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Zenos Ebeth
DEAD JESTERS The Harlequin's
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Posted - 2014.05.03 16:59:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Until its in the patch notes of a patch or expansion it's not real.
That's problably what all the t2 bpo owners are telling themselves right now . Bad posts are not welcome on these forums.-á -CCP Falcon
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mkint
1177
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:01:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:What I want to know is why a member of the goon economic warfare team is creating this thread at all.
What does he have to gain by it? Trolling for tears? Actually curious about the opinions of others after years of gloatingly stating "your opinion means nothing".
This entire post is completely out of character, and I am curious why it was created. Not all Goons are created equal. Correct. Some are even more awful than others.
The tricky part of this is balancing where a refund might mean there's no affect on the big picture (i.e. a BPC refund of the same value would mean that 7-10 years for the open market to balance out) versus straight up deleting assets and value from EVE. I don't know if there is a good solution, but I do know they are a broken factor of the game. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |

Dramaticus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
517
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Posted - 2014.05.03 17:52:00 -
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About 6 months worth of BPC time is more than fair The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal
The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them |

Regan Rotineque
Arch Angels Assault Force The Kadeshi
307
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Posted - 2014.05.03 18:12:00 -
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Thank you CCP - for finally recognizing that this needed to be corrected.
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BadAssMcKill
ElitistOps
770
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Posted - 2014.05.03 18:19:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Weaselior wrote:The Ultimate Solution to the T2 BPO Problem Announced by CCP You know who else had an ultimate solution? I'll be surprised if this happens any time soon. They'll get nerfed before they disappear. I have yet to hear any valid reason these are a problem (except for jealousy) since invention was introduced.
That was the Final Solution
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5246
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Posted - 2014.05.03 18:26:00 -
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BadAssMcKill wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Weaselior wrote:The Ultimate Solution to the T2 BPO Problem Announced by CCP You know who else had an ultimate solution? I'll be surprised if this happens any time soon. They'll get nerfed before they disappear. I have yet to hear any valid reason these are a problem (except for jealousy) since invention was introduced. That was the Final Solution
I loved that song.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

E Thatcher
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.05.03 18:27:00 -
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They could just adjust efficiences similar to the refine changes. Caused by smudged and worn originals. Old prints often cause more mistakes and waste. |

Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1218
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Posted - 2014.05.03 18:30:00 -
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Wasn't it just a week ago that someone posted about T2 BPOs and the forum consensus was that he was just jelly and to get over it because T2 BPOs are here forever? |

Myxx
728
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Posted - 2014.05.03 18:43:00 -
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My respect for Greyscale couldn't get any lower, so it simply remains unchanged. |

Eyrun Mangeiri
Schattengarde
9
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Posted - 2014.05.03 18:57:00 -
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T2 BPO gone = no more T2 stuff? Or how will it work? I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn they will be gone - whispering their hidden song. |
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Master Flakattack
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:05:00 -
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Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:T2 BPO gone = no more T2 stuff? Or how will it work? Primary method for most T2 items to enter the game is Invention, which creates T2 BPCs.
T2 BPOs were handed out in a series of lotteries years ago, and CCP later decided Invention was a better way to bring T2 items into game and said they would never release T2 BPOs again.
This has been a long time coming, but I can't blame anyone who bought a T2 BPO later for being a bit miffed. It's kind of ridiculous to have something like that just plain deleted. |

