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Nero Winger
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Posted - 2006.05.21 00:05:00 -
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why choose amarr race? how many reasons a player got to choose amarr race?
iI will tell you: 0, yes 0! (ZERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
why 0 you ask? easy question: amarr once was good now they suck and suck and suck. they suck because of CCP patching all races up and up and up, changing their damage modus, theitr damage bonuses and their ability to tank. Giving them abilitys to jam, to make different kinds of damage. and what gets amarr? they reuce the drone bay, then they reduce the damagebonuses of the ships and give them weapon capacity use bonuses on their battleships (!!!!????!!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?) by the way guys did you know?: tanking amarr on armos is the easiest think to do,, put on 1 EM hardener and 2 Thermal hardener and youll kill every Amarrian battleship if it dont drains you or ew you in any kind, and how to ew with 3 medium slots??? LOL. ok the slots arent the problem here.
the problem for me is that since 3 big patches all races were patched to the better only amarr not, or in the worse case all races stay the same but amarr will be downpatched. hehe lol ROFL!!!!!
today i read the patchnotes lol
you didnt even mention amarr races in any positive or negative kind.
ill tell you truly what im thinking about:
hmm...
my charackter flys amarr,
my charackter flys amarr HACS,
my charackter flys amarrian battleships with tech2 weapons
i skilled my charackter a year long to have a good pvp charackter and what can i do with a apocalipse? LOL i can mine, because its the best mining ship ingame so pls in the next patch add a mining yield bonus on my apocalypse that would be great.
oh ok im not shure if i will see the next patch in eve, why? its pretty senceless to skill a new race or a new charackter and pay even more money to CCP or waist time to skill other races on my charackter.
thank you for reading and good bye.
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.05.21 00:08:00 -
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I fly Geddons almost exclusively. Even I don't think Amarr is omgwtfunderpowered. Though I wouldn't mind an Explosive crystal...
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.05.21 00:09:00 -
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out of the 4 races i fly (yes, im that specialized  ) i fly amarr about 50% of the time...
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Idara
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Posted - 2006.05.21 00:11:00 -
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I hate flying Caldari more than anything, fly Amarr and Gallente HACs and BS's much more than Caldari ones, and Minnies just **** me off.
<3 Amarr.
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Jayalin
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Posted - 2006.05.21 00:14:00 -
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Amarr ships and weapons are dead sexy.
Reason enough. :)
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Zomiaen
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Posted - 2006.05.21 00:15:00 -
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Ahem, before making any more posts please write them in MS Word, then run spell check, copy, and paste into the forums. Thank you.
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Selena 001
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Posted - 2006.05.21 00:18:00 -
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I fly Amarrian for 1 reason, I dont have to prat about with ammo and reloading... 
The Apoc is also the best armor tanker, which is a nice bonus 
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Nero Winger
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Posted - 2006.05.21 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: Nero Winger on 21/05/2006 00:28:17
Zomiaen
-Ahem, before making any more posts please write them in MS Word, then run spell check, copy, and paste into the forums. Thank you.-
not everybody lives in america, freak
and for you, before posting think of something you could post that matter to anybody pls
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Sovy Kurosei
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Posted - 2006.05.21 00:30:00 -
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I like flying Amarr ships and I picked this character just so I could cover him up in a hood instead of showing his mug.
Yeah, an EM and two thermal hardeners will make reduce laser damage but what if you go up against a ship that uses missiles or projectiles? Or possibly even an Apocalypse that is equipped with projectile turrets? Besides, who hardens EM? If I was going to use three hardeners and armor tank I'd have a hardener for thermal, kinetic and explosive damage types. Seriouslly.
Amarr ships are good and sexy. A MWD or AB, two warp core scramblers and webber drones and you are good to go.
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pardux
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Posted - 2006.05.21 00:37:00 -
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♥amarr ships♥
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Nero Winger
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Posted - 2006.05.21 00:42:00 -
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truly i love to fly amarr ships they look best and i like them the most. but they just are not effective. since a tech2 blastertron kills every apoc on long and med range and a dominix kills every geddon on short range, a raven tanks every amarr bs easily and gives by tanking not less damageoutput than by not tankind and a tempest with tech2 large and a small tank kills your tanked ship very fast while your lasers make a damage that can only be called "huhh wft?" makes amarr bs pretty senceless in my eyes for pvp. i tried a lot of fittings and compared the ships datas with other battleships its kinda senceless to fit any apoc, a geddon is nice but not on longrange in a nice raid.
probably some of you should try some pvp and see whyt amarr truly can and cant.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.05.21 00:42:00 -
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Amarr are still quite good. The apoc may be sub-par as anything but a tank, but the 'geddon is an excellent PvP ship at both short and long range. The Zealot, the Arazu, and the Absolution also excel. The prophecy is a mixed bag - under the right circumstances, it is OMGWTFBBQ as far as BCs go, but under others it's kind of crap (of course, that can be said about most ships).
-Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
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Jo Deteis
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Posted - 2006.05.21 00:43:00 -
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Edited by: Jo Deteis on 21/05/2006 00:44:12
Originally by: Nero Winger
Edited by: Nero Winger on 21/05/2006 00:28:17
Zomiaen
-Ahem, before making any more posts please write them in MS Word, then run spell check, copy, and paste into the forums. Thank you.-
not everybody lives in america, freak
and for you, before posting think of something you could post that matter to anybody pls
i think he was referring to your actual spelling errors, not american/english spellings.
Also, i love that you're complaining about this, im sure you wasn't crying when caldari players got nerfed a while back, and though I haven't checked, I'm sure the Gallente and Minmatar have been nerfed at some point too.
Stop crying and get on with playing, or create a new character of a different race.
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KompleX
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Posted - 2006.05.21 00:43:00 -
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Idiot, your so wrong.
That's it for now, don't have anything more to say.
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2006.05.21 00:47:00 -
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unplug keyboard before posting?
