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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:28:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote: I'm sorry, I can't help but find it hilarious. Deface my name on the monument and I'd probably wet myself laughing.
I'm hoping if they ever bag mine, they at least have the decency to hit it with thermite, or at least a pencil torch, after all the 'Kill it with FIRE!' posts about me.
James Amril-Kesh wrote: You still have yet to demonstrate the hypocrisy.
Since you seem to utterly fail to understand why Mittens would be a criminal, here is a brief primer.
http://www.wisegeek.org/what-are-internet-harassment-laws.htm
So, yes, hypocrisy. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3320
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:30:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yeah, wanting someone to be held accountable for an actual crime is definitely hypocrisy. No, but screaming for the banhammer and full on raging is always funny. Particularly so soon after the Bonus Room episode and all the screeching when CCP exercised their right to enforce their EULA without asking permission from forum ragers. And various people went, predictably, berserk. I'm sorry, I can't help but find it hilarious. Deface my name on the monument and I'd probably wet myself laughing. Both 'victims' are the least likely to inspire any sort of sympathy, but fair play for being outraged on behalf of the 'community'. I especially love the This is just despicable! Goon posts, and the irony in making these remarks immediately after fanfest. I hope the 'perp' pleads not guilty, cos they were drunk. And blames fellow players. Good luck with the forum detecting and prosecution though, off to a good start. Who is "screaming for the banhammer". The only person here screaming is you, when you come in screaming wild accusations abut how people are reacting. We are perfectly happy to watch CCP proceed down whatever line of investigation they want, and if they find he culprit, they will inevitably ban them, that's pretty much a given. We're simply stating that we would not be opposed to that.
honestly, if you can't see the difference between this and the other things you've mentioned, then I really don't know what to say. Perhaps suggesting you go to school wouldn't be a hard push. Maybe since you'e got such a hard on for the Mittani you should go back and read what actually happened, then you'd realise nobody was saying "not guilty", not even Mittani himself. He took his punishment, end of. with the E1 situation, it wasn't CCPs decision, but the fact that it was taken purely off the back of a single CSM members hate campaign with THE VICTIM stating that there should be no banning. When the victim is on the other side of the argument, that's a clear sign of a problem.
The problem with people like you is that you don;t actually believe the horse **** you come out with. You just want to try and turn everything, no matter what is is, back into "grr goons" ****. Take a loot at the actual situation. Are you honestly saying that you think vandalism of a public monument in a capital city is perfectly reasonable behaviour? If no, then shut the **** up, if yes, then re-evaluate your positions in society. Either way, quit crying. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:30:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Well, if it wasn't the Goons who are up here saying that it's a horrible crime that needs prosecuted, with what can only be called staggering hypocrisy, you wouldn't have the Grr Goons step. You always have the Grrr Goons step. It's the only constant on the forum.
It should be officially called the "Grrr Goons Constant" and be given a value. There should be a formula derived to determine the number of pages before "Grrr Goons" appears in any thread. Something of the form:
N = Grr Goons x f(x)
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:32:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:I like where this thread has gone.
Community outrage --> internet lawyering ---> crimes against humanity and attempted murder ---> Grrr Goons.
It always comes back to Grrr Goons. Well, if it wasn't the Goons who are up here saying that it's a horrible crime that needs prosecuted, with what can only be called staggering hypocrisy, you wouldn't have the Grr Goons step. Yes, if you have absolutely no idea how the law works, then yes, it could seem like staggering hypocrisy. That doesn't mean it actually is though, it just means your skewed view makes it appear that way. It's kinda like magic, but stupid. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:36:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Marsha Mallow wrote:Deface my name on the monument and I'd probably wet myself laughing. Both 'victims' are the least likely to inspire any sort of sympathy, but fair play for being outraged on behalf of the 'community'. I see three potential victims here. CCP's monument was defaced. Xenuria's name was defaced on the monument. Gevlon Goblin was framed for it. So what if you don't care about your name being defaced, that's still physical damage to CCP's property. I don't like Xenuria. I don't care about GG. I do care about CCP and this community. Marsha Mallow wrote:I especially love the This is just despicable! Goon posts, and the irony in making these remarks immediately after fanfest. I hope the 'perp' pleads not guilty, cos they were drunk. And blames fellow players. Good luck with the forum detecting and prosecution though, off to a good start. I hope you realize that the main gist of the "Goon posts" in this thread has been to shift the focus away from GG - a good thing since he doesn't appear to have done this. Trying to blame us for a witchhunt is a bit misguided when we're the ones lending rationality to this debacle. Dude. This post has absolutely no place for sound logical arguments. We're all just screaming, remember?
