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Lardarz B'stard	Posted - 2006.05.19 21:16:00 - [31] Hmmm Looks like Lardarz 'Amarr and Caldari Specialist' B'stard got well and truly shafted. Never Mind. Exiles Recruitment
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.05.19 21:18:00 - [32] Edited by: Joerd Toastius on 19/05/2006 21:18:20 Originally by: videorecorder Yeah. 1400's that outdamages Tachs hands down use no cap and tach2's that use redicilously 4125mw has no chance of keeping up. Yeah natural whiner indeed. Tach II stats You'll note that POWER GRID is 4125MW and ACTIVATION COST (ie, cap usage per shot) is 95 Energy. Contrast with 1400mm II stats Where you'll see POWER GRID is 3575 and ACTIVATION COST is 3 Energy.
BoinKlasik	Posted - 2006.05.19 21:20:00 - [33] rawr @ ganglinks but still a patch is a patch, i can deal with that. doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
keepiru	Posted - 2006.05.19 21:22:00 - [34] Edited by: keepiru on 19/05/2006 21:22:27 1400mm II: 3575MW, 47tf Base DPS: 12.84 Base Tracking: 0.009rad/s 48km optimal, 35km falloff Tachyon II: 4125MW, 63tf Base DPS: 20.736 <------ thats without the 5% boost Base Tracking: 0,0139205 rad/sec 53km Optimal, 20km falloff The poor mistreated amarr As an amarr pilot (among other things) im ashamed to be associated with people like you in any way. ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
videorecorder	Posted - 2006.05.19 21:26:00 - [35] Originally by: keepiru The poor mistreated amarr ORLY? Is this with or without ship bonus?
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.05.19 21:30:00 - [36] Edited by: Joerd Toastius on 19/05/2006 21:33:45 +25% damage -25% ROF gives you a 1.6x multiplier. Boosts your DPS to 21.4 at BS5. BS4 19.26. This is on a Pest btw. But then, of course, you can only fit six turrets, to the geddon's seven and the apoc's 8, and the geddon has a 5% ROF bonus, which at level 5 boosts you to 26.9 dps, plus the extra turret giving you an effective comparative 31.395, and the Apoc a comparative 27.6. So yes, even with ships taken into account, the Tach wins.
keepiru	Posted - 2006.05.19 21:35:00 - [37] Edited by: keepiru on 19/05/2006 21:36:07 Ooo, how predictable. Ok lets run armgaeddon vs tempest! It just so happends you can fit 7 tach IIs on geddon vs. 6 1400 IIs on pets and have about 50 grid left on either ship! ^_^ Again, no other skills applied - just base damage + ship bonuses (because im lazy). 1400 II: 44(6.91.25)/(23.630.75)6=128 Tach II: 48(5.4)/(12.50.75)*7=186 <- again, this is without 5% boost So, with that over, and as someone who flies amarr about 50% of the time, let me say it again: Oh, the poor, mistreated amarr. I think that counts as a tech II spanking. ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
videorecorder	Posted - 2006.05.19 21:39:00 - [38] Edited by: videorecorder on 19/05/2006 21:39:23 Originally by: keepiru Edited by: keepiru on 19/05/2006 21:36:07 Ooo, how predictable. Ok lets run armgaeddon vs tempest! Yet a tempest only needs em and thermal hardners to tank a geddon. 'predictable'? Pffft.
keepiru	Posted - 2006.05.19 21:41:00 - [39] Edited by: keepiru on 19/05/2006 21:42:22 Please, go home, youre only making a fool of yourself :) BTW, are you related to Detaurus by any chance? ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.05.19 21:41:00 - [40] Originally by: videorecorder Edited by: videorecorder on 19/05/2006 21:39:23 Originally by: keepiru Edited by: keepiru on 19/05/2006 21:36:07 Ooo, how predictable. Ok lets run armgaeddon vs tempest! Yet a tempest only needs em and thermal hardners to tank a geddon. 'predictable'? Pffft. Stay on topic. "Do 1400mm IIs do more damage than Tach IIs under similar circumstances?" You said: yes The answer is: no Next question please.