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.05.21 01:01:00 -
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No complaints here - Amarr and proud :P
(and killing evil Minmatarts in Amarr ships only since 2003)
Now recruiting!
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Mishima
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Posted - 2006.05.21 02:09:00 -
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Best reason to pick amarr.
NO AMMO REFILLS.
My alt-char trained for a raven and one day i thought to myself, hmm gonna make him farm rats in 0.0.
BUT NOOOOOOO
you need to be in a system with stations and have friends and stuff wich sux.
In a geddon i can fit 7x tachs heatsinks and tracking enhancers go to the most boring and dusty system in 0.0 and stay there for months without ever refilling ammo and making billions.
IT IS A LUXURY
Though I think amarr ships are outmatched in 1v1 pvp fights vs any other battleship, they make the best fleet fighters. Geddons dronebay is very decent though.
Zealot is probably the 2nd best hac. (Ishtar being the best) Crusader is the best 2x medslot ceptor and by far the best low-sec beltpiracy ceptor.
Punisher owns for people starting out and can take them far in PvP and PvE.
Prophecy is the best BC tanker not to mention tanker/dmg BC.
Although I'd prolly pick Gallente if I was starting out today
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Arcterran
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Posted - 2006.05.21 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Winger
Edited by: Nero Winger on 21/05/2006 00:28:17
Zomiaen
-Ahem, before making any more posts please write them in MS Word, then run spell check, copy, and paste into the forums. Thank you.-
not everybody lives in america, freak
and for you, before posting think of something you could post that matter to anybody pls
When did America become the only English speaking country on planet Earth?
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2006.05.21 02:29:00 -
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I've flown amarr almost exclusively since I started eve and I've never felt underpowered.
Yes there are some things other race ships do better than ours, then again our ships are better at other things.
WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2006.05.21 02:38:00 -
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I've never learnt to fly amarr as a matter of principle, so I can only offer as a reason to fly amarr :
Because most of them look like they are constructed from 90% pure bling ?
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Laramon Questor
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Posted - 2006.05.21 03:06:00 -
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I started out Minmatar. I intended to fly Minmatar exclusively. But I couldn't make projectiles work. So I started trying hybrid. That was okay, but I wasn't happy. So then I tried missiles, and trained up Caldari. But I thought "What the Hell? I may not want to fly Amarr because they're too rounded and pretty, but let's try lasers?"
Eureka. I had a rifter firing lasers kicking ass in lowsec. Then I figured "I like lasers so much, and they work for me, let's make them better and train Amarr!"
And I've never regretted it. This nerf on Assault Frigs might be a little setback, but really, why would a Retribution have a smaller base signature than a Malediction anyways? (30 Retribution, 33 Malediction)
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.05.21 03:18:00 -
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(A) I don't care what country you're from, spellcheck is available in ALL countries.
(B) Amarr ships rock. I'm Caldari, and I'm getting drawn to them more and more...first a Punisher, now and Omen, now I'm just working on calculating how long it will take to get good in an Armageddon.
Just look at the Amarr RP corporations, a lot of them only use Amarr ships AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT and hence is able to fit against it, but they still kick ass left right and center.
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Falcun
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Posted - 2006.05.21 03:27:00 -
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Ha ha, how ironic. A post whose original intent was to show how Ammar supposedly suck, has convinced me to potentially create an Ammar alt. I gave myself a choice between Minmatar and Ammar, and eventually came to the conclusion I would be happier with Ammar.
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Dahak2150
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Posted - 2006.05.21 03:28:00 -
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Hi, I'm paper. Rock's fine, nerf scissors.
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Vertical
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Posted - 2006.05.21 03:42:00 -
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After more then 3 years and 12days dedicated training I must admit I feel left alone by ccp. 41m sp (me) against 15m sp (you name the race) and I might loose anyways.
Dear CCP,
I wonder whether it is possible to transfer all my accumulated sp's to an Gallente, Minmatar or Caldari char. I wasn't informed 3 years ago that Amarr was getting anhilated slowly by time.
regards,
an bump of the galaxy
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Don't select Amarr in character generation
screen if you don't like sticks and bananas!
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:01:00 -
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Amarr are just fine thanks
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Vertical
After more then 3 years and 12days dedicated training I must admit I feel left alone by ccp. 41m sp (me) against 15m sp (you name the race) and I might loose anyways.
Thats *ALWAYS* true, for any race. Its the beauty of this game.
If you think it would be different if you were gallente/caldari/minmatar-specced, youre delusional.
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Gordon Red
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:21:00 -
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I am fine with Amarr.
No recharge HAS to be paid for => only EM+Therm, but most T2 ships can use missles, too. => use some Expl+Kin
But sometimes I wish that I could have only one med slot more... 
BUT ANYWAY! => ALL MIGHT TO THE LAST TRUE EMPEROR!
That's the real reason you should play Amarr!
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Vertical
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:34:00 -
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I am not suprised that you amarr manufacture/researcher are fine with it. No clue.
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Don't select Amarr in character generation
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:41:00 -
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You seriously need your head checked.
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Vertical
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:44:00 -
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Edited by: Vertical on 21/05/2006 04:46:18
double post
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Don't select Amarr in character generation
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Nero Winger
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:45:00 -
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lol? who said that im talking american english or that american english is the only english? i hate forums, you guys dont even read posted things, wtf?
look im from croatia and rased in germany, learned british english in school. and now some guy comes to me and say hey spelling check? (lol) i wanna hear how you talk german when you rase in america or youn talk croatian when you rased in GB.
i never said that american english is the only english and i dont care bout that.
and pls guys who wont post anything related to the topic PLEASE DO NOT POST, HAVE A RL OR PLAY EVE!
nevermind, i dont even know why i posted anything cause forums sux.
have a nice stay
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Vertical
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: MysticNZ
You seriously need your head checked.
