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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:34:00 -
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Harbonah wrote:I played Dust for about three days when it hit beta. I never picked it up again. Poor design, lack of meanful EVE interaction, bad balance, poor performance. I was personally disappointed when I was told it was coming out on PS3. I gave it a bit of a trial and was only reinforced in my opinion that it would not be a good game. I don't know a single EVE player that has particpated or cared about Dust or it's limited options for EVE interaction.
I am not convinced it will be a successful PC game either until they can make it interact meaningfully with EVE. In terms of EVE, nobody cares about Dust and there is no reason to.
We were always promised that we could land troops to take out someone else's PI and hire mercenaries to defend our own.
This needs to happen in legion. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4865
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:39:00 -
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Well, I asked for this for years. I always played Eve and one FPS game but COD2 is old and it's hard to find servers, so I have waited.
In a few weeks I will start building a new PC with an eye on Legion.
I wonder what the hardware requirements will be? Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
London
Justified Chaos
60
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:46:00 -
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Does anyone know if the engine is Unreal 4 since that's also what Valkyrie uses? (and Dust is Unreal 3 so that seems like a logical progression).
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SpoonRECKLESS
LOGI R Us
187
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:17:00 -
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YESSS!! I've been waiting for this I got a new PC YEAH!! EVE AND DUST WOOOHOOO!!! Blue
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9524
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:20:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Doris Dents wrote:Belated good move by CCP. Ever since DUST was announced as a PS3 exclusive we've been telling them it's a dreadful mistake and PC is the natural home of a game set in the EVE universe. Perhaps finally CCP will get the message that we're not dumb, we know what we want and we know what we'd pay for. You cannot just produce any old crap and expect people to happily chow down, you have to listen to your customers and fulfill their needs. It actually makes me very hopeful that the people making the big decisions have it right. The PS3 is a discontinued platform, so they need to change platform at some, not too distant, point in time. Since Dust has had a meager reception at best on console, they can either go sunk-cost fallacy and throw good money after bad to try to appease the small player-base, or they can make the only logical decision at this point, and move to a platform that never obsoletes itself (I can and do still play PC games from literally 20 years ago). That CCP have swapped platform rather than digging themselves into a hole by trying to move to PS4 shows they're willing to take a huge blow to the chin if it means winning the fight. CCP might make a lot of mistakes, but they don't have a glass jaw. That said they shouldn't have had DUST players fly out to Fanfest just to hear about their game getting the cold treatment. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Ivy greene
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
120
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:33:00 -
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I'm hoping it will have better music/sfx than the console version. I'm getting tired of blacklight. I need my futuristic cyberpunk warfare fix I've been told I'm somewhat famous, no idea why...
http://themittani.com/features/alod-you-cannot-jump-here |
Maraner
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
287
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:45:00 -
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If your a dedicated Dust ps3 player I suspected you are a bit pissed atm. But since there are only about 2,000 of them from CCP's own numbers then I think they have done the math and decided a F2P PC shooter just makes more sense.
What they should be doing is looking at who made the decision to go with ps3 in the first place.
If I could run an eve client on one screen and a legion on the other then that is going to be something interesting for certain. I wonder how long til Legion rolls out.
Anyone get any indication around the release date?
TBH I am kinda excited by the idea of Valkyrie and legion and EVE all on the same platform. Looks like PC gaming is going to really take off, already saving my pennies for an occulus.
Good times. |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
454
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:51:00 -
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Higgs Foton wrote:. Making it console only while having to compete with much, much better games (BF3 and such) was pretty much suicide.
Pretty much what they said when the XBox was announced. You're not going to claim any of the market share if you never try. |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
454
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:52:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Harbonah wrote:I played Dust for about three days when it hit beta. I never picked it up again. Poor design, lack of meanful EVE interaction, bad balance, poor performance. I was personally disappointed when I was told it was coming out on PS3. I gave it a bit of a trial and was only reinforced in my opinion that it would not be a good game. I don't know a single EVE player that has particpated or cared about Dust or it's limited options for EVE interaction.
I am not convinced it will be a successful PC game either until they can make it interact meaningfully with EVE. In terms of EVE, nobody cares about Dust and there is no reason to. We were always promised that we could land troops to take out someone else's PI and hire mercenaries to defend our own. This needs to happen in legion.
We were not "always promised" that. It was the original design idea that got Dust off the ground. A vision statement is not a promise. |
45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
64
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:59:00 -
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BayneNothos wrote:If Dust characters can't be transferred over to Legion can I suggest you DON'T send anyone from the Dust team down to EvE Down Under this year. You won't be getting a warm welcome from the Aus Dust players.