Love Ya	Posted - 2006.05.19 21:47:00 - [41] Dear Kieron/Devs /CCP What about the Covert Recon ships and the problem you cannot fit Covert Ops cloacking device and a Cyanosural field module >?
videorecorder	Posted - 2006.05.19 22:01:00 - [42] Originally by: keepiru Edited by: keepiru on 19/05/2006 21:42:22 Please, go home, youre only making a fool of yourself :) BTW, are you related to Detaurus by any chance? Yes. Infact hes my twin. Your point being?
videorecorder	Posted - 2006.05.19 22:01:00 - [43] Originally by: Joerd Toastius similar circumstances?" Is there even such a thing?
keepiru	Posted - 2006.05.19 22:04:00 - [44] Well, that expalins it then, youre both woefully misinformed whiners who ignore facts ^_^ ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Drokar Gazer	Posted - 2006.05.19 22:13:00 - [45] Sad.. CCP.. where are the promised changes to the Hawk? You stated an upcoming patch.. isnt this an upcoming patch? Why did you decrease dmg to precision missiles? And then increase damage and fitting reqs for other ships. Im really getting sick of the constant nerf / boost crap. The game has been live now for 3 years. Why are we still fixing ships and mods from the original publish? If they are not balanced by now dammit they wont ever be balanced so just leave them the **** alone for crying out loud. We spend thousands of hours training skills for them to be nerfed. Now precision are worthless so thanks... really worth that 30 days training t2 cruise missiles. Get ur f'n act together and do what you promised and leave stuff alone unless it is game breaking or exploit. This is why other games failed. Dont succumb to the theory that just because you have a job you therefore feel that you must do 'something' to fill up your day. Work on expansions or bugs.. but for the 10th time in this post, stop the nerf / boost. Its old. _________________________________________ Drokar Gazer CORSETS and CAREBEARS [BDSM]
keepiru	Posted - 2006.05.19 22:15:00 - [46] Ship bonus changes wont make it in because of issues with changing when not doing a full contect update. This has been stated by tux (repeatedly) in various forums sections, and the changes are highlited as "this wont make it" in his original post in ships & modules and have been for days. ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Kayl Breinhar	Posted - 2006.05.19 22:29:00 - [47] Edited by: Kayl Breinhar on 19/05/2006 22:29:25 One thing I don't really agree with is the AF sig radius change. Sure, it's not right that they're closer to Interceptor sig-wise, but it would stand to reason that the companies modifying the T1 frame would give them SOME reduction, just not as much as exists now over the T1 base ships.
videorecorder	Posted - 2006.05.19 22:31:00 - [48] Originally by: keepiru Well, that expalins it then, youre both woefully misinformed whiners who ignore facts ^_^ Both? You are adressing me and...? I think you need to lay off the quafe. Clearly its not doing you any favours.
qrac	Posted - 2006.05.19 22:31:00 - [49] Originally by: keepiru Edited by: keepiru on 19/05/2006 21:36:07 Ooo, how predictable. Ok lets run armgaeddon vs tempest! It just so happends you can fit 7 tach IIs on geddon vs. 6 1400 IIs on pets and have about 50 grid left on either ship! ^_^ O RLY? HAHAHAHA ------------------------------------------- Boycott Starforce!
videorecorder	Posted - 2006.05.19 22:37:00 - [50] Quote: Originally by: keepiruEdited by: keepiru on 19/05/2006 21:36:07 Ooo, how predictable. Ok lets run armgaeddon vs tempest! It just so happends you can fit 7 tach IIs on geddon vs. 6 1400 IIs on pets and have about 50 grid left on either ship! ^_^ I didnt even bother replying to this because of his ignorance.
