more chances to prove they're not macros. I don't have my way with the ore until I am absolutely satisfied that they're macros.
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Arcticblue2
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.28 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Pairadocs
Quote: They contribute to ruining the game so they can do thier little ebay and such.
when was the last time you werent able to by a new cruiser or BS cause of a macro miner? when was the last time you went to sell mins and a little message popped up that said "Dear Player, due to the ebil macro miners we are unable to buy your minerals, thank you"
your logic and methods behind what you are doing are completely flawed, yet you have this blind hatered toward anyone in a barge mining to a can that you just go around trying to kill them and feel justified.
tell me this, if you went and blew up a large barge with full tech 2 everything that was mining some ice cause you thought he was a macro miner, then in local you see "WTF I go to get a drink and come back and im in a pod?" Would you be so kind and reimburse the person the 10's of millions that you just cost him because you have this little personal vendetta?
No but it have frequently append that I go out in my barge to the belt to do some mining because I where tired of doing missions, only to find it quite empty, so I move over to the next belt... and the next and only to find out this system have been cleaned out !!!! Okey .. I move to next system... but hey .. it's been cleaned out too... and trust me I have seen that alot.
Oh and if I finally do manage to do some mining I find belts with so small asteroids I end up moving around quite alot... it is very boring to move around in a barge right ?
And second scenario... I want to sell my minerals, only to find out that it was not worth it, all the time I spent out in the belts and moving around to find some asteroids and I get screwed over by the prices. At one point I could sell for example Isogen at 140 isk a unit, now .... 110 isk maybe I have seen prices down to 89 isk a unit even. Trit to less than 2 isk a unit... where I could get almost 3 for it.
So does macromining ruin my experience ???? you bet your ass it does.
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Pairadocs
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Posted - 2006.07.28 09:56:00 -
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Quote: Trit to less than 2 isk a unit... where I could get almost 3 for it.
Oh boo hoo poor you. I remember when trit was barely 1 isk each and iso was like 60-70isk each. Hell I just did a search for trit for whatever region I was in, 2.20 isk for 74mill buy order. Im sorry if you are to lazy to actually move around different regions and shop, staying in 1.0's and crying about no belts to mine is just stupid. Hell I know of plenty of .7's that are untouched for whatever reasons that have huge kernite fields in them. So your point about no belts to mine is just not valid.
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Rykaro
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Posted - 2006.07.28 15:26:00 -
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Surely the original poster (Pratorien) is profiting from the use of a macro, which is against the EULA if I'm not mistaken. Just because he isn't using a macro on his PC is irrelevant here, he's still profiting from the use of a macro by getting the ored that is mined bythe macro. Which is a bannable offence is it not? I mean if a vigilante killed a murderer, would the act not be considered murder as well even though the person killed was just as evil?
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PeeWee Pee
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Posted - 2006.07.29 19:33:00 -
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go look for your own macro miners to steal from dude |
Alvar Ursidae
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.22 08:49:00 -
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Macro miners are tasty, much like chicken.
Stealing their ore is useless, they mine more, and it just shows you as a thief. I have done it, and proudly so.
The real fun, is getting the agro and killing the hauler.
First, you get the agro by taking their ore. In nearly all cases, in low sec, this has lead to the count down timer wearing off, but all i have done to this point, is move the ore to my own can(s). Then I sit there and wait for them to come back and get it.
Then you get the loot, no sec hit, and no concord, the mins as well. Now and then you get to pop a miner itself. I leave the barges, because without them, I don't get to nail the others!
Macro miners do suck the life out of the game, because there are legitimate miners sitting out there actually doing the mining work! These guys don't bother. They setup the scripts, and go ********** into small jars of mice, making them selves feel bigger by how much money they will make from selling the ISK they get from the ore they sell.
I personally think, that when a Macro Miner account is found, instead of closing it, it should be setup so the characters, ALL of them, and ALL characters on every connected account by credit card, should have standings set to concord of 10, and EVERYTHING ELSE to -10.
