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Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:10:00 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:I believe that some people might have an issue with AFK cloaking. Intriguing. How did you reach this conclusion? could it be related to the years upon years of badposting on these very forums complaining and whining about AFK cloaking?
Oh? You state there have been others before me who have noticed and expressed displeasure with this particular issue of gameplay within EvE?
While I understand that it's possible that someone might have expressed this, I do not believe it.
You're probably just trying to stop me from pointing out the failed mechanics of cloaking that you personally exploit for your own advantage, or you want to stop me from talking about it so you can steal the credit for my noticing and addressing this issue first.
Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3598
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:12:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote: this particular issue of gameplay within EvE
AFK Cloaking is gameplay
At least that's been settled. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |

Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
139
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:12:00 -
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BrundleMeth wrote: It is absolutley hilarious that I can wreak havoc among the masses by walking away from my keyboard. Which means it isnt dumb but brilliant.....
You're not creating havoc on the masses. You're not even at your keyboard.
BrundleMeth wrote:Yes, because you want it, it should happen.
That's a childlike response. You should be able to read that like an opinion. Because I want it, I will say so. As a matter of fact, I'll slam in an idea as in how. So yes... I think it should change. |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
464
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:17:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Divine Entervention wrote: this particular issue of gameplay within EvE
AFK Cloaking is gameplay At least that's been settled.
So is mining AFK, right? I could very well bring a procurer to an asteroid belt, start up the strip miner on a nice fat juicy rock, and have it mine for 15 minutes or so. That's what the "code" thing is about right? Stopping miners from going AFK while mining?
Well, you can't stop a cloaker from performing his cloaking activity while AFK. And as i described above, he could be twitch streaming an important location to all of his corporation members with no risk of being stopped, which isn't the issue, but doing it AFK is.
Now since the player has no real means to combat it, the mechanic has to be changed.
Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Sibyyl
531
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:21:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:You dont wear clothes in a pod I remember some neofuturistic bandage fashion on my corpse when I last got podded.. |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
993
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:22:00 -
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3600
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:23:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:
Now since the player has no real means to combat it, the mechanic has to be changed.
Combat what?
Doing nothing?
Wow, scary *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3600
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:24:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:You dont wear clothes in a pod I remember some neofuturistic bandage fashion on my corpse when I last got podded.. What adults do in the privacy of their own pod is their business *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |

Menkary Hardluck
The Scope Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:27:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:I'll take Divine's bait and give a serious reply. Already made one on atleast 4 other threads about AFK cloaking... but... I got some time so here goes:
I have a problem with AFK cloaking. Not because of the cloak thing, but because of the AFK thing. You may consider CODE's philosophy of AFK mining. I feel that way about AFK cloaking. If you want to spend your entire day watching, thats fine. If you enjoy just sitting there, thats fine. If you laugh when carebears dockup because of it, thats fine.
BUT
If you're dumb enuff to go AFK, I want you to lose your ship.
So what I want is an activation cycle on a cloak. Not a very short one. I mean, if you decloak while your bomber lands on grid, throwing a bomb will be... challenging. I want a cycle that enables current gameplay to remain viable. Information warfare, spying, having eyes, scouts etc. All good. So lets say 5 min. I want a cycle that rids me of guys that slam in a cloaky and go to work for 8 hours. If you AFK, you die. Nothing personal.
Now like I said; this is not an original reply. But... still.
I think I have to agree with this suggestion. Mining has a 3 minute cycle, so you can't be totally afk while you do it. AFK cloaking for 8 hours while you go to work should get you killed. |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
464
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:27:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:
Now since the player has no real means to combat it, the mechanic has to be changed.
Combat what? Doing nothing? Wow, scary
Cloaking is an activity. Being able to perform that activity while AFK with no ability for others to stop it is what's wrong with it.
Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3602
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:28:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:
Cloaking is an activity. Being able to perform that activity while AFK with no ability for others to stop it is what's wrong with it.
