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Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:14:00 -
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We all know lots of players in EVE are dicks in game. Over the past five years I would find my self asking how much of it do they carry outside the game? https://twitter.com/The_Real_Gevlon/status/463002069989736448 I think this pretty much sums it up.
vandalizing the monument is way overboard. These are "adults" doing this really pretty sad. I think if it is found out who the player(s) are they are vandalizing the monument the related EVE accounts should be perma ban. And as well as punished based on the countries laws of vandalism.
Poor taste. |
Obunagawe
355
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:17:00 -
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What is that monument anyway? |
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:20:00 -
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Obunagawe wrote:What is that monument anyway? Something CCP had made to commemorate their players.
http://eve.com/monument/about-the-monument/ http://eve.com/monument/name-finder/
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3899
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:21:00 -
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Rich from someone who had a name so offensive or childish or both that it was censored. "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Dominus Tempus
Forced Euthanasia
10
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:21:00 -
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Wow, what an ass.
I hope that guy gets what's coming to him. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3215
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:23:00 -
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Great way to ruin your reputation in EVE and as a person IRL. I'd call that efficient. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:30:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Rich from someone who had a name so offensive or childish or both that it was censored. Forums just like the game are still our avatars. Being here on the forums is just like being in game. Your point is invalid. Also it was changed because they called it impersonation.
So not only if your point invalid it is also incorrect. Now to the point stay on topic.
Your post has also been reported as an attempt to derail the thread and troll.
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:32:00 -
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The point of this thread it to draw attention that people are defacing our monument. we all need to encourage people to not due this. It has been not even a month and we have two confirmed cases of vandalism already.
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Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
647
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:35:00 -
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Whoever dod that needs their head checking... Congrats on being a complete **** in RL. Defacing something is vandalism and says a lot about that type of person tbh...
Whoever did this, you're a disgrace... Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2607
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:35:00 -
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That really is rather incredibly depressing. Aaaaaaand relax. |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3899
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:36:00 -
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Rich from someone who had a name so offensive or childish or both that it was censored. Forums just like the game are still our avatars. Being here on the forums is just like being in game. Your point is invalid. Also it was changed because they called it impersonation. So not only if your point invalid it is also incorrect. Now to the point stay on topic. Your post has also been reported as an attempt to derail the thread and troll.
. <-------- this is my tear from your unkind words.
Your OP was reported for trolling long before I even pointed out your hypocrisy.
My point cant be invalid as it is obviously true.
Enjoy the lock. "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Dominic karin
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
44
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:36:00 -
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Unbelievable. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110918
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:36:00 -
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OP: Some EVE players can not separate them self from the game.
Themselves. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Dominic karin
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
45
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:37:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Rich from someone who had a name so offensive or childish or both that it was censored. Forums just like the game are still our avatars. Being here on the forums is just like being in game. Your point is invalid. Also it was changed because they called it impersonation. So not only if your point invalid it is also incorrect. Now to the point stay on topic. Your post has also been reported as an attempt to derail the thread and troll. . <-------- this is my tear from your unkind words. Your OP was reported for trolling long before I even pointed out your hypocrisy. My point cant be invalid as it is obviously true. Enjoy the lock.
Not defending anyone, but having a shitlord name in game and actually being a shitlord in real life and doing this are two completely different things. If you can't see the difference I don't know what can be done for you. |
Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
61347
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:39:00 -
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I may dislike Xenuria.
But that is just so low that no words can describe it. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3899
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:40:00 -
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Dominic karin wrote:
Not defending anyone, but having a shitlord name in game and actually being a shitlord in real life and doing this are two completely different things. If you can't see the difference I don't know what can be done for you.
Sorry when did real life come into this at all?
OP called the playerbase out even though they have already been guilty of the same thing
Its wrong to point out that hypocrisy? "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:50:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote: Sorry when did real life come into this at all?
When someone went to a real life monument and defaced it?
Ramona McCandless wrote: OP called the playerbase out even though they have already been guilty of the same thing
Its wrong to point out that hypocrisy?
I defaced a Real Life monument because my in game name was changed because of impersonation?
I called out the scum lords who took real life time to go and destroy a real life monument based on there in game feelings for someone else.
This is why I do not post these type of threads from a main character less someone like you goes to the monument and scratches my name out.
If you can not tell the difference between a in game name violation and vandalizing a monument that was built for us players in real life, then you are one of these players I am talking about. |
Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
7758
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:53:00 -
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who is Xenuria, and why do many people dislike him/her?
And yeah thats so sad....
I like Mizhir. Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!! |
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:53:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: OP: Some EVE players can not separate them self from the game.
Themselves.
Fixed |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
1136
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:54:00 -
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Ok, it's not the Vietnam War Memorial or anything, it's just a monument to a video game, let's keep this in perspective. A little vandalism will probably give it more character. www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3904
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:55:00 -
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: Sorry when did real life come into this at all?
When someone went to a real life monument and defaced it? Ramona McCandless wrote: OP called the playerbase out even though they have already been guilty of the same thing
Its wrong to point out that hypocrisy?
I defaced a Real Life monument because my in game name was changed because of impersonation? I called out the scum lords who took real life time to go and destroy a real life monument based on there in game feelings for someone else. This is why I do not post these type of threads from a main character less someone like you goes to the monument and scratches my name out. If you can not tell the difference between a in game name violation and vandalizing a monument that was built for us players in real life, then you are one of these players I am talking about.
Uh huh.
So, its ok to rant like you are doing because you *think* something happened without proof, called people things without knowing any facts, suggest it in some way matters, and that everyone should care...
And you had something far worse as your name.
Yeah, you are making me feel real bad for pointing you that you are a disgusting hypocrit.
Bew ******* hew. "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:56:00 -
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Tollen Gallen wrote:who is Xenuria, and why do many people dislike him/her?
And yeah thats so sad....
I like Mizhir. That is not really the point. The point is why do some people think it is ok to go around vandalizing art like this?
As a community I think we should be ready to stand behind CCP if they choose to take action on this sort of thing. Say they find out the player who did it, I think we should all agree taking action on the players account would not be out of the question. |
Adunh Slavy
1377
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:56:00 -
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Looks photoshopped to me.
But if it is real, ban. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Tiberius StarGazer
The StarGazer Family Corporation
432
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:58:00 -
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I hope CCP take all of Gevlons ISK in plex value for the repair, that's bloody discusting. |
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.05.04 18:58:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote: because you *think* something happened without proof.
Proof
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:00:00 -
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Tiberius StarGazer wrote:I hope CCP take all of Gevlons ISK in plex value for the repair, that's bloody discusting. If it is proven that it was him/her I agree.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3904
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:01:00 -
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: because you *think* something happened without proof. Proof
Ok let me make this REAL simple for you
Adunh Slavy wrote:Looks photoshopped to me..
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1322
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:02:00 -
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The guy that vandalize that monument is a ******** and should be impaled. The Tears Must Flow |
Penguinizer Illat
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
3
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:02:00 -
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:Tiberius StarGazer wrote:I hope CCP take all of Gevlons ISK in plex value for the repair, that's bloody discusting. If it is proven that it was him/her I agree.
Gevlon tweeted it, which doesn't help his case. |
Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
7759
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:03:00 -
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:Tollen Gallen wrote:who is Xenuria, and why do many people dislike him/her?
And yeah thats so sad....
I like Mizhir. stuff
Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!! |
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Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union SONS of BANE
243
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:03:00 -
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Repair it, give the workers a generous tip and send the bill to him. |
Adunh Slavy
1377
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:04:00 -
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: because you *think* something happened without proof. Proof
Maybe it's not photoshopped, pretty darn good job if it is a fake.
Ban him anyway. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
mkint
1181
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:05:00 -
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Obunagawe wrote:What is that monument anyway? It's Hilmar's way of patting himself on the back.
But even though I think the monument is one of the most self congratulatory, arrogant, ego driven wastes of $ (especially considering not too long ago, CCP had big enough $ issues that they had to fire 1/3 of all their employees), the vandalism is still upsetting. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
722
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:06:00 -
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Ha i predicted this when they announced it \o/
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Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
331
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:06:00 -
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:Tiberius StarGazer wrote:I hope CCP take all of Gevlons ISK in plex value for the repair, that's bloody discusting. If it is proven that it was him/her I agree.
They implicated themselves.
"Found your name and lost it again" is pretty ******* incriminating if you asked me. I hope CCP are considering charging them for property damage. |
Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
95
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:10:00 -
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not really suprised. actually Im more suprised the statue isnt turned into one giant graffiti target this weekend.
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CCP Falcon
6589
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:10:00 -
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We're well aware of this, and are dealing with the situation as we speak.
Frankly, on a personal note, I find this absolutely disgusting and completely detrimental to the EVE Community's close knit spirit.
We'll have more information tomorrow afternoon/evening regarding this.
Really sorry that this has happened guys
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents |
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Dixxon Harass
Honestly We didnt know Unsettled.
6
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:10:00 -
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What a despicable act. Make that soab pay and ban him from this game. |
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:13:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:We're well aware of this, and are dealing with the situation as we speak. Frankly, on a personal note, I find this absolutely disgusting and completely detrimental to the EVE Community's close knit spirit. We'll have more information tomorrow afternoon/evening regarding this. Really sorry that this has happened guys
It is not your fault in anyway. And I am glad you are looking into this. |
Arec Bardwin
1357
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:13:00 -
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You couldn't just micturate on the monument like a normal person |
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BLACK-STAR
621
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:14:00 -
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That's a shame someone acted completely stupid and did this. If I was CCP, I would get in touch with Twitter and pull that IP and trace his EVE account and go as far as pressing charges for damages.
- If violence does not solve your problem, you may not have used enough of it. |
Finarvas
Borderline Procurements
4
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:15:00 -
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This is why we can't have nice things :( |
HeXxploiT
Little Red X
17
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:16:00 -
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I find this thread laughable. I mean seriously I laughed out loud. People that spend all day on internet forums flaming others telling other people they ought to be ashamed of themselves for their behavior.
I am quite LITERALLY ******* laughing right now... |
Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
97
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:16:00 -
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BLACK-STAR wrote:That's a shame someone acted completely stupid and did this. If I was CCP, I would get in touch with Twitter and pull that IP and trace his EVE account and go as far as pressing charges for damages.
and IP ban that account.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
740
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:19:00 -
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Rovinia wrote:Repair it, give the workers a generous tip and send the bill to him. This. Remove insurance. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
301
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:21:00 -
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The monument needs an honour guard 24/7, I'll take the first watch, CCP transfer airline funds into my account. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1239
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:22:00 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it.
