what are the numbers on marauders?

[Machariel, warp speed]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Gist C-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Projectile Metastasis Adjuster II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II

If you are in the mission blitzing business, consider this Machariel that will warp with a high grade Ascendancy 5.8 AU faster than a Frigate :).

the cool kids armor tank their machs nowadays.

I've never been able to make an armor mach make sense over a shield mach given you'll be shooting angels. I'd love to armor tank one (delicious Tracking Computers) but giving up shield explosive resist seems silly. =/

Nightmare might be comparable to the Machariel with the AB buff. Also note the Mach got a targeting range buff, but it's align time and scan res were nerfed.

I don't know if the Rattlesnake changes equal a buff or a nerf. I'm still a little undecided on the Gurista ship changes. Only 2 drones???

Yeah I saw someone post it (Nightmare) would get 1000m/s with an AB, but when I plug it into HQF I am getting 444m/s. I am sure that can be adjusted for skills, AB meta and whatnot, but it really isn't that hard to take the current speed and multiply it by 130%.

Yeah I saw someone post it (Nightmare) would get 1000m/s with an AB, but when I plug it into HQF I am getting 444m/s. I am sure that can be adjusted for skills, AB meta and whatnot, but it really isn't that hard to take the current speed and multiply it by 130%.

EDIT: Goddamnit someone beat me to it. Leaving the post because I spent longer typing it. :(

Conclusion:
The biggest recent nerf to LvL 4 mission runner and any anomalie(null and WH) farmer was the warp speed change. A BS needs about 1:30min to warp 25 AU in a system. That is killing the ISK/h severly. With a high grade Ascendancy the coming Machariel will warp like a Destroyer. And please don't tell me the Rattlesnake will be superior because of ~1400 DPS, that is what a good fitted Machariel is doing anyway with far better damage application.


Welcome the old and new king of LvL 4 mission farming, especially if you are in the blitzing mission business there will be no better ship like the Machariel.

I don't know if the Rattlesnake changes equal a buff or a nerf. I'm still a little undecided on the Gurista ship changes. Only 2 drones???

I understand that. However if you lose 1 sentry, your damage is halved until you deploy a replacement drone; and that is if you were smart to have extras of that type and don't be stupid and carry only 2 of each type (which some will prolly do). With only 2 sentries, you will really have to be on top of your drone management even moreso than people were with 5. I really don't see how a Rattlesnake can be justified now over a Domi.

I understand that. However if you lose 1 sentry, your damage is halved until you deploy a replacement drone; and that is if you were smart to have extras of that type and don't be stupid and carry only 2 of each type (which some will prolly do). With only 2 sentries, you will really have to be on top of your drone management even moreso than people were with 5. I really don't see how a Rattlesnake can be justified now over a Domi.

I understand that. However if you lose 1 sentry, your damage is halved until you deploy a replacement drone; and that is if you were smart to have extras of that type and don't be stupid and carry only 2 of each type (which some will prolly do). With only 2 sentries, you will really have to be on top of your drone management even moreso than people were with 5. I really don't see how a Rattlesnake can be justified now over a Domi.

Rattlesnake sentries will have 2.5 times as many hitpoints as they currently do and you'll only have 2 health bars to watch. I feel like you're focusing on the wrong problem if you're worried about losing so much dps when a sentry goes down.

I've never been able to make an armor mach make sense over a shield mach given you'll be shooting angels. I'd love to armor tank one (delicious Tracking Computers) but giving up shield explosive resist seems silly. =/

so stop shooting angels...?

About the Rattlesnake, forget it, even with 2x TP and a web you won't hit Cruisers very good with your CM. You may switch to Torps but good luck with that and your below 25km effective range.

The new Rattlesnake will be a very good short range PvP boot with Torps and others providing 2xTP + web on your target but that's it.

[quote=Medai Kesrith]

When it comes to PvE, this new rattlesnake is nothing short of an absolute machine. I've flown with a friend in a fleet typhoon sporting something like 1300-1500 dps and it goes through PvE content like a vengeful god, you've never seen the likes before. This new rattler will have even more damage and the stupid tank. The only thing keeping that typhoon in check is the tank is a little flimsy, not so with the new rattlesnake.


I'm a Mach/Vargur pilot and believe me when I tell you this thing is going to be a monster, they've probably (slightly) overdone the buffs imo.
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Could you please share the secret of 1300-1500 dps on Rattlesnake :)
Also I'm not sure if Vargur will get a shiny buff?

[quote=noraus][quote=Stein Backstabber][quote=Medai Kesrith]

Launchers, sentries and damage mods. It's not rocket science.

The vargur is already insane :)

Conclusion:
The biggest recent nerf to LvL 4 mission runner and any anomalie(null and WH) farmer was the warp speed change. A BS needs about 1:30min (corrected ~65s) to warp 25 AU in a system. That is killing the ISK/h severly

Welcome the old and new king of LvL 4 mission farming, especially if you are in the blitzing mission business there will be no better ship like the Machariel. Depending on how you calculate you can spare at best 20min or at worst 10min per hour not wasting in warp.

so stop shooting angels...?

I've seen people rave about the likes of the fleet phoon here but having seen it myself...wow. The new rattler is basically that on steroids.

For armor vs shield mach, armor mach all the way.

Et tu, Djego

I understand the Rattlesnake has this cool thing where I can use 2 drones and pretend their 5 but other than reducing server load how is this a benefit? Now to a possible downside. Before when NPC rats aggro your drones you lost 20% DPS pulling that drone in. Now you're going to lose 50%.