BAN GEVLON GEVLON MUST BE DESTROYED
See, like that. As soon as Riptard Feg get's on board it will be all gravy. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:37:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I see three potential victims here. CCP's monument was defaced. Xenuria's name was defaced on the monument. Gevlon Goblin was framed for it.
So what if you don't care about your name being defaced, that's still physical damage to CCP's property.
I don't like Xenuria. I don't care about GG. I do care about CCP and this community. Same, but if you are going to run up and down waving your arms about how the community has been disrespected, trolled, violated. Remember where you are and who you identify with ingame. Just for a minute.
James Amril-Kesh wrote:I hope you realize that the main gist of the "Goon posts" in this thread has been to shift the focus away from GG - a good thing since he doesn't appear to have done this. Trying to blame us for a witchhunt is a bit misguided when we're the ones lending rationality to this debacle. Ye, I agree don't start a witch hunt. But when you attempt to 'lend rationality' to the debacle in all seriousness, don't expect us not to fall about laughing whilst our irony meters explode.
And you did deface the monument yourselves shortly before (but only with a sticker, so that was OK). I'm contacting IZ to see if the sticker should be classed as public defacement.
I look forward to your 250 posts of righteousness. Hit meh. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
429
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:39:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Yes, if you have absolutely no idea how the law works, then yes, it could seem like staggering hypocrisy.
That doesn't mean it actually is though, it just means your skewed view makes it appear that way. It's kinda like magic, but stupid.
So, he didn't get on stage and present a power point presentation geared toward harassing someone until they committed suicide? (A very, very serious form of internet harassment that carries the maximum sentence, and at the very least can be argued as intent to commit even if proof could not be offered that he had indeed done such a thing)
I'll file that one away with "the holocaust never happened". It's revisionism, plain and simple. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:44:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote: So, he didn't get on stage and present a power point presentation geared toward harassing someone until they committed suicide?
No, he did not.
He got up on stage and gave a powerpoint presentation dedicating the inauguration of the Ministry of Love, GSF's highsec ganking arm. The Wiz statement was a poorly worded afterthought after having slammed a not inconsiderable amount of alcohol. A statement for which he publicly apologized and accepted his punishment for.
Which is a far cry from the disengenous, biased horseshit you're trying to feed.
Oh, and an indian tribe isn't a country. Not recognized by any international body. They're not a nation any more than Broncos fans. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9532
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:44:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Same, but if you are going to run up and down waving your arms about how the community has been disrespected, trolled, violated. Remember where you are and who you identify with ingame. Just for a minute. In. Game. Remember that. Just for a minute.
Marsha Mallow wrote:Ye, I agree don't start a witch hunt. But when you attempt to 'lend rationality' to the debacle in all seriousness, don't expect us not to fall about laughing whilst our irony meters explode. You can fall down laughing if you like, just don't be surprised when everyone looks at you funny.
Marsha Mallow wrote:And you did deface the monument yourselves shortly before (but only with a sticker, so that was OK). I'm contacting IZ to see if the sticker should be classed as public defacement. Yes, we did that. All of us, collectively. I, James Amril-Kesh, defaced a monument in a country I've never set foot on. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10598
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:46:00 -
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ITT dumb pubbies think that everything that is ever done that remotely involves goonswarm was done by goonswarm Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10598
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:47:00 -
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hisec needs another good flogging from the looks of it Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:47:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:So, he didn't get on stage and present a power point presentation geared toward harassing someone until they committed suicide? Sure he did deliver a powerpoint presentation (what it was geared towards or not is where controversy comes into that whole issue). But that's not what the previous post was about. It was about you lacking knowledge of the law.