The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
Also as a personal note, regardless of who's name it is on that monument, you could always find reasons. Next could be me because some 'hate' me on the forums. Would that reasoning make it right? It's a real life statue in the public domain. It should not be molested for whatever reason. Think about it, if this would be ok, where would the final line be drawn? ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:22:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:The monument needs an honour guard 24/7, I'll take the first watch, CCP transfer airline funds into my account. As long as there is WIFI in the area so we can play some EVE while we watch it lol. |
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:24:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it. The Rules:4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.Also as a personal note, regardless of who's name it is on that monument, you could always find reasons. Next could be me because some 'hate' me on the forums. Would that reasoning make it right? It's a real life statue in the public domain. It should not be molested for whatever reason. Think about it, if this would be ok, where would the final line be drawn? Very well said. |
Doris Dents
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
392
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:25:00 -
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mkint wrote:Obunagawe wrote:What is that monument anyway? It's Hilmar's way of patting himself on the back. But even though I think the monument is one of the most self congratulatory, arrogant, ego driven wastes of $ (especially considering not too long ago, CCP had big enough $ issues that they had to fire 1/3 of all their employees), the vandalism is still upsetting. If it didn't pay for itself and then some with people resubbing to get their name on it then marketing needs a kick up the arse. |
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:26:00 -
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Doris Dents wrote:mkint wrote:Obunagawe wrote:What is that monument anyway? It's Hilmar's way of patting himself on the back. But even though I think the monument is one of the most self congratulatory, arrogant, ego driven wastes of $ (especially considering not too long ago, CCP had big enough $ issues that they had to fire 1/3 of all their employees), the vandalism is still upsetting. If it didn't pay for itself and then some with people resubbing to get their name on it then marketing needs a kick up the arse. I know I opened my alt account for it. |
Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1015
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:31:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:We're well aware of this, and are dealing with the situation as we speak. Frankly, on a personal note, I find this absolutely disgusting and completely detrimental to the EVE Community's close knit spirit. We'll have more information tomorrow afternoon/evening regarding this. Really sorry that this has happened guys
Happy to see that this is in hand Falcon.
Lets hope the worm responsible is caught soon. RvB Ganked: EVE's Number One Public Roam |
Naomi Hale
Children of New Eden
208
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:34:00 -
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Saddest part is that the culprit seems to think they are doing it on behalf of everyone in EVE. I can't speak for everyone but please don't commit crimes on my behalf (and no matter how minor it is a crime).
I personally don't know who Xenuria is, and chances are I never will or care to. EVE is a game, keep it in the game. I'm Naomi Hale and this is my favourite thread on the forums. |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
244
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:35:00 -
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So what did Xenuria actually do to get someone to fly all over to Iceland to scratch a monument with his/her in game character name on it ? I mean sure I might dislike some people in the game or in RL but I can't see a point in flying 100's of miles on my own expense just to scratch their character name from some statue.
There's a lot better ways to spend a $300 and some I tell you. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4862
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:38:00 -
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There is a deep dark truth afoot.
But as I explained in the great E1 threadnaugt, there is a web forum frequented by cops and soldiers (still can't say what site) where trolling almost got someone stabbed. Yeah, cops and soldiers.
So I'm not surprised.
I think there is potential for astute anthropologists and psychologists to see a new emerging kind of low life ("low" life, not lowlife) here. Unfortunately whatever conclusions they draw will only be taken by governments to push their Internet ID agenda which is intended to stifle the free and open (speech on the) internet. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
655
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:39:00 -
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Who is Xenuria and why does everyone seem to hate him? I saw more stuff surrounding this guy during the CSM elections. Someone inform me? My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7264
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:39:00 -
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you've got to be quite an ass to be the unlikable jerk in an interaction between you and xenuria
good going, internet dude, you actually made xenuria look good (relatively speaking), nobody thought that was possible Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110921
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:42:00 -
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This is exactly why I stick to myself and my own "guns" in EVE.
I've never understood what is so funny to guys who do this kind of crap.
If they are found out, I pray CCP removes their names from the monument. And permabans all around. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
13130
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:42:00 -
[59] - Quote
Charge whats-his-face for the replacement of the plate that was vandalized, and apply banhammer liberally.
He took it too far, yet I doubt CCP will take it far enough. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Johan Civire
The Lyran Empire
851
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:43:00 -
[60] - Quote
Obunagawe wrote:What is that monument anyway?
That's that think you know that rock and you are on it :"Character name 'Obunagawe' was found on plate row 3 and column 20. Line number is 63"
Have fun |
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Sarah Flynt
Federation Interstellar Resources
20
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:43:00 -
[61] - Quote
Penguinizer Illat wrote:Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:Tiberius StarGazer wrote:I hope CCP take all of Gevlons ISK in plex value for the repair, that's bloody discusting. If it is proven that it was him/her I agree. Gevlon tweeted it, which doesn't help his case.
And what makes you think it is his account? The Twitter account is brand new with just a single tweet on it and Gevlon doesn't have a single reference to any Twitter account in his blog (if he had one, I'm sure it would be there somewhere as he even put an email address there). This looks more like a very amateurish attempt to discredit him.
With that said, vandalizing the monument is far beyond pathetic. I hope CCP finds the one who did it.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1118
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:43:00 -
[62] - Quote
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Charge whats-his-face for the replacement of the plate that was vandalized, and apply banhammer liberally.
He took it too far, yet I doubt CCP will take it far enough.
The problem is, it's entirely possible that it was not him that did this. That may be a fake twitter account, he may have just been bringing attention to it. I honestly think it might be photoshopped but the tone of the blue post in here suggests it's not. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2907
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:44:00 -
[63] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:you've got to be quite an ass to be the unlikable jerk in an interaction between you and xenuria
good going, internet dude, you actually made xenuria look good (relatively speaking), nobody thought that was possible
Of course, goons defacing the monument with their logo was all in good fun? Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:44:00 -
[64] - Quote
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Charge whats-his-face for the replacement of the plate that was vandalized, and apply banhammer liberally.
He took it too far, yet I doubt CCP will take it far enough. Thank is yet to be seen.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10583
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:46:00 -
[65] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Weaselior wrote:you've got to be quite an ass to be the unlikable jerk in an interaction between you and xenuria
good going, internet dude, you actually made xenuria look good (relatively speaking), nobody thought that was possible Of course, goons defacing the monument with their logo was all in good fun?
of course, every time somebody does something that involves goonswarm the masses think it came from the very top Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7267
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:47:00 -
[66] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Weaselior wrote:you've got to be quite an ass to be the unlikable jerk in an interaction between you and xenuria
good going, internet dude, you actually made xenuria look good (relatively speaking), nobody thought that was possible Of course, goons defacing the monument with their logo was all in good fun? whether or not it was in good taste, fatbee sticker is in much better taste than this Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1120
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:47:00 -
[67] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Weaselior wrote:you've got to be quite an ass to be the unlikable jerk in an interaction between you and xenuria
good going, internet dude, you actually made xenuria look good (relatively speaking), nobody thought that was possible Of course, goons defacing the monument with their logo was all in good fun?
Since that was a vinyl sticker designed to be removed without damaging the monument? Yes, actually, that was in good fun. That's a far cry from using an xacto knife on the darned thing! |
Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1221
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:48:00 -
[68] - Quote
Tiberius StarGazer wrote:I hope CCP take all of Gevlons ISK in plex value for the repair, that's bloody discusting.
I doubt it was him. I'm pretty sure that defacing a piece of private property, corporate capitalist art no less, would be a mortal sin under randian ethics. Plus, what exactly does he have against xenuria? Seems like a false flag to me to stir up something against both xenuria and gevlon. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1120
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:51:00 -
[69] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Tiberius StarGazer wrote:I hope CCP take all of Gevlons ISK in plex value for the repair, that's bloody discusting. I doubt it was him. I'm pretty sure that defacing a piece of private property, corporate capitalist art no less, would be a mortal sin under randian ethics. Plus, what exactly does he have against xenuria? Seems like a false flag to me to stir up something against both xenuria and gevlon.
Yeah, it's too obvious. New account, only twitter, his name in the twitter username... Sirs, we are being trolled. Worse, and the truly unforgivable thing: We are being trolled ineptly. |
Myxx
733
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:51:00 -
[70] - Quote
I've been witness to a few pretty horrible things that EVE players have done to one another in game and in the context of the 'meta' game.
But this is over the line. I propose that Gevlon is made Damnnatio Memoriae, just like some others have been. Incidentally, this is exactly what he tried to do to Xenuria.
I propose CCP replace the plaque with his name on it omitted, and have the one with Xenuria's repaired. Harsh punishment? Yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae |
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Dinger
Task Force Delta-14
9
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:54:00 -
[71] - Quote
Rivr Luzade wrote:EVE is real. Deal with it, CCP and "disappointed" players. What you do ingame can and will have RL consequences.
As Ezwal said where do you draw that line?
Nothing that isn't illegal that happens in a game justifies "RL consequences" no matter how trivial. People have in fact been seriously injured or even killed due to butthurt over videogames in the past. Anyone enough of a dunderhead to commit an illegal act as a result of some in game affront to their e-honour should rightly look forward to the RL consequences of their own retardery. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5063
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:55:00 -
[72] - Quote
Andski wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Weaselior wrote:you've got to be quite an ass to be the unlikable jerk in an interaction between you and xenuria
good going, internet dude, you actually made xenuria look good (relatively speaking), nobody thought that was possible Of course, goons defacing the monument with their logo was all in good fun? of course, every time somebody does something that involves goonswarm the masses think it came from the very top Goonswarm Federation; a ship without a captain. http://marlonasky.wordpress.com/ |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110921
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:55:00 -
[73] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Weaselior wrote:you've got to be quite an ass to be the unlikable jerk in an interaction between you and xenuria
good going, internet dude, you actually made xenuria look good (relatively speaking), nobody thought that was possible Of course, goons defacing the monument with their logo was all in good fun?
That thing was removable...and was. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
1
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:55:00 -
[74] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:We're well aware of this, and are dealing with the situation as we speak. Frankly, on a personal note, I find this absolutely disgusting and completely detrimental to the EVE Community's close knit spirit. We'll have more information tomorrow afternoon/evening regarding this. Really sorry that this has happened guys
FALCON DO NO APOLOGIZE FOR THIS. THIS MAN SHOULD BE ARREST FOR DESTRUCTION OF PRIVATE PROPERTY AMD AND BANNED FOR LIFE!! -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Dave Stark
5249
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:56:00 -
[75] - Quote
wow, just... wow. |
Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
552
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:59:00 -
[76] - Quote
In before "Xenuria himself did this".
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3905
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:59:00 -
[77] - Quote
Note to the poaster of the OP
Please stop spamming my Evemail
I accepted Falcon's post, and was never in favour of criminal damage, no matter what you might think.
As I have stated, you have now been reported for harassment, and out-of-game at that.
Please do not send me any further Evemails, thank you. "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1120
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:59:00 -
[78] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Andski wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Weaselior wrote:you've got to be quite an ass to be the unlikable jerk in an interaction between you and xenuria
good going, internet dude, you actually made xenuria look good (relatively speaking), nobody thought that was possible Of course, goons defacing the monument with their logo was all in good fun? of course, every time somebody does something that involves goonswarm the masses think it came from the very top Goonswarm Federation; a ship without a captain.
