As anyone who was watching the fanfest stream knows, CCP Greyscale today announced that T2 BPOs will be going away in the future: that they've caused problems for the game for years and everyone has felt they'd be going away at some point. That point is apparently coming soon. The discussion indicated that they would not simply be deleted but that there would be a phasing out plan (presumably, the often-considered replacement with BPCs with a large number of copies).

Interestingly, CCP thought that people buying and selling T2 BPOs should have been taking this risk into account. As every bpo sells for something like 7-10 years profit at this point, players clearly did not have that sort of foresight or common sense, so we can expect the price to plummet dramatically.

What are people's thoughts on finally eradicating T2 BPOs to secure a future for invention as the only means of producing T2 bpos, and what do people think will happen in the interim between now and their eventual demise? What sorts of outrage do we expect from current T2 BPO holders who see large parts of their investment wiped out? Should they be compensated, or should we realize that buying a product that clearly was bad for the game and paying a decade's worth of profit was the sort of "sure, let me lend a million dollars to this strawberry picker for a mortgage on a mansion worth more than he'll make in his lifetime" financial decision that deserves the loss that everyone but they saw coming? When it comes to the plan to bail out T2 bpo holders with BPCs, how much is enough/too much? What sort of prices do we think we'll see people bailing out of their T2 BPO investments at, or do you think they'll hang onto them hoping that if they post loudly enough, they'll change CCP's mind?

Exactly how many T2 BPOs do you believe there are in game, and which ones exactly can shut down all invention?

If a single BPO can shut down all invention, what does it tell you about demand for that particular item?

Have you actually done invention? A T2 BPO owner is limited on how many items he can make in a given time period. Inventors can create virtually unlimited runs that can be built simultaneously.

If there is a lot of demand for Ishtars (for instance) an you build Ishtars is it more advantageous to be able to manufacture them using 1 manufacturing slot, or 10 at once?

"That Sucks" sounds a lot like jealousy to me.

Making copies of a T2 BPO means the only limitation of items to be made is based on the number of manufacturing jobs you and your alts have skills for.

It is an unfair game mechanic. You are on the other side of course, because you are benefiting from the imbalance. Congrats. CCP is going to fix it. Great.

Making copies of a T2 BPO means the only limitation of items to be made is based on the number of manufacturing jobs you and your alts have skills for.

It is an unfair game mechanic. You are on the other side of course, because you are benefiting from the imbalance. Congrats. CCP is going to fix it. Great.

Making copies takes longer per run than manufacturing. How does that disadvantage create an advantage?

You keep saying it's unfair, but you have not demonstrated how. See jealousy.

How do I benefit when I no longer own a T2 BPO and have not for many years?

I don't do T2 manufacturing.

I just want the mechanics of EVE to be equal for all. This is an instance where it is NOT.

Note, I said MECHANICS. Not skills, not experience... etc. So don't try to derail and turn this into "making EVE easier".

Goons want your T2 BPO'S

Goons sperg post to create panic that they all going to get removed and your going to be holding nothing.

Stupid people rush to sell their T2 BPO's for next to nothing.

Goons buy lots of T2 BPO's very cheap and laugh at how stupid people are.

CCP announce they will do something to T2 BPO's in soon..

x number of years later T2 BPO's still exist in their current form.

I am not jealous. I don't do T2 manufacturing. You trying to derail the conversation with personal attacks is juvenile.

I just want the mechanics of EVE to be equal for all. This is an instance where it is NOT.

Note, I said MECHANICS. Not skills, not experience... etc. So don't try to derail and turn this into "making EVE easier".

I don't have one. I just have a problem with CCP vaporizing player's assets to make up for their own past mistakes.

O.K. You admittedly don't do T2 manufacturing so you have no idea what you are talking about and have never done the math because you'd know that invention is more lucrative.

Just because you *believe* something is bad due to simple ignorance or because someone else told you to believe so is not a good reason for CCP to take something away from another player because you can't have it too.

Gotcha. All is clear now. Original synopsis affirmed.

There's no need to take my word for it: anyone who watched the panel (or paid for HD and can rewatch) can confirm. I realize that denial is the first stage of grief but you're going to need to work harder on it.

Exactly how many T2 BPOs do you believe there are in game, and which ones exactly can shut down all invention?

If a single BPO can shut down all invention, what does it tell you about demand for that particular item?

Have you actually done invention? A T2 BPO owner is limited on how many items he can make in a given time period. Inventors can create virtually unlimited runs that can be built simultaneously.

If there is a lot of demand for Ishtars (for instance) an you build Ishtars is it more advantageous to be able to manufacture them using 1 manufacturing slot, or 10 at once?

"That Sucks" sounds a lot like jealousy to me.

I don't have one. I just have a problem with CCP vaporizing player's CCP's assets to make up for their own past mistakes.

No, "that sucks" goes a long way to making invention even worse. And yes, there are definitely items where invention is not a thing because of the BPOs... devs have talked about it before, most recently in some of the industry threads. If you've got the right T2 BPO it will dominate that market to the point where it is literally impossible to profit from invention. In those particular cases, the production capabilities of the BPO outpace demand, apparently by a wide enough margin that normal playerbase growth will never offset it. I believe it's some certain ships... like the HACs or something. Or at least it used to be. I honestly don't know all the economic details of which ones, I just know what's shown up in devblogs, dev posts, and to a lesser extent what some of the players have said on the forums.

O.K. You admittedly don't do T2 manufacturing so you have no idea what you are talking about and have never done the math because you'd know that invention is more lucrative.

Just because you *believe* something is bad due to simple ignorance or because someone else told you to believe so is not a good reason for CCP to take something away from another player because you can't have it too.

Gotcha. All is clear now. Original synopsis affirmed.

stop sounding like a stupid scrub, T2 BPOs outside the scope of invention should and WILL be eradicated.

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