keepiru	Posted - 2006.05.19 22:38:00 - [51] Edited by: keepiru on 19/05/2006 22:44:53 Edited by: keepiru on 19/05/2006 22:40:49 Originally by: qrac O RLY? HAHAHAHA Whoops wrong about that Doesent change the facts video: Youre WRONG about 1400 IIs doing more damage, youre WRONG about the ship bonuses making a difference to the above - geddon does 50% more dps - and youre WRONG about the tempest's uber anti-laser shield tank. Do you actually have any valid arguments, or are you just here for a leisurely troll? Lets sum it up, since you obviously cant read. Base dps with ship bonus applied: Tempest: 128dps, no grid mods Apoc: 165dps, no grid mods <- pre 5% boost Geddon: 186dps, 1 RCU II <- pre 5% boost So, how exactly does the 1400mm howitzer omgwtfpwn the tachyon beam in damage? ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Gitter Uglyson	Posted - 2006.05.19 22:39:00 - [52] I guess us people with Alliance POS in empire space will have to wait a while till other alliance members can use any Assembly array's then. Very dissapointed with this bug ... if it wasnt for the mobile labs .. it would make Alliance POS's in empire space only usefull to just the one corp.
QwaarJet	Posted - 2006.05.19 22:41:00 - [53] Where's the promised Hawk changes? I'm not bloody waiting until September for something as simple as that. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimter Of Wisdom.Run!"
Ysolde Xen	Posted - 2006.05.19 22:41:00 - [54] AF sig rad increase = bad, bad news for the AF pilots ----- It's not a crap ship, you're just flying it all wrong.
schurem	Posted - 2006.05.19 22:41:00 - [55] Play nice, 1400s havent been boosted at all. I wonder if the 1200s are going to be useful now. I shure hope so, because with my skills, they are a lot easier to fit than their big brothers. <<<< No Boundaries, No Fences, Fly Free Or Die Trying >>>> Typhoon for the win. Nastier than whats faster, faster than whats nastier!
videorecorder	Posted - 2006.05.19 22:49:00 - [56] Edited by: videorecorder on 19/05/2006 22:50:17 Originally by: keepiru Do you actually have any valid arguments, or are you just here for a leisurely troll? The fact that you would even consider fitting tachs on a geddon clearly proves you have no idea what so ever what you are talking about. I'm gonna type now something I rarely type.....n00b!!! Now crawl back to whatever quafe hole you came from.
keepiru	Posted - 2006.05.19 23:00:00 - [57] Ill repeat the question, and this time clearly and slowly, so even you can understand. How exactly, given the above-stated facts, do 1400mm howitzers outdamage tachyons? And furthermore, how is "you dont fit tachs on a geddon noob" a valid arguent, given that current tachs outdamage 1400s by such a large margin and yet only do 1% higher dps than megabeams? Especially given that you are the one who brought up ship bonuses. 1st you argue that 1400s outdamage tachs. when proven wrong, you mewl about ship bonuses... proven wrong again you fall back to "you dont fit that on that". Please make a coherent argument. I await your illuminating answer with eagerness. Sincerely yours, keepiru ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Leandro Salazar	Posted - 2006.05.19 23:11:00 - [58] Oh its Detaurus' evil twin... That really explains a lot. Especially the ignorance that he shows concerning the fact that not everyone has BB 5. I for one only have BB3 in both Amarr (Yes I DO fly them) and Minmatar Battleship and my Apoc way outdamages my Tempest. (And that even with BB 5 Tachs still do more damage even without the boost is totally unimportant too I guess) But of course what I say does not matter anyway because I: a) do not agree with him b) do not have 30 million skillpoints c) do not agree with him But yeah, Amarrs really need everyones pity with guys like you speaking on their behalf... ___________________________________ Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?
videorecorder	Posted - 2006.05.19 23:22:00 - [59] Originally by: Leandro Salazar really explains a lot. Especially the ignorance that he shows concerning the fact that not everyone has BB 5. Whats bb5? No seriously im curious. Not everyone has.....so by your book your maths is done from soemone who has 'bb1 and bb4'? Stupid.
videorecorder	Posted - 2006.05.19 23:23:00 - [60] Originally by: keepiru How exactly, given the above-stated facts, do 1400mm howitzers outdamage tachyons? Obviously you never flown both races.

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