We prefer the term Swarm, ourselves. |
Solecist Project's Alt
Wildly Inept Pacifists
48
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:00:00 -
[79] - Quote
Is there any proof it was actually him? |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5063
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:01:00 -
[80] - Quote
Xython wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Andski wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Weaselior wrote:you've got to be quite an ass to be the unlikable jerk in an interaction between you and xenuria
good going, internet dude, you actually made xenuria look good (relatively speaking), nobody thought that was possible Of course, goons defacing the monument with their logo was all in good fun? of course, every time somebody does something that involves goonswarm the masses think it came from the very top Goonswarm Federation; a ship without a captain. We prefer the term Swarm, ourselves. Goonswarm Federation; a swarm without a queen. http://marlonasky.wordpress.com/ |
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
476
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:01:00 -
[81] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Weaselior wrote:you've got to be quite an ass to be the unlikable jerk in an interaction between you and xenuria
good going, internet dude, you actually made xenuria look good (relatively speaking), nobody thought that was possible Of course, goons defacing the monument with their logo was all in good fun? whether or not it was in good taste, fatbee sticker is in much better taste than this
Where's a almost not removable sticker better than almost permanent scratches? |
Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
1
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:02:00 -
[82] - Quote
Now I am not a big fan of the goons however I do respect them. They played a easy prank that was not hurting anyone. This punk permanently damaged this and basically pissed off all pilots across the world. I wonder how many wars this will start? -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Rakkis Grath
The Order of the Holy Asteroid
1
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:02:00 -
[83] - Quote
I think everyone needs to wait on some facts before name calling & finger-pointing. Yes, whoever did it is a total jackass. That said, if I made a Twitter account under the name The_Real_Mittani or The_Real_Chribba for instance; taking credit & yukking it up over fooling everyone into thinking it was Goblin, would that mean it was really The Mittani or Chribba who did it? Hell no! Of course not. Anybody can claim or say or accuse anything. That doesn't make it so. So yes, be angry. Be disgusted. DON'T however point fingers until all the facts are in. After all, next time it could be YOU the fingers are pointing at. Not a fanboy or anything, but I am a fan of having all pertinent info before calling someone out. |
Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
1
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:03:00 -
[84] - Quote
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:Is there any proof it was actually him?
CCP Falcon posted about this on Page 2 confirming -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Nakami Saans
Perkone Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:04:00 -
[85] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Xython wrote:
We prefer the term Swarm, ourselves.
Goonswarm Federation; a swarm without a queen.
I think Kerrigan is busy saving the Blizzard universe at the moment. |
Marsha Mallow
462
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:04:00 -
[86] - Quote
Sarah Flynt wrote:And what makes you think it is his account? The Twitter account is brand new with just a single tweet on it and Gevlon doesn't have a single reference to any Twitter account in his blog (if he had one, I'm sure it would be there somewhere as he even put an email address there). This looks more like a very amateurish attempt to discredit him.
With that said, vandalizing the monument is far beyond pathetic. I hope CCP finds the one who did it. This. Using a new twitter account suggests it isn't Gevlon. Don't start a witch hunt against him with such flimsy evidence.
CCP might want to consider putting a security camera on that monument though. I can't see this being the last incident.
It's a bit pathetic, but I'm sure it can be fixed without a massive drama. No need to go mental. I though that Goon sticker was hilarious, but I can see some people taking it the wrong way too. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Dave Stark
5249
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:05:00 -
[87] - Quote
Shurgin Ambraelle wrote:Solecist Project's Alt wrote:Is there any proof it was actually him? CCP Falcon posted about this on Page 2 confirming
that wasn't confirmation that it was gevlon, it was just confirmation they were looking in to it. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
476
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:05:00 -
[88] - Quote
Moreover, we paid for this monument which is meant to last for eternity... yet we wasted our money on Aluminum that is easily scratched? This is a troll in itself. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21520
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:05:00 -
[89] - Quote
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:Is there any proof it was actually him? No. But it's entirely possible that twitter will be happy to provide CCP with some information about the account. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:06:00 -
[90] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Note to the poaster of the OP
Please stop spamming my Evemail
I accepted Falcon's post, and was never in favour of criminal damage, no matter what you might think.
As I have stated, you have now been reported for harassment, and out-of-game at that.
Please do not send me any further Evemails, thank you. Reported unrelated post again. Please stop posting off topic or do not post at all.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3908
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:08:00 -
[91] - Quote
Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote: Reported unrelated post again. Please stop posting off topic or do not post at all.
"I accepted Falcon's post, and was never in favour of criminal damage, no matter what you might think."
Yeah, clearly off-topic. "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Louise Beethoven
Hedion University Amarr Empire
116
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:09:00 -
[92] - Quote
Super-immature and by someone who obviously can't separate the game world and real life
What a tit |
yogizh
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
7
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:11:00 -
[93] - Quote
There is a lot of people that I don't like IN GAME, but damn, this is just low. I hope you guys will find person responsible for this. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1911
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:12:00 -
[94] - Quote
And yet again, we have failed ourselves as a community. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Dave Stark
5249
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:12:00 -
[95] - Quote
can we just ban gevlon anyway, just in case? |
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CCP Falcon
6621
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:13:00 -
[96] - Quote
Shurgin Ambraelle wrote:Solecist Project's Alt wrote:Is there any proof it was actually him? CCP Falcon posted about this on Page 2 confirming
Please don't put words in my mouth, I didn't confirm that it was him.
What I can confirm is that the monument has indeed been vandalized, and we're looking into what action we can take, once we confirm who is responsible.
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents |
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Sarah Flynt
Federation Interstellar Resources
21
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:13:00 -
[97] - Quote
Following up on my earlier post, I find it quite disturbing how many people here are ready to jump the gun without the slightest proof, especially if the only available evidence so far is something that can be very easily forged.
Start to think, people! |
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:13:00 -
[98] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote: Reported unrelated post again. Please stop posting off topic or do not post at all.
" I accepted Falcon's post, and was never in favour of criminal damage, no matter what you might think." Yeah, clearly off-topic. Favor |
Marsha Mallow
462
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:14:00 -
[99] - Quote
Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Note to the poaster of the OP
Please stop spamming my Evemail
I accepted Falcon's post, and was never in favour of criminal damage, no matter what you might think.
As I have stated, you have now been reported for harassment, and out-of-game at that.
Please do not send me any further Evemails, thank you. Reported unrelated post again. Please stop posting off topic or do not post at all. That's entirely ontopic, and I'm getting a bit sick of people who evemail in response to forum comments as well. If you can't handle people disagreeing with you, don't post on a public forum. And don't use the report button to wage private wars, for christs sake. The mods have enough to do.
Dave Stark wrote:can we just ban gevlon anyway, just in case? Ban them both. It's the only way to be sure :P TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:14:00 -
[100] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Shurgin Ambraelle wrote:Solecist Project's Alt wrote:Is there any proof it was actually him? CCP Falcon posted about this on Page 2 confirming Please don't put words in my mouth, I didn't confirm that it was him. What I can confirm is that the monument has indeed been vandalized, and we're looking into what action we can take, once we confirm who is responsible. Is it something that can be / will be repaired? |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10583
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:14:00 -
[101] - Quote
I may not like Gevlon but I don't think he lacks respect for other people's property, and if he were to do this I don't see why he'd pick Xenuria over Mynnna or Mittens Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1221
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:15:00 -
[102] - Quote
Sarah Flynt wrote:Following up on my earlier post, I find it quite disturbing how many people here are ready to jump the gun without the slightest proof, especially if the only available evidence so far is something that can be very easily forged.
Start to think, people!
Welcome to GD. |
Dave Stark
5249
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:15:00 -
[103] - Quote
Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote: Reported unrelated post again. Please stop posting off topic or do not post at all.
" I accepted Falcon's post, and was never in favour of criminal damage, no matter what you might think." Yeah, clearly off-topic. Favor favour. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1911
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:17:00 -
[104] - Quote
There is no way Gevlon did this, c'mon people.
This isnt his style, and Xenuria would probably be one of the last people he would go for. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
988
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:19:00 -
[105] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Solecist Project's Alt wrote:Is there any proof it was actually him? No. But it's entirely possible that twitter will be happy to provide CCP with some information about the account. Yeah, hopefully they'll find something out.
This story has too many holes. Things that do not fit together. I doubt it was really him.
Or he has serious mental issues. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! And how do I put text as links into signatures?? |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
988
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:20:00 -
[106] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Sarah Flynt wrote:Following up on my earlier post, I find it quite disturbing how many people here are ready to jump the gun without the slightest proof, especially if the only available evidence so far is something that can be very easily forged.
Start to think, people! Welcome to GD. Nah ... that's people in general nowadays. "Modern" societies are pretty much as degenerated as in the middle ages, if the middle ages actually were that bad.
SHE'S A WITCH! BURN HER ! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! And how do I put text as links into signatures?? |
Dave Stark
5251
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:20:00 -
[107] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Or he has serious mental issues.
highly likely. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110921
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:23:00 -
[108] - Quote
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Where's a almost not removable sticker better than almost permanent scratches?
Removal of the scratches by any means is always going to show past evidence through discoloration, distortion of texture, etc.
Can you not figure this out with your own brain ? "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
988
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:24:00 -
[109] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Or he has serious mental issues. highly likely. If it wasn't him, I doubt "serious" issues.
If it was him, then they must be really bad though ... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! And how do I put text as links into signatures?? |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
476
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:28:00 -
[110] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:
Where's a almost not removable sticker better than almost permanent scratches?
Removal of the scratches by any means is always going to show past evidence through discoloration, distortion of texture, etc. Can you not figure this out with your own brain ?
Have you yet tried to remove weather-prove stickers? The acids and solutions for that are nasty. And if this aluminum is so easily scratched, it wouldn't look well after such a treatment either.
Something else?
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Moreover, we paid for this monument which is meant to last for eternity... yet we wasted our money on Aluminum that is easily scratched? This is a troll in itself. There is no metal in existence that cannot be scratched by something..................
But there are metals in existence and which are not all that expensive that cannot be scratched that easily and profoundly. I would have expected that CCP pays at least enough money to ensure at least this much for a monument.
But then again it also shows how weak the community in fact is. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10584
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:30:00 -
[111] - Quote
Rivr Luzade wrote:Where's a almost not removable sticker better than almost permanent scratches?
A sticker is easily scraped off with a credit card and the residue is easily removed with acetone or lighter fluid
Scratching it with an x-acto knife or whatever is not "almost permanent" just "permanent" Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
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CCP Falcon
6631
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:33:00 -
[112] - Quote
Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Shurgin Ambraelle wrote:Solecist Project's Alt wrote:Is there any proof it was actually him? CCP Falcon posted about this on Page 2 confirming Please don't put words in my mouth, I didn't confirm that it was him. What I can confirm is that the monument has indeed been vandalized, and we're looking into what action we can take, once we confirm who is responsible. Is it something that can be / will be repaired?
Yeah, but we'll have to replace the plate that the name is on, most likely.
We're looking into it at present, more details when I have them
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents |
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:34:00 -
[113] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote: Reported unrelated post again. Please stop posting off topic or do not post at all.
" I accepted Falcon's post, and was never in favour of criminal damage, no matter what you might think." Yeah, clearly off-topic. Favor favour. http://grammarist.com/spelling/favor-favour/ |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9510
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:34:00 -
[114] - Quote
HeXxploiT wrote:I find this thread laughable. I mean seriously I laughed out loud. People that spend all day on internet forums flaming others telling other people they ought to be ashamed of themselves for their behavior.