It does some awesome DPS close up with torps but this won't work for missions unless you plan on MWD to everything. The travel time will cut your actual DPS.

It never got a drone range bonus so this means using lower DPS long range drones to compensate. How is this going to compare with the Dominix?

Just some thoughts

Nobody really uses torps for pve any more since the changes to CMs. With Fury CMs the new RS can do over 1.5k dps(missile + drone dps) in a realistic setup up to 45km.

The main advantage of the AB bonus on the NM is cap use and avoiding the cap penalty of the mwd. You also don't really burn on top of things with it(it is to slow for that) but move it in a range where you can do good damage(with curators and T2 Tachs this means around 50km).

The point is a mwd fitted Mach\RS\navy phoon or a ab fitted NM can still shoot while it moves in a good damage range, dishing out just as much dps as most domi fittings and can deploy drones when they are in position for even more dps.

Et tu, Djego

Pull up EFT/PyFA and compare the damage curves for a TE equipped shield Mach and a TC equipped armor Vargur. Without TCs, the Mach is pretty lackluster even with an MWD.

Why would I use a Machariel if not shooting Angels?

I'd be interested to see an armor Vargur fit. The idea never occurred to me.

If you are in the mission blitzing business, consider this Machariel that will warp with a high grade Ascendancy 5.8 AU faster than a Frigate :).

And hopefully it will never occur to anyone ever. I fixed my original post.

for shooting other things? what the hell is wrong with you people, are you legally barred from using logic?

Pull up EFT/PyFA and compare the damage curves for a TE equipped shield Mach and a TC equipped armor Mach versus a TC equipped Vargur. Without TCs, the Mach is pretty lackluster even with an MWD.

edit: Ugh, what's the word for dropping entire sentence fragments?

The point is that the falloff differences between a TC Vargur and a TE Mach w/MWD are so great that the Mach won't necessarily be able to close the range fast enough to make up for the falloff differences.

At average you will need 1x jump, roughly 50AU to get to your mission, totalling 100AU to get back to your home station.

8 missions per hour
Battleship warp time = 2040s, 34min
Destroyer warp time = 1020s, 17min
Frigate warp time = 800s, ~13min


Best case you can shave off roughly 20min warp time that you aren't wasting. I call that significant.

Marauder basic warp speed = 2.2 AU

the thing is the Machariel will not only warp with 3.0 AU but gets the warp acceleration like a Cruiser too.

[quote=IIshira]
I looked more into this and noticed it lost the 50% bonus to missile velocity. This means rage toprs will hit out to 7.5 km and with javelin you're good to 13 km... Talk about close range... Blasters will hit out further.

The only use for the Nightmare I can see now is PVP where it uses it's AB bonus to burn on top of the target and smash it. It might be excellent for the role of hitting slow moving ships.

I don't see the AB bonus being useful in PVE since you'll spend more time burning to targets while you could have already killed them in a Dominix.

Shield Mach with 2x TC + 3x TE + 1xTII tracking rig
~1090DPS
TC set to 1x Range, 1x Tracking
Range = 4.1+66 km
Tracking = 0.09357

TC set to 2x Tracking
Range = 3.8+56 km
Tracking = 0.11018

Wait did you say a shield mach with 2 TC? After the prop mod you have 2 left. So what's the tank a XL SB and one Invuln? Would that work?

I don't think you know how warp mechanics work.

I'm not one to do a lot of mission declines, so I'm sure there is a better better strat to making isk for blitzing, but the 34 min bs time doesn't seem accurate. Ur saying that mission take longer to warp to than they do to complete.

Even if my numbers aren't correct cut 25% of the 100AU and only 6 missions per hour you will still spare 10min every hour you aren't wasting in warp.

@OP, you have made a hilariously terrible mistake. That mistake is the assumption that High Grade Ascendancy Omega is better than the WS-618 implant... which it's not. Even if you have the entire Ascendancy set, WS-618 still grants a more significant bonus AND it costs less than half of the price. Not only that, but WS-615 grants basically the same bonus as Ascendancy Omega would for 150mil... about one-tenth the prices you were looking at. I just can't understand what makes you notice the WS implants but forces you to not compare the numbers and simply assume the pirate implants are automatically better

I believe I saw a change to cap recharge on the Mach, could someone decipher the "-875" for me?

Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 5800 / 1154000ms(-875) / 5.02

Has anyone considered forgoing a prop mod and using sentries to make up the DPS loss from not being able to move closer to the target? From eyeballing the EFT DPS curves, a MWD, three TC Mach needs to be ~25km closer to equalize the raw DPS of a drone Mach. Downside is that blitzing tends to require an MWD or MJD.

Raw DPS: 918 guns + 292 drones = 1210 DPS
Range:
* guns: 4.2+69km
* drones: 52km + 48km, 84km control range
Tank: 400 against Angels for 4m24s
Warp: 5 AU/s with ws-610 implant


[Machariel, Level 4- Drones]
Co-Processor II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster

800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Bouncer II x4

Has anyone considered forgoing a prop mod and using sentries to make up the DPS loss from not being able to move closer to the target? From eyeballing the EFT DPS curves, a MWD, three TC Mach needs to be ~25km closer to equalize the raw DPS of a drone Mach. Downside is that blitzing tends to require an MWD or MJD.

I really want to see the face of those Marauder's tank&spank bastion & projection point of view defender guys to see their isk/hour going down in flames against to these speed buffed beasts. Hell... Even speed of my Vargur was nerfed... Good missioning out there sitting in your bastion.

And again, gratz to those Mach and Nightmare pilots.