No arguments left, so getting personal? poor. Being an non-amarr -no clue too.
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Nero Winger
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:48:00 -
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and pls do not argument my english i think its not so bad.
i wanna hear you speak spanish while you learned it in school.
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Kalq Later
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:51:00 -
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Amarr is just fine, easy to kill. just put in 2 hardeners and we can pop'em. Not much nos'ing needed too. Excellent!
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Ouroboron
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:56:00 -
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I was comparing the Apoc and the Raven last night trying to figure ut my long term path. Lots of people swer by the Raven from what I can tell, and I was trying to figure out why. Near as I can tel, the only realy difference is in hard points, where the Raven has 4 more launchers.
Does 4 launchers instead of turrets, really make that much difference?
The only other real differences is around 1000hp give and take on shields/armor, and minor variation in small and medium slots.
I don't get it. What's so wrong with the Apoc?
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Calisto Cody
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Posted - 2006.05.21 04:59:00 -
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Edited by: Calisto Cody on 21/05/2006 05:02:03
*hugz her geddon and crusader* loves my bling ship!
2006.05.21 02:30
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Ouroboron
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Posted - 2006.05.21 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dahak2150
Hi, I'm paper. Rock's fine, nerf scissors.
That may be one of the funniest quotes I have seen, in a loooooong time.
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Ouroboron
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Posted - 2006.05.21 05:02:00 -
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What makes an Armageddon better for PvP than an Apocolypse?
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Gordon Red
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Posted - 2006.05.21 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Winger
and pls do not argument my english i think its not so bad.
i wanna hear you speak spanish while you learned it in school.
English is also not my native language, but your first post was pain in the ass to read! A simple spell check in Winword should not be too much and falls under netiquette.
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Mrmuttley
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Posted - 2006.05.21 05:14:00 -
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I am not a very specialized character I have all four races to a reasonable standard. When I came to choose a weapons specialisation it came down to laser spec or projectile spec. I chose projectile. Now that I have artillery and autocannon spec trained up to large I'm considering training pulse and beam laser spec up to large as well. Missiles are cool but I hate the amount of ammo you need away from stations and I just never got on with drones in a big way so there goes any plans for gallente specialistion. (even if the dominix rock atm )
All comes down to personal choice and besides your idea that fitting em and thermal hardners means you win is ridiculous. 1 vs 1 thats possible but soon as he brings a freind along in a Raven with kinetic and explosive damage your screwed because your only tanking 2 damage types. This is a team game and where possible the people in a fleet should try and balance each others weaknesses.
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Nero Winger
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Posted - 2006.05.21 05:18:00 -
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Edited by: Nero Winger on 21/05/2006 05:24:17
whats so wrong with the apoc?
look you got 8 turrets thats really nice, and i never fly the apoc because the armageddon is way better with their 7 turrets and a RoF bonus of 5% on bs skill lvl. did you know that caldari battleships has something called a X-Large booster? boosting a lot of shield hap in under 5 seconds by the way the caldaris do not have any other capacitor use than their shield tanking. their weapons do not use cap so they have a lot of it left to tank massevly, thats the reason why they are the battleangels and other ships weak. Maximum damageoutput cause they damage mods fit on low slot and maximum tankin ability cause the tank goes on the medium slot and has more than enough cap left (with relative good skills). aplayer with 15m skillpoints skilled on pvp will not have any chance to destroy a raven pilot with 12 million skillpoints skilled on pvp very hard, and that are some months of skiling. kinda unfair, aint it? thats not all, while caldairs do not even have to mess with trackingspeed and range they can fire like stupid rocketsilos all the time doesnt matter how fast the enemy is or how far he is. and didnt you see it? since Reed Moon Rising the caldaris get even better than before RMR. precission tech2 missiles kills every interceptor if the interceptor is in range. ok im fine with that, but how can i kill a interceptor with a laser large turret? i mean without fitting energy neutrolizers or heavy nos while i want a long range fitting in that heavy nos or neutrolizer just dont make any sence? caldari can vady with all damagekinds while amarr got only 2 and one of em is the easiest to tank in the whole game (when firing on armortanked enemys) but as caldaris anyway have 0% on em resistance a caldaripilot would be stupid if he do not fit minimum 2 active em hardener so it do not matter that amarr make em damage.
also the apocalypse is kinda senceless cause its the only lvl2 battleship that do not have any damagebonus, caldari got 5% RoF mod per skill level, Megathron 5% damage plus 7,5% trackingspeed, Tempest have 5% on damage and 5% on RoF. and what have the apocalipse? 600m^3 cargo cause it has so much things to carry when going on battels like i dont know 4 difference crystalls times 8 (4*8*1m^3=32m^3).
i think thats enough, im bored out talking in forums trying to reach somebody of CCP because the petition system do not work. Ill just think myself my part about eve.
since i came from Mankind to EVE (Mankind a game owned by CCP and Vibes) i allways thought CCP takes care bout fairness in the game but im not shure of that anymore when i see my position or the position of other player haveing a amarr charackter and skilling other races cause amarrr start to sux by every patch even more.
fly safe.
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Aduras Cartailin
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Posted - 2006.05.21 05:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ouroboron
What makes an Armageddon better for PvP than an Apocolypse?
The Geddon has an extra mid slot, which is where most of the PVP modules go.
With Amarr BS 5, a Geddon with six large laser turrets does the same DPS as an Appoc with eight of the same large laser turrets. With Amarr BS 3, a Geddon with 7 does 3% more DPS than an Appoc with 8.
The Appoc's addvantage is that it can use hybrids and projectile turrets without losing much DPS.
Originally by: Mrmuttley
All comes down to personal choice and besides your idea that fitting em and thermal hardners means you win is ridiculous. 1 vs 1 thats possible but soon as he brings a freind along in a Raven with kinetic and explosive damage your screwed because your only tanking 2 damage types. This is a team game and where possible the people in a fleet should try and balance each others weaknesses.