I am quite LITERALLY ******* laughing right now... Looks like we found one of those players OP was talking about. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
107
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:34:00 -
[115] - Quote
I posted this in another thread about this issue but since this one has more discussion here goes :
Gevlon doesn't have a twitter account. He has historically only ever posted on his Blog, and avoided twitter and tweetfleet altogether. An account was setup TODAY to post this image. There is no evidence that this was done by Gevlon, nor is there likely to be anything that ties him to this crime (even if CCP manage to get IPs or whatever out of Twitter I doubt they will be able to be tied to a specific phone, as the contract details will reside with foreign corporations who will likely not give a **** about some statue getting scratched up in Iceland).
The odds of this being someone trying to get Gevlon into trouble are astronomically higher than the man himself doing the deed. And this from one of the GRR goonies that he so loves to hate. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
799
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:35:00 -
[116] - Quote
It must have been Gevlon Goblin. After all, the tweeter's new account name is the "The_Real_Gevlon". There's no way this was a setup . |
Dave Stark
5251
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:35:00 -
[117] - Quote
Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote: Reported unrelated post again. Please stop posting off topic or do not post at all.
" I accepted Falcon's post, and was never in favour of criminal damage, no matter what you might think." Yeah, clearly off-topic. Favor favour. http://grammarist.com/spelling/favor-favour/
yes, so it's favour. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110921
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:36:00 -
[118] - Quote
Rivr Luzade wrote:But then again it also shows how weak the community in fact is.
Go Troll somewhere else in some other thread. You impress nobody.
"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1418
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:36:00 -
[119] - Quote
Hmm, to be honest, I'm not quite sure what to make of this given the name that was defaced in this instance.
Like most, my reaction is disappointment that something built by CCP has been defaced by what most of us would see as an immature and irresponsible act.
On the other hand, when it's Xenuria's name, that adds a layer of complexity to the situation that doesn't make it as simple as "the guy who did this is an [whatever expletive you like]".
If I had been the victim of one of the worst forms of an abhorrent crime in real life, I'm not sure how I would feel having my name (even a gaming name), on anything, alongside someone who has a reputation in the community for connection with those things (rightly or wrongly).
I don't personally know Xenuria from anyone else and have had no dealings with him one way or the other. However, knowing the reputation attached to that name, I can potentially be sympathetic to the person who did this, depending on the actual reason why.
It's a terrible outcome either way. As a large gaming community, not everyone in it is going to be an upstanding, ethical and honorable person irl. For the most part, we don't have any knowledge of other players outside the game, so have no reason to suspect anything in relation to anyone. Not as simple here though. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
182
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:37:00 -
[120] - Quote
When the fatbee sticker went up it was well known beforehand that it would probably be a matter of hours before it was removed with no indication of it ever having been there. The person who put it up did it all in good fun.
Word is they had to clean the monument before the reveal because some local with a can of spray paint had tagged it. That's just the reality of it being located in Reykjavic, graffiti capital of the world.
This is just despicable. |
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The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
114
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:37:00 -
[121] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:
yes, so it's favour.
Both are acceptable according to the Oxford English Dictionary. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1190
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:38:00 -
[122] - Quote
Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote: As usual, most of the world has it and could not be arsed correcting the US.
Quote:Favour is preferred in all other main varieties of English. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á sig by Doc Fury -¬ 2014 Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9511
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:38:00 -
[123] - Quote
It's rather unlikely they'll find out who did it, and even if they do they're probably beyond the reach of Icelandic law. Nobody's going to extradite for minor vandalism. The best it seems that can be done is to repair the monument and reiterate that such behavior is unacceptable. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
570
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:39:00 -
[124] - Quote
Welcome to the EVE "community"
Nah, never saw it coming
CCP has encouraged hijinks at Fanfest for years. College "pranks" never turn out bad, right?
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9511
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:40:00 -
[125] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote: As usual, most of the world has it and could not be arsed correcting the US. Quote:Favour is preferred in all other main varieties of English. Nobody here is particularly inclined to hear your pedantry. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
988
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:40:00 -
[126] - Quote
btw ... I wonder who the OP really is. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! And how do I put text as links into signatures?? |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
1223
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:40:00 -
[127] - Quote
The Slayer wrote:I posted this in another thread about this issue but since this one has more discussion here goes :
Gevlon doesn't have a twitter account. He has historically only ever posted on his Blog, and avoided twitter and tweetfleet altogether. An account was setup TODAY to post this image. There is no evidence that this was done by Gevlon, nor is there likely to be anything that ties him to this crime (even if CCP manage to get IPs or whatever out of Twitter I doubt they will be able to be tied to a specific phone, as the contract details will reside with foreign corporations who will likely not give a **** about some statue getting scratched up in Iceland).
The odds of this being someone trying to get Gevlon into trouble are astronomically higher than the man himself doing the deed. And this from one of the GRR goonies that he so loves to hate.
Between Iceland and the European Union there is an agreement on legal and administrative cooperation. So if the IP or whatever can be identified from that account belongs to a European then I am positive that vandalism is a crime in all european countries as well. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
114
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:41:00 -
[128] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:If I had been the victim of a paedophile or other similar, abhorrent crime in real life, I'm not sure how I would feel having my name (even a gaming name), on anything, alongside someone who has a reputation in the community for connection with those things (rightly or wrongly).
No see I can't get behind this sort of attitude at all. For one, if the guy was/is a pedophile its not for you and I to punish him for it. Had he actually committed any crimes he would have been arrested and tried for those crimes and been given an actual criminal punishment for them. As is all you have right now are some silly rumors floating around on the internet.
Now don't get me wrong, the guy is a TOTAL sleazeball and I want nothing at all to do with him. But **** this attitude of "oh hey someone on the internet said hes a pedo that must be true".
Also "rightly or wrongly"? So even being accused of a crime now means you are tarred with that brush forever in your eyes? Nice to know. |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
183
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:41:00 -
[129] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:We're well aware of this, and are dealing with the situation as we speak. Frankly, on a personal note, I find this absolutely disgusting and completely detrimental to the EVE Community's close knit spirit. We'll have more information tomorrow afternoon/evening regarding this. Really sorry that this has happened guys It is sad that some members of the eve community would sink as low as to vandalise this monument because of some petty reason.
I would support a ban and also possibly criminal charges if that is possible as vandalism is a lowly and pathetic act which deserves punishment. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9516
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:43:00 -
[130] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:Hmm, to be honest, I'm not quite sure what to make of this given the name that was defaced in this instance.
Like most, my reaction is disappointment that something built by CCP has been defaced by what most of us would see as an immature and irresponsible act.
On the other hand, when it's Xenuria's name, I think thst adds a layer of complexity to the situation that doesn't make it as simple as "the guy who did this is an [whatever expletive you like]".
If I had been the victim of a paedophile or other similar, abhorrent crime in real life, I'm not sure how I would feel having my name (even a gaming name), on anything, alongside someone who has a reputation in the community for connection with those things (rightly or wrongly).
I don't personally know Xenuria from anyone else and have had no dealings with him one way or the other. However, knowing the reputation attached to that name, I can potentially be sympathetic to the person who did this, depending on the actual reason why.
It's a terrible outcome either way. As a large gaming community, not everyone in it is going to be an upstanding, ethical and honorable person irl. For the most part, we don't have any knowledge of other players outside the game, so have no reason to suspect anything in relation to anyone. Not as simple here though. I don't recall anything about him ever hurting anyone, merely that he espoused certain opinions that were rather distasteful. But my recollection is vague. In any case, there's still no excuse. Even if the anger was justified, the act was not. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
120
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:44:00 -
[131] - Quote
Eugene Kerner wrote:Between Iceland and the European Union there is an agreement on legal and administrative cooperation. So if the IP or whatever can be identified from that account belongs to a European then I am positive that vandalism is a crime in all european countries as well.
It is indeed a crime, but not one that I believe the courts place an awful lot of weight upon. Good luck extracting information from a Hungarian Telecoms company about one of its citizens without a court order. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1192
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:45:00 -
[132] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:btw ... I wonder who the OP really is. Actually, come to think of it, has anyone else heard salvos since Divine got ball gagged hmmmm? o.0
Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á sig by Doc Fury -¬ 2014 Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
476
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:45:00 -
[133] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:But then again it also shows how weak the community in fact is. Go Troll somewhere else in some other thread. You impress nobody. ed: Apparently the sticker came off no problem, yet the scratch will cost an entire replacement section. Geez, you are so right about that sticker being just as bad
Just look at this thread and the awesome reactions. Some are as low as this scratching.
Oh, nice, so they didn't use proper stickers. Good for them and the monument, because at least some people thought about their vandalism first and made it less terrible.
I stand by my point that this monument is a waste of money in its current form and material composition. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
1223
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:45:00 -
[134] - Quote
The Slayer wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Between Iceland and the European Union there is an agreement on legal and administrative cooperation. So if the IP or whatever can be identified from that account belongs to a European then I am positive that vandalism is a crime in all european countries as well. It is indeed a crime, but not one that I believe the courts place an awful lot of weight upon. Good luck extracting information from a Hungarian Telecoms company about one of its citizens without a court order.
Well , you had to mention Hungary...I can not argue against that.... TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9516
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:46:00 -
[135] - Quote
The Slayer wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Between Iceland and the European Union there is an agreement on legal and administrative cooperation. So if the IP or whatever can be identified from that account belongs to a European then I am positive that vandalism is a crime in all european countries as well. It is indeed a crime, but not one that I believe the courts place an awful lot of weight upon. Good luck extracting information from a Hungarian Telecoms company about one of its citizens without a court order. I'm sure Hungary would gladly extradite one of their own on suspicion of a single incident of vandalism. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
302
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:46:00 -
[136] - Quote
CCP knows who did I mean how many people have searched for his name before the incident using the app duh? Him and who else? It's getting announced tomorrow coupled with other evidence.
Your blog was **** and now its over, good riddance. |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
120
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:46:00 -
[137] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:btw ... I wonder who the OP really is.
Fortunately thats something that CCP can know with 100% certainty. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110922
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:46:00 -
[138] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:
I don't personally know Xenuria from anyone else and have had no dealings with him one way or the other. However, knowing the reputation attached to that name, I can potentially be sympathetic to the person who did this, depending on the actual reason why.
Reputation usually does not equal the truth, or even close.
Go watch some Woody Allen films sometime. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9516
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:47:00 -
[139] - Quote
Rivr Luzade wrote:I stand by my point that this monument is a waste of money in its current form and material composition. So what? What does that have to do with any of this? The monument isn't yours. Ergo, you don't have the right to deface it. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1418
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:47:00 -
[140] - Quote
The Slayer wrote:No see I can't get behind this sort of attitude at all. For one, if the guy was/is a pedophile its not for you and I to punish him for it. Had he actually committed any crimes he would have been arrested and tried for those crimes and been given an actual criminal punishment for them. As is all you have right now are some silly rumors floating around on the internet.
Now don't get me wrong, the guy is a TOTAL sleazeball and I want nothing at all to do with him. But **** this attitude of "oh hey someone on the internet said hes a pedo that must be true".