Don't be so negative about that allot of people wanted Dust 514 to be on PC from the start and I was one of those people who would enjoy Dust on PC.
I knew from the start that Dust 514 dose not work on the console that well or would be limited to the hardware that the PS 3 has.
And over time the PS 3 is now redundant technology and the PS 4 has taken over.
With The PC you can upgrade the graphic card and the hardware in the computer.
But with a console you cannot upgrade the hardware to the same extent as a PC.
I hope this gives the console players some light on the hardware restrictions compare to a PC. I am not a CCP employee-ájust having a input in the EvE forum
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Roy Hawkinz
R0GUE ENTITY
0
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Posted - 2014.05.05 16:17:00 -
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Best annoucement ever. I bought a ps3 slim special for dust 514. Now I can finnaly move to the pc again and play with all me friends.
I 100% support this move. Just green lit this and everyone will by very happy. |
Belt Scout
Forum alts make you mad
358
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Posted - 2014.05.05 16:31:00 -
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45thtiger 0109 wrote:BayneNothos wrote:If Dust characters can't be transferred over to Legion can I suggest you DON'T send anyone from the Dust team down to EvE Down Under this year. You won't be getting a warm welcome from the Aus Dust players. Don't be so negative about that allot of people wanted Dust 514 to be on PC from the start and I was one of those people who would enjoy Dust on PC. I knew from the start that Dust 514 dose not work on the console that well or would be limited to the hardware that the PS 3 has. And over time the PS 3 is now redundant technology and the PS 4 has taken over. With The PC you can upgrade the graphic card and the hardware in the computer. But with a console you cannot upgrade the hardware to the same extent as a PC. I hope this gives the console players some light on the hardware restrictions compare to a PC. Someone started to me in RL quite a few years ago, that the console market would take over the PC market will I sorry to say the technology for the console still dose not match the PC Technology and the PC market has made a come back and will get stronger again.
100% true. Console players can be converted if properly shown the light.
My cousin was a console player right up to the point when I let him Cyrsis 2's Blackfire mod at 120fps ultra settings on my game rig. Every 5 seconds he was like "OMFG I can't believe what this looks like!! OMG OMG OMG!!"
Every time he comes over now, he wants to play Crysis 3 for a little while to get his fix.
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EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now. |
Dr Techenstein Techsalt
SWAMPERIUM
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:24:00 -
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Dusts player base are mostly console only so they lack any real experience with decent games and refer to shtty games like mag as if they were amazing when really they just don't know any better.
CCP was drawing feedback from the deprived, how could they have thought it'd work lol. Dust merc- TechMechMeds, logistics
Eve legion ftw
Dust scum think they can dominate legion lol |
Wildmouse X
Clan McLoud Care Factor
0
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:36:00 -
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I will surely be contributing to the FPS front.. While I am enjoying the space sim portion, I do tend to get competitive in FPS'..
In U.T. I could crack into the top 100 when I would play regular. here is an old 2k4 video we did to announce a modded server launch (I'm the red guy) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz0DnP7wXnU - as a side note, the blue guy there was rated 22nd in the world at the time, Can probably talk him into dust with little effort. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5342
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:38:00 -
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Dr Techenstein Techsalt wrote: CCP was drawing feedback from the deprived, how could they have thought it'd work lol.
CCP has been getting feedback from the depraved around here for so long, perhaps someone in DUST marketing had dyslexia and/or just got the two confused.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Renier Gaden
Immortal Guides
185
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:57:00 -
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Salvo Aivo wrote:Xavier Holtzman wrote:Salvo Aivo wrote:and here I am, sill not caring. I don't care that you don't care about Dust coming to PC. About frickin' time, CCP! have you actually tried playing it on the playstation? It's not going to fare any better on the PC. Dust is rubbish. Nowhere near EVE standards. This would be why they are rebuilding it from scratch, only using the stuff from DUST that actually worked, rather than simply porting DUST 514 to PC.
CCP is a company that develops based on trial and error, and given the amount of error in the development of DUST 514 on the PS3, it is likely they learned a few things. All the stuff that in hindsight they would have done differently, they will now have a chance to do differently.