Also you have to consider drones, or an Amarr ship outfitted with projectiles (not too uncommon with the Appoc, Proph, Maller, and Punni).
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Gordon Red
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Posted - 2006.05.21 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Aduras CartailinAlso you have to consider drones, or an Amarr ship outfitted with projectiles (not too uncommon with the Appoc, Proph, Maller, and Punni).[/quote
Maller and Punni => no drone bay
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2006.05.21 06:06:00 -
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Spellcheck and a high school education are the only things that can save this thread.
PS: I'm sure CCP will balence it out eventually, they usually do.
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Aduras Cartailin
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Posted - 2006.05.21 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: Gordon Red
Originally by: Aduras Cartailin
Also you have to consider drones, or an Amarr ship outfitted with projectiles (not too uncommon with the Appoc, Proph, Maller, and Punni).
Maller and Punni => no drone bay
The Maller and Punni aren't part of the drone group, just the projectile fitting group.
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Nemain
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Posted - 2006.05.21 06:39:00 -
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Amarr have in my view only 3 faults, none of which are overly bad, ok maybe no. 3 is
1. Medium beams on frigs
2. Heavy beams on cruisers
3. Khanid (with the exception of the curse, which I am sure was just an accident and will soon be nerfed back into line).I pass blood every time I use a (Ball)Sac(k)riledge or vengence, or maybe I have just been eating too much tomato Ketchup. Either way, ass pain is the order of the day for khanid ships.
Other than that no real complaints. true amarr lack flexibility and little if any variation to speak of (be that in damage types or fitting), but they make up for it in specialisation. How many other races can field self sustaining infinitank BS that can deal decent damage and never run into cap and ammo issues, only Amarr. This account specialises in all races frigs,cruisers and weapons but my other 2 accounts have 40+mill sp mostly if not entirely devoted to amarr.
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Nemain
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Posted - 2006.05.21 06:55:00 -
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Edited by: Nemain on 21/05/2006 06:56:31
Originally by: keepiru
Originally by: Vertical
After more then 3 years and 12days dedicated training I must admit I feel left alone by ccp. 41m sp (me) against 15m sp (you name the race) and I might loose anyways.
Thats *ALWAYS* true, for any race. Its the beauty of this game.
If you think it would be different if you were gallente/caldari/minmatar-specced, youre delusional.
This is spot on, and worth baring in mind in future. Like I said this account is specialised in all races up to cruiser, that includes all the t2 ships and weapons, (looks like another 18months before I can even consider getting to BS  ), this has shown me that the grass is not always greener on the other side. Each race has it's high and low point's. It's a credit to CCP current balance that when they do make balance changes, they are for the most part very small, which goes to prove there is not really much in it between each race. Take the projectile cap removal, sounds big when you read it, but in practice it is merely a formality that projectiles currently use cap. They use so little it's not really going to notice when it goes. All it means is that min get a little more cap on AC setups for maybe an extra cycle of the rep or booster. If you get to thinking your chosen race has it bad, just take a look in the forums, you will see that there are equal moans about every race on a daily basis.
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Kaladr
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Posted - 2006.05.21 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ouroboron
What makes an Armageddon better for PvP than an Apocolypse?
The Geddon has an extra mid slot, which is where most of the PVP modules go.
It does? How come I only have 3 on my geddon? I want my 2 extra mid slots!!!!shift11!!!11!
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Kaladr
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Posted - 2006.05.21 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Winger
Edited by: Nero Winger on 21/05/2006 05:24:17
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. did you know that caldari battleships has something called a X-Large booster? boosting a lot of shield hap in under 5 seconds by the way the caldaris do not have any other capacitor use than their shield tanking. their weapons do not use cap so they have a lot of it left to tank massevly, thats the reason why they are the battleangels and other ships weak. Maximum damageoutput cause they damage mods fit on low slot and maximum tankin ability cause the tank goes on the medium slot and has more than enough cap left (with relative good skills). aplayer with 15m skillpoints skilled on pvp will not have any chance to destroy a raven pilot with 12 million skillpoints skilled on pvp very hard, and that are some months of skiling. kinda unfair, aint it? thats not all, while caldairs do not even have to mess with trackingspeed and range they can fire like stupid rocketsilos all the time doesnt matter how fast the enemy is or how far he is. and didnt you see it? since Reed Moon Rising the caldaris get even better than before RMR. precission tech2 missiles kills every interceptor if the interceptor is in range. ok im fine with that, but how can i kill a interceptor with a laser large turret? i mean without fitting energy neutrolizers or heavy nos while i want a long range fitting in that heavy nos or neutrolizer just dont make any sence? caldari can vady with all damagekinds while amarr got only 2 and one of em is the easiest to tank in the whole game (when firing on armortanked enemys) but as caldaris anyway have 0% on em resistance a caldaripilot would be stupid if he do not fit minimum 2 active em hardener so it do not matter that amarr make em damage.
also the apocalypse is kinda senceless cause its the only lvl2 battleship that do not have any damagebonus, caldari got 5% RoF mod per skill level, Megathron 5% damage plus 7,5% trackingspeed, Tempest have 5% on damage and 5% on RoF. and what have the apocalipse? 600m^3 cargo cause it has so much things to carry when going on battels like i dont know 4 difference crystalls times 8 (4*8*1m^3=32m^3).
i think thats enough, im bored out talking in forums trying to reach somebody of CCP because the petition system do not work. Ill just think myself my part about eve.
fly safe.
omg. Use capital lets every now and then.
A Raven is not a 'battleangel and all other ships are weak' (well, besides the phoon, poor phoon). Sure they have a a very fast shield recharge rate, but here is the trick: it doesn't last very long at all. Its death to your cap in no time. And Caldari have one of the smallest capacitors in the game.
