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Pratorien
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Posted - 2006.05.13 14:55:00 -
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Since CCP will do nothing to stop these cheaters. I've made a few mining alts to liberate all this illegal ore !!
I'd like you all to post known macro miners so the people who make a good amount of ore off them knows who to look for with the locator agents.
I can;t stand cheaters and idiots who have to use means to have an edge when its unfair. I've made a killing the last 3 days off macro miners, so it is nice :)
hurley 0 - covetor Luer 3 - covetor wind123 - barge casual - covetor SweetLittleGirl - covetor music se - covetor Mormor - Hauler Telvstar - osprey pad5cat - osprey
Post away !!
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Kristen Ambrais
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Posted - 2006.05.13 15:02:00 -
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So lemme get this straight. You've made a bunch of ore thiefs just to steal from their cans.
Taking their ore is just as bad as if you mined that ore yourself.
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Da Death
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Posted - 2006.05.13 15:05:00 -
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of coz some wanna be robin hood who has nothing more to do then to catch 'the bad ore thief' hahaha
man, using an alt to post this is weak
Absolution - Curse - T2 Laser Crystals - T2 Drones and more -> check Bio
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Pratorien
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Posted - 2006.05.13 15:08:00 -
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So both of you agree with macro mining? I reckon you 2 probably run a few macro accounts yourselves right?
Pathetic.
I don't steal ore but I sure liberate it from cheaters :)
Ignorance is bliss is it not?
Cheaters are cheaters.. I can't see why you have any sympathy for them unless yourself is one /shrug
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Pooka
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Posted - 2006.05.13 15:11:00 -
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And you know they are macro minners because??
Proud memmber of the 3
Word: p·ca (POO-kuh) [pu:k@] Meaning: p·ca = goblin, sprite, pooka
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Raven Aure
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Posted - 2006.05.13 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Pratorien So both of you agree with macro mining? I reckon you 2 probably run a few macro accounts yourselves right?
Pathetic.
I don't steal ore but I sure liberate it from cheaters :)
Ignorance is bliss is it not?
Cheaters are cheaters.. I can't see why you have any sympathy for them unless yourself is one /shrug
I still maintain that it's possible to make a large amount of money through macro miners, without stealing their ore or firing a shot. ______________________
Originally by: Jim McGregor Most people are in write-mode only in these forums
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Pratorien
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Posted - 2006.05.13 15:21:00 -
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I wish CCP would actually do something about it but alas.... they won;t.
On the bright side.. it's like your own personal mining op. Find a group of macro miners in covetors and you make a killing off them. Do I feel bad? No nto at all. They want to cheat, I have np being Robin Hood.
Now if it's a real person than no I would never touch it. I've never stolen ore but I darn well liberate it from cheaters :)
But yeah like the above poster... macro miners will fill your bank real quick :) I made opver 14 hauls of 9800 space yesterday off a crew of them. They don't speak they don;t move.. the cans keep being jetted and refilled. My own mining op lol
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Maximillian Demesne
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Posted - 2006.05.13 15:26:00 -
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I would be interested to know how to profit from these game-ruiners w/o stealing or destroying them. I`m not being smug- I am pretty new, and I`d like to know.
I myself have looted macro and farmer ore cans. Twice I have been less than exacting and looted a player. In both cases an explanation and repayment in full+ have saved my reputation.Both of my new chums were also haters/looters of mm`s.
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Hando Gin
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Posted - 2006.05.13 15:27:00 -
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it players like you that make me sick , im an honest miner with 2 accounts , 1 for mining and one for hauling , and im sick to death of idiot gankers like you trying to steal my ore and gank me , does having 2 accounts make me a macro miner even though im constantly at the controls , i think not
if you know someones a macro miner then all power to your elbow , but you guys target honest miners far too often
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Operator DanO
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Posted - 2006.05.13 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Pratorien I wish CCP would actually do something about it but alas.... they won;t.
Stick it to em......
They deserve it
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Dave White
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Posted - 2006.05.13 15:30:00 -
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ohhh! i saw you macro mining! I'm going to tell on you!!
*Mommy! Mommy*!
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Pratorien
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Posted - 2006.05.13 15:30:00 -
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I've seen other macro miners and liberated ore from them but wasn't taking down names at the time. Usually you can spot them by the name if they have numbers in them or the way they name thier cans.
If you just watch for abit you can tell without a doubt who a macro miner is. The way cans are named are a big give away as a few in my above list have normal names.
And I agree, if a player says something to me I do a refund if I judged wrong but has yet to happen. Pretty good about spotting thenm. I send numerous petitions and than start the liberation.
Don;t feel bad from taking froma cheater. They contribute to ruining the game so they can do thier little ebay and such. F them and anyone else who is in with them.
CCP DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT ALREADY !!!!!!!!!!
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Da Death
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Posted - 2006.05.13 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Pratorien So both of you agree with macro mining? I reckon you 2 probably run a few macro accounts yourselves right?
Pathetic.
I don't steal ore but I sure liberate it from cheaters :)
Ignorance is bliss is it not?
Cheaters are cheaters.. I can't see why you have any sympathy for them unless yourself is one /shrug
u fool, hiding behind an alt and having an big mouth, hahaha. I not mine at all, I got more money then macro miner, why dont u join the local police force which would make more sense
Absolution - Curse - T2 Laser Crystals - T2 Drones and more -> check Bio
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Splagada
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Posted - 2006.05.13 15:31:00 -
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dealing with macro miners is surely not in players ability.... CCP has to do something for that, not us... -
Member of [AAST] 400x90 ok?
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VinLieger
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Posted - 2006.05.13 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kristen Ambrais So lemme get this straight. You've made a bunch of ore thiefs just to steal from their cans.
Taking their ore is just as bad as if you mined that ore yourself.
Taking there ore is no where near as bad as them. They mine ore then sell it for isk then sell the isk on e-bay. I however sell the ore and use the isk to buy ships weapons ore build stuff with it I am not destrying the economy im putting the ore and isk staright back into the game i am doing exactly the same thing as a normal ore thief the only difference between me and a normal ore thief is i only steal from macroers. Now how do i know they are macroers? I convo them repeatedly asking to chat in local and private chats i bump them and target them if by that stage i get no rection i take their ore and i think most will agree if they havent reacted by this stage its safe to say they are macroing. Also i never steal from someone unless they are in a noob corp and have a messed up name like DFHG or some nonsense. Now to add a few names there is a guy whos main is called maker he has numerous alts operating in the Genesis region and you can spot them cus the names are all like maker120 maker005 maker008 etc
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Tranquilex
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Posted - 2006.05.13 15:33:00 -
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dont fly off the handle with presumptions bro...
ive never whacked a miner, or anyone else for that matter, but a MACRO miner (assuming u know what that is) is a cheat, he/she is using an external program to play eve for them. and they are very easy to spot... for one thing the dont respond to talk or any form of communication
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Aetiius
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Posted - 2006.05.13 15:35:00 -
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/agree
Macro miners need to be banned !!
You can find most in high sec area's like 09 and 10. SOmetimes in the 5-7's.
I have no problems taking the ore from a macro miner.
You see alot in the Citadel and Caldari regions as they go for the pyro.
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Da Death
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Posted - 2006.05.13 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Da Death on 13/05/2006 15:37:20
Originally by: Pratorien I've seen other macro miners and liberated ore from them but wasn't taking down names at the time. Usually you can spot them by the name if they have numbers in them or the way they name thier cans.
If you just watch for abit you can tell without a doubt who a macro miner is. The way cans are named are a big give away as a few in my above list have normal names.
And I agree, if a player says something to me I do a refund if I judged wrong but has yet to happen. Pretty good about spotting thenm. I send numerous petitions and than start the liberation.
Don;t feel bad from taking froma cheater. They contribute to ruining the game so they can do thier little ebay and such. F them and anyone else who is in with them.
CCP DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT ALREADY !!!!!!!!!!
I can give you the phone number of 'HELP ME NOW'
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Pratorien
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Posted - 2006.05.13 15:37:00 -
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Da Death is really into defending macro miners lol
Macro mine much? :)
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Da Death
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Posted - 2006.05.13 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Pratorien Da Death is really into defending macro miners lol
Macro mine much? :)
can't read eh?
Absolution - Curse - T2 Laser Crystals - T2 Drones and more -> check Bio
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Marvel Master
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Posted - 2006.05.13 15:39:00 -
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Hi,
some month ago i read from infos about a special macro miner channel. In this channel are the people how hunt them down.
Exsits there a website with the names of macro miners?
Marvel
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Krumpit
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Posted - 2006.05.13 18:48:00 -
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The channel is "macrointel" - all welcome.
The killboard is a handy resource to see the kinds of names and ships the farmers fly.
http://www.notpunkrock.com/killboard/
It just reached 2500 kills total, (although as you can see the first one on the front page is someone who got a bit confused since it's dated in the future).
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Selfe
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Posted - 2006.05.13 19:04:00 -
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kfgmin1 - Thank you for your 200 units of ICE ______________________
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Aetiius
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Posted - 2006.05.13 20:58:00 -
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ICE... didn't think of checkin ice systems for em :)
Add the following to the list.
Guan243 Pangods Mazigai
On a side note. Casual finally convo'd me after 2 days. Guessing he is one of those asian money farmers as it was some sort of language I have never seen. Online translators couldn't tell me anything.
Oh well it's my mining op now not his. I could care less if I am hurting his ebay profits :)
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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.05.13 21:02:00 -
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add to the list me while your at it because i have 2 accounts its only macro mining if there using macro's idiot, some of those names dont even sound like macro miners there usually stupid names that are very similar. ejeje10 ,ejehvk ,ehebf etc
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Naleb Cilani
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Posted - 2006.05.13 21:16:00 -
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lol anyone with a late-era-AOL-sounding user name look out!
Quote: if the repeatedly stated (not by players mind you) rules of the game don't agree with your "vision" of what this game ought to be... get lost.
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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.05.13 22:34:00 -
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ahahahahahha i just got a nice abusive email from AETIIUS because of what i said in this thread
mail me with your main bigman or go steal ore with your alt using macro miners as an excuse.
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CaptainSeafort
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Posted - 2006.05.14 00:29:00 -
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may i point out that taking a macroers ore WITHOUT NOTIFYING VIA PETITION FIRST, AND WAITING FOR REPLY implcaites you as a macro miner too, and you may get banned. petition, or be warned =P
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Gretek Lal
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Posted - 2006.05.14 00:44:00 -
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I'm against macro miners and other cheaters, and I think it's great that some players are taking action against them...
But it's a little weird that someone has enough game time to spend doing something like hunting down and punishing cheaters instead of just doing his own thing. Me, I don't have nearly enough free time to play Eve.
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Imperial Coercion
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Posted - 2006.05.14 00:48:00 -
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Hah! The game has gotten its own genuine vigilante!
Charles Bronson couldnt have been prouder!
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Captain Budwieser
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Posted - 2006.05.14 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Budwieser on 14/05/2006 01:07:12
Quote: may i point out that taking a macroers ore WITHOUT NOTIFYING VIA PETITION FIRST, AND WAITING FOR REPLY implcaites you as a macro miner too, and you may get banned. petition, or be warned =P
how can you get banned for taking ore from anybody ? ore theft is part of the game as designed by CCP, its not your fault if you mistakenly take from somebody that might possibly be macro mining...
and there in lies the problem with this list, that without getting access to somebodys PC and spotting the macro running you cant actually tell one way or the other, you can only guess
i wonder really how many of these "macros" there really are, it likely that they are reasonably few and limited to lazy people with a couple of accounts the real problem in the game are people that get payed to mine for the express purpose of e-bay sale isk and they are not "macro miners" because if you provoke them long enough they will gabble at you in pictograms or bad English (altho often as not they are incapable of speaking to you in any way you can understand and so wont reply to convos unless you really make a disruption in their op,which you stealing for an hour or 2 isnt) and as far as i can tell they arnt actually breaking any rules by controlling 10 accounts at once
the only actually rule broken is by the person that actually sell the isk and often as not that person probably doesnt even play the game
how do i know this? i had a long chat via google translator with a chinese person that claimed to be a 19 year old girl who played 12 hours a day 6 days a week in return for lodgings she controled 4 med barges and a hauler on 1 PC in a room full of people doing the same thing in shifts
there was no macro involved
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Da Death
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Posted - 2006.05.14 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gretek Lal I'm against macro miners and other cheaters, and I think it's great that some players are taking action against them...