I am personally a little disappointed as after 16 months of playing DUST 514 I was finally starting to get the hang of that cluncky consul controller, and given that I play EVE on a Mac currently, this means I will probably have to buy a Gaming computer (and a computer that will run Legion and EVE at the same time on different monitors is not going to be cheap!), but as far as what is best for the game, and what will allow them to finally achieve the original vision behind DUST, this was probably the right move. |
Dr Techenstein Techsalt
SWAMPERIUM
3
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:03:00 -
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Renier Gaden wrote:Salvo Aivo wrote:Xavier Holtzman wrote:Salvo Aivo wrote:and here I am, sill not caring. I don't care that you don't care about Dust coming to PC. About frickin' time, CCP! have you actually tried playing it on the playstation? It's not going to fare any better on the PC. Dust is rubbish. Nowhere near EVE standards. This would be why they are rebuilding it from scratch, only using the stuff from DUST that actually worked, rather than simply porting DUST 514 to PC. CCP is a company that develops based on trial and error, and given the amount of error in the development of DUST 514 on the PS3, it is likely they learned a few things. All the stuff that in hindsight they would have done differently, they will now have a chance to do differently. I am personally a little disappointed as after 16 months of playing DUST 514 I was finally starting to get the hang of that cluncky consul controller, and given that I play EVE on a Mac currently, this means I will probably have to buy a Gaming computer (and a computer that will run Legion and EVE at the same time on different monitors is not going to be cheap!), but as far as what is best for the game, and what will allow them to finally achieve the original vision behind DUST, this was probably the right move.
o7, who is your dust clone?. Dust merc- TechMechMeds, logistics
Eve legion ftw
Dust scum think they can dominate legion lol |
Renier Gaden
Immortal Guides
185
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:07:00 -
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Tavin Aikisen wrote:It's a shame we lose the DUST title though. Not necessarily. Project Legion is the code name for the development project, not the final name of the game they are developing. EVE:Legion is just what we are all using as a working title. |
Renier Gaden
Immortal Guides
185
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:21:00 -
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Gothikia wrote:Contrary to what people think (and what I personally hoped) this IS NOT DUST FOR PC?! Confused? Yeah, read this: http://dust514.com/news/2014/05/introducing-project-legion/Pay attention to this part: Quote: Although DUST 514 and Project Legion will function independently of one another, and are different projects on different development paths, DUST itself has a lot more shooting-in-the-face action to come. The team and I remain committed to continuing to improve the experience on PlayStation 3, while simultaneously making sure GÇ£Project LegionGÇ¥ becomes the experience weGÇÖve all dreamt of.
So is Dust being killed and Legion is replacing it? Legion is not even close to Closed Beta yet. By the time it is released the PS3 will be very very old. DUST 514 on PlayStation will die due to the platform dying, hopefully around the time Legion is ready for release.
I feel like I am standing on the deck of the Titanic watching the Queen Merry II coming over the horizon, and hoping it gets close before I am left swimming. For now I will try to enjoy the music as the band plays on... |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1227
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:23:00 -
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Renier Gaden wrote:Gothikia wrote:Contrary to what people think (and what I personally hoped) this IS NOT DUST FOR PC?! Confused? Yeah, read this: http://dust514.com/news/2014/05/introducing-project-legion/Pay attention to this part: Quote: Although DUST 514 and Project Legion will function independently of one another, and are different projects on different development paths, DUST itself has a lot more shooting-in-the-face action to come. The team and I remain committed to continuing to improve the experience on PlayStation 3, while simultaneously making sure GÇ£Project LegionGÇ¥ becomes the experience weGÇÖve all dreamt of.
So is Dust being killed and Legion is replacing it? Legion is not even close to Closed Beta yet. By the time it is released the PS3 will be very very old. DUST 514 on PlayStation will die due to the platform dying, hopefully around the time Legion is ready for release. I feel like I am standing on the deck of the Titanic watching the Queen Merry II coming over the horizon, and hoping it gets close before I am left swimming. For now I will try to enjoy the music as the band plays on... or you know, you could play eve instead. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á Soylent Green Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
189
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:27:00 -
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Didn't read the whole thread but, did anyone mention if Eve Legion could also be used to introduce WIS ? |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1107
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:36:00 -
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Vicar2008 wrote:About freaking time, it was never going to fully work on PS3. Well done CCP on finally getting it right.
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Renier Gaden
Immortal Guides
185
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:39:00 -
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Gothikia wrote:Even though this is awesome, yes, we should also remember something very important.
CCP has now spent our sub money on two games that they've now cancelled. It might be time that CCP sit down and give us a better explanation (either at EVE Keynote, or CCP Presents) on why they've wasted our money in this way and why we should trust them with Legion. If this is going to be "What we should have done in the first place with Dust", then we want to know why you ****** up, where you ****** up and why what you're doing now is different and isn't going to be a waste of money.