The Apocalypse is not a worthless ship. Sure it misses a damage bonus (remember: lasers have the damage bonus built in more or less), but look at the capacitor. Look at the armor hit points. Its the best utility BS and one of the best raw tanking BSes around. Its grid also allows fitting Tachyon IIs, which are redicuously tight on an Geddon.
And if you haven't sniped and instapopped an interceptor in a Geddon/Apoc, you're doing somethign wrong.
The raven is easy for missions. But its not an IWin button for eve.
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Kaladr
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Posted - 2006.05.21 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nemain
Edited by: Nemain on 21/05/2006 06:59:10
Amarr have in my view only 3 faults, none of which are overly bad, ok maybe no. 3 is
1. Medium beams on frigs
2. Heavy beams on cruisers
3. Khanid (with the exception of the curse, which I am sure was just an accident and will soon be nerfed back into line).I pass blood every time I use a (Ball)Sac(k)riledge or vengence, or maybe I have just been eating too much tomato Ketchup. Either way, ass pain is the order of the day for khanid ships.
1. They're still small guns. Yes they're called mediums, but thats how it goes. The Typhoon also has a dumb description in game. Its an EVEism.
2. Ditto.
3. Ok, Vengeance is not so hot. But don't diss the Sac. Look at what that thing can tank. Its not an omggank HAC like the Zealot, but its very powerful.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2006.05.21 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Winger
Stuff
An XL shield booster and a shield boost amplifier perform very similarly to a pair of large armour repairers.
The raven is pretty difficult to beat 1vs1 by pretty much anything else right now, good thing 1v1 doesn't happen very often.
Precision missiles are being nerfed in the next patch.
If your enemy starts firing missiles at you from more than 20k, you can warp out, if he's a long way further than 20k, you have a fair chance to warp out before they even start to hit you, this is not true for an enemy firing turrets at you.
Most heavily armour tanked ships will aim to get resists to all damage types as high as possible, since EM is already the highest, it tends to get the least attention in fitting.
Few raven pilots will waste a third of there mid slots tanking vs EM, at most, they will have one EM hardener and a couple multispectrals (EM won't be much higher than any other resist, if it isn't the lowest).
The Apocalypse has far more capacitor energy/recharge than any other battleship, this allows it to run lasers and still tank as well or better than any other ship, that is its speciality.
5% damage on the megathron, 5% RoF on the tempest are needed to bring there weapons effectiveness up near that of lasers, which have higher base damage at the expense of higher cap use - this makes those bonuses the equivalent of the amarr battleships cap use bonus.
I don't pretend to completely understand the argument about cargo space, the battleships all have similar amounts, of which amarr usually have the most free to put cap charges in since crystals aren't that big.
The petition system is for help with game problems, the customer support team won't be able to answer questions on balance or possible changes I don't think.
Crowd Control Productions has to my knowledge never had anything to do with Mankind, eve-online being the one and only game the company has ever worked on.
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Posted - 2006.05.21 07:46:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Kaladr
Originally by: Nemain
Edited by: Nemain on 21/05/2006 06:59:10
Amarr have in my view only 3 faults, none of which are overly bad, ok maybe no. 3 is
1. Medium beams on frigs
2. Heavy beams on cruisers
3. Khanid (with the exception of the curse, which I am sure was just an accident and will soon be nerfed back into line).I pass blood every time I use a (Ball)Sac(k)riledge or vengence, or maybe I have just been eating too much tomato Ketchup. Either way, ass pain is the order of the day for khanid ships.
1. They're still small guns. Yes they're called mediums, but thats how it goes. The Typhoon also has a dumb description in game. Its an EVEism.
2. Ditto.
3. Ok, Vengeance is not so hot. But don't diss the Sac. Look at what that thing can tank. Its not an omggank HAC like the Zealot, but its very powerful.
I'm sure she meant:
1.(Trying to fit) Medium beams on frigs.
2.(Trying to fit) Heavy beams on cruisers.
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Posted - 2006.05.21 07:52:00 -
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I dont think the Apoc is a "mining ship" it makes a good tachyon II platform for PvP (tachyons are soon to be boosted lets not forget). Its the best PvE ship imho because it tanks really well and you dont have to go back to a station every time you run out of ammo.
Dronebays were reduced on all ships and the damage was increased to compensate, 5 medium drones are still rather tastey. True Amarr are easy to tank but there turrets still do alot of damage.
The only thing wrong with Amarr imho is the medium beams which are hopelessly difficult to fit on frigates as they were intended, and thus only used on anti-frig cruiser's.
Of course i would love to see Amarr get a boost, but i dont think they need it at the moment.
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Kaladr
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Posted - 2006.05.21 07:56:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Zyrla Bladestorm
I'm sure she meant:
1.(Trying to fit) Medium beams on frigs.
2.(Trying to fit) Heavy beams on cruisers.
Probably right  I need sleep.
Anyway, I can agree with that. Its tough unless you start adding in lots of MAPC and RCUs, which isn't helping you much.
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KingAc
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Posted - 2006.05.21 07:57:00 -
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Amarr is uber.
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Jon Xylur
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Posted - 2006.05.21 09:13:00 -
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Amarr ships are very good. I prefer Gallente, but since both ship armour tank I use Amarr ships too. Caldari are ofcourse vastly superior to all other races but theres nothign we can do about it cause devs love Caldari...
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Posted - 2006.05.21 09:30:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 21/05/2006 09:30:20
Originally by: Nero Winger
today i read the patchnotes lol
you didnt even mention amarr races in any positive or negative kind.
Don't cry. My alt has cruise and heavy missile specialization. I'd been happy to read nothing about Caldari in these patch notes.  Good thing is, I'm Minmatar. 
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Atom HeartMother
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Posted - 2006.05.21 09:34:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Wild Rho
I've flown amarr almost exclusively since I started eve and I've never felt underpowered.
Yes there are some things other race ships do better than ours, then again our ships are better at other things.