But it's a little weird that someone has enough game time to spend doing something like hunting down and punishing cheaters instead of just doing his own thing. Me, I don't have nearly enough free time to play Eve.
it has psychological origins, its some kind of compensation and of course its hunting too, even it won't get you anything. I would call them sympathy hunters. Many years I see those folks 'declaring war on cheaters' -its amusing. And if 'anyone' not psychotic like them, then 'you must be a macro miner tooo!!!' attitude starts up.
As I said: people paying money to hunt macro miners, its amusing LOL
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Diemex
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Posted - 2006.05.14 01:59:00 -
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You could get banned.
This is how. CCP gets a petition from someone sometime... they decide to look into it. They find the macrominer.... and there YOU are hauling the ore out. They could just assume that YOU are part of the macro team doing the hauling for the miners.
If you do a petition.... then they know you are just there making some quick cash off them and you should be safe.
I've yet to spot a macro miner.... I hope I do though... I got me a bestower that can haul 12000 M3 and I could sure use some quick easy isk.... I would feel good about it too knowing that at the same time I am reducing the profits of those who harm the eve community by ruining the economy. If enough people do it so that it becomes prohibitively expensive.... they will just vanish...
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Da Death
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Posted - 2006.05.14 02:00:00 -
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Edited by: Da Death on 14/05/2006 02:04:50
Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui ahahahahahha i just got a nice abusive email from AETIIUS because of what i said in this thread
mail me with your main bigman or go steal ore with your alt using macro miners as an excuse.
interesting! I received hatemail from him too. He had no arguments, so he started to get personal. as I already said, if your not 'hardcore psychotic' like those psychos they alienate you
CCP should take all time to fix the bugs/problems of server instead get flooded with macro petitions. Macro mining is wrong but getting crazy about it, is wrong too.
Absolution - Curse - T2 Laser Crystals - T2 Drones and more -> check Bio
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Captain Budwieser
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Posted - 2006.05.14 02:07:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Budwieser on 14/05/2006 02:11:19
Quote: This is how. CCP gets a petition from someone sometime... they decide to look into it. They find the macrominer.... and there YOU are hauling the ore out. They could just assume that YOU are part of the macro team doing the hauling for the miners.
and you say ah but look at the ips that connect to those accounts and CCP will (hopefully) and it will be clear there is no link between you and the supposed macro
Kinda obvious when you have a group of accounts all from 1 place and theres you from somewhere else that there is no link
Quote: If you do a petition.... then they know you are just there making some quick cash off them and you should be safe
Petition them for what? did you macro detector start beeping? can you see what that other player is doing? no you can only guess and i really dont think its anybodys place to start shouting macro when they dont have a clue what they are on about Im quite happy to steal from people that i feel have too many barges and too much isk and wont notice a little bit missing How am i sposed to know they arent legit players ? CCP themselves obviously cant easily proove it or they would be banned right ?
I dont think anybody would get banned fro stealing from a macro ,as i find it most unlikely CCP would punish an innocent player for simply playing the game as intended that was unfortunate enough to fall victim to somebody that isnt
Its been discussed to death and ore theft is allowed, you arnt required to do a macro check first
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Anatoray
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Posted - 2006.05.14 02:21:00 -
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Hey, I'm all against ganking macro miners, so long as my corp out on a mining run isn't mistaken for one.
But to be honest, if you really wanna do something about it, make an alt, and go sign up with kfcc. that ****es off the macro miners no end, when they check their pc, and all their miners are dead.
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CynWulf
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Posted - 2006.05.14 03:34:00 -
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to all you nay sayers. Ive worked with Pratorean in our system. He is an avid manufacturer, miner and trader. I've also been on macro hunt with him. this may be an Alt but it's an active alt and I'm sure that Preatorion has no problem telling folks who his other toons are. I myself have actually started a wiki project on my own server were folks can go and update the names and locations of Macros and isk farmers. Frankly I'm tired of seeing systems raped by these guys... makes it hard to produce anything when you can mine anything... and if you know anything about economics then you see how this affests the ingame Economy. so to those of you who are busting his balls think before you speak... those that support his efforts good for you... and as my wife says.. If ya dont have anything nice to say.... Come sit by me. Praetorian check your eve mail bud.
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macrokiller99a
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Posted - 2006.05.14 04:14:00 -
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Die Macros. Die!!!!
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.05.14 08:30:00 -
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wel petition ones u think look suss if CCP have a few petitions from u they are less likley to group u with the macroers
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Laulosiak
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Posted - 2006.05.14 08:47:00 -
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i occationally go mine omber in .6 space so i can come here & troll the forums or take a cat nap its hard to accept messages when you cant see the screen
so there no absolute way to tell if there macro mining? the CSR's in SWG could come & check out another player & see if there cheating (sploting) or using a macro in places they are not allowed (DWB coal bins) we dont have them in EvE???
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Sharon Lynn
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Posted - 2006.05.14 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Da Death Edited by: Da Death on 14/05/2006 02:04:50
Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui ahahahahahha i just got a nice abusive email from AETIIUS because of what i said in this thread
mail me with your main bigman or go steal ore with your alt using macro miners as an excuse.
interesting! I received hatemail from him too. He had no arguments, so he started to get personal. as I already said, if your not 'hardcore psychotic' like those psychos they alienate you
Maybe you should petition him, dunno if it would help
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Laulosiak
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Posted - 2006.05.14 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Laulosiak i occationally go mine omber in .6 space so i can come here & troll the forums or take a cat nap its hard to accept messages when you cant see the screen
so there no absolute way to tell if there macro mining? the CSR's in SWG could come & check out another player & see if there cheating (sploting) or using a macro in places they are not allowed (DWB coal bins) we dont have them in EvE???
i know there has to be cuz the have moderators for the forums....how lame.
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Aetiius
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Posted - 2006.05.14 11:34:00 -
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Pratorien is my alt. Not the other guy you mentioned named .. Praetorien>
On a side note I created a kessie death squad with noob chars to kill some macro miners today. I am also hoping some of those idiots do not have up to date clones !!
Anyone interested in making a kessie death squad char send me an evemail and you can join up with me. I have a huge list of macro miners in covetors so should atleast make up your money for the kessie death :) Most of the miners are in citadel region if that helps.
If you support macro mining.. tsk tsk you are as pathetic as them
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ObiDoom Kenobi
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Posted - 2006.05.14 12:08:00 -
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I'm as against Macro Miners as much as the next guy, but I'm also against this stealing from Macro Miners thing too. If it's wrong for them to profit from Macro Mining then why is it ok for you to? Unless you're trashing the minerals you steal I say that it's still profiting from cheating and no better.
Blowing them out of the sky on the other hand sounds perfectly reasonable to me. No reason why you can't punish them by ending their illegal mining op, but just sponging off a cheater isn't any better then actually being a cheater.
--EVE Online, for people that love sci-fi, but don't want Lucas screwing it up... |
Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.05.14 12:09:00 -
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Bland Inquisitor
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Posted - 2006.05.14 12:09:00 -
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Stealing from macrominers doesnt make u any better off - You are still stealing, i.e a thief, th only way u would make a diffrence is to blow the ore up, so put it in your can and kill it, making sure the ore cannot be used to do anything with.
I have seen many a person in local attempt to justify stealing ore from so called *macroers* as i have no doubt yours are correct aswell. But if you steal it. You are the same and as bad as they and deserve 0 respect from the eve community.
Just my two sence
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GLok
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Posted - 2006.05.14 12:15:00 -
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Just casue they found a way to make money faster than you doesnt exactly make them cheaters does it?
I mean how do we know that you dont macro mine with all these accounts you have just made
Just stop complaining and post about something worth reading --------------------
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M4RY J4NE
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Posted - 2006.05.14 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kristen Ambrais So lemme get this straight. You've made a bunch of ore thiefs just to steal from their cans.
Taking their ore is just as bad as if you mined that ore yourself.
lots of people will probably say this so just answering this one post could save a lot of time:
[a] If its in a JETTISON CAN explain to me how its theft? [b] If the ore goes into a players wallet rather than out of the game and onto ebay explain to me how thats bad? [c] If CCP are slow to respond explain your solution to stop the miners profiting in the mean time.
keep on stealing that ore OP, just make sure you petition them as thieves at the same time then everyones happy
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ObiDoom Kenobi
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Posted - 2006.05.14 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: M4RY J4NE
[a] If its in a JETTISON CAN explain to me how its theft? [b] If the ore goes into a players wallet rather than out of the game and onto ebay explain to me how thats bad? [c] If CCP are slow to respond explain your solution to stop the miners profiting in the mean time.
A) That's the definition of theft, which is why there are aggression countdowns and the like. That's like saying that if you break into someone's car and steal their radio it isn't theft because they weren't in it at the time. B) First, if macro mining is cheating (which it is) then anyone who profits from it is cheating, period end of story. If you're goal is to punish macro miners then blow them up or destroy the minerals they mine. Instead people are stealing the minerals and keeping them, which isn't nearly as noble as they're claiming. It's merely benefiting from cheating second hand, and it's just as bad. Second, how does everyone know that the macro miner intends to sell something on Ebay? It's my understanding that most of the ebay sellers are shops set up to do farming 24/7 and not individual players that are macro mining (although I suppose there could be exceptions). If you look on Ebay there are tons of people selling macro miners there to individuals. Most likely if you're stealing from a macro miner you're stealing from someone that was going to use the minerals to build something, or use the ISK to buy something. C) Don't try to do CCP's work for them. It isn't your job to police the game and steal from cheaters. You're "solution" isn't a solution at all, it merely sets it up so that more people are benefitting from cheating, not less. If CCP viewed this as a priority and something that was threatening the game they would find a way to fix it. But the reality is that 6 months ago 20k concurrent users was a record and now it's normal, so the game seems to be doing just fine without your help.
--EVE Online, for people that love sci-fi, but don't want Lucas screwing it up... |
M4RY J4NE
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Posted - 2006.05.14 16:37:00 -
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I appreciate your opinion, but would retort:
Originally by: ObiDoom Kenobi
A) That's the definition of theft, which is why there are aggression countdowns and the like. That's like saying that if you break into someone's car and steal their radio it isn't theft because they weren't in it at the time.
er no actually its like saying that someone has thrown a can of drink out of their car and then you have taken it. Jettison = trash = fair game. Thats why there are secure containers and afaik the criminal flagging was implemented primarily to stop whiners whining.
Originally by: ObiDoom Kenobi
B) First, if macro mining is cheating (which it is) then anyone who profits from it is cheating, period end of story. If you're goal is to punish macro miners then blow them up or destroy the minerals they mine. Instead people are stealing the minerals and keeping them, which isn't nearly as noble as they're claiming. It's merely benefiting from cheating second hand, and it's just as bad.
very black and white view you have there. If the alternatives are [1] let them keep the ore, or [2] you take the ore, which would you do then? Bear in mind most of this goes on in empire so unless you are lucky enough to happen across a drone-n00b-macrominer you are going to get concorded for blowing up the can. So: [1] or [2]?
Originally by: ObiDoom Kenobi
Don't try to do CCP's work for them. It isn't your job to police the game and steal from cheaters
I dont recall saying that was the intention, nor did the OP afaik. Also that only makes sense if you consider taking jettisoned items stealing. Since I dont im just stealing from an easy target. If it happens to **** em off enough that they go ruin someone elses game then thats even better.
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.05.14 17:11:00 -
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I used to do some mining and producing but stopped because the systems well region infact where filled with macroes, I know they where after we tested them alot.
Yet even when we did send petitions after petitions they still roam around... one called Minerking01 (think it was got like 3 characters with same nick different number) still logs on and off from time to time. that means ... every day.
This character have been petitioned countless times. And yes I know it is a macrominer, no miner would let me steal 110 000 isogen from them without saying anything. That was from a single evening.
I also used to hunt them but honestly ... it just ruins my game so I stopped and so did most of the guys in my corp and we all do missions now.
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Khemul Zula
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Posted - 2006.05.14 23:37:00 -
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I used to play around with this whole macro hunting thing. Course I am a thief. I will steal if the opportunity appears. Never thought much of the people who justify thievery by saying they are stealing from cheaters so it is different. Just admit you are a thief.
My main problem with macro hunting is the people who do it arn't nearly as carefull as they believe they are. Many go with the attitude that if its looks like a macro it is a macro. I quit the hunting after the third time argueing that a group looked A LOT like a macro op but obviously wasn't. Each time they had names that looked similar and none of them responded to chat, while mining. Catch them while they are not mining and they talked plenty. Each time I was told "Well they must be farmers so they are fair game." People just use "macro" as an excuse to kill or steal too much. I know there are plenty of people who think they are careful and KNOW the person is a macro, but it just becomes so easy for the hunter to justify any action by claiming "macro."