Also "rightly or wrongly"? So even being accused of a crime now means you are tarred with that brush forever in your eyes? Nice to know. Thats not what I wrote, nor the intention of what I wrote.
There is a lot of jumping to conclusions in this thread thst the person responsible for the act is an ********, jerk, whatever.
Im just of the view, that here, it isnt as simple and there may be understandable reasons why someone would deface that name. It's not acceptable and isn't an acceptable outcome, but mitigating factors may exist that means we should all hold off on making judgements about the person, even though we can all condemn the act of defacing CCPs property. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
183
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:48:00 -
[141] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Shurgin Ambraelle wrote:Solecist Project's Alt wrote:Is there any proof it was actually him? CCP Falcon posted about this on Page 2 confirming Please don't put words in my mouth, I didn't confirm that it was him. What I can confirm is that the monument has indeed been vandalized, and we're looking into what action we can take, once we confirm who is responsible. Is it something that can be / will be repaired? Yeah, but we'll have to replace the plate that the name is on, most likely. We're looking into it at present, more details when I have them Ah ok well that is good to hear it can be replaced. Although money spent on replacing this monument is taken from the our subs and the development of eve, so not impressed at all at the low life who has done this. Especially despicable considering they were a guest in someone else's country. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1912
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:49:00 -
[142] - Quote
Rivr Luzade wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:But then again it also shows how weak the community in fact is. Go Troll somewhere else in some other thread. You impress nobody. ed: Apparently the sticker came off no problem, yet the scratch will cost an entire replacement section. Geez, you are so right about that sticker being just as bad Just look at this thread, the level of hate towards that person is awesome and so many people cannot Just look at this thread and the awesome reactions. Some are as low as this scratching. Oh, nice, so they didn't use proper stickers. Good for them and the monument, because at least some people thought about their vandalism first and made it less terrible. I stand by my point that this monument is a waste of money in its current form and material composition.
Well arent you the suave cool rebel. Going against the popular opinion of the masses.
Here we are, a bunch of sheep jumping on the "this is awefull" bandwagon. But you, you are keeping it real man. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110922
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:50:00 -
[143] - Quote
Rivr Luzade wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:But then again it also shows how weak the community in fact is. Go Troll somewhere else in some other thread. You impress nobody. ed: Apparently the sticker came off no problem, yet the scratch will cost an entire replacement section. Geez, you are so right about that sticker being just as bad Just look at this thread, the level of hate towards that person is awesome and so many people cannot Just look at this thread and the awesome reactions. Some are as low as this scratching. Oh, nice, so they didn't use proper stickers. Good for them and the monument, because at least some people thought about their vandalism first and made it less terrible. I stand by my point that this monument is a waste of money in its current form and material composition.
No candy for you. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1382
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:50:00 -
[144] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote: As usual, most of the world has it and could not be arsed correcting the US. Quote:Favour is preferred in all other main varieties of English. favor is the correct Latin spelling - Spanish, Portuguese, American English and Italian (favore) all retain this.
Of course the Barbarians on their island have never learned proper Latin. But then they also worshiped Claudius... . |
Darkblad
Hilfe is like Free Entertainment
209
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:52:00 -
[145] - Quote
Sometimes, some part of the community makes me feel bad. Unfortunately this here made today one of those days where it happens twice in a row. EVE Infolinks -+-áOld and new-áPortraits |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
120
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:52:00 -
[146] - Quote
I have to say the level of "hanging someone out to dry without any evidence" displayed in this thread is ASTOUNDING. I know Gevlon is a douche but he does seem to enjoy playing EVE, I doubt even he is delusional enough to do something like this and then broadcast to the world that it was him that did it. Wait till Falcon gets back to us tomorrow to let us know what happened and then feel free to crucify whoever ACTUALLY did this. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
990
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:53:00 -
[147] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Solecist Project wrote:btw ... I wonder who the OP really is. Actually, come to think of it, has anyone else heard salvos since Divine got ball gagged hmmmm? o.0 I petitioned Salvos and mentioned DE.
I also reported Salvos a lot with analyzing his posts and personality. Logically, deductible posts that made actual sense. :)
I think two days later both were gone...
Reasonable to assume it was the same person, or they just banned both of them.
Who cares ... they are gone. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! And how do I put text as links into signatures?? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9516
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:54:00 -
[148] - Quote
The Slayer wrote:I have to say the level of "hanging someone out to dry without any evidence" displayed in this thread is ASTOUNDING. I know Gevlon is a douche but he does seem to enjoy playing EVE, I doubt even he is delusional enough to do something like this and then broadcast to the world that it was him that did it. Wait till Falcon gets back to us tomorrow to let us know what happened and then feel free to crucify whoever ACTUALLY did this. In true EVE fashion it's probably the OP trying to frame him. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1192
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:54:00 -
[149] - Quote
Vera Algaert wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote: As usual, most of the world has it and could not be arsed correcting the US. Quote:Favour is preferred in all other main varieties of English. favor is the correct Latin spelling - Spanish, Portuguese, American English and Italian (favore) all retain this. Of course the Barbarians on their island have never learned proper Latin. But then they also worshiped Claudius... Well that would have something to do with us preserving the practice of literacy so I believe we did whatever the hell we wanted with it.
Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á sig by Doc Fury -¬ 2014 Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
990
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:54:00 -
[150] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:The Slayer wrote:I have to say the level of "hanging someone out to dry without any evidence" displayed in this thread is ASTOUNDING. I know Gevlon is a douche but he does seem to enjoy playing EVE, I doubt even he is delusional enough to do something like this and then broadcast to the world that it was him that did it. Wait till Falcon gets back to us tomorrow to let us know what happened and then feel free to crucify whoever ACTUALLY did this. In true EVE fashion it's probably the OP trying to frame him. My guess too. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! And how do I put text as links into signatures?? |
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Steijn
Quay Industries
476
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:55:00 -
[151] - Quote
Stupid question which the answer for doesnt really prove anything, but was Gevlon actually at FanFest? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9517
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:56:00 -
[152] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote: As usual, most of the world has it and could not be arsed correcting the US. Quote:Favour is preferred in all other main varieties of English. favor is the correct Latin spelling - Spanish, Portuguese, American English and Italian (favore) all retain this. Of course the Barbarians on their island have never learned proper Latin. But then they also worshiped Claudius... Well that would have something to do with us preserving the practice of literacy so I believe we did whatever the hell we wanted with it. The only practice you're preserving is pedantry. Shut up already. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet Pasta Syndicate
824
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:58:00 -
[153] - Quote
Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:We all know lots of players in EVE are jerks in game. Over the past five years I would find my self asking how much of it do they carry outside the game? https://twitter.com/The_Real_Gevlon/status/463002069989736448I think this pretty much sums it up. vandalizing the monument is way overboard. These are "adults" doing this really pretty sad. I think if it is found out who the player(s) are they are vandalizing the monument the related EVE accounts should be perma ban. And as well as punished based on the countries laws of vandalism. Poor taste.
I want to just say that while many people may not like me or agree with my goals or agendas, I am a member of the EvE Community. EvE Online is a game and people who cannot understand that are the reason it is not safe for me to attend events anymore. When a person leaves the game but takes with them behaviors that aren't acceptable outside the game, this is a problem.
Example: I am an enemy of the CFC but when I encountered players who are members I treated them with respect and civility. I even made some friends in the process. CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1418
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:58:00 -
[154] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:In any case, there's still no excuse. Even if the anger was justified, the act was not. Then we're of the same opinion.
There's a lot of judgements being made here about the person who did this. Hate the act, but lets not jump to conclusions about the person unless we eventually find out who and exactly why. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1702
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:59:00 -
[155] - Quote
Regarding all those saying stupid sh!t like "monument was waste of my money" I would like to point out that the moment your money leave your account it stops being your money and becomes CCP's money and they can do whatever they like with it including building monuments left and right. If shopkeeper you buy groceries from buys a boat do you say "what a waste of my money"? Would you like your boss to say that to you when you buy another bucket of chicken wings?
A little less of frakking entitlement you frakking spoiled brats! I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
450
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:00:00 -
[156] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:There is no metal in existence that cannot be scratched by something.................. CCP should have used Dalekanium... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9517
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:01:00 -
[157] - Quote
Schmata Bastanold wrote:Regarding all those saying stupid sh!t like "monument was waste of my money" I would like to point out that the moment your money leave your account it stops being your money and becomes CCP's money and they can do whatever they like with it including building monuments left and right. If shopkeeper you buy groceries from buys a boat do you say "what a waste of my money"? Would you like your boss to say that to you when you buy another bucket of chicken wings?
A little less of frakking entitlement you frakking spoiled brats! This also applies to things like development work on other games besides EVE. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1195
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:01:00 -
[158] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote: The only practice you're preserving is pedantry. Shut up already.
Currently yes, but it's getting way too far up your nose to just drop now Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á sig by Doc Fury -¬ 2014 Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Arronicus
Ravens' Nest Outlaw Horizon.
937
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:02:00 -
[159] - Quote
Investigation procedure:
CCP petitions Twitter for help tracking down the nature of the offender who defaced vandalized private property in Iceland, and is showing it off.
If: Twitter provides any information excluding an IP address, it's likely all faked, and won't be traceable to whoever the account owner is. The investigation falls to potential security camera footage, or asking for tips/eye witnesses, and dies there, with some sort of railing probably being put up around the moment.
If: Twitter provides an IP address for the offender, CCP can try to match that up with an account, and potentially take further action.
Either way, I doubt we will ever know the true identity of the offender, if they are caught. I simply hope that they receive a very long ban, on all their accounts. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9517
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:05:00 -
[160] - Quote
You do realize that IP addresses don't uniquely identify people, right? "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Marsha Mallow
466
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:05:00 -
[161] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:As usual, most of the world has it and could not be arsed correcting the US. Quote:Favour is preferred in all other main varieties of English. favor is the correct Latin spelling - Spanish, Portuguese, American English and Italian (favore) all retain this. Of course the Barbarians on their island have never learned proper Latin. But then they also worshiped Claudius... Well that would have something to do with us preserving the practice of literacy so I believe we did whatever the hell we wanted with it. The only practice you're preserving is pedantry. Shut up already. Arguing over spelling and grammar is a perfectly acceptable hobby.
I know what you are saying Scipio, but when people are charging up and down screaming "This is an outrage!" there's really no point attempting to reason with them.
*sneaks back to Dust forum to observe carnage TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
184
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:07:00 -
[162] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:You do realize that IP addresses don't uniquely identify people, right? Yes, but it is still pretty incriminating evidence. |
yogizh
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
9
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:11:00 -
[163] - Quote
I am pretty sure that in most EU countries is giving IP information away to private companies a felony. No real court would permit this, maybe if the monument was from WW2 or something.
People lost respect to work, art and knowledge. It is just a mirror of current degenerate society with messed up values. A 1v1 fist fight would be more honorable, or acceptable than damaging work of artist that has absolutely nothing to do with it. Maybe I'm just getting old.