Listen to Wild Hoe
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.05.21 10:20:00 -
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Can the amarr whining please stop already ?
Or at least can it get moved to the ships$modules forum where it belongs alongside the rest of it ?
Let me add one thing. I recently started a new character. It's to become a combat/industrial hybrid char specialised on one race only.
Guess what range I chose after some deliberation ?
Right.
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FooB2
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Posted - 2006.05.21 10:28:00 -
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im sorry, i wasn't aware that because i live in ENGLAND, i dont speak ENGLISH
i swear, if i was an examining body in your school, youd be the only kid with FAILED stamped across his IQ test.
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Posted - 2006.05.21 10:30:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Ouroboron
What makes an Armageddon better for PvP than an Apocolypse?
you can fit one more WCS to it.
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Splagada
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Posted - 2006.05.21 10:34:00 -
[63]
Amarr, when there is no chicken left for dinner !
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Squall heart
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Posted - 2006.05.21 10:36:00 -
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I'm sorry, but I can't believe that people are still replying to this thread...
(And just to add my own opinion, even though it goes against my first comment - I have flown Caldari, Gallente and Amarr ship throughout my time in this game and have chosen to specialise in Amarr since. I have T2 large energy turrets and wouldn't go back on my decision ever).
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Vertical
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:25:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Splagada
Amarr, when there is no chicken left for dinner !
haha very good
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 21/05/2006 11:32:02
TBH, Amarr is the best race in EvE.
1. Good storyline and role-play.
2. Sexy ship designs.
3. No need ammo.
4. Spacious cargo bay.
5. Have slaves.
6. God's chosen race.
7. Mysterious in cloaks and hoods.
8. Best battleships in-game. Can kill and can mine.
9. Have Ikvar.
/me wishes to be an Amarr.
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Sku1ly
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Posted - 2006.05.21 11:33:00 -
[67]
Amarr only suck if you do.
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Posted - 2006.05.21 12:59:00 -
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Edited by: blacknight9 on 21/05/2006 13:00:51
I have chosen the caldari race with the same stupid reason for like 70% people of the game. The caldari is the left choice, and in some bizzare way it is the most simple solution when u enter first time in the game.Thank God that i'm not limited to fly only the caldari ships.
But if i wanted to start again i should go with Amarr race.Armaghedon is just one hell of a ship. It just looks so damn sexy . Altough the Megathron looks cool too. Damn this game rocks .
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Vertical
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Posted - 2006.05.21 15:58:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 21/05/2006 11:32:02
TBH, Amarr is the best race in EvE.
1. Good storyline and role-play.
2. Sexy ship designs.
3. No need ammo.
4. Spacious cargo bay.
5. Have slaves.
6. God's chosen race.
7. Mysterious in cloaks and hoods.
8. Best battleships in-game. Can kill and can mine.
9. Have Ikvar.
/me wishes to be an Amarr.
hahaha
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Nero Winger
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Posted - 2006.05.21 16:30:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Nero Winger on 21/05/2006 16:30:28
SKU1LY:
Amarr only suck if you do.
stay politic idiot.
i love the curse its the best recon ship in eve but i know that it will be soon patched down, because CCP dont allow amarr to have one really good ship like caldari have the raven the cerberus and the uber interceptor crow.
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Laramon Questor
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Posted - 2006.05.21 16:46:00 -
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Here's what I saw from the patch (everything that concerned me):
1) Cruise and heavy missile precision nerf: I laugh at cruise and heavy missiles as it is, even precision. I was contemplating cruise specialization so that I could be one of the best frigate control Manticores in my circles. Too bad that went out the window, as the dmg output won't be high enough vs. frigates anymore. BUT it does make my ships all the more closer to immune to precision missiles.
2) I'm in agreement that caps should be adjusted with this change. Gallente and Caldari and the variants 5-7.5% reduced cap, Minmatar and its variants 1-3% reduced cap.
3) This isn't in the patch, but from conversations I've had with friends over this debate, I've found that there's no difference in T2 crystal sizes. A T2 S crystal and a T2 large crystal are both 1m3... that's just not right. Why should it take up the same cargo space to keep a HAF stocked for battle as it does for a BS? It's more detrimental (FAR MORE) to a frigate than it is to the BS, as far as relative cargo space. This is an acceptable nerf to me, if the devs ever catch on to that.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2006.05.21 16:51:00 -
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We're crap? Why didn't someone tell me. Oh. Probably because it isn't true. We're fine. Our ships are fine. If you don't want to fly them then fair enough but don't blame me if I pop you
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Splagada
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Posted - 2006.05.21 16:57:00 -
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to be a bit serious, one of our allies is a 3 years old player, caldari, that flies amarr ships
compared to other same age players flying caldari ships, his dps is totally insane
he doesnt even use ammo, as a minmatar i wanna cry over that :(
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Xtover
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Posted - 2006.05.21 17:27:00 -
[74]
This thread has inspired me to start building up this alt once my main's current skill is finished.
thanks o/
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Imperial Coercion
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Posted - 2006.05.21 18:00:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Nero Winger
truly i love to fly amarr ships they look best and i like them the most. but they just are not effective. since a tech2 blastertron kills every apoc on long and med range and a dominix kills every geddon on short range, a raven tanks every amarr bs easily and gives by tanking not less damageoutput than by not tankind and a tempest with tech2 large and a small tank kills your tanked ship very fast while your lasers make a damage that can only be called "huhh wft?" makes amarr bs pretty senceless in my eyes for pvp. i tried a lot of fittings and compared the ships datas with other battleships its kinda senceless to fit any apoc, a geddon is nice but not on longrange in a nice raid.
probably some of you should try some pvp and see whyt amarr truly can and cant.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2006.05.21 18:50:00 -
[76]
We look sexy bald.