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ObiDoom Kenobi
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Posted - 2006.05.15 10:18:00 -
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Bottom line is this:
If you loot the cans and destroy the minerals then you truly care about what macro miners do to the economy and you're motivated by the desire to set things right.
If you loot the cans and keep the minerals then you aren't motivated by the desire to set things right but instead your motivation is greed and finding an easy mark. If you knowingly steal from macro miners then you are knowingly using minerals that were earned by cheating and that makes you a cheater.
Rationalize it however you want, but at the end of the day you're profiting from cheating...
--EVE Online, for people that love sci-fi, but don't want Lucas screwing it up... |
Captain Budwieser
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Posted - 2006.05.15 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Budwieser on 15/05/2006 11:02:04
Quote: i occationally go mine omber in .6 space so i can come here & troll the forums or take a cat nap its hard to accept messages when you cant see the screen
so there no absolute way to tell if there macro mining? the CSR's in SWG could come & check out another player & see if there cheating (sploting) or using a macro in places they are not allowed (DWB coal bins) we dont have them in EvE???
ok im just making this up as i go along, i havent read the EULA and im probably wrong..... but
as far as i am aware the only way to 100% prove use of any sort external program to automate tasks in eve would be to scan the hard drive (or possibly memory) of the player involved, much like anti cheats used to in the fps game Halflife I think its fairly unlikely that there is any part of the EULA that says you allow CCP to do this, in HL they got round it by telling you to disconnect from the server if you didnt like it or somesuch but it was a flawed system anyway sinse there were ways of hiding cheats from this hd scan For all those people that are on the macro witch hunt and saying CCP should do something about it, thats what your talking about... giving access to your pc, something that i wouldnt be all that happy about and by no means foolproof anyway If they were doing that in SWG they were either guessing or gaining physical proof somehow and if you guess and the player says "wtf i didnt do anything omg your wrong you banned me blah blah blah" what can you say ? in a game where you pay a sub you must be able to prove that cheating actually happened , this imo is probably why CCP wisely leaves well alone
i dont think macros are a huge problem and if you steal from them for any length of time you get an idea of how much they are actually making mining in empire, and stealing from them is almost as boring as actually mining for yourself so i doubt anybody made a career from it
Forget about the possible macros and stealing from them, there ar emuch faster ways of making isk for yourself and when your rich you migth find you simply dont care anymore
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tuade
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Posted - 2006.05.15 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: tuade on 15/05/2006 11:53:58
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Martin Gore
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Posted - 2006.05.15 17:52:00 -
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Well I reported 6 guys still macro mining/farming 23hrs a day (yes I know this as I've been logging them).
I convoed each one of them...took 4 mins to get an answer, all they could say was "hi" then warp to station.
THey allways jettison a can caleed a random number say "222262726627" with a bookmark in it (sure sign of macro the bm in a can)
If you take the bm a new can gets put out instantly. It's nearly impossible to take ice from can as it's inhumanly taken the millesecond it goes into can by the hauler.
This is in the jita ice belts. All characters begin with "FEIN********" totally obvious.
The GM said he will look into this, will be interesting to see how long it takes if at all the are banned.
My guess is they wont.
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Hurada
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Posted - 2006.05.15 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Hurada on 15/05/2006 18:13:18 Edited by: Hurada on 15/05/2006 18:12:20 Well, I sent my list of suspected macroers to CCP. Maybe if they get enough fingers pointed at the same characters then they'll have a look. And I admit I cannot be sure about all of them. I dont think we can expect CCP to slap bans on everyone thats reported for it.
Damage to EVEs economy is obviously the worst outcome of macroers but I dont think it has got that far yet. The main problem I see is that they strip the belts in high sec leaving no goodies for the real miners. Last time I tried to mine (allbeit solo) in high sec it simply wasnt worth the trouble. (Sec cans cruiser mining in .5)
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Martin Gore
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Posted - 2006.05.15 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: Martin Gore on 15/05/2006 18:16:03 feihustar, feilongstar, feilionstar, feiwolfstar,feimaster, and the hauler "ty008"
I've been bouncing these guys 30k from their can. For ages. The hauler STILL comes to pick up ore even though there is none!!! No reaction at all from barges all covetors. If ccp can't see that this isn't macroing/farming then there is no hope
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Hurada
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Posted - 2006.05.15 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Budwieser
ok im just making this up as i go along, i havent read the EULA and im probably wrong..... but
as far as i am aware the only way to 100% prove use of any sort external program to automate tasks in eve would be to scan the hard drive (or possibly memory) of the player involved, much like anti cheats used to in the fps game Halflife I think its fairly unlikely that there is any part of the EULA that says you allow CCP to do this, in HL they got round it by telling you to disconnect from the server if you didnt like it or somesuch but it was a flawed system anyway sinse there were ways of hiding cheats from this hd scan For all those people that are on the macro witch hunt and saying CCP should do something about it, thats what your talking about... giving access to your pc, something that i wouldnt be all that happy about and by no means foolproof anyway If they were doing that in SWG they were either guessing or gaining physical proof somehow and if you guess and the player says "wtf i didnt do anything omg your wrong you banned me blah blah blah" what can you say ? in a game where you pay a sub you must be able to prove that cheating actually happened , this imo is probably why CCP wisely leaves well alone
EULA Linkage
Originally by: EULA
ii. Termination of EULA *snipped 1-3* (iv) CCP becomes aware of game play, chat or player activity under your Account that is, in CCP's discretion, inappropriate or in violation of the Rules of Conduct.*snip*
The rules of conduct I presume says no macroing, suggesting they dont need proof. However not all EULAs stand up in court.
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2006.05.15 18:32:00 -
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berak falcheran is a GIANT macrominer.
i think he pirates with macro's too. and i saw his alt running missions (macro!? i thik!@#).
YOU LOVE THE BLINKING
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Churny
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Posted - 2006.05.15 18:34:00 -
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I used to have a job, but they replaced me with a macro.
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Dolly Parton
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Posted - 2006.05.15 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Pooka
And you know they are macro minners because??
there macroers when you see 2 or more sitting there mining. there names are like this
Pooka23 Pooka24 Pooka26
also
they don't answer messages when sent
and
when you take there ore and put it into another can or ahul it away and their still there when you get back or 10 minutes later and their still mining and your still stealing
hmm
i am a jack of all trades and i would notice if someone came along and tried to steal my ore. if that situation did a rise thats what my alt and corp mates are for.
bye bye
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Captain Budwieser
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Posted - 2006.05.15 22:28:00 -
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Quote: The rules of conduct I presume says no macroing, suggesting they dont need proof. However not all EULAs stand up in court.
they have been judged lawfully meaningless in a few places, im not sure about the EUs stance on this but i imagine a good knowlage of law would allow you to pick holes in most EULAs
I wish you hadnt linked it now cause after reading that i have the urge (im resisting ) to post whining about it
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Svetlana Scarlet
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Posted - 2006.05.16 00:00:00 -
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Those of you with 2 accounts so you can mine with one and haul with the other shouldn't be too worried about being called a macrominer/ore farmer. Generally, there's at least three and as many as a half dozen or more miners, and one hauler. -- CAPT Svetlana Scarlet Chief of Diplomatic Staff Captain, CNS Shield of Larani Caldari Independent Navy Reserve |
Taketa De
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Posted - 2006.05.16 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Budwieser
Quote: The rules of conduct I presume says no macroing, suggesting they dont need proof. However not all EULAs stand up in court.
they have been judged lawfully meaningless in a few places, im not sure about the EUs stance on this but i imagine a good knowlage of law would allow you to pick holes in most EULAs
I wish you hadnt linked it now cause after reading that i have the urge (im resisting ) to post whining about it
Since they can ban you on a whim anytime they choose the EULA is there to lay the ground rules of what you should or shouldn't do.
You can't get sued or anything for breaking it = it's not against the law. You can get kicked out of EVE however if you do stuff you shouldn't according to the EULA. --- The Advanced Drone Control Panel. |
Schneuzelchen
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Posted - 2006.05.24 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Pratorien Since CCP will do nothing to stop these cheaters. I've made a few mining alts to liberate all this illegal ore !!
I'd like you all to post known macro miners so the people who make a good amount of ore off them knows who to look for with the locator agents.
I can;t stand cheaters and idiots who have to use means to have an edge when its unfair. I've made a killing the last 3 days off macro miners, so it is nice :)
hurley 0 - covetor Luer 3 - covetor wind123 - barge casual - covetor SweetLittleGirl - covetor music se - covetor Mormor - Hauler Telvstar - osprey pad5cat - osprey
Post away !!
I have some macro miners in Tennen
Vaguebi - Hauler
sopuya - osprey getono - osprey lopufu - osprey lusofa - osprey
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Valkazm
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Posted - 2006.05.24 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Pratorien I wish CCP would actually do something about it but alas.... they won;t.
On the bright side.. it's like your own personal mining op. Find a group of macro miners in covetors and you make a killing off them. Do I feel bad? No nto at all. They want to cheat, I have np being Robin Hood.
Now if it's a real person than no I would never touch it. I've never stolen ore but I darn well liberate it from cheaters :)
But yeah like the above poster... macro miners will fill your bank real quick :) I made opver 14 hauls of 9800 space yesterday off a crew of them. They don't speak they don;t move.. the cans keep being jetted and refilled. My own mining op lol
LoL all you need now is your own corp
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Doman Dray
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Posted - 2006.05.31 16:44:00 -
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Ugly Kid - last seen in Colcer (Belt V-1) - using a Retriever - probably EBay AutoMiner - warping to station after every Strip Miner Cycle Same as usual - not answering to convos, warping in and out, ... Best thing: there were no roids left and he still warped in and out every 3 minutes - didn't use the miners then of course because there was nothing left.
So - simply kill him.
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2006.05.31 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Pratorien I wish CCP would actually do something about it but alas.... they won;t.
On the bright side.. it's like your own personal mining op. Find a group of macro miners in covetors and you make a killing off them. Do I feel bad? No nto at all. They want to cheat, I have np being Robin Hood.
Now if it's a real person than no I would never touch it. I've never stolen ore but I darn well liberate it from cheaters :)
But yeah like the above poster... macro miners will fill your bank real quick :) I made opver 14 hauls of 9800 space yesterday off a crew of them. They don't speak they don;t move.. the cans keep being jetted and refilled. My own mining op lol
I hope you pettitioned them first...If not comming here and posting about "stealing" their ore makes you as guilty as them.
And subject to account bans.
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0Nailz0
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Posted - 2006.06.07 02:05:00 -
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I'm still a noob to Eve and don't appreciate MacroMiners but I don't see how this destroys the Eve Market exactly. People put in a buy order for Mins.in exchange for ISK. The macrominer fills the ore/mins need and collects the ISK. He then sells this ISK to someone on Ebay. The person buying the ISK obviously needs the ISK for an immediate purchase or else why pay RL cask for it? So now instead of some miner holding onto the ISK for however long, it is fired immediately back into the economy. This can actually stimulate the economy because it is probably a Eve noob that can't afford sh*t without the services of said macrominers' ISK. So now, instead of a noob waiting and saving for months for that Implant or whatever, he is now injecting that ISK today. Are macrominers cheating because they mine while AFK? Yes. Are all of the ore reserves mined before the replenish days every week? No way, especially the lowgrade stuff. So now you have people that are cheating by mining ore that may have not been mined and replaced by new ore. That unmined ore would not have been refined and not have been turned into ISK and not put into the economy.
In closing, I don't agree with macrominers. I don't, but my very limited understanding of economics can't find where they are actually hurting the economy. Please, elighten me so I can understand where you all coming from. Again, I am an Eve noob myself so I would appreciate any and all critisism of my post. Please note that I am now used to people finding ways to cheat in every damn FPS that I have ever played so it doesn't faze me as much when it comes to someone Macro'ing while they sleep or whatever.
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var'ulfur
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Posted - 2006.06.07 02:58:00 -
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well marco miners isk farmers not a real diff other than an isk farmer runs 6 or more accounts, with a few comps to switch them around to work them. either or this or that it means little.
am i a robin hood no but if im mining the same systems as they are i do all i can to run them off. i work within the game mecanics set forth by ccp so if thier marcos or isk farmers or just people that dont mind thier ore being taken i careless.
dose what they do hurt eve yes!in many ways will it be stoped by ccp i dont think so. too many veriables to work over with the power of two and so on.
and on a side note i seem to draw the grammer police alot so fyi many years ago got way to close to a morter blast head never did go back the way it was so live with it.......
talk is cheap the cost of action is enormus
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Hammer Smash
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Posted - 2006.06.07 03:12:00 -
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The Caldari Asteroid Liberation Front [C-ALF] has been established to fight the growing cancer of illegal ISK to USD conversion operations. [C-ALF] operates a liberate first, ask questions later policy.