That way they can fly everywhere without being popped by concord, and they are left for us to harass! We let them mine, then we pop them freely. Then after a while of making less money and losing mack's all the time, they give up, and start again, wasting time and money.
Another way too of finding macro miners - is look at how the belts in a system look, if it's hi sec, and they are dust, good chance MMs in the area. Another thing too, is to look at the corps of the controller pilot. If they dont match, and you see him taking ore from the OTHER noob corp pilot's can, good chance he's ganged the macro as well.
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Valgore Xizor
Minmatar Red Navy Faction Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.22 12:09:00 -
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This post is bad. Last week someone accused me of macro mining because I didnt answer his convo. I was in my barge watching smallvile on my laptop and I had a friend hauling the ore back to the station in his indy. All I was doing was dragging the ore into the tim every 3 mins (I have an alarm set to remind me to do this) and my friend was collecting it.
My hand controlled the mouse and just because I multi task and only look at the screen to shift the ore, I get some moron throwing accusations around!!
People who make these accusations without any proof are retarded. Naming and shaming is one thing if you have facts, dirtying some semi AFK miners name without facts is a crime.
This post needs deleted!
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Miss Overlord
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.22 12:10:00 -
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a) petition first b) CCP allow u to keep the ore that simple
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.09.22 13:14:00 -
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Personally, I prefer to kill macrominers than steal from them. Build yourself one BC or higher with nothing but Cap Batteries and remote reppers on. Wait for a rat to spawn (obviously only works in systems with low enough security to spawn rats). Repair a rat so the macro's defenses (usually drones) cant finish him off. This can easily kill barges, but sometimes struggle to kill mining BS's.
Alternatively, if they're a real simple macro- take the ore out of their can, put it in your own jet can. Rename the can exactly (symbol for symbol) the same name as their (now popped) can was. Witha bit of luck, they'll continue to haul from your can, ignoring the warning signs (being a macro) which allows you to shoot them.
There are other methods, but those 2 are my favourite. Why do I do it? Its a fun way to kill 30 minutes
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Feng Schui
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Posted - 2006.09.22 13:54:00 -
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/me wonders if I'll be able to kill macro-miners from different factions when faction warfare comes out
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Elgar1
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Posted - 2006.09.22 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Elgar1 on 22/09/2006 13:59:03 You know the easiest way to mess up a macro miner?
Drop a few Jet cans next to their miners. When their hauler turns up it's just as likely to access your can instead of theirs. If it does, you can then shoot it. If it doesn't then it will get bugged on the prompt warning it about looting from others cans.
Doing it this way you are stealing nothing from them. Your not breaking any rules and your definately not harrassing them. Only a macro will mistake yoru can for theirs.
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Johan VanDelft
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.23 16:20:00 -
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Some people say that not responding to convo's is a sure sign of a macrominer. It is not. When I am mining (or hauling), I always tick the ignore invitations setting so I won't be bothered or accidentally get myself into a gang with a person that is wardecced.
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zeKzn
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Posted - 2006.09.23 16:54:00 -
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god people whine too much about jetcans being stolen from. does the concept of risk vs reward mean nothing to you? there is a risk to jetcan mining, and there is a reward. if there was no risk then it would have been declared a bug and fixed years ago.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr The Phantom Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.23 17:11:00 -
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Some of them just warp out if you take from their can. They use shuttle scouts to make BMs from thation to belt and back for the haulers. Then hauler takes from your can, docks and just waits out the timer. Then undocks against and starts from the beginning.
I asked earlier to make stealing an act of aggression without concord but that you cant dock or jump for 1-2 minutes to have a chance to pop thiefs that warp away. Probing for them doesnt work due to cloaking.
Dont forget, there is a difference between a farmer, a macro miner and a normal pilot that just mines.
