You close your eyes to the problem to protect yourself because you're afraid of risk.

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There is no way to kill the afk cloaked player.

No, the people who are afraid of risk

You know, the gutless cowards.

That would be the AFK cloakers who cannot be made targets of aggression.

1. OP posts a post with a new (lol) idea that always boils down to some variation of the following:
- "There's a big meanie who is sitting in my system and not doing anything, but I don't know where he is and I can't ever just go next door. I can't find said meanie and even though I know that he's probably at work and poses no threat at all, I wont do anything in my system that I absolutely can't leave ever because he might not be at work and I might lose a ship. CCP please stop the meanie from being able to do nothing to me because he's probably at work"

2. Thread gets trolled because its been done literally to death. This horse has been beaten so hard and so often that it's little more than a memory of a memory of a red smear on the grass, and yet it STILL WONT DIE! In fact it's been done so many times that this particular horse is now undead; even if it does die, it will still be remembered and parodied.

3. Someone comes along and suggests that AFK cloakers can't hurt you, because they are, by their very definition, AFK. No one ever lost a ship to someone who ISN'T PLAYING THE GAME.

4. Someone else comes along and points out that while the cloaker might be AFK, he might not be, and so we have Schrodinger's Hot Dropper. The cyno pilot who might be AFK... but he might not be as well, and you will only know for sure when he decloaks, points and lights his candle. (Yes, I know this isn't how the cat works)

5. Someone else comes along and suggests that you use bait and setup a TARP. Or have a defence fleet on standby. Heaven forbid you have to actually fight to defend your space.

6. A further person comes along and suggests that the problem isn't cloaking AFK in your system that you can't possibly leave ever, but that you KNOW that the person is AFK in your system... and perhaps local should be removed because free 100% accurate intel is probably not the best thing in the game and if you didn't know that the big meanie was in your system, you wouldn't be worried about leaving the undock/POS.

7. Then another person pokes their head in and complains that local is 100% NEEDED because D-Scan and probing are such bad mechanics, and IF YOU TAKE MY LOCAL AWAY IM QUITTING FOREVER AND NO YOU CAN'T HAVE MY STUFF!

8. Someone asks if they can have 7's stuff.

We end up with another thread which goes on for pages and pages between complains about local, defence fleets, inability to just go next door, people who aren't playing the game but are playing the meta, lots of bickering and in the end nothing gets solved. CCP wont remove cloaking because it would mess with waaay too many things and it creates content (which is a good thing) by removing content (which is a bad thing) but they can't really think of any way to do it without a complete overhaul of the local and scanning systems.

Now that I've had this entire thread's conversation, can we just let it die? Please?

Ok let me make it simpler if you are going to argue semantics

Visual intel is worthless. A DScan gives you exactly the same info.

And you dont have to be AFK to do the things you are complaining about either

You can gather visual intel (for what its worth) by flying around cloaked and active

So again, what makes AFK cloaking so rewarding?

now can we please get back to finding a solution for Kains

You know, the gutless cowards...
the people who are afraid of risk

HURRDURRR

Read it again.

My corporation is at war with you.....You live in Null Sec, so you can see when someone comes into your system. You even know I'm there, but you regard me as an AFK cloaker because you can't find me on scan and I've been there for a long time.

I'm at work, but my character is still logged in, cloaked, afk. He's broadcasting what he sees. While I'm gone, my AFK cloaker sees 40 members of your corporation undock and sit outside of station. One of my corporation mates sees this on the stream I am providing while cloaked and AFK, he then notifies my corporation, and they form up.

Now maybe what you were doing is something you wanted to rely on the element of surprise.

the game needs to adapt.

No, because they aren't having any effect on the game. It's pretty much being docked. Someone who is docked can't kill you from the station, either, but you can't kill them, I guess we better nerf that.

risk averse

That would be the AFK cloakers who cannot be made targets of aggression.

The afk cloakers are the risk averse, and the ones immune from player aggression.

Why would you wardec a Nullsec corp in the first place?


Yup, which is why you see the Jump Bridge open and BAMPH we are somewhere you arent.



No, you need to adapt your tactics to how the game works.

If CCP decide to change anything, then we adapt.

Its as simple as that.

There is no tactic to combat an AFK cloaker.

So since I can't adapt to stop it, a change needs to be made to give me the tools/opportunity to begin employing and adapting tactics.

So we can kill you everywhere, we're really mad at you and we like chasing you to high sec and killing you there too.

Yup, but now we know you've mobilized and are actively doing something, and according to my friend Joe, knowing is half the battle. Even if you go somewhere else, knowing where you are not is beneficial as well.

There is no tactic to combat an AFK cloaker. So since I can't adapt to stop it, a change needs to be made to give me the tools/opportunity to begin employing and adapting tactics. Uncloaking a cloaked ship that is determined AFK would give me the opportunity/tool I need to potentially stop that person.

So since I can't adapt to stop it, a change needs to be made

Should anyone undocked ever be truly free of risk?

If yes, carebear.

If no, stop AFk cloaking.

Beneficial in what way?

So Ive got an 80 man Blops fleet out

so.... what?

That Ibis that pops in and out of the dock every three seconds could be doing exactly the same thing as your "scary" afk cloaker

Or he could be about to activate a cyno

Id ask why you havent got a spai in the corp if counting our Sins and Widows is that important to you

how old are you?

That Ibis popping in and out of the dock isn't doing it afk.

If he's about to activate a cyno, then he's not afk.

And maybe you caught our spy, maybe one of your members is getting paid by us to tell us what you're doing, and the confirmation from that "spy" through the use of my AFK cloaker broadcasting what's really happening is now confirmed and we know that we can trust him.

And back to

"I dont like it, so it must be wrong"

Off-topic stuff

And back to

"I understand there is no counter towards my going AFK cloaking and I don't want CCP to stop it even though every other aspect of going AFK in space has a counter, meaning I want to keep my advantage even though it's unstoppable."

And back to

"I understand there is no counter towards my going AFK cloaking and I don't want CCP to stop it even though every other aspect of going AFK in space has a counter, meaning I want to keep my advantage even though it's unstoppable."