How does [C-ALF] recognise such operations? Typically [C-ALF] has seen 4 miners born within hours, if not minutes of each other with another hauling. This pattern has been seen repeated throughout known Caldari space.
These people have also wisened up to the hunters and created corporations - thinking that [C-ALF] would ignore them, now they have left state run corporations. This is of course, their mistake. [C-ALF] has been readying war declarations on these criminals.
Income obtained from ore liberation operations are used to further [C-ALF]'s objectives. The void of Caldari Space shall be free, and innocent little Bantam pilots will not have asteroids slurped up from under their noses anymore.
Hammer SMASH! CEO
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Maximillian Pele
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Posted - 2006.06.07 03:28:00 -
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Many people think that macro-miners or ISK farmers are not bad thing because they depress the price of minerals for industrialists.
In fact the only people macro-miners or ISK farmers benefit at the moment are industrialists.
But that won't last for long.
Why?
Because all the macroers/ISK farmers are interested in is making in game ISK to sell in the real world.
If the price of minerals falls too much, then the ISK farmers will simply move on to other areas of the game that can be farmed to make ISK.
Already we have the ghost fleets of Caracals rat hunting in belts, and probably mission and complex farmers starting as well.
So just as the price of ore has fallen, soon the prices of stuff gained from missions/complexes will fall as well.
Also, there is nothing stopping the ISK farmers from buying T1 BPOs and using their macro ore to start flooding the market with T1 items - so eventually the T1 industrialists start to loose out too.
So the Miners, Complex Runners, T1 industrialists, Missoners and NPC rat hunts will all eventually get screwed by the farmers. Great for the PvPers, right?
Wrong. T2 BPOs are still a natural monopoly in Eve. However, the ability to buy 100 mil bundles of ISK for $15 USD a pop means that the highly desirable items like HACs remain expense as anyone who can fly one can buy the ISK off the Farmers rather than earn the ISK in game.
That's the problem with macroers and farmers in MMORGs: ultimately everyone looses except for them. If Eve dies, the macroers/ISK farmers don't care, as no doubt they are farming other games at the same time.
CCP has to realise that: all the macroers and farmers are also paying for their accounts, but the macroers and farmers will only stay as long as real players are in sufficient numbers to provide enough players willing to buy ISK in the real world. If the real players get POed enough about competing with programs or child labour in third world server farmers and leave Eve, the macroers and farmers will also leave.
It's funny in some ways that everyone in Western Nations fear losing their jobs to people in places like India or China. Exactly the same thing can happen to you in Eve.
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Betonela
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Posted - 2006.06.07 07:04:00 -
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here u get a movie how to kill a barge even if u get killed by concord
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AthlonJedi
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Posted - 2006.06.12 03:04:00 -
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Ya know..... if some bonehead came along and tried to steal my ore that i have been watching paint dry to get i would be p*ssed and he would be dead, but when you can sit there and take every scrap of ore from thier jettison containers and completly fill yours then i would say they are :
A. too stupid to be playing eve. B. MACROMINING c. have a bigillion isk that they bought from ebay and just dont care about loosing ore.
so which ever you prefer, if you macromine in my corp space , expect to get your sh*t jacked. and if I catch them in our low sec space they recieve the all famous PK.
in my opinion CCP should make it possable to attack a ship in high sec as long as you warn them you are going to fire on them so that if they respond , well you know they are legit players, if not, PK it is.
This could be acomplished via a pm and have a timer for say 5 min to give the suspected macroer time to respond befor you could acculy fire. |
Drizit
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Posted - 2006.06.12 05:11:00 -
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In highsec, many people don't even have local open so thay are not likely to respond. They don't respond to bumping, that means they are either dumb or that bumping them isn't causing them a real problem.
I don't see how reporting them would make any difference. They mine, if we take their ore, we are flagged and they have justification to fire on us. The fact that they don't is not proof of macro mining.
We can only really surmise that they are macro mining since we have no way to inspect their PC for a third party macro program.
If they don't respond in any way, even when we steal their ore, more fool them. Ore stealing is a part of the game that has been around since long before macros even discovered the game. It is something that you can legitimately do within the game mechanics unless you are using a macro to do it. Anyone who is operating the PC will see you do it once and maybe tolerate it but either respond or move if you do it again. Anyone who leaves their PC unattended for long enough that you can do it constantly is just asking for it to happen.
I had several groups that mined out my local system regularly. I harrassed them, stole from them and generally made myself a niusance. I have not once had any response in local from them and not once have they ever tried to fire on me. I reported them all at one time or another but to no avail, they still played and still mined out my local system and the surrounding systems.
I guess they got the message, they don't come into my home system now but they still mine out the surrounding systems. I am not about to chase them all over Eve but I have the right to defend my home system from their likes so that the corps who are based there can continue to mine and manufacture the same as we have always done before the macro miners came. Going out into the roid belts and finding only Veld is not funny when you need mins to manufacture and you know full well that they have had all the good ore just so they can sell isk on Ebay.
Another corp of Texas based players also used to police our system against them, sadly they have disbanded and gone seperate ways. Partly the reason for their disbanding was because of the macro miners and the resulting lack of good ore so it's not just the economy the macro miners are screwing up. We could not police the system 23/7 so quite often we had times when there was nothing left to mine.
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Malygris
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Posted - 2006.06.13 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Martin Gore THey allways jettison a can caleed a random number say "222262726627" with a bookmark in it (sure sign of macro the bm in a can)
That's ridiculous. I put a bookmark in my jettisonned container when I participate in a mining operation with members of my corporation to keep it from blowing up everytime the hauler takes the ore out of it.
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Ehker Gerete
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Posted - 2006.06.13 04:24:00 -
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you can steal from the macroers, just petition them. even though it doesnt do anything. basically youre doing what you can while the GM's go have coffee or whatever --------------
Quote: Ninteen units of 75mm Gatling Rail I will be awarded to you as a bonus if you complete the mission within 1 hour and 20 minutes
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Ehker Gerete
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Posted - 2006.06.13 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dolly Parton
Originally by: Pooka
And you know they are macro minners because??
there macroers when you see 2 or more sitting there mining. there names are like this
Pooka23 Pooka24 Pooka26
also
they don't answer messages when sent
and
when you take there ore and put it into another can or ahul it away and their still there when you get back or 10 minutes later and their still mining and your still stealing
hmm
i am a jack of all trades and i would notice if someone came along and tried to steal my ore. if that situation did a rise thats what my alt and corp mates are for.
bye bye
my 1km/s slasher (soon ot be a 1km/s rax) works fairly well for detection.
ram a few km out. if i get a convo asking "what are you doing" theyre real. if not, its a macro.
and dont be worried about people getting too mad at you, I did it, one guy said "you thinks its funny ramming my ship away from the can?" and all I said was "no im looking for macroers. sorry to bother you" and no problems there.
another time i rammed them about 8km away until they responded and me ramming them back was faster than them going on their own thrusters. lol. --------------
Quote: Ninteen units of 75mm Gatling Rail I will be awarded to you as a bonus if you complete the mission within 1 hour and 20 minutes
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Vincent Gaines
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Posted - 2006.06.13 04:59:00 -
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Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 13/06/2006 05:02:20
Originally by: Hammer Smash The Caldari Asteroid Liberation Front [C-ALF] has been established to fight the growing cancer of illegal ISK to USD conversion operations. [C-ALF] operates a liberate first, ask questions later policy.
How does [C-ALF] recognise such operations? Typically [C-ALF] has seen 4 miners born within hours, if not minutes of each other with another hauling. This pattern has been seen repeated throughout known Caldari space.
These people have also wisened up to the hunters and created corporations - thinking that [C-ALF] would ignore them, now they have left state run corporations. This is of course, their mistake. [C-ALF] has been readying war declarations on these criminals.
Income obtained from ore liberation operations are used to further [C-ALF]'s objectives. The void of Caldari Space shall be free, and innocent little Bantam pilots will not have asteroids slurped up from under their noses anymore.
Hammer SMASH! CEO
I've worked with C-ALF on occasion in "liberation of ore" and have been very impress by your guys.
The Allied Industrial Defense Syndicate (yes, the acronym was unintentional) works hard to libeerate the areas around and within Sankkasen, which is widely known to be a heavily farmed spot.
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As to spotting farmers, I have it down to a science. Even then they try saying they're not, it's so transparent you it's hard to be wrong.
If anyone wants to see how easy it is, stop by Sankkasen sometime.
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Dessa DesPlains
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Posted - 2006.06.13 12:46:00 -
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It takes 7.5 million tritanium to build one raven. How much tritanium came out of your last mining op? Without someone to mine huge amounts of low end minerals, production would grind to a halt. |
Aluap
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Posted - 2006.06.14 20:48:00 -
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What we all deem to be macro miners mostly turns out to not be a macro at all, but someone mining and hauling. Ive helped liberate ore, ive petitioned ive tried everything. Petitioned and told GMs to come look.
What happens is because these accounts are run by people, when the respond to investigations it removes any 3rd party involvement. And because of that it not bannable because there is an actual person sat at then keyboard.
What puzzles me is that these account run 23 hours a day 7 days a week. So shouldn't that set alarm bells off?
These people get paid to play EVE. And if you are getting paid to play EVE it means only one thing. And its not a nice clean fantastic job :)
Its everywhere and spoils the game for the real players. That said, EVE has become pretty much dependant on it and the economy would probably suffer if it was stopped instantly.
There are people out there that pay for isks and while ever that happens we will see these players with the dodgy names.
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Hockston Axe
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Posted - 2006.06.14 22:25:00 -
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IÆve been living in an area that has a macro to player ratio of at least 1:1 and itÆs no fun trying to mine there. ItÆs a deserted area with a lot of belts and a disproportionate amount of pyrox in the belts. (The average belt has 500k units of pyrox, plus tons of scord and veld)
IÆve watched these guys a lot, theyÆve jumped into a belt I was mining and started to do their thing a few times. (There are at least 5-6 separate groups of them) What gets me though is that some of these toons must have been purchased from auction, because they have corp and standing histories (and real names), but now theyÆre in a starter corp and acting like a bot. DonÆt try to tell me that a person is going to warp into a belt and start to suck up each and every roid beginning with the closest ones first, then moving out until every rock within range is gone, then moving to start vacuuming up the next chunk of belt. This particular group also uses an Occator for its hauler. They donÆt fit the usual mark, but they definitely work with clockwork precision. (And donÆt ever ever leave the area, none of them do.)
In this region each and every belt is reduced to nothing but an odd rock or two every single week, twice a week. If you look at the map there are never more than ten players in any of the systems, yet those few players manage to strip every belt in the region. Looking at faction ships destroyed, these macro infested systems have 2 to 3 times the number of faction ships destroyed compared to the surrounding systems which have a similar population, but no macro infestation. Interestingly IÆve also noticed one or two of them with escrows of large quantities of veld, scord and pyrox for odd 98M and change amounts set up right at their base stations. (These are only suspected macros though, not confirmed, but odd all the same, as the station is 13 jumps from any kind of hub, about 30 to Jita.)
I think the only point of this post, was to point out to those who say stealing the ore from a macro is akin to cheating themselves, would have to add that anyone who may have had a character auctioned off could have been contributing to macroing if purchased for that use, and therefore a cheater by your definition. Furthermore the can of a macro is more than likely only going to contain veld or scord, IÆve found itÆs not even worth the effort to steal it. As for toon names, when I see Larry1, Larry2 and Larry3 IÆm thinking itÆs a person with multiple accounts, when I see nixohw, xoymel, and ox8ehlsi, all in different start corps with no histories working together like clockwork, that raises an eyebrow (or those names plus a real name with the same history, I see that a lot too.)
I donÆt think they break the game by any means, but they are a nuisance if in your area.
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Chickeneye
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Posted - 2006.06.15 13:04:00 -
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Here are some macro-ers i discovered earlier today in Mazitah throot, qiushuzhen, ZhangManYu, admssle, Enzo Swift All have been reported - heres hoping CCP do something for once. 1 suiside kestrel is not enough to get them all |
Rashmika Clavain
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Posted - 2006.06.15 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hammer Smash The Caldari Asteroid Liberation Front [C-ALF]
Hmmm I was tempted to sign up to the Caldari Front for Asteroid Liberation tbh... although the Popular Caldari Asteroid Liberation Front also has its appeal.