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Six Dikes
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Posted - 2006.09.23 17:14:00 -
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I am a macros minor. the ore of macro instruction is ISK thus I feed probably four real childern. this only work can employ with me thus likes not to steal my food out of box because steals in finally you of the childs of mine pretentiously known as your obese needs for americains to visit my national and to seem how is poor us is shames with you for causes me child to die of hunger.
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EF Hann
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Posted - 2006.09.23 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Six Dikes I am a macros minor. the ore of macro instruction is ISK thus I feed probably four real childern. this only work can employ with me thus likes not to steal my food out of box because steals in finally you of the childs of mine pretentiously known as your obese needs for americains to visit my national and to seem how is poor us is shames with you for causes me child to die of hunger.
That's a very moving testament, Six Dikes. You have changed my opinion. Please post the names of all of your characters and the systems you frequent and I will fly right out there and, er, defend you against these cruel macro-hunters.
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Tate Iceni
Caldari Iceni Combat and Logistical Support
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Posted - 2006.09.23 19:15:00 -
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I seize ore from macro's and farmers fairly regulary. Do I feel bad about it? No. If I took Ore from a player and I was (rightfully) yelled at for it I'd give it back without any argument and quiet a lot of apologies!
Yip, I profit off the farmers/macros. Do I feel bad about that? No, not at all. Stealing is an allowed part of the game, I just happen to be very selective who I steal from. I don't feel bad about killing belt rat's for modules and bounties. So why should I feel bad for taking ore from what may as well be NPC miners?
If CCP somehow waived a magic wand tomorrow and removed farmers and macro'ers from the game then great - I'd be as happy about it as anyone else, until then - I will nick the odd bit of ore from them; which lets face it is going to be a fairly insignificant amount compared to the millions of m3 they must collectively mine each day.
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Rahn Sohwant
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Posted - 2006.09.23 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tate Iceni ...
Yip, I profit off the farmers/macros. Do I feel bad about that? No, not at all. Stealing is an allowed part of the game, I just happen to be very selective who I steal from. I don't feel bad about killing belt rat's for modules and bounties. So why should I feel bad for taking ore from what may as well be NPC miners? ...
Strictly speaking, you're supposed to petition them before you start emptying their cans, otherwise you're profiting from their violation of the rules. If they were really NPC miners, they'd probably be programmed better. A NPC that acted as a perpetual zero-risk isk faucet would be a bug. (I think there might be a thread on that somewhere
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Nalena Arlath
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Posted - 2006.09.23 22:26:00 -
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I agree to just stealing the ore from macro miners.
I'm strongly opposed to any ore thieving from honest miners.
But when it comes to macro miners, letting them just keep their crap up unpunished by either CCP or players, gives them reason to continue what they are doing.
Taking their whole load of ore and selling it for isk to your corp, or just refining it to build something for your corp, yourself, or your friends is a much better way of having the ore "put into the game" than through the macro-miners, who most likely sell their profit off to ISK/Plat-selling sites anyhow.
Macro mining IS a problem as they drive down the prices on ore and minerals, making it less than a little lucrative for honest miners.
Rather see vigilante action against macro'ers than NO action at all.
As was said, ignorance is bliss, and saying people who oppose macro-miners in the only way possible (as CCP wont take action) are par-taking in their macro-mining-cheat thing, well, thats just plain ludicrous, and something that is most likely comming from someone who has a macro-miner char up their own sleeve.
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Roy Batty68
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Posted - 2006.09.23 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Imperial Coercion Hah! The game has gotten its own genuine vigilante!
Charles Bronson couldnt have been prouder!
Cause Charlie Bronson always had rope!!! (obscure The Boondock Saints reference)
This thread reminds me of DAoC and the long period of radar cheaters and the witch hunts that went on during that time. Basically everyone was guilty of radar until proven innocent....
Mining in Eve also reminds me of DAoC. DAoC crafting specifically. It's SO bloody boring that even honest people are tempted to cheat. But that doesn't mean they are. It just means they are normal humans like you and me and have better things to do than watch paint dry.