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.05.21 19:05:00 -
[77]
I didn't read everyone's reply, just the OP. I have an amarr char... well a Minmatar that flys amar ships. I switched to Amarr ships because they look better then most of the others. And looks is a lot when you start at the ship hours/days/weeks/months even years.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2006.05.21 19:11:00 -
[78]
amarr roxor your boxor
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Grez
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Posted - 2006.05.22 00:32:00 -
[79]
Amarr spec pilot here... Twp things suck with Amarr, first is the fact that they are easy to tank against. But like a lot of people say, who the hell goes out to only PVP against Amarr ships? - No one does. Second is the fact that Tachyon beams aren't really that great compaired to Megabeams. But that's having some time spent on it. It's only being beefed by 5%, and if that's not enough, I'm sure they'll take another look at them after that.
Appart from those two gripes, I love Amarr ships.
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Teeta Sabes
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Posted - 2006.05.22 00:50:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Grez
It's only being beefed by 5%, and if that's not enough, I'm sure they'll take another look at them after that.
Appart from those two gripes, I love Amarr ships.
Thats the problem - they will not take a look at it, they had 3-4 patches time to do something but they did not.
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Ju'Ju
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Posted - 2006.05.22 01:43:00 -
[81]
Amarr > All Others
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Unaralas
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Posted - 2006.05.22 08:10:00 -
[82]
Originally by: mahhy
We look sexy bald.
You make baby jesus cry, mahhy.
Anyway.
I'm amarr, and I fly minnie ships. Amarr ships suck
But seriously, i'm thinking about coming back to amarr ships, having crap for DPS is starting to wear on my nerves.
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Ank Myrandor
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Posted - 2006.05.22 08:32:00 -
[83]
i'm still pure amarr. and yes amarr is nerved a bit , less dps , less drones, no jamming :P but well ccp will see it in the end ...
even though pvp is harder for us ammarian, i think you know the game a lot better then others that just activate f1 f2 f3 etc :P , some jammers and reppers at the same time and hope the'll survive
just look it at this Amarrian people will have the best tactics and know the game best because its harder to win teh game 'cause we don't have an uber I win button setup 
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Theron Gyrow
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Posted - 2006.05.22 08:47:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Grez
Second is the fact that Tachyon beams aren't really that great compaired to Megabeams. But that's having some time spent on it. It's only being beefed by 5%, and if that's not enough, I'm sure they'll take another look at them after that.
Maybe it is just me, but to me it seems that giving one race 32% more DoT out to about 190km than the next best non-Amarr sniper is not completely balanced... Even the current 25% is a bit iffy. (3-damage mod 'geddon vs 4-damage mod Megathron - Mega does have one more low slot free, but nothing it can fit there really helps.)
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Posted - 2006.05.22 08:56:00 -
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OP managed to use a month's worth of puntuation in one post. 
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:05:00 -
[86]
The best reason to play an Amarrian:
You're allowed to join PIE!
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Posted - 2006.05.22 09:28:00 -
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Oh My God, whining at Amarr, how bad... ever considered trying Minmatar??? Minmatar is even worse. If you know how to fit, it's very good, if you don't it sucks bigtime. Same with Caldari, Galente and Amarr
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Posted - 2006.05.22 10:28:00 -
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Edited by: Rick Dentill on 22/05/2006 10:29:15
Pretty laser colours is more than enough incentive for me well my other alt, silly me posting on my caldari character
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Posted - 2006.05.22 11:19:00 -
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The usefulness of amarr in the game is
1. Best beginner hauler - Bestower
2. Best carrying hauler - Impel + all cargo expanders
3. Best Looter ship - Sigil with AB and all nano's
4. Best Ganker Battleship - Geddon
5. Best PvE Ship for uber spawns - Archon
6. Best Anti-Hac setup 1v1 - Sacrilege
Though with that said, the work best is subjecive, since any ship can be "best" if you change the paramiters. But overall, Amarr is a good race for a generalist.
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Posted - 2006.05.22 11:59:00 -
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Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:12:00 -
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Amarr is prolly the best balanced race of all.
Lasers have intergrated damage bonus so BS dont need another damage bonus
No ammo required, only cap
Armor tankers to the bone (more cap efficient)
The 2 most versatile HACs of all
Frigs that can do nearly everything be it mining, pvp or npc¦ing
Not to mention the Faction versions of amarr ships like nightmare, bhaalgorn or even the succubus are ships that dont need nerfing or boosting cuz they are all fine as they are.
You should be happy to have chosen amarr.
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GrimGiggler
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:20:00 -
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Isn't the title of this thread "Why choose Amarr race?" I'm missing where the ship has to do with the race. I must be slow. Can't any race fly any ship with the right training? So ...what were we talking about again? I'm confused.
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Sommner
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:36:00 -
[93]
Originally by: GrimGiggler
Isn't the title of this thread "Why choose Amarr race?" I'm missing where the ship has to do with the race. I must be slow. Can't any race fly any ship with the right training? So ...what were we talking about again? I'm confused.
QFT
Another reason for choosing Amarr...
So Minmatar can scream "OMGWTF slaver scum BBQ" at you
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Edward Sarum
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:52:00 -
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Edited by: Edward Sarum on 22/05/2006 12:52:09
Why choose Amarr?
- Best background story in the game thus makes for easy RP.
- One of the two best RP community races in the game, the other being Minmatar
- Some of the coolest looking ships in the game
- Lasers need no ammo
- The Amarr are the JR Ewing of EVE, every body LOVES to hate them
- Serving God beats working for some corporate CEO as Caldari
- Serving God beats walking a street corner as Gallantee
- Serving God beats ANYTHING the Minmatar do
This is a fairly short list but I think it makes the point :-)
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Rawr Cristina
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Posted - 2006.05.22 14:46:00 -
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the only downside i can think of about Amarr is their damage types - they do GREAT damage, but you're strictly limited to EM and Thermal. this SERIOUSLY reduces their effectiveness vs any armor tanks, and since all but caldari armor tank, they're a bit under-par. Tach apoc vs Rail mega - mega will win every time :(
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Posted - 2006.05.22 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: Deacan Wildfire on 22/05/2006 14:46:52
May as well add my voice. I fly amarr ships almost exclusively, never had any problems.