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Michelle Deathmind
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Posted - 2006.06.19 10:25:00 -
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Oie. Join the macrointel channel.
Stealing from macro miners is perfectly acceptable. And it's very profitable too. CCP won't ban you for it.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.06.19 10:30:00 -
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stealling from macroers is a service to eve as it keeps the minerals ingame for real production which benefits those players that play eve for the enjoyment
Im wondering why this thread hasnt been locked tho
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Sgt Job
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Posted - 2006.06.19 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: M4RY J4NE If the ore goes into a players wallet rather than out of the game and onto ebay explain to me how thats bad?
When every macrominer strips the belts with their 4-5 barge-armada 24/7 and then put the ore on market it gets flooded. Prices for low end minerals drop and honest miners don't get as much for their ore as they should (supply and demand). By stealing the macrominers ore and sell it on the market, you are not in any way helping us with the problem. The same amount of ore is put on the market when you sell what you've stolen By doing this you undermine the honest miners and their business and should therefore, just like the macrominers, be shot on sight.
Originally by: Dessa DesPlains It takes 7.5 million tritanium to build one raven. How much tritanium came out of your last mining op? Without someone to mine huge amounts of low end minerals, production would grind to a halt.
Without the macrominers raping the fields the ore prices would rise and more (honest) people would start to mine too meet the increased demand.
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Chippsetter
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Posted - 2006.07.27 22:45:00 -
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"DonÆt try to tell me that a person is going to warp into a belt and start to suck up each and every roid beginning with the closest ones first, then moving out until every rock within range is gone, then moving to start vacuuming up the next chunk of belt."
Actually I am doing that right now in my barge as what mins I can't use I can sell for much needed isk to buy what I can't mine.
I now know of 2 player corps that are actually using macro miners.
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Pairadocs
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Posted - 2006.07.28 02:04:00 -
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Quote: They contribute to ruining the game so they can do thier little ebay and such.
when was the last time you werent able to by a new cruiser or BS cause of a macro miner? when was the last time you went to sell mins and a little message popped up that said "Dear Player, due to the ebil macro miners we are unable to buy your minerals, thank you"
your logic and methods behind what you are doing are completely flawed, yet you have this blind hatered toward anyone in a barge mining to a can that you just go around trying to kill them and feel justified.
tell me this, if you went and blew up a large barge with full tech 2 everything that was mining some ice cause you thought he was a macro miner, then in local you see "WTF I go to get a drink and come back and im in a pod?" Would you be so kind and reimburse the person the 10's of millions that you just cost him because you have this little personal vendetta?
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Dahak2150
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Posted - 2006.07.28 02:53:00 -
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Signs of a macro.....
--Newbie corp for an insane period of time --Never been in anything but the newbie corp --No standings with rats, agents, factions, nothing, save the tut agent. --No bio (really, 8 months and you put in nothing!?) --Doesn't respond to convos (multiple) --Doesn't respond to bumping --Group of people mining together are the same age, same time in corp --Cookie-cutter team. 5 guys in my corp fly retrievers, and none of us set them up the same. --Stupid names nobody would be stuck with (sklflsy1068) --Acts weird. I've had them eject drones and lock me, then recall drones, keep me locked. Or recall drones after I steal the ore. --Continues to fill jetcan you're stealing from.
I'm not saying that you should steal from anyone who exhibits a few of these signs. Usually I wait until I can confirm most of them.
I also save the ore and give them a couple more chances to prove they're not macros. I don't have my way with the ore until I am absolutely satisfied that they're macros.
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Arcticblue2
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.28 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Pairadocs
Quote: They contribute to ruining the game so they can do thier little ebay and such.
when was the last time you werent able to by a new cruiser or BS cause of a macro miner? when was the last time you went to sell mins and a little message popped up that said "Dear Player, due to the ebil macro miners we are unable to buy your minerals, thank you"
your logic and methods behind what you are doing are completely flawed, yet you have this blind hatered toward anyone in a barge mining to a can that you just go around trying to kill them and feel justified.
tell me this, if you went and blew up a large barge with full tech 2 everything that was mining some ice cause you thought he was a macro miner, then in local you see "WTF I go to get a drink and come back and im in a pod?" Would you be so kind and reimburse the person the 10's of millions that you just cost him because you have this little personal vendetta?
No but it have frequently append that I go out in my barge to the belt to do some mining because I where tired of doing missions, only to find it quite empty, so I move over to the next belt... and the next and only to find out this system have been cleaned out !!!! Okey .. I move to next system... but hey .. it's been cleaned out too... and trust me I have seen that alot.
Oh and if I finally do manage to do some mining I find belts with so small asteroids I end up moving around quite alot... it is very boring to move around in a barge right ?
And second scenario... I want to sell my minerals, only to find out that it was not worth it, all the time I spent out in the belts and moving around to find some asteroids and I get screwed over by the prices. At one point I could sell for example Isogen at 140 isk a unit, now .... 110 isk maybe I have seen prices down to 89 isk a unit even. Trit to less than 2 isk a unit... where I could get almost 3 for it.
So does macromining ruin my experience ???? you bet your ass it does.
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Pairadocs
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Posted - 2006.07.28 09:56:00 -
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Quote: Trit to less than 2 isk a unit... where I could get almost 3 for it.
Oh boo hoo poor you. I remember when trit was barely 1 isk each and iso was like 60-70isk each. Hell I just did a search for trit for whatever region I was in, 2.20 isk for 74mill buy order. Im sorry if you are to lazy to actually move around different regions and shop, staying in 1.0's and crying about no belts to mine is just stupid. Hell I know of plenty of .7's that are untouched for whatever reasons that have huge kernite fields in them. So your point about no belts to mine is just not valid.
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Rykaro
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Posted - 2006.07.28 15:26:00 -
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Surely the original poster (Pratorien) is profiting from the use of a macro, which is against the EULA if I'm not mistaken. Just because he isn't using a macro on his PC is irrelevant here, he's still profiting from the use of a macro by getting the ored that is mined bythe macro. Which is a bannable offence is it not? I mean if a vigilante killed a murderer, would the act not be considered murder as well even though the person killed was just as evil?
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PeeWee Pee
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Posted - 2006.07.29 19:33:00 -
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go look for your own macro miners to steal from dude |
Alvar Ursidae
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.22 08:49:00 -
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Macro miners are tasty, much like chicken.
Stealing their ore is useless, they mine more, and it just shows you as a thief. I have done it, and proudly so.
The real fun, is getting the agro and killing the hauler.
First, you get the agro by taking their ore. In nearly all cases, in low sec, this has lead to the count down timer wearing off, but all i have done to this point, is move the ore to my own can(s). Then I sit there and wait for them to come back and get it.
Then you get the loot, no sec hit, and no concord, the mins as well. Now and then you get to pop a miner itself. I leave the barges, because without them, I don't get to nail the others!
Macro miners do suck the life out of the game, because there are legitimate miners sitting out there actually doing the mining work! These guys don't bother. They setup the scripts, and go ********** into small jars of mice, making them selves feel bigger by how much money they will make from selling the ISK they get from the ore they sell.
I personally think, that when a Macro Miner account is found, instead of closing it, it should be setup so the characters, ALL of them, and ALL characters on every connected account by credit card, should have standings set to concord of 10, and EVERYTHING ELSE to -10.
That way they can fly everywhere without being popped by concord, and they are left for us to harass! We let them mine, then we pop them freely. Then after a while of making less money and losing mack's all the time, they give up, and start again, wasting time and money.
Another way too of finding macro miners - is look at how the belts in a system look, if it's hi sec, and they are dust, good chance MMs in the area. Another thing too, is to look at the corps of the controller pilot. If they dont match, and you see him taking ore from the OTHER noob corp pilot's can, good chance he's ganged the macro as well.
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Valgore Xizor
Minmatar Red Navy Faction Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.22 12:09:00 -
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This post is bad. Last week someone accused me of macro mining because I didnt answer his convo. I was in my barge watching smallvile on my laptop and I had a friend hauling the ore back to the station in his indy. All I was doing was dragging the ore into the tim every 3 mins (I have an alarm set to remind me to do this) and my friend was collecting it.
My hand controlled the mouse and just because I multi task and only look at the screen to shift the ore, I get some moron throwing accusations around!!
People who make these accusations without any proof are retarded. Naming and shaming is one thing if you have facts, dirtying some semi AFK miners name without facts is a crime.
This post needs deleted!
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Miss Overlord
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.22 12:10:00 -
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a) petition first b) CCP allow u to keep the ore that simple
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.09.22 13:14:00 -
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Personally, I prefer to kill macrominers than steal from them. Build yourself one BC or higher with nothing but Cap Batteries and remote reppers on. Wait for a rat to spawn (obviously only works in systems with low enough security to spawn rats). Repair a rat so the macro's defenses (usually drones) cant finish him off. This can easily kill barges, but sometimes struggle to kill mining BS's.
Alternatively, if they're a real simple macro- take the ore out of their can, put it in your own jet can. Rename the can exactly (symbol for symbol) the same name as their (now popped) can was. Witha bit of luck, they'll continue to haul from your can, ignoring the warning signs (being a macro) which allows you to shoot them.
There are other methods, but those 2 are my favourite. Why do I do it? Its a fun way to kill 30 minutes
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Feng Schui
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Posted - 2006.09.22 13:54:00 -
[100]
/me wonders if I'll be able to kill macro-miners from different factions when faction warfare comes out
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Elgar1
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Posted - 2006.09.22 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Elgar1 on 22/09/2006 13:59:03 You know the easiest way to mess up a macro miner?
Drop a few Jet cans next to their miners. When their hauler turns up it's just as likely to access your can instead of theirs. If it does, you can then shoot it. If it doesn't then it will get bugged on the prompt warning it about looting from others cans.
Doing it this way you are stealing nothing from them. Your not breaking any rules and your definately not harrassing them. Only a macro will mistake yoru can for theirs.
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Johan VanDelft
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.23 16:20:00 -
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Some people say that not responding to convo's is a sure sign of a macrominer. It is not. When I am mining (or hauling), I always tick the ignore invitations setting so I won't be bothered or accidentally get myself into a gang with a person that is wardecced.
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zeKzn
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Posted - 2006.09.23 16:54:00 -
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god people whine too much about jetcans being stolen from. does the concept of risk vs reward mean nothing to you? there is a risk to jetcan mining, and there is a reward. if there was no risk then it would have been declared a bug and fixed years ago.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr The Phantom Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.23 17:11:00 -
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Some of them just warp out if you take from their can. They use shuttle scouts to make BMs from thation to belt and back for the haulers. Then hauler takes from your can, docks and just waits out the timer. Then undocks against and starts from the beginning.
I asked earlier to make stealing an act of aggression without concord but that you cant dock or jump for 1-2 minutes to have a chance to pop thiefs that warp away. Probing for them doesnt work due to cloaking.
Dont forget, there is a difference between a farmer, a macro miner and a normal pilot that just mines.
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Six Dikes
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Posted - 2006.09.23 17:14:00 -
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I am a macros minor. the ore of macro instruction is ISK thus I feed probably four real childern. this only work can employ with me thus likes not to steal my food out of box because steals in finally you of the childs of mine pretentiously known as your obese needs for americains to visit my national and to seem how is poor us is shames with you for causes me child to die of hunger.
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EF Hann
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Posted - 2006.09.23 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Six Dikes I am a macros minor. the ore of macro instruction is ISK thus I feed probably four real childern. this only work can employ with me thus likes not to steal my food out of box because steals in finally you of the childs of mine pretentiously known as your obese needs for americains to visit my national and to seem how is poor us is shames with you for causes me child to die of hunger.
That's a very moving testament, Six Dikes. You have changed my opinion. Please post the names of all of your characters and the systems you frequent and I will fly right out there and, er, defend you against these cruel macro-hunters.
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Tate Iceni
Caldari Iceni Combat and Logistical Support
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Posted - 2006.09.23 19:15:00 -
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I seize ore from macro's and farmers fairly regulary. Do I feel bad about it? No. If I took Ore from a player and I was (rightfully) yelled at for it I'd give it back without any argument and quiet a lot of apologies!
Yip, I profit off the farmers/macros. Do I feel bad about that? No, not at all. Stealing is an allowed part of the game, I just happen to be very selective who I steal from. I don't feel bad about killing belt rat's for modules and bounties. So why should I feel bad for taking ore from what may as well be NPC miners?