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Tate Iceni
Caldari Iceni Combat and Logistical Support
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Posted - 2006.09.24 00:52:00 -
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Okay - this is me being a bit cynical about the macro/farmer situation re: petitioning them and then stealing their stuff.
a) Why petition something which is very hard for CCP to *prove* in the case of semi-monitored farmers?
b) I wouldn't petition before stealing ore from another *normal* player - so why would I petition against one that I believe *might be* macro/farmers (I freely admit I have no proof other than them NOT acting like a normal miner would who's cans I'd just emptied; and the previously mentioned items that make a character look suspicious).
I can understand what your saying and prehaps, yes, I should petition them; but CCP struggle to truely prove they're macro's or farmers - so what is the point in me filling up their already busy petition list telling them stuff they already likely know, that they are probably pretty unlikely to be able to do anything about.
I guess at the end of the day I'm just robbing some particulary stupid miners (who may just happen to be farmers/macros) who don't react offensivly or yell at me for taking their ore.
Yes, I'm pretty sure they are what I say they are - but its not like I can prove it beyond speculation in order for it to be worth me petitioning it.
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Tyleritus
adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.24 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kristen Ambrais So lemme get this straight. You've made a bunch of ore thiefs just to steal from their cans.
Taking their ore is just as bad as if you mined that ore yourself.
If he reported them via Harasment petition before he took there ore its legal, this has been stated by CCP.
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Preator Rushview
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.24 02:24:00 -
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I agree with harassing Macroers..
A corp mate and I have been greifing a group of 6 of them in Lonetrek over the last couple of days. All in covertors with strip miners jetcan mining and the one hauler dragging the cans back and forth. Obviously Macroers, all in different n00b corps, all over 12months old, all ignoring convos, all with no bio and all were jetting cans marked '11111111111111111' and '22222222222222222'
Then today they got wise and a Kessie warp into one of the belts they were in and started firing on our Badgers.. looking at his name I instantly recognised it as one of the ISK sellers that spam you evemail boxes.. so I quickly warped to the station and bought a nice cheap disposable cormie... then went about pwning his ass whilst my mate went on collecting the loot.
Just look at the guys name...
Victim: zsdsadasdsa Alliance: NONE Corp: State War Academy Destroyed: Kestrel System: ****** Security: 0.6 Involved parties:
Name: Preator Rushview (laid the final blow) Security: 0.0 Alliance: NONE Corp: State War Academy Ship: Cormorant Weapon: 150mm Carbide Railgun I
All 5 covertors and the hauler promptly warped and logged at the same time.
A few of my mates have petitioned these plenty of times but no good seems to come of it so we decided to take matters into out own hands. We may be in a n00b corp ourselves but we still enjoy the game but just haven't got the skills quite yet to take the fight into 0.0, so Empire is still our backyard. And the pharmers wiping their arse with it.
So here are the name and shames as it will:
Aimee1984 Codezhunter Peterking (The Hauler) Josephine001 Blowupcity Blessing720
Needless to say I made a few mill and I'll go on to making a few mill.
Rush
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr Four Horsemen
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Posted - 2006.09.24 07:26:00 -
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UI recently petitioned a gm saying they have to be banned as i keep petitioning them. My reply was . If you take from the can they can agro you without concord. stealing ores from the macro miner will allow them to prttect thier ores.
If they dont attack you keep taking it.
in other words I been told i can take from macro miners.
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Shardivh
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Posted - 2006.11.27 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: GLok Just casue they found a way to make money faster than you doesnt exactly make them cheaters does it?
I mean how do we know that you dont macro mine with all these accounts you have just made
Just stop complaining and post about something worth reading
I agree. I AM NOT SUPPORTING MACRO MINERS!!!!! However, Its not any of our business if CCP finds these people or not. if they do, YAY! they have helped the community. if they do not find them, then it is not the eve community who should go crying to Mummy and send thousands of petitions, with no hard evidence to support them.For example, I myself mine and do not respond to any convo's or if someone bumpsmeI dont respond to strange convo'sbecause they will most likely be offering me a job on a corp orsomething. Either that or they want a general chat, me, i dont have time 4 that. If CCP and the GM's had thousands less (most of them false) petitions saying "this person is Macro mining im SURE of it!" then they could spend more time finding these people. Bottom Line YOU ARE NOT THE EVE ONLINE POLICE! CCP IS!!! If someone can make money and not get caught, than that is what they do. If they get caught, then sucks to be them!!! BAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!
