This thread I created was about AFK cloaking. If you wish to bring up another matter to me you would like to discuss, feel free to create your own forum thread about it.

I'm not saying I wont speak with you about it, just not here.

So you refuse.

Alright then, I guess that means I can assume you understand there's no real mechanic to stop another player from going AFK and cloaking risk free in space.

The only one failing to understand the relationship between predator and prey is you, because you wish to protect AFK cloakers from the same risk everyone else takes when they choose to go AFK in space.

What Im trying to work out is why you are against it? Why do you feel it is in someway broken when, given how long cloaks have functioned in this way, CCP dont agree.

given how long cloaks have functioned in this way, CCP dont agree.

You dont wear clothes in a pod

Why I'm against it should have no bearing on it's being considered a legitimate issue or not, you're trying to make the argument personal, about the person, when you should be focusing on the argument itself, the point.

Argue the point, not the person.

But I am. People are afraid and worried.... And I'm not even there...




That's a childlike response. You should be able to read that like an opinion. Because I want it, I will say so. As a matter of fact, I'll slam in an idea as in how. So yes... I think it should change.

No, I reject your concept because you don't have a clue what you're talking about, and are attempting to set up an exercise under a false premise.



If you are talking about a "hard counter" when you say "mechanic", then no.

But there are still several ways around it nonetheless.



No, that would be CCP who wishes that. You know, seeing as how the last few literal years of people crying about how they won't undock with a red in local hasn't swayed them to change the mechanic even a little bit.

I am

I dont know what your point is if you cant say why you are in support of that point

That makes a lot of people unlikely to be swayed to your point of view

If you dont want people to agree that it should be changed, then by all means fail to provide a reason

It's your opinion I don't have a clue

which is proven wrong with the fact that I understand there's no way to stop someone from afk cloaking, which you refuse to demonstrate how to stop.

I've listed multiple reasons why already.

Read this thread, throughout the course of your reading, you'll see them:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=339691

If I go AFK in a tayra uncloaked, there's a very real possibility someone can find my ship and blow it up, which is a risk I assume when I choose to go AFk in my tayra.

If I go AFK in a heron cloaked, there's no real possibility someone can find my ship and blow it up, which is a risk that doesn't have to be assumed by someone going AFK after cloaking.

In a game you'll argue RISK permeates every activity, the activity of AFK cloaking remains defended.

You contradict yourselves. If you truly want Risk to be involved in all aspects of game play, then you must agree with there being a risk associated with going AFK while cloaked.

To do anything else would be hypocritical of your own stated beliefs.

If I go AFK in a heron cloaked, there's no real possibility someone can find my ship and blow it up, which is a risk that doesn't have to be assumed by someone going AFK after cloaking.

folks.

Risk vs Reward

Whats the reward in AFK cloaking?

Yet again he makes a category error, folks.

Here's the difference between an AFK miner and an AFK cloaked player. The miner is making money and effecting the game with no input on his part. Mining, as a concept, is broken, and should be changed to disallow this.

The AFK cloaker, on the other hand, has zero interaction with other players mechanically.

The two things are worlds apart.

Argumentum ad publicum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_audience

Risk vs Reward

Whats the reward in AFK cloaking?

An AFK cloaker could be gaining a reward by recording, or broadcasting on twitch, the activities happening in a particular area, granting free information with no possibility to stop it.

Information is valuable, that's why people put in an effort to spy on others, for information.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4514977#post4514977

Also, if that's not good enough, I could go afk on one account stationed outside of an enemy staging/basing area.

I could focus on the undocking location, and turn on fraps, recording all activity that takes place within my ship's field of view, to later use that information gathered to profile their activities. All at zero risk of being caught, with the reward of information, information being a valuable commodity.

Meta.

Not mechanic.

If you think Twitch streams provide any kind of meaningful intel, then I suppose you are as green as you keep saying you are

If you think Twitch streams provide any kind of meaningful intel, then I suppose you are as green as you keep saying you are

I see, no real argument other than wishing to save your precious cloaked space ship from predators while you go afk in space.

You "prey", you're always so quick to try and persaude yourself and others to stop making suggestions that might retract your risk-averse safety net.

No, you just fail to realize that there is no problem.

An afk player cannot kill you. And if he does, then he wasn't afk after all, so his actions are 100% legitimate. Your fault for not paying attention.

An afk player cannot kill you..

No, you just fail to realize that there is no problem.

Twitch is just a placeholder since most people know that it's a game play streaming website, but there are others.

One could be broadcasting their point of view to their corpmates while they're away at work. Giving their corp mates private, uninterruptable information in real time, with zero risk.

This is EvE guys, if you want to play a game that shelters you from taking risks, you need to go play another game.

EvE is not meant for the risk averse.