If CCP somehow waived a magic wand tomorrow and removed farmers and macro'ers from the game then great - I'd be as happy about it as anyone else, until then - I will nick the odd bit of ore from them; which lets face it is going to be a fairly insignificant amount compared to the millions of m3 they must collectively mine each day.
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Rahn Sohwant
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Posted - 2006.09.23 21:56:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Tate Iceni ...
Yip, I profit off the farmers/macros. Do I feel bad about that? No, not at all. Stealing is an allowed part of the game, I just happen to be very selective who I steal from. I don't feel bad about killing belt rat's for modules and bounties. So why should I feel bad for taking ore from what may as well be NPC miners? ...
Strictly speaking, you're supposed to petition them before you start emptying their cans, otherwise you're profiting from their violation of the rules. If they were really NPC miners, they'd probably be programmed better. A NPC that acted as a perpetual zero-risk isk faucet would be a bug. (I think there might be a thread on that somewhere
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Nalena Arlath
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Posted - 2006.09.23 22:26:00 -
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I agree to just stealing the ore from macro miners.
I'm strongly opposed to any ore thieving from honest miners.
But when it comes to macro miners, letting them just keep their crap up unpunished by either CCP or players, gives them reason to continue what they are doing.
Taking their whole load of ore and selling it for isk to your corp, or just refining it to build something for your corp, yourself, or your friends is a much better way of having the ore "put into the game" than through the macro-miners, who most likely sell their profit off to ISK/Plat-selling sites anyhow.
Macro mining IS a problem as they drive down the prices on ore and minerals, making it less than a little lucrative for honest miners.
Rather see vigilante action against macro'ers than NO action at all.
As was said, ignorance is bliss, and saying people who oppose macro-miners in the only way possible (as CCP wont take action) are par-taking in their macro-mining-cheat thing, well, thats just plain ludicrous, and something that is most likely comming from someone who has a macro-miner char up their own sleeve.
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Roy Batty68
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Posted - 2006.09.23 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Imperial Coercion Hah! The game has gotten its own genuine vigilante!
Charles Bronson couldnt have been prouder!
Cause Charlie Bronson always had rope!!! (obscure The Boondock Saints reference)
This thread reminds me of DAoC and the long period of radar cheaters and the witch hunts that went on during that time. Basically everyone was guilty of radar until proven innocent....
Mining in Eve also reminds me of DAoC. DAoC crafting specifically. It's SO bloody boring that even honest people are tempted to cheat. But that doesn't mean they are. It just means they are normal humans like you and me and have better things to do than watch paint dry.
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Tate Iceni
Caldari Iceni Combat and Logistical Support
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Posted - 2006.09.24 00:52:00 -
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Okay - this is me being a bit cynical about the macro/farmer situation re: petitioning them and then stealing their stuff.
a) Why petition something which is very hard for CCP to *prove* in the case of semi-monitored farmers?
b) I wouldn't petition before stealing ore from another *normal* player - so why would I petition against one that I believe *might be* macro/farmers (I freely admit I have no proof other than them NOT acting like a normal miner would who's cans I'd just emptied; and the previously mentioned items that make a character look suspicious).
I can understand what your saying and prehaps, yes, I should petition them; but CCP struggle to truely prove they're macro's or farmers - so what is the point in me filling up their already busy petition list telling them stuff they already likely know, that they are probably pretty unlikely to be able to do anything about.
I guess at the end of the day I'm just robbing some particulary stupid miners (who may just happen to be farmers/macros) who don't react offensivly or yell at me for taking their ore.
Yes, I'm pretty sure they are what I say they are - but its not like I can prove it beyond speculation in order for it to be worth me petitioning it.
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Tyleritus
adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.24 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kristen Ambrais So lemme get this straight. You've made a bunch of ore thiefs just to steal from their cans.
Taking their ore is just as bad as if you mined that ore yourself.
If he reported them via Harasment petition before he took there ore its legal, this has been stated by CCP.
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Preator Rushview
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.24 02:24:00 -
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I agree with harassing Macroers..
A corp mate and I have been greifing a group of 6 of them in Lonetrek over the last couple of days. All in covertors with strip miners jetcan mining and the one hauler dragging the cans back and forth. Obviously Macroers, all in different n00b corps, all over 12months old, all ignoring convos, all with no bio and all were jetting cans marked '11111111111111111' and '22222222222222222'
Then today they got wise and a Kessie warp into one of the belts they were in and started firing on our Badgers.. looking at his name I instantly recognised it as one of the ISK sellers that spam you evemail boxes.. so I quickly warped to the station and bought a nice cheap disposable cormie... then went about pwning his ass whilst my mate went on collecting the loot.
Just look at the guys name...
Victim: zsdsadasdsa Alliance: NONE Corp: State War Academy Destroyed: Kestrel System: ****** Security: 0.6 Involved parties:
Name: Preator Rushview (laid the final blow) Security: 0.0 Alliance: NONE Corp: State War Academy Ship: Cormorant Weapon: 150mm Carbide Railgun I
All 5 covertors and the hauler promptly warped and logged at the same time.
A few of my mates have petitioned these plenty of times but no good seems to come of it so we decided to take matters into out own hands. We may be in a n00b corp ourselves but we still enjoy the game but just haven't got the skills quite yet to take the fight into 0.0, so Empire is still our backyard. And the pharmers wiping their arse with it.
So here are the name and shames as it will:
Aimee1984 Codezhunter Peterking (The Hauler) Josephine001 Blowupcity Blessing720
Needless to say I made a few mill and I'll go on to making a few mill.
Rush
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr Four Horsemen
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Posted - 2006.09.24 07:26:00 -
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UI recently petitioned a gm saying they have to be banned as i keep petitioning them. My reply was . If you take from the can they can agro you without concord. stealing ores from the macro miner will allow them to prttect thier ores.
If they dont attack you keep taking it.
in other words I been told i can take from macro miners.
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Shardivh
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Posted - 2006.11.27 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: GLok Just casue they found a way to make money faster than you doesnt exactly make them cheaters does it?
I mean how do we know that you dont macro mine with all these accounts you have just made
Just stop complaining and post about something worth reading
I agree. I AM NOT SUPPORTING MACRO MINERS!!!!! However, Its not any of our business if CCP finds these people or not. if they do, YAY! they have helped the community. if they do not find them, then it is not the eve community who should go crying to Mummy and send thousands of petitions, with no hard evidence to support them.For example, I myself mine and do not respond to any convo's or if someone bumpsmeI dont respond to strange convo'sbecause they will most likely be offering me a job on a corp orsomething. Either that or they want a general chat, me, i dont have time 4 that. If CCP and the GM's had thousands less (most of them false) petitions saying "this person is Macro mining im SURE of it!" then they could spend more time finding these people. Bottom Line YOU ARE NOT THE EVE ONLINE POLICE! CCP IS!!! If someone can make money and not get caught, than that is what they do. If they get caught, then sucks to be them!!! BAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!
Also, stealing from the macro miners is just as bad as macro mining, because you are still ruining the economy, and not being "Noble" as you might think. And that stupid reference to "Robin Hood" earlier in this forum was ridiculous!!! If you steal from the macro miners, then sell the ore forisk, Why are you not the same as them??? It is not better than letting them sell it on ebay or on the EVE economy, because you are doing the same. Let CCP deal with this problem and get on with playing. Dont flood them with petitions.
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Rooker
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Posted - 2006.11.27 17:47:00 -
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Thread hijacking ftw
I've gone after macros a few times myself. I even tried to suicide one (didn't work out so well). It is easy to spot a macro and tell it from an AFK miner. This is one of those things where you have to actually do it a few times to understand. Plus there are several "gangs" of macros that are pretty well known in macrointel. I've never taken ore from an actual player and if I ever do it accidently, I'd apologize and jet it next to them.
As has been mentioned, as long as you fire off a petition first, you're fine if you steal the ore/ice. "Hi, I think [persons] in [system] are using macros to mine, because they are [reason 1], [reason 2], [etc]. I plan to take their ore from them, unless someone tells me not to do it.".
Wait 5 minutes and you'll get a canned response and you're all set. On (very) rare occasions a GM shows up and the macros all mysteriously disappear.
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Xamys
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Posted - 2006.11.27 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Pratorien I've seen other macro miners and liberated ore from them but wasn't taking down names at the time. Usually you can spot them by the name if they have numbers in them or the way they name thier cans.
If you just watch for abit you can tell without a doubt who a macro miner is. The way cans are named are a big give away as a few in my above list have normal names.
And I agree, if a player says something to me I do a refund if I judged wrong but has yet to happen. Pretty good about spotting thenm. I send numerous petitions and than start the liberation.
Don;t feel bad from taking froma cheater. They contribute to ruining the game so they can do thier little ebay and such. F them and anyone else who is in with them.
CCP DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT ALREADY !!!!!!!!!!
I've seen something about MinerX 4.03 which is some macro program out there that most use... A simple google search for "EVE Macro Mining" will give it out on the first result, so don't ***** at me for giving it out here, anyone can... That said, that macro program doesn't use cans at all, it's much worse... it warps/docks to stations of your choice and transfer the ore in the hangar, then warps back to the belt (can be random belts too) and resume its mining.
I wish EVE had something like punkbuster to protect against those, which would really be easy... but CCP teaming up with a Texan company, no chance lol.
Either way, yes macro miners suck... Can you do something about them? Sure, give out their names through petitions and let CCP dealing with em, just don't forget to give their location and the time you saw them. If you can steal from their cans (for the few that use them) then do so! They deserve it. Now, before you start accusing people from macro mining though, try talking to them in local if they are rejecting chats, and see if they reply. Target them to get their attention etc... If you get no response, then they me be using macros or are just plain rude.
That's my POV on this...
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Soulita
Gallente Inner Core
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Posted - 2006.11.27 22:13:00 -
[118]
People annoyed with macros can join the ingame chat channel 'MACROINTEL'. Macrokillers hang out there.
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Alex Cabot
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Posted - 2007.05.01 21:00:00 -
[119]
CCP WILL NEVER GET RID OF MACRO MINERS! For every macro miner CCP bans, that is $180.00 per year they lose. Banning 20 Macro Miners would cost CCP $3588.00 in anual revenue. Pretty sad reality. The only way CCP will take care of Macro Miners is if legitimate players close their accounts.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.01 22:45:00 -
[120]
BRAVE NECRO ALEX ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some |
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syphurous
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.01 22:56:00 -
[121]
Alex I want my 2 minutes back I spent reading the first page till I realised the date on the posts.
I reckon 10mil isk should cover my time.
I look forward to seeing my wallet flash. ______________________________
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Darth Vaders
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Posted - 2007.06.10 11:06:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Hando Gin it players like you that make me sick , im an honest miner with 2 accounts , 1 for mining and one for hauling , and im sick to death of idiot gankers like you trying to steal my ore and gank me , does having 2 accounts make me a macro miner even though im constantly at the controls , i think not
If you like to do everything solo then why you bother to play a multiplayer game? What corps are for? I really dislike people that use multiple characters as a whole. CCP should use means to make people stop that like for example forbid simultaneous connections from same ip (just an idea don;t know if is possible)
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Ashaz
Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.06.10 11:27:00 -
[123]
Edited by: Ashaz on 10/06/2007 11:26:45
Originally by: Da Death
Originally by: Pratorien Da Death is really into defending macro miners lol
Macro mine much? :)
can't read eh?
What is he suposed to have ready? You haven't given any arguments at all. All you've realy done is call him an idiot.
As mentioned above. macrominers are realy easy to spot. They are breaking the eula, so why not have a little fun with them?
edit: hm. some necroing here. iDrone |
codex09
Minmatar Entropy Systems Mining Co.
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Posted - 2007.06.10 11:55:00 -
[124]
I know of 3 people that aren't marco-miners but that have had their ore stolen and then had the low life players that did it come back and destroy their barge's.
At a guess these people will probably use the excuse they were stealing from marco-miners also for destroying these 3 peoples ships..
So to the people that think they are doing the game some sort of service by going around stealing ore from other people I hav a couple of questions:
1). When you run your very thorough checks to make sure the people you are stealing from are marco-miners do you also think of the possibility that the person could be talking via their own corp channel and there for miss anything asked or said on a local channel?
2). Does the fact that you are stealing from another player whether they are a marco-miner or not mean you are doing the game a service, or is that just an excuse you are using to try to justify the fact that you are stealing from another player who might not be a marco-miner and may just be AFK or talking via some other channel. Hey what if they person can't understand english or whatever language you try to talk to them in and they don't reply to you because they have no idea what it is you are saying to them.
