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Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
466
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:22:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Divine Entervention wrote: And back to
"I understand there is no counter towards my going AFK cloaking and I don't want CCP to stop it even though every other aspect of going AFK in space has a counter, meaning I want to keep my advantage even though it's unstoppable."
This is circular. There is no advantage, and you have been unable to convince me of the awesome power of the AFK cloaker, so we will have to disagree on this one. But please let me know when you next lose something to someone who isnt there
I've listed a possible advantage, information. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
466
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:23:00 -
[152] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:So since I can't adapt to stop it, a change needs to be made And back to "I dont like it, so it must be wrong" And back to "I understand there is no counter towards my going AFK cloaking and I don't want CCP to stop it even though every other aspect of going AFK in space has a counter, meaning I want to keep my advantage even though it's unstoppable." No, we're still on: "Divine Entervention argues about things he has no clue about". Your inability to correctly play an aspect of the game has no bearing on the balance of the game itself. All it says is that you are not up the task. Get better.
Kaarous,
Should anyone undocked ever be truly free of risk? Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
998
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:23:00 -
[153] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Off-topic stuff Ralph I'd like to ask you a question present you with the same logical fallacy about EvE that encompasses the topic of AFK cloaking since it's an overall question about EvE. ftfy, Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á The Best Quote EVER Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5390
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:23:00 -
[154] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote: I've listed a possible advantage, information.
That being a meta advantage.
It requires no mechanical change because it simply does effect the game in a mechanical way. Being cloaked at a safe, you might as well be docked up, they are functionally identical. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3613
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:24:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:
I've listed a possible advantage, information.
And Ive told you its worth the paper its printed on
Whether these things are our opinions doesnt change the fact that I dont trust visual intel from a third party or that its reliable or useful. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
466
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:25:00 -
[156] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:
I've listed a possible advantage, information.
And Ive told you its worth the paper its printed on Whether these things are our opinions doesnt change the fact that I dont trust visual intel from a third party or that its reliable or useful.
Ramona,
Should anyone undocked ever be truly free of risk? Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5390
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:25:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote: Kaarous,
Should anyone undocked ever be truly free of risk?
While I am a Sith Lord, and thus licensed to deal in absolutes, I reject that one.
There are numerous circumstances in which someone who is undocked can be free of risk. It's up to the player to use the game mechanics to provide safety for themselves.
Cloaking devices are one of those mechanics. Fortunately they are balanced out in such a way as to prevent a player from taking any actions besides movement while being cloaked. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Salvos Rhoska
1187
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:25:00 -
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Implement specialised Probes or Launcher for detecting Cloaked vessels.
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Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
466
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:26:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Divine Entervention wrote: Kaarous,
Should anyone undocked ever be truly free of risk?
While I am a Sith Lord, and thus licensed to deal in absolutes, I reject that one. There are numerous circumstances in which someone who is undocked can be free of risk. It's up to the player to use the game mechanics to provide safety for themselves. Cloaking devices are one of those mechanics. Fortunately they are balanced out in such a way as to prevent a player from taking any actions besides movement while being cloaked.
I asked a simple question Kaarous, please answer with a yes or a no.
Should anyone undocked ever be truly free of risk? Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5395
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:27:00 -
[160] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Divine Entervention wrote: Kaarous,
Should anyone undocked ever be truly free of risk?
While I am a Sith Lord, and thus licensed to deal in absolutes, I reject that one. There are numerous circumstances in which someone who is undocked can be free of risk. It's up to the player to use the game mechanics to provide safety for themselves. Cloaking devices are one of those mechanics. Fortunately they are balanced out in such a way as to prevent a player from taking any actions besides movement while being cloaked. I asked a simple question Kaarous, please answer with a yes or a no. Should anyone undocked ever be truly free of risk?
Offering a false dichotomy does not necessitate or mandate it's being answered as a legitimate question.
I gave you your answer, whether it was the one you wanted or not. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
466
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:27:00 -
[161] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Divine Entervention wrote: Kaarous,
Should anyone undocked ever be truly free of risk?
While I am a Sith Lord, and thus licensed to deal in absolutes, I reject that one. There are numerous circumstances in which someone who is undocked can be free of risk. It's up to the player to use the game mechanics to provide safety for themselves. Cloaking devices are one of those mechanics. Fortunately they are balanced out in such a way as to prevent a player from taking any actions besides movement while being cloaked. I asked a simple question Kaarous, please answer with a yes or a no. Should anyone undocked ever be truly free of risk? Offering a false dichotomy does not necessitate it's being answered as a legitimate question. I gave you your answer, whether it was the one you wanted or not.
That's alot of words you just used with none of them being either a yes or a no.
Should anyone undocked ever be truly free of risk?
Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Salvos Rhoska
1187
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:28:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Did not answer direct question
Pathetic. ------------ |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5395
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:29:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Did not answer direct question Pathetic.
As a fake lawyer, you of all people should recognize a false dichotomy when one is thrown out that blatantly. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
466
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:30:00 -
[164] - Quote
Would anyone else like to step in for these 3?
Toss them a life line?
Feel free to phone a friend.
Sell them forum posting insurance? Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5395
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:32:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Would anyone else like to step in for these 3?