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mkint
1183
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:18:00 -
[164] - Quote
Schmata Bastanold wrote:Regarding all those saying stupid sh!t like "monument was waste of my money" I would like to point out that the moment your money leave your account it stops being your money and becomes CCP's money and they can do whatever they like with it including building monuments left and right. If shopkeeper you buy groceries from buys a boat do you say "what a waste of my money"? Would you like your boss to say that to you when you buy another bucket of chicken wings?
A little less of frakking entitlement you frakking spoiled brats! Just because Hellmar is fully justified in building a massive statue to himself and then pretends it's not about him at all, doesn't mean it's not a waste. The statue itself is the kind of thing a 3rd world dictator would do. People are also fully justified in watching michael bay and uwe boll movies, wearing popped collars and training as pick up artists. That doesn't make it any less dumb, or deserving of derision.
Somehow I suspect that the only reason vandalism and stuff like this doesn't happen more frequently is because of the risk of getting caught. And I make that statement based on how people behave in-game where the risk of retribution is next to zero. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3313
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:25:00 -
[165] - Quote
mkint wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Regarding all those saying stupid sh!t like "monument was waste of my money" I would like to point out that the moment your money leave your account it stops being your money and becomes CCP's money and they can do whatever they like with it including building monuments left and right. If shopkeeper you buy groceries from buys a boat do you say "what a waste of my money"? Would you like your boss to say that to you when you buy another bucket of chicken wings?
A little less of frakking entitlement you frakking spoiled brats! Just because Hellmar is fully justified in building a massive statue to himself and then pretends it's not about him at all, doesn't mean it's not a waste. The statue itself is the kind of thing a 3rd world dictator would do. People are also fully justified in watching michael bay and uwe boll movies, wearing popped collars and training as pick up artists. That doesn't make it any less dumb, or deserving of derision. Somehow I suspect that the only reason vandalism and stuff like this doesn't happen more frequently is because of the risk of getting caught. And I make that statement based on how people behave in-game where the risk of retribution is next to zero. So to confirm, you don't like it, therefore it is a waste, fact, regardless of how many eve players believe it's an amazing tribute to the game. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4863
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:28:00 -
[166] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Moreover, we paid for this monument which is meant to last for eternity... yet we wasted our money on Aluminum that is easily scratched? This is a troll in itself. There is no metal in existence that cannot be scratched by something..................
Allow me to Cliff Clavin this and say that Tungsten is very very hard to scratch with anything other than power tools, and even then you have to do it on purpose.
I worked for a year as a marine mechanic and restored a car while wearing a wedding band made from tungsten. I did a lot of metal work with it on and you have to look close to see micro-scratches but there are no gouges or nicks. A friend of mine worked as a paramedic with a platinum wedding band and in months it was all but destroyed.
(He's still married, I should send him my old tungsten band...)
Of course, if the monument were made of tungsten, not even 1600mm cold rolled tungsten, where the names are, that would have been VERY expensive.
You know all it takes is one person. Even I would not have foreseen this. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
659
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:41:00 -
[167] - Quote
mkint wrote: Just because Hellmar is fully justified in building a massive statue to himself and then pretends it's not about him at all, doesn't mean it's not a waste. The statue itself is the kind of thing a 3rd world dictator would do. People are also fully justified in watching michael bay and uwe boll movies, wearing popped collars and training as pick up artists. That doesn't make it any less dumb, or deserving of derision.
You've obviously never been to Fanfest, otherwise you would realize that EVE Online and CCP as a company are some damn special **** in Reykjavik. The monument isn't a 'lol we're so amazing lololol'. It's a tribute to the amazing impact EVE Online has on Iceland as a country and Reykjavik as a city. EVE Online is one of the biggest export products in Iceland. EVE Fanfest is one of the, if not THE biggest tourist event of the year in Reykjavik.
The monument represents the impact of our digital universe on the real lifes of people living in Reykjavik. And that's pretty damn special if you ask me. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
BLACK-STAR
623
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:42:00 -
[168] - Quote
Medalyn Isis wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:You do realize that IP addresses don't uniquely identify people, right? Yes, but it is still pretty incriminating evidence. True.... could have uploaded the source image in a hotel. However, escalate this as a Criminal Offense (which it is), the police are going to investigate. If the guy that vandalized this won't admit himself, and CCP hands this through authority measures, if ever caught, hefty price and consequences. A game ban is seriously nothing to worry about if you did something like this.
Good luck whomever vandalized it. He probably read this thread and is laughing over this.
The only thing I find amusing overall is that guy who traveled there, stood in front of the monument and contemplated doing what he did reading all those names to find that specific one and defaced it. What a loser. You deserve a kick in the ass. - If violence does not solve your problem, you may not have used enough of it. |
Varg Altol
Kill-Switch Engage
12
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:49:00 -
[169] - Quote
well done, thats pretty god damn stupid.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1201
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:50:00 -
[170] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:mkint wrote: Just because Hellmar is fully justified in building a massive statue to himself and then pretends it's not about him at all, doesn't mean it's not a waste. The statue itself is the kind of thing a 3rd world dictator would do. People are also fully justified in watching michael bay and uwe boll movies, wearing popped collars and training as pick up artists. That doesn't make it any less dumb, or deserving of derision.
You've obviously never been to Fanfest, otherwise you would realize that EVE Online and CCP as a company are some damn special **** in Reykjavik. The monument isn't a 'lol we're so amazing lololol'. It's a tribute to the amazing impact EVE Online has on Iceland as a country and Reykjavik as a city. EVE Online is one of the biggest export products in Iceland. EVE Fanfest is one of the, if not THE biggest tourist event of the year in Reykjavik. The monument represents the impact of our digital universe on the real lifes of people living in Reykjavik. And that's pretty damn special if you ask me. Confirmed, even their expatriates have an appreciation for ccp. I have studied and worked with people who have been in the head office for school tours, have the danger game at home. Ye can be as cynical and jaded about the motive behind it as ye like but that monument is bigger than just us. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á sig by Doc Fury -¬ 2014 Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
889
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:56:00 -
[171] - Quote
I was afraid something like this would happen. I just hope that this affront to the EVE community doesn't go unpunished.
Shame. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1704
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:57:00 -
[172] - Quote
mkint wrote:Just because Hellmar is fully justified in building a massive statue to himself and then pretends it's not about him at all, doesn't mean it's not a waste.
I don't dispute "waste" part but "my money" part. Whatever I think about that monument is irrelevant because I didn't pay for it. I pay for Eve subscription, what happens next with money I pay is none of my concern.
We are paying for an access to a game and that is all we can be entitled to. If you think you don't get your money worth you are free to go elsewhere because you know what? Contrary to popular misconception around here we don't own Eve, CCP does. And we can't tell CCP what to do especially if that involves product/services/events they decide to engage into.
Welcome to the real world. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Sul Glass
Iron Crown JINN.
32
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:02:00 -
[173] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Moreover, we paid for this monument which is meant to last for eternity... yet we wasted our money on Aluminum that is easily scratched? This is a troll in itself. There is no metal in existence that cannot be scratched by something..................
Tuvan's Modified Armor Kinetic Hardener FTW.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5731
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:02:00 -
[174] - Quote
At the risk of getting flamed yet further, I submit that the monument is less of a waste of time and resources than putting DUST 514 on PS3.
At least the monument is about EVE. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5309
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:07:00 -
[175] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:We're well aware of this, and are dealing with the situation as we speak. Frankly, on a personal note, I find this absolutely disgusting and completely detrimental to the EVE Community's close knit spirit. We'll have more information tomorrow afternoon/evening regarding this. Really sorry that this has happened guys
When justice is finally dealt...
Can I have their stuff?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
1606
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:08:00 -
[176] - Quote
what a tit.... |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
429
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:12:00 -
[177] - Quote
So, he's shooting at the Jita statue in real life?
And didn't even blow it to scrap. That's sad. |
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
370
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:15:00 -
[178] - Quote
Ha! What a fine Community we have! Right? ... Meet the Mario Kart 8 - Capsuleer Club Cup |
digi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
204
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:19:00 -
[179] - Quote
Can someone confirm timestamps between the Tweet and the start of this thread? It looks like 7 minutes to me but I could be wrong. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
13140
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:20:00 -
[180] - Quote
Hopefully this encourages CCP to come up with some kind of protective covering that's cheaper to replace if damaged than the plates are, much like you see applied over public art.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
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Faenir Antollare
University of Caille Gallente Federation
269
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:21:00 -
[181] - Quote
That's a despicable and cowardly act, somebody has good cause to feel very ashamed of themselves. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9521
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:23:00 -
[182] - Quote
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Hopefully this encourages CCP to come up with some kind of protective covering that's cheaper to replace if damaged than the plates are, much like you see applied over public art.
Get the perp to buy it. That seems like a fitting punishment. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2327
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:23:00 -
[183] - Quote
Reiisha wrote:In before "Xenuria himself did this".
Or, herself as the case may be...
Hell, I can laugh at the goons etc and enjoy a bit of banter with them on the forum, but taking any video game into real life?
Dear me. This is not a signature. |
Higgs Foton
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
90
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:23:00 -
[184] - Quote
Medalyn Isis wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:You do realize that IP addresses don't uniquely identify people, right? Yes, but it is still pretty incriminating evidence.
No its not.
Seeing that pic is taken in Reykjavik and posted on a new twitter account, i am pretty sure it was posted through a free wifi service from Iceland itself. The culprit is most probably a fanfest attendee. *Snip* Removed trolling part of the post. ISD Ezwal. *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
476
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:24:00 -
[185] - Quote
Lephia DeGrande wrote:Ha! What a fine Community we have! Right? ...
One that scratches names, (allegedly) feigns twitter accounts to blame it on others, lots of hate and distrust, puts out quick verdicts ... yes, that sounds very much exactly like what CCP wants EVE to be. so, why is everyone complaining? |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1705
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:26:00 -
[186] - Quote
Rivr Luzade wrote:Lephia DeGrande wrote:Ha! What a fine Community we have! Right? ... One that scratches names, (allegedly) feigns twitter accounts to blame it on others, lots of hate and distrust, puts out quick verdicts ... yes, that sounds very much exactly like what CCP wants EVE to be. so, why is everyone complaining?
Excepts that not Eve, that's a RL property. Do you see a difference between smashing hookers with baseball bat in GTA and in RL? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9521
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:26:00 -
[187] - Quote
Rivr Luzade wrote:Lephia DeGrande wrote:Ha! What a fine Community we have! Right? ... One that scratches names, (allegedly) feigns twitter accounts to blame it on others, lots of hate and distrust, puts out quick verdicts ... yes, that sounds very much exactly like what CCP wants EVE to be. so, why is everyone complaining? Because this isn't EVE. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Konrad Kane
101
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:27:00 -
[188] - Quote
Penguinizer Illat wrote:Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:Tiberius StarGazer wrote:I hope CCP take all of Gevlons ISK in plex value for the repair, that's bloody discusting. If it is proven that it was him/her I agree. Gevlon tweeted it, which doesn't help his case.
IIRC Gevlon the blogger doesn't have twitter, he can't moderate the comments on it. This was some other halfwit. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5735
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:30:00 -
[189] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Lephia DeGrande wrote:Ha! What a fine Community we have! Right? ... One that scratches names, (allegedly) feigns twitter accounts to blame it on others, lots of hate and distrust, puts out quick verdicts ... yes, that sounds very much exactly like what CCP wants EVE to be. so, why is everyone complaining? Because this isn't EVE.