The only thing I feel is nerfed is my face.
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Sarah Aubry
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Posted - 2006.05.22 16:20:00 -
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Nero Winger, didnt you say you were leaving?
Also please checkout Google Translate
We (english speaking folk) will be able to understand you a lot better if you do.
Thanks :)
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Posted - 2006.05.22 16:44:00 -
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Grez
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Posted - 2006.05.22 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Grez on 22/05/2006 17:06:58
Originally by: Theron Gyrow
Originally by: Grez
Second is the fact that Tachyon beams aren't really that great compaired to Megabeams. But that's having some time spent on it. It's only being beefed by 5%, and if that's not enough, I'm sure they'll take another look at them after that.
Maybe it is just me, but to me it seems that giving one race 32% more DoT out to about 190km than the next best non-Amarr sniper is not completely balanced... Even the current 25% is a bit iffy. (3-damage mod 'geddon vs 4-damage mod Megathron - Mega does have one more low slot free, but nothing it can fit there really helps.)
We may be able to hit out to 190km. But we need to use Aurora ammo & T2 weapons for that. And it isn't that great damage-wise compaired to other long range ammo. We get a serious damage reduction over range that other races don't. Also don't forget that Amarr ships don't really excel in close range combat (battleship-wise anyways), since Megapulse really have trouble hitting at closer than 15-20km, whereas other races have no problems with their short range turrets (launchers don't have that problem).
It balances out just fine.
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Bacchuss
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Posted - 2006.05.22 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
The usefulness of amarr in the game is
1. Best beginner hauler - Bestower
2. Best carrying hauler - Impel + all cargo expanders
3. Best Looter ship - Sigil with AB and all nano's
4. Best Ganker Battleship - Geddon
5. Best PvE Ship for uber spawns - Archon
6. Best Anti-Hac setup 1v1 - Sacrilege
Though with that said, the work best is subjecive, since any ship can be "best" if you change the paramiters. But overall, Amarr is a good race for a generalist.
I would disagree on 5 and 6, best antihack 1v1 is ishtar, and best PvE for uber spawns in thantos
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Posted - 2006.05.22 18:06:00 -
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Gallente outdamges amarr, gallente has higher range than amarr, gallente has better drone bay than amarr. Gallente got to much love in the last patches with the new ships having more med slots for EW, while amarr have been nerfed since they boosted EM and droped Thermal on lasers, the minmatar laughs in your face when they fly T2 ships with 95% EM rezistance and 80% Thermal and amarr has stupid bonuses on battleships like 10% capacitor use and 5% more capacitor unlike the megatron let's say that got 5% damage and 5% tracking. (more tracking now since the tracking was also boosted).
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.05.22 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Messerschmitt facility
Gallente outdamges amarr, gallente has higher range than amarr, gallente has better drone bay than amarr. Gallente got to much love in the last patches with the new ships having more med slots for EW, while amarr have been nerfed since they boosted EM and droped Thermal on lasers, the minmatar laughs in your face when they fly T2 ships with 95% EM rezistance and 80% Thermal and amarr has stupid bonuses on battleships like 10% capacitor use and 5% more capacitor unlike the megatron let's say that got 5% damage and 5% tracking. (more tracking now since the tracking was also boosted).
Yes and while the amarr get that built-in 5% damage bonus to their lasers and actually out-damage the gallente (arma) or come very close (apoc), the gallente do not get a built in 5% capacitor use bonus to their guns.
And we can go on for weeks like this.
And the end of the day the fact remains that the amarr pertty much rule hte upper short range up and untill the long range with their good tracking, good damage, fast switching turrets on the apoc, and the same plus another damage bonus with their armageddon. They also get improved tanking abilities, more hitpoints, and less need for extreme skill levels in their gunnery specialisation to do maximum damage (apoc).
The gallente get a damage type thats preferable over em (kinetic), slightly more drones (that are useless at anything but pve and short range combat even now), but deal with the same issue of their counter-race having high resist against their primary damage types. they also suck worse at short range, do about evenish as long and slightly better at extremely long range.
All in all that's decently balanced imo, if it weren't for the armageddon with its rof bonus that screws things up nicely in the BS class.
Since that mostly affects the short-medium range the boosts to blaster use for gallente is very much in place, as are the tracking bonus increases since they did less then even the playing field in tracking even at lvl 5 skill compared to the amarr.
Can we now stop the useless argument, all turret using races get one or mroe boosts this patch, and those that need it the most (typhoon excepted) are the ones that get improved the most.
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Teeta Sabes
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Posted - 2006.05.23 21:19:00 -
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Edited by: Teeta Sabes on 23/05/2006 21:22:17
Originally by: Rod Blaine
They also get improved tanking abilities, more hitpoints, and less need for extreme skill levels in their gunnery specialisation to do maximum damage (apoc).
sorry, not true. the same skills for tech2 weapons as all other races by less damage output on laserturrets.
just a fact: the weakest NPCs and the easiest to tank NPCs and easiest to destroy NPCs are Amarr ship class NPCs. every missionrunner agree on that.
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Cocyte
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Posted - 2006.05.23 21:50:00 -
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If amarr ships and lasers sucks that bad, tell me why I'm spending 3/4 of my time in a zealot? If amarr ships and lasers sucks that bad, tell me why I'm spending 3/4 of my time in a zealot?
I'm able to use both gallente and amarr HACs, and i've got an ishtar... somewhere... I only use it when I really need the extra med slots.
Originally by: Wrayeth
The Zealot, the Arazu, and the Absolution also excel.
Arazu is still gallente :p You should replace it by pilgrim or curse.
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