000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
27
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:05:00 -
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WTS! 1 T2 bpo for a gazzillion iskies! 
Just transfer the money.  |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:06:00 -
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Revman Zim
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
251
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:07:00 -
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Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:T2 BPO gone = no more T2 stuff? Or how will it work?
Look up "INVENTION".
That is how it works, except for the few OLD RICH vets that were gifted BPO's by their Dev friends.
So, yeah. This should have been fixed A LONG TIME ago. It makes total sense for this to be addressed during a major industry rebalance. Yes their will be whining... but it is from the 1%ers... so **** them. |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5252
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:08:00 -
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Revman Zim wrote:Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:T2 BPO gone = no more T2 stuff? Or how will it work? Look up "INVENTION". That is how it works, except for the few OLD RICH vets that were gifted BPO's by their Dev friends.
You know how we know you don't know how the BPO lottery worked.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Revman Zim
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
251
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:14:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Revman Zim wrote:Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:T2 BPO gone = no more T2 stuff? Or how will it work? Look up "INVENTION". That is how it works, except for the few OLD RICH vets that were gifted BPO's by their Dev friends. You know how we know you don't know how the BPO lottery worked.
http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=2_7&page=4
Yeah. and this is just what was made public. I am sure there were more hidden favoritism. |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5252
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:20:00 -
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Revman Zim wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Revman Zim wrote:Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:T2 BPO gone = no more T2 stuff? Or how will it work? Look up "INVENTION". That is how it works, except for the few OLD RICH vets that were gifted BPO's by their Dev friends. You know how we know you don't know how the BPO lottery worked. http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=2_7&page=4Yeah. and this is just what was made public. I am sure there were more hidden favoritism.
Do you have any proof of such favoritism? I'm not saying it could not happen, but if you are going to make that kind of accusation without passing out tinfoil first, I'd suggest a better argument based on less unfounded jealousy and/or hysteria. That matter was addressed a long time ago.
What about the 99.99% of the reset of the players who earned their BPOs fairly by grinding research agents and being lucky enough to draw one. I had one once, and nobody gifted it to me. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Eyrun Mangeiri
Schattengarde
9
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:22:00 -
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Master Flakattack wrote:Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:T2 BPO gone = no more T2 stuff? Or how will it work? Primary method for most T2 items to enter the game is Invention, which creates T2 BPCs. T2 BPOs were handed out in a series of lotteries years ago, and CCP later decided Invention was a better way to bring T2 items into game and said they would never release T2 BPOs again. This has been a long time coming, but I can't blame anyone who bought a T2 BPO later for being a bit miffed. It's kind of ridiculous to have something like that just plain deleted.
Ah okay, thanks! I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn they will be gone - whispering their hidden song. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9498
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:31:00 -
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I seem to recall from somewhere that using T2 BPOs directly for manufacturing was still inferior to doing invention, and that really their only use was in copying jobs and selling the BPCs. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Revman Zim
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
252
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:36:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Revman Zim wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Revman Zim wrote:Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:T2 BPO gone = no more T2 stuff? Or how will it work? Look up "INVENTION". That is how it works, except for the few OLD RICH vets that were gifted BPO's by their Dev friends. You know how we know you don't know how the BPO lottery worked. http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=2_7&page=4Yeah. and this is just what was made public. I am sure there were more hidden favoritism. Do you have any proof of such favoritism? I'm not saying it could not happen, but if you are going to make that kind of accusation without passing out tinfoil first, I'd suggest a better argument based on less unfounded jealousy and/or hysteria. That matter was addressed a long time ago. What about the 99.99% of the rest of the players who participated and who earned their BPOs fairly by grinding research agents and were lucky enough to draw one in the lottery. I had one once, and nobody gifted it to me or did me any favors.
Touched a nerve?
CCP knows that T2 BPO's are bad for the game. The majority of the player base knows it is a broken part of the game. They need to go, and I am glad that CCP is going to do this. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
And, I don't have to have a better argument or proof. This is the EVE online forums, not a court of law. |
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Tobin Shalim
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
17
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:48:00 -
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Revman Zim wrote:
Touched a nerve?
CCP knows that T2 BPO's are bad for the game. The majority of the player base knows it is a broken part of the game. They need to go, and I am glad that CCP is going to do this. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
And, I don't have to have a better argument or proof. This is the EVE online forums, not a court of law.
*raises hand*
I, for one, don't think they're broken. I don't own a T2 BPO, nor do I have enough ISK to ever afford one, but they should straight up stay in the game, especially if the invention system will allow someone to come into the T2 production system on par with a T2 BPO owner. Wasn't that the whole point of invention in the first place?
Going in and erasing the assets of someone that either earned them or paid a big chunk of ISK on them is stupid on CCP's part especially since they tout the 'sandbox' nature of EVE. Arbitrarily erasing something like that (just that alone) and not providing some form of compensation really does ruin EVE and CCP's reputation. |

Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries Exiliar Syndicate
176
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:54:00 -
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I wonder how would other people feel if someone came and just deleted their asset, probably the one they have biggest investment in. For many industrialist deleting T2 BPOs would mean the same as for 0.0 alliance deleting titans. It would be also +- same loss according to ISK. Yes, I own one. No, I dont think they break the game or something like that. Yes, it was a mistake to introduce them in the first place. I wouldnt mind them deleted if CCP returns to me my investment, all of it. What would be the point of the game if someone could just delete your items, because someone doesnt like them anymore? |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5256
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:55:00 -
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Revman Zim wrote:
Touched a nerve?
CCP knows that T2 BPO's are bad for the game. The majority of the player base knows it is a broken part of the game.
Not actually, I don't own one anymore, and I understand just how well invention works.This is just a tired argument, no one seems to be able to sate what exactly is wrong or bad about T2 BPOs after invention was introduced that does not revolve around jealousy.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

mkint
1177
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:58:00 -
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Tobin Shalim wrote:Revman Zim wrote:
Touched a nerve?
CCP knows that T2 BPO's are bad for the game. The majority of the player base knows it is a broken part of the game. They need to go, and I am glad that CCP is going to do this. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
And, I don't have to have a better argument or proof. This is the EVE online forums, not a court of law.
*raises hand* I, for one, don't think they're broken. I don't own a T2 BPO, nor do I have enough ISK to ever afford one, but they should straight up stay in the game, especially if the invention system will allow someone to come into the T2 production system on par with a T2 BPO owner. Wasn't that the whole point of invention in the first place? Going in and erasing the assets of someone that either earned them or paid a big chunk of ISK on them is stupid on CCP's part especially since they tout the 'sandbox' nature of EVE. Arbitrarily erasing something like that (just that alone) and not providing some form of compensation really does ruin EVE and CCP's reputation. Invention can never match a BPO. Production from a T2 BPO less than half as much build materials as an invention build, not even counting the cost of doing the invention itself. That sucks. But where it's completely broken is where a single T2 BPO can completely shut down all invention for a particular item, if you've got the right BPO. That's just not acceptable, no matter how much you paid for that BPO. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |

Oxide Ammar
106
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:59:00 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:I guess its time for all BPO T2 owners to start copying like there is no tomorrow :P copier machine is this way >>>> GOGOGO!
I loled so hard on this    |

Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
354
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:03:00 -
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Revman Zim wrote:http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=2_7&page=4
Yeah. and this is just what was made public. I am sure there were more hidden favoritism. Funny thing though, a T2 BPO paid for that article. And the 233 other issues of the EVE Tribune. And since I have a 650mm Artillery Cannon II BPO I'm pretty sure that it wasn't favouritism because that one is shite.
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000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
28
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:12:00 -
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Mr M wrote: I have a 650mm Artillery Cannon II BPO I'm pretty sure that it wasn't favouritism because that one is shite.
I just lolled  |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5256
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:41:00 -
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mkint wrote: Invention can never match a BPO. Production from a T2 BPO less than half as much build materials as an invention build, not even counting the cost of doing the invention itself. That sucks. But where it's completely broken is where a single T2 BPO can completely shut down all invention for a particular item, if you've got the right BPO. That's just not acceptable, no matter how much you paid for that BPO.
Exactly how many T2 BPOs do you believe there are in game, and which ones exactly can shut down all invention?
If a single BPO can shut down all invention, what does it tell you about demand for that particular item?
Have you actually done invention? A T2 BPO owner is limited on how many items he can make in a given time period. Inventors can create virtually unlimited runs that can be built simultaneously.
If there is a lot of demand for Ishtars (for instance) an you build Ishtars is it more advantageous to be able to manufacture them using 1 manufacturing slot, or 10 at once?
"That Sucks" sounds a lot like jealousy to me. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
1009
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:46:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:What I want to know is why a member of the goon economic warfare team is creating this thread at all.
What does he have to gain by it? Trolling for tears? Actually curious about the opinions of others after years of gloatingly stating "your opinion means nothing".
This entire post is completely out of character, and I am curious why it was created.
I don't think Goonswarm are the largest owners of T2 BPO;s and by no way do they own the most on a per char basis. I know a couple of the corps that are quite small and own many of these items. Many others are privately owned. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |

Louise Beethoven
Hedion University Amarr Empire
111
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:59:00 -
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There's no way in hell CCP will inject hundreds of billions of ISK into the economy to refund BPOs which are hugely inflated in value.
This is going to create an armageddon of player tears. I can't wait. |
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