Also, stealing from the macro miners is just as bad as macro mining, because you are still ruining the economy, and not being "Noble" as you might think. And that stupid reference to "Robin Hood" earlier in this forum was ridiculous!!! If you steal from the macro miners, then sell the ore forisk, Why are you not the same as them??? It is not better than letting them sell it on ebay or on the EVE economy, because you are doing the same. Let CCP deal with this problem and get on with playing. Dont flood them with petitions.
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Rooker
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Posted - 2006.11.27 17:47:00 -
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Thread hijacking ftw
I've gone after macros a few times myself. I even tried to suicide one (didn't work out so well). It is easy to spot a macro and tell it from an AFK miner. This is one of those things where you have to actually do it a few times to understand. Plus there are several "gangs" of macros that are pretty well known in macrointel. I've never taken ore from an actual player and if I ever do it accidently, I'd apologize and jet it next to them.
As has been mentioned, as long as you fire off a petition first, you're fine if you steal the ore/ice. "Hi, I think [persons] in [system] are using macros to mine, because they are [reason 1], [reason 2], [etc]. I plan to take their ore from them, unless someone tells me not to do it.".
Wait 5 minutes and you'll get a canned response and you're all set. On (very) rare occasions a GM shows up and the macros all mysteriously disappear.
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Xamys
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Posted - 2006.11.27 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Pratorien I've seen other macro miners and liberated ore from them but wasn't taking down names at the time. Usually you can spot them by the name if they have numbers in them or the way they name thier cans.
If you just watch for abit you can tell without a doubt who a macro miner is. The way cans are named are a big give away as a few in my above list have normal names.
And I agree, if a player says something to me I do a refund if I judged wrong but has yet to happen. Pretty good about spotting thenm. I send numerous petitions and than start the liberation.
Don;t feel bad from taking froma cheater. They contribute to ruining the game so they can do thier little ebay and such. F them and anyone else who is in with them.
CCP DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT ALREADY !!!!!!!!!!
I've seen something about MinerX 4.03 which is some macro program out there that most use... A simple google search for "EVE Macro Mining" will give it out on the first result, so don't ***** at me for giving it out here, anyone can... That said, that macro program doesn't use cans at all, it's much worse... it warps/docks to stations of your choice and transfer the ore in the hangar, then warps back to the belt (can be random belts too) and resume its mining.
I wish EVE had something like punkbuster to protect against those, which would really be easy... but CCP teaming up with a Texan company, no chance lol.
Either way, yes macro miners suck... Can you do something about them? Sure, give out their names through petitions and let CCP dealing with em, just don't forget to give their location and the time you saw them. If you can steal from their cans (for the few that use them) then do so! They deserve it. Now, before you start accusing people from macro mining though, try talking to them in local if they are rejecting chats, and see if they reply. Target them to get their attention etc... If you get no response, then they me be using macros or are just plain rude.
That's my POV on this...
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Soulita
Gallente Inner Core
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Posted - 2006.11.27 22:13:00 -
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People annoyed with macros can join the ingame chat channel 'MACROINTEL'. Macrokillers hang out there.
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Alex Cabot
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Posted - 2007.05.01 21:00:00 -
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CCP WILL NEVER GET RID OF MACRO MINERS! For every macro miner CCP bans, that is $180.00 per year they lose. Banning 20 Macro Miners would cost CCP $3588.00 in anual revenue. Pretty sad reality. The only way CCP will take care of Macro Miners is if legitimate players close their accounts.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.01 22:45:00 -
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BRAVE NECRO ALEX ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
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