At least I think all of us (even the dust bunnies) deserve that. You actually have to sell us on Legion since we're the ones who are (and will) spend money on it. What makes you think it is your money they are spending on DUST? Think about it:
- EVE exists in China on a separate server. There are so many people on that server that they recently had a battle bigger than the biggest battle ever on tranquillity.
- DUST development is based in China.
Do you see a correlation? I expect that China would tax CCP heavily if they tried to take the money they earned in China and spend it in Iceland, so instead they open a development office in China and spend the money earned from Chinees EVE players on DUST development based in China.
Stop thinking of DUST as a waist of your money. It is clearly a money laundering operation for dealing with revenue generated in China. |
Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
244
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:59:00 -
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Jurou Yuan wrote:Awesome. A pc port of a game nobody cares about because it's 5 years behind anything already out!
It looks a lot like bf2142 which will certainly gain it a lot of initial interest from players of that era. I know I will at least give it a shot and if it's not any good no skin off my nose.
The real question is: if legion becomes popular will CCP take the necessary measures to keep it successful? LP store weapon cost rebalance |
Noriko Mai
1329
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:04:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Jurou Yuan wrote:Awesome. A pc port of a game nobody cares about because it's 5 years behind anything already out! It looks a lot like bf2142 which will certainly gain it a lot of initial interest from players of that era. I know I will at least give it a shot and if it's not any good no skin off my nose. The real question is: if legion becomes popular will CCP take the necessary measures to keep it successful? No. They will shut it down after two years, no matter what. It's meant as a ISK sink to keep the economy stable. |
Maxpie
MUSE Buy-n-Large Metaphysical Utopian Society Enterprises
420
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:37:00 -
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So I guess Xbox 360 is still out of the picture?
No good deed goes unpunished |
Cyinii Erkkinen
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
0
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:52:00 -
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I'd ask that any EVE players here in support of project legion go to this page and like it http://dust514.com/news/blog/2014/05/introducing-project-legion/
There are some very stupid bunnies assuming facebook likes on a dev blog that no one reads = community reception but I wouldn't be suprised to learn that this is what CCP is using to gauge reception |
45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
66
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:15:00 -
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Renier Gaden wrote:Gothikia wrote:Even though this is awesome, yes, we should also remember something very important.
CCP has now spent our sub money on two games that they've now cancelled. It might be time that CCP sit down and give us a better explanation (either at EVE Keynote, or CCP Presents) on why they've wasted our money in this way and why we should trust them with Legion. If this is going to be "What we should have done in the first place with Dust", then we want to know why you ****** up, where you ****** up and why what you're doing now is different and isn't going to be a waste of money.
At least I think all of us (even the dust bunnies) deserve that. You actually have to sell us on Legion since we're the ones who are (and will) spend money on it. What makes you think it is your money they are spending on DUST? Think about it: - EVE exists in China on a separate server. There are so many people on that server that they recently had a battle bigger than the biggest battle ever on tranquillity. - DUST development is based in China. Do you see a correlation? I expect that China would tax CCP heavily if they tried to take the money they earned in China and spend it in Iceland, so instead they open a development office in China and spend the money earned from Chinees EVE players on DUST development based in China. Stop thinking of DUST as a waist of your money. It is clearly a money laundering operation for dealing with revenue generated in China.
What a load of bulls^&t I don't think CCP would do that sort of thing that you have explained above in your untrue quote.
CCP are a company and the company needs to make money to pay the staff, buy new and updated tech ect ect.
So until you have proof of this and have seen CCP do that sort of thing please shut the F%^k up.
ISD & CCP anyone who attack CCP should get a warning.
I am not a CCP employee-ájust having a input in the EvE forum
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5356
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:20:00 -
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Should this thread continue to decline in terms of reality, a tinfoil hat will automatically be dispensed from the overhead compartment. Place it firmly over your head covering any exposed areas.
If you are travelling with a child or someone who requires assistance, secure your hat first, and then assist the other person. Keep your hat on until a Dev or ISD member advises you to remove it.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Belt Scout
Forum alts make you mad
366
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:33:00 -
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Dragon Outlaw wrote:Didn't read the whole thread but, did anyone mention if Eve Legion could also be used to introduce WIS ?
Well on page 23 of the dev blog, they addressed WiS directly, and it was good news.
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EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now. |
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