Don't bother, James.
Carebears can't separate the game from real life. To them, every lost pixel is a dagger in their poor hearts. Everything you need to know about Rivr Luzade you can learn from his post at the bottom of the second page of this thread. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
13142
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:34:00 -
[190] - Quote
All we can hope for is that this time someone does some actual legwork in investigating before we burn the witch.
Lets not have a repeat of the New Salem ***** Trials, that's all I ask. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
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Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1221
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:37:00 -
[191] - Quote
digi wrote:Can someone confirm timestamps between the Tweet and the start of this thread? It looks like 7 minutes to me but I could be wrong.
1h 7m. EVEO is using GMT. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5735
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:39:00 -
[192] - Quote
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:All we can hope for is that this time someone does some actual legwork in investigating before we burn the witch.
Lets not have a repeat of the New Salem ***** Trials, that's all I ask.
It should be fairly easy, if not quick.
That pic was, in all likelihood, taken with a cell phone. Twitter traces IPs and keeps records like any TC company, they are required to comply with law enforcement. IP route traced to phone, phone is registered to a real person, boom.
Only sticking point is that I am not aware whether or not they sell burn phones in Iceland like they do in the U.S. But I highly doubt the individual is that savvy. [edit: And even if they are, in order to avoid paying for said burn phone with a credit card, they would have had to make a monetary exchange. Which are also tracked. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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digi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
204
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:42:00 -
[193] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:digi wrote:Can someone confirm timestamps between the Tweet and the start of this thread? It looks like 7 minutes to me but I could be wrong. 1h 7m. EVEO is using GMT.
Thanks. I thought I was off.
I have a bunch of theories on how to catch the guy but I have no real access so I'm going to sit here and shake my head.
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
476
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:43:00 -
[194] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote: Because this isn't EVE.
Then what is it? And if it is not EVE related (which it clearly is, because it stands for the EVE Universe), why is everyone so particularly mad about this particular monument?
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Lephia DeGrande wrote:Ha! What a fine Community we have! Right? ... One that scratches names, (allegedly) feigns twitter accounts to blame it on others, lots of hate and distrust, puts out quick verdicts ... yes, that sounds very much exactly like what CCP wants EVE to be. so, why is everyone complaining? Because this isn't EVE. Don't bother, James. Carebears can't separate the game from real life. To them, every lost pixel is a dagger in their poor hearts. Everything you need to know about Rivr Luzade you can learn from his post at the bottom of the second page of this thread.
Well, with that problem I would not stand alone if people seem to go to such great lengths to accuse (allegedly) innocent bystanders of vandalism. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5737
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:46:00 -
[195] - Quote
Rivr Luzade wrote:Well, with that problem I don't stand alone if people go to such great lengths to accuse (allegedly) innocent bystanders of vandalism.
I really don't think anyone gives two ****s if it was Goblin or not. Whomever it is, is an affront to the community, nevermind having actually committed a crime.
You, on the other hand, seem to think it's fine. Because, what was it you said? Oh yeah:
Rivr Luzade wrote:EVE is real. Deal with it, CCP and "disappointed" players. What you do ingame can and will have RL consequences.
Aren't you just an outstanding individual. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5313
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:46:00 -
[196] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:All we can hope for is that this time someone does some actual legwork in investigating before we burn the witch.
Lets not have a repeat of the New Salem ***** Trials, that's all I ask. It should be fairly easy, if not quick. That pic was, in all likelihood, taken with a cell phone. Twitter traces IPs and keeps records like any TC company, they are required to comply with law enforcement. IP route traced to phone, phone is registered to a real person, boom. Only sticking point is that I am not aware whether or not they sell burn phones in Iceland like they do in the U.S. But I highly doubt the individual is that savvy. [edit: And even if they are, in order to avoid paying for said burn phone with a credit card, they would have had to make a monetary exchange. Which are also tracked.
Or, they could just have the authorities extract the hidden EXIF metadata from the image. If it was taken with a modern phone or a digital camera there should be some very usable stuff in there.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
478
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:All we can hope for is that this time someone does some actual legwork in investigating before we burn the witch.
Lets not have a repeat of the New Salem ***** Trials, that's all I ask. It should be fairly easy, if not quick. That pic was, in all likelihood, taken with a cell phone. Twitter traces IPs and keeps records like any TC company, they are required to comply with law enforcement .
Uh... no they aren't. They can quite freely say, "**** you, come back with a warrant." Good luck getting a judge in the US to issue such warrant for a case of vandalism in Iceland. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1919
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digi wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:digi wrote:Can someone confirm timestamps between the Tweet and the start of this thread? It looks like 7 minutes to me but I could be wrong. 1h 7m. EVEO is using GMT. Thanks. I thought I was off. I have a bunch of theories on how to catch the guy but I have no real access so I'm going to sit here and shake my head.
Hopefully CCP will contact you for your expertise. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
328
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:48:00 -
[199] - Quote
ridiculous. defacing an actual physical monument, while a guest in the host country, is wrong.
perp needs banning at the least, if not criminal charges. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1705
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:49:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:And if it is not EVE related (which it clearly is, because it stands for the EVE Universe), why is everyone so particularly mad about this particular monument?
It is not made of pixels within Eve GAME, it is real object created by real people funded by real money and placed in real world. That makes it real crime not pixel space shenanigans.
There is a difference between exploding your space ship called hulk and made of pixels and exploding your real car with a bumper sticker saying "hulk".
I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10588
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:50:00 -
[201] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Or, they could just have the authorities extract the hidden EXIF metadata from the image. If it was taken with a modern phone or a digital camera there should be some very usable stuff in there. The image doesn't have any EXIF data Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5313
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[202] - Quote
Andski wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Or, they could just have the authorities extract the hidden EXIF metadata from the image. If it was taken with a modern phone or a digital camera there should be some very usable stuff in there. The image doesn't have any EXIF data
So the perp was not entirely clueless or maybe just lucky. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
429
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:56:00 -
[203] - Quote
Money Makin Mitch wrote:ridiculous. defacing an actual physical monument, while a guest in the host country, is wrong.
perp needs banning at the least, if not criminal charges.
If we pressed charges against everyone who committed crimes at Fanfest, theMittani would be doing about five more years. |
Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
144
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Adding my voice to those who are disgusted with this. There's no love between me and Xenuria, I think he's a complete idiot. But this isn't the way to make a statement.
To whoever's guilty, whoever you are? You're a complete jerk. Grow up. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5737
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[205] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Andski wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Or, they could just have the authorities extract the hidden EXIF metadata from the image. If it was taken with a modern phone or a digital camera there should be some very usable stuff in there. The image doesn't have any EXIF data So the perp was not entirely clueless or maybe just lucky.
You would be surprised just how often "just lucky" works, oddly enough. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Obunagawe
355
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Reiisha wrote:In before "Xenuria himself did this". Or, herself as the case may be...
Itself.
It looks like the real victim here is Gevlon. |
Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1221
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:02:00 -
[207] - Quote
Whoever did it likely searched for Xenuria's name with the name finder tool. Is it possible to find out IPs who sent requests for that name earlier today around the tweet time? |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5313
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:04:00 -
[208] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Andski wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Or, they could just have the authorities extract the hidden EXIF metadata from the image. If it was taken with a modern phone or a digital camera there should be some very usable stuff in there. The image doesn't have any EXIF data So the perp was not entirely clueless or maybe just lucky. You would be surprised just how often "just lucky" works, oddly enough.
Sadly, I know too well how often that happens.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
145
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:05:00 -
[209] - Quote
Obunagawe wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Reiisha wrote:In before "Xenuria himself did this". Or, herself as the case may be... Itself. It looks like the real victim here is Gevlon.
Again, I dislike Gevlon more than I should dislike a nerd playing a video game. But this is taking things too far, and using someone as a scapegoat is pathetic. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
2278
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:09:00 -
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When someone makes me mad with their words, I frequently go and damage an unrelated 3rd party's property to get back at them. Because I am what is known as a child. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion |
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2802
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:22:00 -
[211] - Quote
I will be sad to see Gevlon get banned (if he did this).
Who will take his place as the laughing stock of EVE? Set the universe on fire - then sell the survivors ash. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Jur Tissant
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:27:00 -
[212] - Quote
It should be a bannable offense. Also, can't the relevant authorities use his Twitter to track him down and charge for vandalism? That said, I'm not sure how much damage this actually amounts to. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
2279
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:35:00 -
[213] - Quote
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I will be sad to see Gevlon get banned (if he did this).
Who will take his place as the laughing stock of EVE?
Gevoln did not do it. He's hardly even a fan of Eve, I certainly can't imagine him going to fanfest. The twitter account was made just to publish the picture and smear Gevlon with it. All quite childish. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
464
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:37:00 -
[214] - Quote
I literally can't separate myself from the game. I even have the pod ports installed.
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
429
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:38:00 -
[215] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Whoever did it likely searched for Xenuria's name with the name finder tool. Is it possible to find out IPs who sent requests for that name earlier today around the tweet time?
Surprisingly, you'll find that courts have ruled that IP addressees are not evidence, at least in the US. They're too easily faked. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5744
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:44:00 -
[216] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Whoever did it likely searched for Xenuria's name with the name finder tool. Is it possible to find out IPs who sent requests for that name earlier today around the tweet time? Surprisingly, you'll find that courts have ruled that IP addressees are not evidence, at least in the US. They're too easily faked.
They're not admissible evidence in court largely because most court rulings with regards to electronic information as evidence were made precedent well before they were properly understood, by people whose parents were old enough to remember the Civil War.
They are, however, usable to obtain a warrant for a computer and phone search. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3316
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:46:00 -
[217] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Whoever did it likely searched for Xenuria's name with the name finder tool. Is it possible to find out IPs who sent requests for that name earlier today around the tweet time? Surprisingly, you'll find that courts have ruled that IP addressees are not evidence, at least in the US. They're too easily faked. They're not admissible evidence in court largely because most court rulings with regards to electronic information as evidence were made precedent well before they were properly understood, by people whose parents were old enough to remember the Civil War. They are, however, usable to obtain a warrant for a computer and phone search. Not to mention that they are easily enough for CCP to wildly swing the banhammer. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Leezir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:49:00 -
[218] - Quote
Monkey Arms
Also HOMERson |
Marsha Mallow
471
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:52:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Not to mention that they are easily enough for CCP to wildly swing the banhammer. Funny how this one has players baying for blood and the banhammer eh? The last major publica banning was done at CCPs discretion, and tbh a lot of us shrugged. Same with this, but now its an insult to the wider playerbase. Hypocrisy + irony overload. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5746
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:54:00 -
[220] - Quote
Marsha Mallow wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Not to mention that they are easily enough for CCP to wildly swing the banhammer. Funny how this one has players baying for blood and the banhammer eh? The last major public banning was done at CCPs discretion, and tbh a lot of us shrugged. Same with this, but now its an insult to the wider playerbase. Hypocrisy + irony overload.