Toss them a life line?
Feel free to phone a friend.
Sell them forum posting insurance?
No, but I am more than happy to sell you a Mining Permit. Only 10 million isk for 365 days, a bargain anyone with a calculator can appreciate. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
466
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:32:00 -
[166] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Would anyone else like to step in for these 3?
Toss them a life line?
Feel free to phone a friend.
Sell them forum posting insurance? No, but I am more than happy to sell you a Mining Permit. Only 10 million isk for 365 days, a bargain anyone with a calculator can appreciate.
I see through you.
Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5395
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:33:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Would anyone else like to step in for these 3?
Toss them a life line?
Feel free to phone a friend.
Sell them forum posting insurance? No, but I am more than happy to sell you a Mining Permit. Only 10 million isk for 365 days, a bargain anyone with a calculator can appreciate. I see through you.
Power Unlocked: Ethereal Form. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3614
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:34:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:
Ramona,
Should anyone undocked ever be truly free of risk?
Risk from being attacked or all risks financial, emotional and combat related? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
466
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:37:00 -
[169] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:
Ramona,
Should anyone undocked ever be truly free of risk?
Risk from being attacked or all risks financial, emotional and combat related?
Within EvE. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Salvos Rhoska
1187
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:38:00 -
[170] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:As a fake lawyer, you of all people should recognize a false dichotomy when one is thrown out that blatantly.
You know its illegal to falsely claim another person is a lawyer, who is not a lawyer?
But yes, its hilarious how once again you are losing this argument so attrociously badly, that you have to try to resort to pathetic excuses like yours, which infact just dig your hole even deeper.
I am laughing at you, hard. You are an unending source of utter amusement and vindication for me, by comparison of the fact that someone as daft as you actually exists in the world out there.
Keep trying. You will never amount to anything. You just don't have what it takes. This is the "best" you can do. ------------ |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
998
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:41:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:As a fake lawyer, you of all people should recognize a false dichotomy when one is thrown out that blatantly. You know its illegal to falsely claim another person is a lawyer, who is not a lawyer? But yes, its hilarious how once again you are losing this argument so attrociously badly, that you have to try to resort to pathetic excuses like yours, which infact just dig your hole even deeper. I am laughing at you, hard. You are an unending source of utter amusement and vindication for me, by comparison of the fact that someone as daft as you actually exists in the world out there. Keep trying. You will never amount to anything. You just don't have what it takes. are you certain you were reading this thread? Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á The Best Quote EVER Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Salvos Rhoska
1187
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:43:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:are you certain you were reading this thread?
Yes.
The one he was losing, again, so he made, again,for the upteenth time, his false and infact criminal allegation. ------------ |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3614
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:43:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:
Ramona,
Should anyone undocked ever be truly free of risk?
Risk from being attacked or all risks financial, emotional and combat related? Within EvE.
Yes, within EvE
Do you mean all of the above? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4897
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:43:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:So I'm not certain, but I believe that some people might have an issue with AFK cloaking. Though I see no actual evidence that others might actually hold this opinion, since I know it's a possibility it exists, I feel this thread would be a good place to discuss what I believe potentially could be the answer to a possible AFK cloaking problem.
We can't see them. So here's probably the best suggestion to afk cloaking:
Make them visible.
Just like, make it so they can't be targeted and stuff.
Thank you for reading this, I hope to be of further assistance in the future regarding answering the questions to the problems you might not even realize you have yet.
Ace, is that you?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
466
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:45:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:
Ramona,
Should anyone undocked ever be truly free of risk?
Risk from being attacked or all risks financial, emotional and combat related? Within EvE. Yes, within EvE Do you mean all of the above?
Within EVE is my answer. If you feel what you've listed is a risk within eve, then yes, that's what I mean. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
466
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:47:00 -
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You wont agree that everyone should be without risk when undocked because then that means it shatters your "afk cloaking" defense.
You wont agree that not everyone should be without risk when undocked because then that means it shatters the foundation of your claims in your arguments when you state "eve is about risk".
I understand this.
You do too, which is why you wont answer it.
It's very clear to all of us what needs to be done if we wish to state with 100% honesty that "eve is a game about risk". You might not "want" it to happen, but you should also respect that what you feel should take a backseat when it comes to what EvE should be, a game about risk. That's been a major crux of your arguments when imposing how you feel things should be, and you don't want to lose it. So, to maintain it, you have to do what's right and you have to NOT OPPOSE the implementation of a mechanic to prevent one from remaining cloaked while AFK. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5397
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:51:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote: You do too, which is why you wont answer it.
Why would anyone answer such an obvious false dichotomy? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
998
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:54:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Divine Entervention wrote: You do too, which is why you wont answer it.
Why would anyone answer such an obvious false dichotomy? more to the point, why dose he keep trying it?
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Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
3104
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:56:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Ace, is that you?
hasn't brought up how great world of warcraft is yet |

Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
466
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Posted - 2014.04.26 13:57:00 -
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You wont answer it because you know what it would mean. It would mean your argument is false.
I'll reiterate for good measure: Please answer this question with a simple yes or no.
Should anyone undocked ever be truly free of risk?
Do you want me to answer it first? If you want me to answer it first, I will. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
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