Personally I am not a marco-miner, BUT I am concerned that if/when I do go AFK for 1 minute while I go to the toilet I am going to be targetted as a macro-miner and have my ore stolen and my ship destroyed.
As for the person on the first page that made the statement that he only steals from marco-miners or people in noob corps I would have to ask why is that? Are you worried that if you steal from someone in a big corp you will get your self blasted out of the space you sit in?
This problem is not one that players should take it upon themselves to do something about because of the possible problems doing this sort of thing can cause. I have not completely read through the EULA or any the other rules the game has, but I would think that taking it upon yourself to punish people for something they are or are not doing would also be breaking these rules and/or agreements...
Now as for people that have multiple accounts using more than one of them at a time, what is wrong with that? It is their own money they are spending to pay for game time so hey if they want to make CCP extra $$$ then that is totally up to them. From what I have seen and heard there are a lot of people that do this and not just so they can macro-mine....
Anyway I guess when it all comes down to it there really isn't much anyone can say that will stop you doing something if you really feel you have a right to do it. Just take responsibility for what you do without trying to justify it with old worn out excuses.
In The Beginning Man Lived Just Like The Animals & For Some Nothing Has Changed!?! |
Shaeba
Minmatar SUBLIME L.L.C. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.10 14:42:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Martin Gore
(sure sign of macro the bm in a can)
I just wanted to point out, that the bookmark in the can does NOT necessarily mean you're dealing with a macroer. I tend to stick a can pin in my cans when I'm mining and hauling so I don't have to worry about popping the can and setting out a new one. I've never macro mined, or gone AFK in a belt. Then again AFK in 0.0 tends to be begging for a gank anyway ;)
And on a completely unrelated note... Great name, great band. :)
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Loyal Servant
Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.06.10 15:10:00 -
[126]
Ok, let me set some of you straight right now.
1. Taking ore from a macro miner, isk farmer, player, can in space, friggin space mole or the like will NOT get you banned.
GMs have been clear in MANY of my petitions that taking ore is a legitimate game mechanic and since you THINK that player is doing something wrong - it is not your fault.
So, STFU about getting banned for stealing ore. That is complete NONSENSE!
Second, you should petition everyone you think is an isk farmer, macro miner, or the likes. READ THIS ARTICLE!
I make a living harassing farmers and macros. Not banned yet. Myth debunked - I with the macro/isk FANBOYS would leave people that are trying to make their game a nicer place alone.
Usually its BOB/RA/GOONS or other alliances KNOWN TO HARBOR ISK FARMERS that cry foul anyhow.
By all means, go harass isk farmers, take their ore, blow them up....
Please, petition them however.
Another public service announcement courtesy TSDS - and your favorite macro ganker :)
TSBS - Eve's Premier podding service!
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Drizit
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.10 16:14:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Darth Vaders If you like to do everything solo then why you bother to play a multiplayer game? What corps are for? I really dislike people that use multiple characters as a whole. CCP should use means to make people stop that like for example forbid simultaneous connections from same ip (just an idea don;t know if is possible)
So me and my two kids can't play at the same time?
That's fine, we really won't mind having to get 3 internet connections to the house just so all 3 of us can play the game together
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Loyal Servant
Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.06.10 17:07:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Drizit
Originally by: Darth Vaders If you like to do everything solo then why you bother to play a multiplayer game? What corps are for? I really dislike people that use multiple characters as a whole. CCP should use means to make people stop that like for example forbid simultaneous connections from same ip (just an idea don;t know if is possible)
So me and my two kids can't play at the same time?
That's fine, we really won't mind having to get 3 internet connections to the house just so all 3 of us can play the game together
There is something to 30 connections from an address and should be investigated IMHO.
3 is hardly an issue, 30 is questionable at best. Rice farm shops probably have in excess of 30....
TSBS - Eve's Premier podding service!
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.10 19:12:00 -
[129]
The only people who would bash someone for this post are macro-miners themselves. RISE Recruitment Thread
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.10 23:12:00 -
[130]
I know 3 legitimate PC miners, mining solo in high sec, no macros, not even a hauler, that got ganked yesterday alone. Not a single attempt was made to contact any of the 3 of them. Legitimate miners play for fun, **** them off they leave. Macros play for ISK, not fun. **** them off they just move around and refine their programs. They don't EVER leave because they got ganked or are mad.
Remember, every time you gank a player and they quit YOU have helped make macros more profitable. Be sure of your targets Its got to the point that I am tired enough of dodging would be suiciders that I have quit mining all together and wind up buying my minerals instead, probably from macros since they are about all that is left with any large supplies of minerals. <-----------> Factional Warfare:
The LowSec wars which never happened. |
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Camilo Cienfuegos
EP0CH
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Posted - 2007.06.10 23:20:00 -
[131]
It is not possible to adequately detect macro-miners, and so innocent miners will be killed. This is not as undesirable as it may seem at first, as the market for minerals is in a dire position at present, and thinning out the numbers would probably be a good thing. -- Fix Caldari Fix Insurance |
Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.10 23:20:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn The only people who would bash someone for this post are macro-miners themselves.
Wrong. Many legitimate miners get ****ed at these posts because WE are the ones getting ganked.
Gank legitimate miners, they quit. Gank Macros, they NEVER quit. Why? Because they aren't doing this for fun.
Every miner that quits because they got ganked INCREASES the profitability of macros. I don't care if you gank macros, but I do care a lot when gankers indescriminately gank miners "because they were a macro" when they never made any attempt to contact said player, never checked employment history, age of those in the mining op, etc. And it happens ALL the time.
I wouldn't be surprised if CCP doesn't put measures in place to reduce this behavior because of the negative effect it is having on legitimate players.
The only way to stop macros is to not buy ISK. Period. Every miner you get by accident (or many times on purpose) just makes them more profitable and less likely to leave.
So watch your targets and yell at those that don't <-----------> Factional Warfare:
The LowSec wars which never happened. |
Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.10 23:25:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos It is not possible to adequately detect macro-miners, and so innocent miners will be killed. This is not as undesirable as it may seem at first, as the market for minerals is in a dire position at present, and thinning out the numbers would probably be a good thing.
When I started 8 months ago belts were full of player corps mining. Many corps had "strip the belt" days where they took 20-50 players out and had fun stripping belts. Those things started dissapearing 4-5 months ago with the rise of suiciding miners. Most posters at the time claimed the same as you just did, where the end result was somehow worth it.
Now all you find in the belts are macros and a few solo miners. Tell me exactly how this is better? The big mining corps are pretty much gone from the belts and all that are left are macros. Even my old system is infested with them. We take their ore, bump their haulers, petition after petition, etc but they are still there. Its sad, but there isn't anyone else waiting to mine the belts either. <-----------> Factional Warfare:
The LowSec wars which never happened. |
Camilo Cienfuegos
EP0CH
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Posted - 2007.06.10 23:45:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Camilo Cienfuegos on 10/06/2007 23:44:51
Quote: IWhen I started 8 months ago belts were full of player corps mining. Many corps had "strip the belt" days where they took 20-50 players out and had fun stripping belts. Those things started dissapearing 4-5 months ago with the rise of suiciding miners. Most posters at the time claimed the same as you just did, where the end result was somehow worth it.
I'm actually sat on the fence, but I see where you're coming from. Might I also point out that the time frame you indicated also corresponds with the removal of Ice from high security systems?
I don't know about you, but that sets alarm bells ringing in regards to these "mining corps". Either their legit and have gone in search of The Almighty Ore, or they were merely an undetected macro. I know a few players who pay for 10 or more accounts - and I wouldn't be surprised if they were using software to aid their mining efforts. Bear in mind, a macro miner isn't necessarily an AFK miner. He's just a miner who's too lazy to click!
Quote: Now all you find in the belts are macros and a few solo miners. Tell me exactly how this is better? The big mining corps are pretty much gone from the belts and all that are left are macros. Even my old system is infested with them. We take their ore, bump their haulers, petition after petition, etc but they are still there. Its sad, but there isn't anyone else waiting to mine the belts either.
Yet the population of eve has only grown. I wonder where all these pilots are? I presume you've heard of the rising trend of mining corps - and specifically suspected macro-mining corps - attempting to join 0.0 alliances?
Again, doesn't this get your spidey-sense tingling? -- Fix Caldari Fix Insurance |
Judge Ment
ECMI
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Posted - 2007.06.10 23:50:00 -
[135]
In away im sorta like my buddy the macro miner - isk farmer - whatever ya wanna call it.
Only one thing makes me different - Im a foolish eve player clicking a mouse when "Future of Macro -ing" Is here.
But even though its dishonest I want to thank them for Mining them Huge, Godly and Monster size Veld that grow and grow with each day!
Muahaha
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syphurous
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.10 23:52:00 -
[136]
*Drives stake through threads heart*
Stay dead damnit ! ______________________________
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Mary Lyonesse
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Posted - 2007.06.10 23:57:00 -
[137]
If you want good targets, try Oiniken:
31 belts, filled with macro-miners...
Have fun!
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SchirmerN
Amarr WKK Inc. United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.06.11 00:06:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Anaalys FluuterbyWrong Gank Macros, they NEVER quit. Why? Because they aren't doing this for fun
Wrong. I killed many macros and farmers. Alot of them have quit for good. Just keep shoting and ganking them, and they WILL leave
Originally by: Anaalys FluuterbyWrong The only way to stop macros is to not buy ISK.
Wrong. And that never gonna happen anyway Keep working on them until they get enough, and quit. Allso if someone dont respond/AFK mine its their own fault that they get ganked. But its not realy that hard to find out if they are macros/farmers
Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos It is not possible to adequately detect macro-miners, and so innocent miners will be killed.
Plenty of ways to find out if they are macros. 1: NPC corp 2: Made on same dates 3: Funny names 4: Not responding etc etc
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Fink Angel
Caldari The Merry Men
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Posted - 2007.06.11 16:07:00 -
[139]
I'm going to go out in a tanked Covetor with no mining lasers fitted (cheap if suicided!), drop a can called "omggsdjkflf" have my alt coming and going in a hauler to a spot where there's nothing there, and reply to any covos angrily and in nonsensical pidgin English.
"You son of Bruce Wayne, you are dishonourable wildebeeste. Harmonica."
But I'm not actually going to mine anything, just a minor bit of "inverse griefing" for anyone that wants to waste time sitting around watching me and waiting to nick anything!
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.11 23:18:00 -
[140]
Originally by: SchirmerN
Plenty of ways to find out if they are macros. 1: NPC corp 2: Made on same dates 3: Funny names 4: Not responding etc etc
Of these you listed the only one that holds true and can be relied on is #2
Remember, we are living in the age of Yahoo@ spam accounts where everything that can be a name and is in english has been taken already. It is NORMAL to have non-sensical names with numerical characters, many of those correlate back to actual Yahoo accounts (yes, I've found a bunch of them ). And you hear players *****ing in local all the time when they get ganked because of those names.....
I'm not defending macros by any means, destroy them all. But I have too many friends that no longer play because of being ganked and then smacked-talked "because they were macros". And those that did it always take the moral high-ground for their actions (see the post "some innocent miners might get caught" earlier), while I personally believe all they wanted was to kill something. I've even watched friends be "identified" in Macro-Intel as macros, once while one of those players was in the channel arguing about not being one.
How many legitimate players have quit because of these crusades? And how many of those ones that you claim quit are actually just using different accounts?
Only CCP knows, but in my circle I know of 3 formerly decent sized corps and around 2 dozen players that are no longer in EvE because of things like this. And no, none of them were macros... <-----------> Factional Warfare:
The LowSec wars which never happened. |
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.11 23:19:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn The only people who would bash someone for this post are macro-miners themselves.
Wrong. Many legitimate miners get ****ed at these posts because WE are the ones getting ganked.
Gank legitimate miners, they quit. Gank Macros, they NEVER quit. Why? Because they aren't doing this for fun.
Basically, people gank anyone they can, but try even harder to gank macroers. Stop threatening to quit, we are going to kill you anyway. RISE Recruitment Thread
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.11 23:23:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn The only people who would bash someone for this post are macro-miners themselves.
Wrong. Many legitimate miners get ****ed at these posts because WE are the ones getting ganked.
Gank legitimate miners, they quit. Gank Macros, they NEVER quit. Why? Because they aren't doing this for fun.
Basically, people gank anyone they can, but try even harder to gank macroers. Stop threatening to quit, we are going to kill you anyway.
heh.