Do you feel this way about all activities that others are unable to stop? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
464
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:28:00 -
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Menkary Hardluck wrote:Yarda Black wrote:I'll take Divine's bait and give a serious reply. Already made one on atleast 4 other threads about AFK cloaking... but... I got some time so here goes:
I have a problem with AFK cloaking. Not because of the cloak thing, but because of the AFK thing. You may consider CODE's philosophy of AFK mining. I feel that way about AFK cloaking. If you want to spend your entire day watching, thats fine. If you enjoy just sitting there, thats fine. If you laugh when carebears dockup because of it, thats fine.
BUT
If you're dumb enuff to go AFK, I want you to lose your ship.
So what I want is an activation cycle on a cloak. Not a very short one. I mean, if you decloak while your bomber lands on grid, throwing a bomb will be... challenging. I want a cycle that enables current gameplay to remain viable. Information warfare, spying, having eyes, scouts etc. All good. So lets say 5 min. I want a cycle that rids me of guys that slam in a cloaky and go to work for 8 hours. If you AFK, you die. Nothing personal.
Now like I said; this is not an original reply. But... still. I think I have to agree with this suggestion. Mining has a 3 minute cycle, so you can't be totally afk while you do it. AFK cloaking for 8 hours while you go to work should get you killed.
You can set it to auto, so it can go longer than 3 minutes until either the rock is depleted or the ore hold is full. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Salvos Rhoska
1183
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:29:00 -
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No local, no problem. ------------ |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
464
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:34:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:
Cloaking is an activity. Being able to perform that activity while AFK with no ability for others to stop it is what's wrong with it.
Do you feel this way about all activities that others are unable to stop?
I don't know, I don't know all of the possible activities that exist yet for me to properly answer if I'd feel this way about them or not.
If you'd like to make a thread about a particular activity that is performed while AFK in space that cannot be interfered with by other's playing EvE, feel free to make a thread about it and eventually I'll check it out and decide if it's worth responding to. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3603
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:37:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:
Cloaking is an activity. Being able to perform that activity while AFK with no ability for others to stop it is what's wrong with it.
Do you feel this way about all activities that others are unable to stop? I don't know, I don't know all of the possible activities that exist yet for me to properly answer if I'd feel this way about them or not. If you'd like to make a thread about a particular activity that is performed while AFK in space that cannot be interfered with by other's playing EvE, feel free to make a thread about it and eventually I'll check it out and decide if it's worth responding to.
ok cool well youll excuse me if I dont seek your permission to play the game as its written *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |

BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:37:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:BrundleMeth wrote:Yarda Black wrote:If you're dumb enuff to go AFK, I want you to lose your ship... Yes, because you want it, it should happen. It is absolutley hilarious that I can wreak havoc among the masses by walking away from my keyboard. Which means it isnt dumb but brilliant..... dude , this thread's been about Kane's hair for a while now, keep it on topic. Damn it, I'm ALWAYS a dollar short and a day late... |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
464
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:40:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:
Cloaking is an activity. Being able to perform that activity while AFK with no ability for others to stop it is what's wrong with it.
Do you feel this way about all activities that others are unable to stop? I don't know, I don't know all of the possible activities that exist yet for me to properly answer if I'd feel this way about them or not. If you'd like to make a thread about a particular activity that is performed while AFK in space that cannot be interfered with by other's playing EvE, feel free to make a thread about it and eventually I'll check it out and decide if it's worth responding to. ok cool well youll excuse me if I dont seek your permission to play the game as its written
I've never said you had to seek my permission to do anything you want.
But I have suggested that CCP implement a mechanic to prevent AFK cloaking, since the players have no mechanism to combat it themselves. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5373
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:42:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:
But I have suggested that CCP implement a mechanic to prevent AFK cloaking, since the players have no mechanism to combat it themselves.
Utterly wrong.
And can we get back on topic here? Kane's hair is completely unacceptable, we need to do something about it. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Salvos Rhoska
1183
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:44:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
And can we get back on topic here? Kane's hair is completely unacceptable, we need to do something about it.
Kanes mane is glorious, and despair onto anyone who would dare to approach him with a pair of scissors inhand.
