lol whats a domi look like?

I'm all caught up on this thread, and although I won't make a decision quite yet, I do find the arguments for hull rigs affecting cargo to be quite compelling. I'll give it some more thought.

for the sake of consistency; bulkheads have a speed penalty, therefore so should the rigs.

does that mean, if you decide on a cargo penalty that you'd also change the penalty on bulkheads?

I won't rule it out, but changing one doesn't mean we'd NEED to change the other.

I won't rule it out, but changing one doesn't mean we'd NEED to change the other.

Hey everyone. Thanks for the feedback so far.

I just got back to work after a bit of post-fanfest death plague recovery. I'm working through a bunch of threads to catch up on what was discussed over Fanfest and the last two days.

I'm all caught up on this thread, and although I won't make a decision quite yet, I do find the arguments for hull rigs affecting cargo to be quite compelling. I'll give it some more thought.

I won't rule it out, but changing one doesn't mean we'd NEED to change the other.

Bulkheads reduce cargo, that doesn't mean these rigs would need to as well.

Considering the ships the hull rigs are most effective, i.e. Orca and Freighters, a cargo penalty would make their usefulness rather dubious.

trimarks and cdfe's are not stacking penalized either.

Stacking penalties go a long way to making rig and module combination choices interesting instead of just slapping a max number of one thing onto your ship, and this change will keep warp rigs competitive while also providing some more interesting choices around what your third rig should be.

I'm all caught up on this thread, and although I won't make a decision quite yet, I do find the arguments for hull rigs affecting cargo to be quite compelling. I'll give it some more thought.

Considering the ships the hull rigs are most effective, i.e. Orca and Freighters, a cargo penalty would make their usefulness rather dubious.

how about fixing hull reps/hullmods in the first place when you are planning on hull tanks?

to be honest a reduction in cargo it's not really a penalty on a bait hull tanked bs; and will be a very big hit on freighters; so maybe the speed penalty is the right thing for now

For freighters and Orcas, it really doesn't make a difference whether it's a cargo or speed penalty.

With a speed penalty: if you're on autopilot odds are good that you really aren't that worried about shaving a couple of minutes off of a trip (10-20 seconds per gate). If you're not on autopilot, it makes no difference.

If you do care about the time, you'll put on agility, velocity, and/or warp speed rigs.

With a cargo penalty: for freighters hauling high value stuff, a drop of 40-90K m3 won't be missed because the ship is probably only half-full anyway. For an Orca, if you're putting on hull rigs a loss of 2-3K m3 of cargo is insignificant, and the corporate and ship maintenance bays don't change.

If you haul a lot of high volume, low value stuff you'll put on cargo rigs.

For combat ships and fringe cases: a drop in velocity might matter, and a drop in cargo will rarely matter.

Personally, I'd rather see the cargo penalty.