I have never been ganked (not that I don't expect to be sometime). And I am not quitting anytime soon, the game is waaaay too fun I also don't mine anymore due to the current trends, my barge hasn't left dock in almost 3 months.
I do miss many of my friends though, they are the ones that got me started in EvE. Without their high recommend I would never have given it a try, now they hate it <-----------> Factional Warfare:
The LowSec wars which never happened. |
cal nereus
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.06.12 03:01:00 -
[143]
Originally by: CaptainSeafort may i point out that taking a macroers ore WITHOUT NOTIFYING VIA PETITION FIRST, AND WAITING FOR REPLY implcaites you as a macro miner too, and you may get banned. petition, or be warned =P
Noted. =D
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Taran Summers
The Merovingians
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Posted - 2007.06.12 03:10:00 -
[144]
Edited by: Taran Summers on 12/06/2007 03:10:45 Chribba - That Veldnought's not manned, I swears it. Dark Shikari - No HUMAN could do that many coherent posts in that short amount of time. Here AND on teh Wiki. Hutch - Automated forum censoring machine! If only CCP coded the in-game drones with this level of skill.
P.S. - Quick question. If a topic gets necroed, but people jump on it and keep going for pages. What's the problem with it? :Tucks his copy of the Chribbanomicon (Book of talking to mined veldspar) behind a potted plant so its not on the viewscreen anymore: |
Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.12 23:19:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Taran Summers Dark Shikari - No HUMAN could do that many coherent posts in that short amount of time. Here AND on teh Wiki.
Cyberbrain ftw
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EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! |
Shiguni Jhi
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Posted - 2007.06.15 00:03:00 -
[146]
I am having keyboard trouble, can't esc to get to petition, but if someone wants to gank some macro miners, they're in Laah (Citadel)
xlqro3 xlqro4 xlqro8 qingtianzhu1 qingtianzhu2
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RaivynBlood
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Posted - 2007.07.06 08:50:00 -
[147]
i found this on a site giving directions on how to make a macro for mining, but it kept the program which they used to make the macro a secret, they put it up simply to make a point. here is the post:
"#40 by wowzer, May 31, 2007 For all those against this i have a few things to say:
1) mining is the most boring and slow way of making money for ingame use; 2) mineral prices are kept constant by the macrominers, and fluctuated by traders that are not using macros for that (they can`t); 3) mineral prices would rise if all miners would have to stay there and mine for hours and hours... noob miners would simply give it up and start something else, as the yeld is infinitely small and the amount of time spent is huge; 4) if the prices for minerals go up, so do the prices for ships and items, therefore making everything more expensive and making everyone work harder and dedicate more time to staying ingame (unless you are a total computer addict allready, i doubt you would like to spend hours at a time doing nothing but smacktalking on chats and mining) 5) next time you buy a cheap ship think about the macros that mined the ore for it to be built at that price.
conclusion: unless the game mechanism is fundamentally changed, macrominers should be allowed but strictly controlled because imo one account with a macrominer is no big deal, plenty of them for one user may become a problem and should not be allowed.
ISK sellers should be tracked and banned, i personally do not fully agree with that, although in some cases it is what earns people their very existance... sad, i know...
so consider all this before you go around pointing fingers. there are worse things than macrominers. think about the npc-ing bots... placed in deep 0.0 earn more money than any macro-miner however skilled it is... plus the trading manipulation of markets and so on... the list of bad things is pretty long, one guy in a miner using a macro seems to me like the least important."
yah... imo, thats more than enough explination. i play FFXI too and the fact is, the worst enemy you will have is gil/gold/isk/plat buyers/sellers, and that goes for all mmo players. so lay off the macro miners and worry about bigger probs, like say a life
and for the recored, thank you wowzer, whoever you are
p.s. thank you MP "We've emailed CCP about macro mining like how it is shown above and they say it is not cheating and your account will not be de-activated BUT they DO NOT condone it's use."
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Alpha Wolfgang
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Posted - 2007.08.09 23:14:00 -
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I'm not a macro miner, im only 2 weeks into this game... and i dont see what you guys are crying about a good argument.
i fully agree to the post above (i read that same post on another website)
with no macros, the market will be just a beeotch. theres nothing wrong with macros, if the person is willing to pay $15 for another account, he sure as hell deserves to have a macro going.
i myself have had my ore stolen a few times... it ****es me off. i find that ore thieves are a LOT worse than a macro. macros only help the market. and if your sooo crazy for some ore, go there and mine right when the ore respawns (mondays and fridays i believe).
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syphurous
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.09 23:44:00 -
[149]
STAY DEAD !!
Moderator, please lock this FFS ___
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BritishInvader
Amarr Leela's Lamas
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Posted - 2007.08.09 23:53:00 -
[150]
This entire thread is full of grade A idiocy. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- EVE ART STORE - CLICK HERE
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.09 23:57:00 -
[151]
Originally by: syphurous STAY DEAD !!
Moderator, please lock this FFS
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SsjGhost
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Posted - 2007.09.11 12:07:00 -
[152]
Edited by: SsjGhost on 11/09/2007 12:13:06 Edited by: SsjGhost on 11/09/2007 12:12:04 Edited by: SsjGhost on 11/09/2007 12:07:20 Not been playing long so any geeks please don't gang up on me or ill cry. Now, the thing i love about eve is the freedom to do pretty much what you want. I've only killed one miner and he wasn't a macro. i killed him because i was bored, then i promptly had my ship blown up, twice. it happens. macros give people something to in the form of hunting them (and moaning). People who are killed when they are non-macros should contact the people who killed them. if you don't get anything back then tough s*it. thats life. I'm sure they will get munched at some time during the game so who cares. Eve is a game. people play the way they want too. there are always going to be people making money from it, there are always going to be people stealing from others and there will always be bullies. DEAL WITH IT People who have alts for mining, instead of moaning, why not do something about it in-game. Start a corp or something. People who moan about macros, leave it alone, they DO play a part in EVE and contribute to the market. And anyone who thinks I'm talking crap, reply to this and i'll do my best to ignore it
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Lady Feelgood
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Posted - 2007.09.29 18:14:00 -
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Its very easy to tell if someone is a macro miner. #1 Scan them...They usually have Cargo rigs and T2 cargo expanders and are shield repping. And T2 stuff...but this may not mean hes a macro miner. #2 They warp out of the belt, and take their load to the station. Then return back to the belt. #3 Ram them....circle them. Real miners, will say something or warp off. If they don't say anything or warp off, its a good chance they are macro miners... #4 Get 4 buddies for a hulk, 3 buddies for a mack. Stay in the .5 to .7 systems. Then attack them and blow them up. You will usually get enough loot to cover the cost of your ship losses. #5 Stay in system in watch them continue to attempt to mine in their pods. And they will warp to the station to drop off their ore/ice and then come back and continue to mine...IN A POD. You will be able to watch them continue this cycle for a long time. Usually withing 15min to 1 hour they will disappear from system or say something in local.
Me and my friend killed a guy this week in a .6 system. We all lost our ships at a cost of about 5mil. We looted a named ice harvester upgrade worth about 100mil. We watched the ice miner continue to attempt to ice harvest and do the warp in and out thing.
After half an hour of watching this guys macro run...he said something in local. He wanted to know why we killed him and demanded we pay him 250mil to cover the loss of his mack. We said no, and that he should not be a macro mining. And we also told him that if he had been paying attention, that he would have seen us and warped off prior to being killed. He told us, that he was not macro mining despite the fact that we all watched his pod continue to ice mine for 30 min.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.09.29 19:08:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Lady Feelgood
a story
If that is true you should have reported him after he waped in station and returned in the pod the first time, as it was cleary a macro.
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Kannuk
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Posted - 2007.09.29 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Kannuk on 29/09/2007 23:41:38
Originally by: 0Nailz0 I'm still a noob to Eve and don't appreciate MacroMiners but I don't see how this destroys the Eve Market exactly. People put in a buy order for Mins.in exchange for ISK. The macrominer fills the ore/mins need and collects the ISK. He then sells this ISK to someone on Ebay. The person buying the ISK obviously needs the ISK for an immediate purchase or else why pay RL cask for it? So now instead of some miner holding onto the ISK for however long, it is fired immediately back into the economy. This can actually stimulate the economy because it is probably a Eve noob that can't afford sh*t without the services of said macrominers' ISK. So now, instead of a noob waiting and saving for months for that Implant or whatever, he is now injecting that ISK today. Are macrominers cheating because they mine while AFK? Yes. Are all of the ore reserves mined before the replenish days every week? No way, especially the lowgrade stuff. So now you have people that are cheating by mining ore that may have not been mined and replaced by new ore. That unmined ore would not have been refined and not have been turned into ISK and not put into the economy.
In closing, I don't agree with macrominers. I don't, but my very limited understanding of economics can't find where they are actually hurting the economy. Please, elighten me so I can understand where you all coming from. Again, I am an Eve noob myself so I would appreciate any and all critisism of my post. Please note that I am now used to people finding ways to cheat in every damn FPS that I have ever played so it doesn't faze me as much when it comes to someone Macro'ing while they sleep or whatever.
subverting the gameplay in the process and gaining huge advantages against anyone else, allowing illegal money making off trademarked and copyrighted content, real world theft, being involved and perpetuating it. also consider that supply and demand dictates that since all this is being mined, means that minerals will slowly be worth less and less, since the automation makes the time involved not important, hurting real miners and making mining unprofitable for a real person. how can you say not a ruined economy? thx for playing.
Originally by: Captain Budwieser Edited by: Captain Budwieser on 14/05/2006 01:07:12
how do i know this? i had a long chat via google translator with a chinese person that claimed to be a 19 year old girl who played 12 hours a day 6 days a week in return for lodgings she controled 4 med barges and a hauler on 1 PC in a room full of people doing the same thing in shifts
there was no macro involved
man, she'd only have to work 5 minutes a night at most, for me, 7 days a week for free lodgings. some people dont know how to find the good deals
for you people defending your right to selling and using the minerals.
cheater makes can, using cheat program fills can with minerals. minerals only exist because of cheating. taking minerals, with intent to sell them because its easier than doing it yourself. making profit off of minerals gained through cheating.
would you tell the story of how you're the unsung and maligned heros of the game, pretty please?
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Kannuk
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Posted - 2007.09.29 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Aluap What we all deem to be macro miners mostly turns out to not be a macro at all, but someone mining and hauling. Ive helped liberate ore, ive petitioned ive tried everything. Petitioned and told GMs to come look.
What happens is because these accounts are run by people, when the respond to investigations it removes any 3rd party involvement. And because of that it not bannable because there is an actual person sat at then keyboard.
What puzzles me is that these account run 23 hours a day 7 days a week. So shouldn't that set alarm bells off?
These people get paid to play EVE. And if you are getting paid to play EVE it means only one thing. And its not a nice clean fantastic job :)
Its everywhere and spoils the game for the real players. That said, EVE has become pretty much dependant on it and the economy would probably suffer if it was stopped instantly.
There are people out there that pay for isks and while ever that happens we will see these players with the dodgy names.
this should be the best way of tracking them down and banning them. at the very least, it means people are using the same account in shifts, or account sharing, and at most it means automated. if these types of accounts get logged actually playing a consistent 23/7, that should be a clue. no other single person would play a whole week and stay alive.
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Death4free
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Posted - 2007.09.30 00:44:00 -
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if u dont like mms move 2 0.0
i live in 0.0 and tbh if i saw an mm i would jump on the chance 2 pop him...his pod...and possibly his can if i didnt have a hauler present
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TrevHead
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Posted - 2007.09.30 12:37:00 -
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just remember guys everybody who doesnt respond to convos isnt a macrominer. Cos if im watching a vid ill ice mine in my retriver and just leave enough of the eve window open so i can see who comes into local,if ive finished a cycle or if the aggression timer starts.
I know some of u guys will say its my own fault for not having 2 monitors by hey im just a pauper
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Escuro
Caldari Alfa Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.30 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: Escuro on 30/09/2007 22:03:40 Well, i did profit from Mm-s once, btw a nice job =) at least these ISK won't go to eBay. But anyway, I don't think that canning MM-s is good, cause the market is getting flooded with minerals anyway, which does drop the prices and makes the game less profitable for miners. And that is really bad.
CCP needs to change some 1.0-0.5 security policy making mm-s impossible to tank AFK. Maybe ganging up NPC's and a little nerf for hulk and mack? Could lower the resists and 1 NOS-npc to kill the shield booster? Or a crazy idea of canning NPC-s , that try to steal from your can - not a problem for player miners, as the drones do the job and a kill for the mm-s
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