It is, like Samson', the root of his power. ------------ |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
994
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:48:00 -
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i like it, its reminiscent of that other cannibal Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á The Best Quote EVER Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3603
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:49:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:
But I have suggested that CCP implement a mechanic to prevent AFK cloaking, since the players have no mechanism to combat it themselves.
So far, I cant see your objections other than its something you feel you cant do something about
When I asked whether it was all activities you couldnt interfere with that you had a problem with, you asked me to list them, with the additional caveat that it had to be in space so you could tell me if you approved or not.
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5373
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:49:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
And can we get back on topic here? Kane's hair is completely unacceptable, we need to do something about it.
Kanes mane is glorious, and despair onto anyone who would dare to approach him with a pair of scissors inhand. It is, like Samson', the root of his power.
That's precisely the problem, have you seen his pic this last few weeks? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
465
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:51:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:
But I have suggested that CCP implement a mechanic to prevent AFK cloaking, since the players have no mechanism to combat it themselves.
Utterly wrong. And can we get back on topic here? Kane's hair is completely unacceptable, we need to do something about it.
OK so you can prevent my AFK cloaking.
I issue you a challenge, a bet.
I bet you 100mil ISK that I can go into an empty system, go AFK cloaked somewhere inside of it, and you'll not be able to find and stop me from it.
After I go into this empty system and go AFK cloaked, you can bring AS MANY PEOPLE as you want to come help you find me.
If you find me, I'll pay you 100mil isk.
If you cannot within 23 hours, you pay me 100mil isk.
Deal? Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
141
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:52:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
And can we get back on topic here? Kane's hair is completely unacceptable, we need to do something about it.
Kanes mane is glorious, and despair onto anyone who would dare to approach him with a pair of scissors inhand. It is, like Samson', the root of his power.
You know what? I'm gonna AFK cloak in his coupe and when he's used to me, I'll drop a pair of scissors with haircut on him.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
994
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:53:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:
But I have suggested that CCP implement a mechanic to prevent AFK cloaking, since the players have no mechanism to combat it themselves.
Utterly wrong. And can we get back on topic here? Kane's hair is completely unacceptable, we need to do something about it. OK so you can prevent my AFK cloaking. I issue you a challenge, a bet. I bet you 100mil ISK that I can go into an empty system, go AFK cloaked somewhere inside of it, and you'll not be able to find and stop my afk cloaking. After I go into this empty system and go AFK cloaked, you can bring AS MANY PEOPLE as you want to come help you find me. If you find me, I'll pay you 100mil isk. If you cannot within 23 hours, you pay me 100mil isk. Deal? only if you promise not to shiptoast while you do it. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á The Best Quote EVER Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5373
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:55:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote: Deal?
I have never seen anyone fail to understand the relationship between predator and prey as hard as that. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
465
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:56:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:
But I have suggested that CCP implement a mechanic to prevent AFK cloaking, since the players have no mechanism to combat it themselves.
So far, I cant see your objections other than its something you feel you cant do something about When I asked whether it was all activities you couldnt interfere with that you had a problem with, you asked me to list them, with the additional caveat that it had to be in space so you could tell me if you approved or not.
This thread I created was about AFK cloaking. If you wish to bring up another matter to me you would like to discuss, feel free to create your own forum thread about it.
I'm not saying I wont speak with you about it, just not here. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Salvos Rhoska
1184
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:56:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: only if you promise not to shiptoast while you do it.
Correct. Else it would not be true afk. ------------ |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
465
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Posted - 2014.04.26 11:57:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: only if you promise not to shiptoast while you do it.
for a fee of 500m isk, I will not.
Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
465
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Posted - 2014.04.26 12:00:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Divine Entervention wrote: Deal?
I have never seen anyone fail to understand the relationship between predator and prey as hard as that.
So you refuse.
Alright then, I guess that means I can assume you understand there's no real mechanic to stop another player from going AFK and cloaking risk free in space.
Which every other facet of eve that involves flying around in space, being AFK carries a very real risk of losing your ship, unlike AFK cloaking.
The only one failing to understand the relationship between predator and prey is you, because you wish to protect AFK cloakers from the same risk everyone else takes when they choose to go AFK in space. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
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