In terms of lacking knowledge of the law - it equally applies to almost all of us here. Internet lawyering and interpreting any issue in terms of legal implications is funny.
I like funny (I'm being Gallen Tollen again).
Quote:(A very, very serious form of internet harassment that carries the maximum sentence, and at the very least can be argued as intent to commit even if proof could not be offered that he had indeed done such a thing) Under what criminal code? Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10598
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:50:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Under what criminal code?
the law of the internet, made by internet legislature and enforced by the internet police Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:50:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Yes, if you have absolutely no idea how the law works, then yes, it could seem like staggering hypocrisy.
That doesn't mean it actually is though, it just means your skewed view makes it appear that way. It's kinda like magic, but stupid. So, he didn't get on stage and present a power point presentation geared toward harassing someone until they committed suicide? (A very, very serious form of internet harassment that carries the maximum sentence, and at the very least can be argued as intent to commit even if proof could not be offered that he had indeed done such a thing) I'll file that one away with "the holocaust never happened". It's revisionism, plain and simple. So file charges against him. If you think justice has not been done, and you think that what took place was not enough, then go fseek a prosecution. At the end of the day it was a joke that went too far, which everyone knew, and Mittani took full responsibility for. It's wasn't a specifically designed pyche campaign with the sole intent of causing a player to commit suicide. The fact that you think it was is probably one of the most ludicrous things I've heard this year. We don't need to revise anything, all the facts are there for you to go and find out. Just because you've read a single sensationalised piece of media about the situation and assumed it was entirely fact doesn't make that the case. Go educate yourself.
Then beyond that, are you saying that therefore means that nobody should ever be challenged over any crime, simply because in your opinion justice wasn't done once? So by Mittani not being prosecuted, somehow that makes it acceptable to go out and vandalise public property? Is that what you are saying? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10598
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:52:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:I'll file that one away with "the holocaust never happened". It's revisionism, plain and simple.
"mittens didn't actually try to kill someone" isn't revisionism just the truth and you're a pretty sad excuse for a human being for comparing that to a genocide and the human garbage that deny it Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:53:00 -
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Stop blaming Goons, they are too busy subvertig civil order in the Crimea. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
430
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:55:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Oh, and an indian tribe isn't a country. Not recognized by any international body. They're not a nation any more than Broncos fans.
Recognized by:
the United States of America
The United Nations (though not a member state)
The United Kingdom
Canada
France
Probably some others I don't know about
If you don't believe me, please come on our territory and commit a crime. The US DEA did. And they were arrested and deported. While we may be considered a 'domestically dependent nation' we are in still in fact a sovereign country. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:57:00 -
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You guys...
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5748
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:59:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:While we may be considered a 'domestically dependent nation' we are in still in fact a sovereign country.
The two are mutually exclusive terms. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Locke DieDrake
The Arrow Project
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:02:00 -
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Disgraceful.
CCP I believe i speak for most of the community on this. Bring the hammer down. Everything you can do to the responsible parties, do. |
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:11:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:http://www.ncsl.org/research/telecommunications-and-information-technology/cyberstalking-and-cyberharassment-laws.aspx
Here's a list. Though this one is just for the United States
Ah, I see. Please explain to me as a layman, how any of that US law relating to cyberbullying and cyberharrassment apply to the delivery of a presentation to a group of people in a real venue, in a different country, can actually apply.
Also, if it's not too much trouble, please click on any of the actual pieces of legislation linked and let me know how they are relevant. What criminal law was violated? I just clicked on 3 of them and can't read into the actual text, how any of it applies to what was done a couple of years ago at FanFest.
As a result, I'm still a little clueless about the value of internet lawyering.
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:14:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: The two are mutually exclusive terms.
It's part of the US governments elaborate dance on native sovereignty. We're in a better position than most nations, we got it in writing early on.
We're 'domestically dependent' only in the sense that we agreed to give up our army in exchange for the US to do the job. I might point out Japan had the same arraignment for quite some time. |
London
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:16:00 -
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So much for a 'mature' player base, I can't believe someone would do something like that and brag about it. Completely disgusting, ban that player for life.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5748
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:19:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: The two are mutually exclusive terms.
It's part of the US governments elaborate dance on native sovereignty. We're in a better position than most nations, we got it in writing early on. We're 'domestically dependent' only in the sense that we agreed to give up our army in exchange for the US to do the job. I might point out Japan had the same arraignment for quite some time.
The difference is that Japan is actually a sovereign nation, notably with it's own representation in the U.N., it doesn't just call itself one. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
430
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:26:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote: As a result, I'm still a little clueless about the value of internet lawyering.
Can you help me out?
Ha. As to which one applies it would depend on the victims location. The US has this weird thing that they consider the 'location' of crimes committed involving the internet to not be where the person committing the crime was, but where the victim was. So which applies is a good question, I admit, and might not apply at all, if they were located in the right jurisdiction.
This is why they get things like United States v. ElcomSoft and Dmitry Sklyarov and the whole Kim Dotcom debacle. So far, all the cases tried under this (that I know of) have been either plea bargained or the case dropped. I'll be honest, it would be interesting to see someone move the whole way through the system on this one without a plea bargain to see if this holds up under scrutiny or not, and on of the reasons that I've been watching the Megaupload thing closely. Megaupload was located in Hong Kong, and about as far from US sovereignty as one can get.
And unlike the average guy, they have the money to fight.
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Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
125
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:30:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: OP: Some EVE players can not separate them self from the game.
Themselves.
Thats been shown in the past unfort, like a certain incident involving a titan pilot and power cables...
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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3450
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:31:00 -
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Why do people take this monument so seriously?
Do they take it personally that the name they typed in for their pixels is somewhere in the real world? Is that a source of pride to some people? If so, wat. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
430
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:33:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: The difference is that Japan is actually a sovereign nation, notably with it's own representation in the U.N., it doesn't just call itself one.
Again, feel free to come here and commit a crime in front of the Seneca Marshals. They WILL arrest you and DO have the power to do so. The court DOES have the power to punish your ass, and you DO NOT have rights under the law but the one's OUR laws give you as long as you are on OUR sovereign territory.
It's why you can't get a mortgage in Salamanca, but China was willing to lend us half a billion dollars.
I don't see them doing that for the Broncos. |
Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
293
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:38:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Abrazzar wrote: What country are you from?
Seneca Nation of Indians.
Hello! I thought I was the only Haudenosaunee playing EvE Online! Please stop grring at goons, though, as it gives me and potentially ones of other Iroquois players a bad name. And if you actually live on Seneca lands, then you should be well aware that regardless of the number of treaties the US government might need to break in order to impugn our Sovereignty, they'll do it, so asking them might not be too good of an idea to back up our claim that we are a confederacy of free nations. Wolfbane Hauler Inc Looking For Combat And Industrial Pilots |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1429
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:40:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:As to which one applies it would depend on the victims location. The US has this weird thing that they consider the 'location' of crimes committed involving the internet to not be where the person committing the crime was, but where the victim was.
OK, but how does an internet law apply to a situation that didn't occur within the internet?
How does the issue of intent, which on clicking those laws, all of them included from what I can read as a layman, apply?
Is there any way in your deep knowledge of the law as applied to the internet, that you can just even explain in simple terms how an actual quote from any of that legislation applies to The Mittani situation, to conclude that it was "A very, very serious form of internet harassment that carries the maximum sentence".
Because as far as I know, The Mittani has never been charged with any offence for what he stupidly did; and no one has ever been able to explain to me in simple, factual terms what actual criminal code applied to his dump actions.
Any chance you can stop talking in general terms and actually explain it factually based on an actual criminal code?
I struggle with internet lawyering because in my experience it leads to grose exaggerations, but I'm always open to be shown where real law applies. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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