Turns out that once you have established that witch hunting is ok and gets results, it happens more often.
Besides, this one actually is a crime. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
238
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:01:00 -
[221] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:We're well aware of this, and are dealing with the situation as we speak. Frankly, on a personal note, I find this absolutely disgusting and completely detrimental to the EVE Community's close knit spirit. We'll have more information tomorrow afternoon/evening regarding this. Really sorry that this has happened guys
While I agree with dealing with it - "close knit spirit" is a very positive way of terming a community that holds true to the saying "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." We're close knit in that you have to be close to people to steal from them TSCA - Free 3rd Party & Collateral Holding Service - POS Deployment Corp Sale/Boosting |
Brendan Anneto
Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans
21
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:02:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:EVE is real. Deal with it, CCP and "disappointed" players. What you do ingame can and will have RL consequences. I wonder if Mitani's name is still intact... I would have expected his name to be erased of the EVE history first. And yes, this was a waste of my subscription money.
Grrrr Goons I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your terror comes, When your terror comes like a storm, And your destruction comes like a whirlwind, When distress and anguish come upon you.-á-á Proverbs 1:26-27 |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2804
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:02:00 -
[223] - Quote
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I will be sad to see Gevlon get banned (if he did this).
Who will take his place as the laughing stock of EVE? Gevoln did not do it. He's hardly even a fan of Eve, I certainly can't imagine him going to fanfest. The twitter account was made just to publish the picture and smear Gevlon with it. All quite childish.
Yeah that wouldn't surprise me either.
Where is the Ripard Teg blogpost calling this terrorism and an act of genocide? Set the universe on fire - then sell the survivors ash. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3317
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:02:00 -
[224] - Quote
Marsha Mallow wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Not to mention that they are easily enough for CCP to wildly swing the banhammer. Funny how this one has players baying for blood and the banhammer eh? The last major public banning was done at CCPs discretion, and tbh a lot of us shrugged. Same with this, but now its an insult to the wider playerbase. Hypocrisy + irony overload. What can I say, I find that someone vandalising an actual work of art related for and paid for by the developers of this game is more a reason to ban someone that someone asking someone to sing some songs (and since it's an actual real world crime, doe in fact violate the EULA/TOS). If you want to call that hypocrisy, that's your prerogative. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5746
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:03:00 -
[225] - Quote
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I will be sad to see Gevlon get banned (if he did this).
Who will take his place as the laughing stock of EVE? Gevoln did not do it. He's hardly even a fan of Eve, I certainly can't imagine him going to fanfest. The twitter account was made just to publish the picture and smear Gevlon with it. All quite childish. Yeah that wouldn't surprise me either. Where is the Ripard Teg blogpost calling this terrorism and an act of genocide?
That was reserved for the bee sticker. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9528
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:04:00 -
[226] - Quote
Marsha Mallow wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Not to mention that they are easily enough for CCP to wildly swing the banhammer. Funny how this one has players baying for blood and the banhammer eh? The last major public banning was done at CCPs discretion, and tbh a lot of us shrugged. Same with this, but now its an insult to the wider playerbase. Hypocrisy + irony overload. Yeah, wanting someone to be held accountable for an actual crime is definitely hypocrisy. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
555
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:09:00 -
[227] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Andski wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Or, they could just have the authorities extract the hidden EXIF metadata from the image. If it was taken with a modern phone or a digital camera there should be some very usable stuff in there. The image doesn't have any EXIF data So the perp was not entirely clueless or maybe just lucky.
I'm fairly sure that's because Imgur automatically resizes and stuff... It doesn't just make a copy but saves its own version of the image.
Also, what's with people claiming this is just spaceship shenanigans? If i come over and blow up your kitchen because of a difference we have in EVE, does that mean i go free 'because it's just because of a game'?
Actually damaging something in RL, whether it's just a scratch or dropping a nuke on it, is a crime in any country.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
429
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:12:00 -
[228] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote: Yeah, wanting someone to be held accountable for an actual crime is definitely hypocrisy.
Defacing property is so much more serious than attempting to end someone's life in the world of goons? You do know that Mittens would have been looking at jail time if CCP or what's his name had pressed charges, right?
Reiisha wrote: Also, what's with people claiming this is just spaceship shenanigans? If i come over and blow up your kitchen because of a difference we have in EVE, does that mean i go free 'because it's just because of a game'?
Actually damaging something in RL, whether it's just a scratch or dropping a nuke on it, is a crime in any country.
Because CCP threw wide the gates to this sort of thing not coming down like a tone of bricks on mittens. After all, if doing power points to manipulate someone into taking their own life isn't a serious crime, vandalism is hardly worth talking about. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3235
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:14:00 -
[229] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: Yeah, wanting someone to be held accountable for an actual crime is definitely hypocrisy.
Defacing property is so much more serious than attempting to end someone's life in the world of goons? You do know that Mittens would have been looking at jail time if CCP or what's his name had pressed charges, right? What country are you from? Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
429
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:14:00 -
[230] - Quote
Abrazzar wrote: What country are you from?
Seneca Nation of Indians. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5746
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:15:00 -
[231] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Abrazzar wrote: What country are you from?
Seneca Nation of Indians.
He said country. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
429
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:17:00 -
[232] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote: He said country.
It is, ask the US Congress. |
Luwc
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
130
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:17:00 -
[233] - Quote
Unless this is a very very very good troll...
whoever this was, needs to suffer the consequences.
Which consequences they are. despite the CCP reaction is up to every eve player himself.
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Marsha Mallow
472
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yeah, wanting someone to be held accountable for an actual crime is definitely hypocrisy. No, but screaming for the banhammer and full on raging is always funny. Particularly so soon after the Bonus Room episode and all the screeching when CCP exercised their right to enforce their EULA without asking permission from forum ragers. And various people went, predictably, berserk. I'm sorry, I can't help but find it hilarious. Deface my name on the monument and I'd probably wet myself laughing. Both 'victims' are the least likely to inspire any sort of sympathy, but fair play for being outraged on behalf of the 'community'.
I especially love the This is just despicable! Goon posts, and the irony in making these remarks immediately after fanfest. I hope the 'perp' pleads not guilty, cos they were drunk. And blames fellow players. Good luck with the forum detecting and prosecution though, off to a good start. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9530
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:20:00 -
[235] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: Yeah, wanting someone to be held accountable for an actual crime is definitely hypocrisy.
Defacing property is so much more serious than attempting to end someone's life in the world of goons? Nobody attempted to end anyone else's life.
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:You do know that Mittens would have been looking at jail time if CCP or what's his name had pressed charges, right? I seriously doubt that.
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Because CCP threw wide the gates to this sort of thing not coming down like a tone of bricks on mittens. After all, if doing power points to manipulate someone into taking their own life isn't a serious crime, vandalism is hardly worth talking about. Are you serious? "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1425
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:20:00 -
[236] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Defacing property is so much more serious than attempting to end someone's life in the world of goons? I like where this thread has gone.
Community outrage --> internet lawyering ---> crimes against humanity and attempted murder ---> Grrr Goons.
It always comes back to Grrr Goons. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
429
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:24:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote: I like where this thread has gone.
Community outrage --> internet lawyering ---> crimes against humanity and attempted murder ---> Grrr Goons.
It always comes back to Grrr Goons.
Well, if it wasn't the Goons who are up here saying that it's a horrible crime that needs prosecuted, with what can only be called staggering hypocrisy, you wouldn't have the Grr Goons step. |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1043
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:25:00 -
[238] - Quote
Way too far. I honestly didn't expect something like this. However, the discussion around the culprit's identity is certainly diverting!
Steijn wrote:Stupid question which the answer for doesnt really prove anything, but was Gevlon actually at FanFest? This does seem to be directly relevant. His blog doesn't seem to mention it so highly doubtful he went.
Which leads to the question! Who dislikes Gevlon enough to frame him for such a despicable act? Grrr... Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9530
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Deface my name on the monument and I'd probably wet myself laughing. Both 'victims' are the least likely to inspire any sort of sympathy, but fair play for being outraged on behalf of the 'community'. I see three potential victims here. CCP's monument was defaced. Xenuria's name was defaced on the monument. Gevlon Goblin was framed for it.
So what if you don't care about your name being defaced, that's still physical damage to CCP's property.
Marsha Mallow wrote:I especially love the This is just despicable! Goon posts, and the irony in making these remarks immediately after fanfest. I hope the 'perp' pleads not guilty, cos they were drunk. And blames fellow players. Good luck with the forum detecting and prosecution though, off to a good start. I hope you realize that the main gist of the "Goon posts" in this thread has been to shift the focus away from GG - a good thing since he doesn't appear to have done this. Trying to blame us for a witchhunt is a bit misguided when we're the ones lending rationality to this debacle. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9531
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[240] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote: I like where this thread has gone.
Community outrage --> internet lawyering ---> crimes against humanity and attempted murder ---> Grrr Goons.
It always comes back to Grrr Goons.
Well, if it wasn't the Goons who are up here saying that it's a horrible crime that needs prosecuted, with what can only be called staggering hypocrisy, you wouldn't have the Grr Goons step. You still have yet to demonstrate the hypocrisy. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
429
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Marsha Mallow wrote: I'm sorry, I can't help but find it hilarious. Deface my name on the monument and I'd probably wet myself laughing.
I'm hoping if they ever bag mine, they at least have the decency to hit it with thermite, or at least a pencil torch, after all the 'Kill it with FIRE!' posts about me.
James Amril-Kesh wrote: You still have yet to demonstrate the hypocrisy.
Since you seem to utterly fail to understand why Mittens would be a criminal, here is a brief primer.
http://www.wisegeek.org/what-are-internet-harassment-laws.htm
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3320
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Marsha Mallow wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yeah, wanting someone to be held accountable for an actual crime is definitely hypocrisy. No, but screaming for the banhammer and full on raging is always funny. Particularly so soon after the Bonus Room episode and all the screeching when CCP exercised their right to enforce their EULA without asking permission from forum ragers. And various people went, predictably, berserk. I'm sorry, I can't help but find it hilarious. Deface my name on the monument and I'd probably wet myself laughing. Both 'victims' are the least likely to inspire any sort of sympathy, but fair play for being outraged on behalf of the 'community'. I especially love the This is just despicable! Goon posts, and the irony in making these remarks immediately after fanfest. I hope the 'perp' pleads not guilty, cos they were drunk. And blames fellow players. Good luck with the forum detecting and prosecution though, off to a good start. Who is "screaming for the banhammer". The only person here screaming is you, when you come in screaming wild accusations abut how people are reacting. We are perfectly happy to watch CCP proceed down whatever line of investigation they want, and if they find he culprit, they will inevitably ban them, that's pretty much a given. We're simply stating that we would not be opposed to that.
honestly, if you can't see the difference between this and the other things you've mentioned, then I really don't know what to say. Perhaps suggesting you go to school wouldn't be a hard push. Maybe since you'e got such a hard on for the Mittani you should go back and read what actually happened, then you'd realise nobody was saying "not guilty", not even Mittani himself. He took his punishment, end of. with the E1 situation, it wasn't CCPs decision, but the fact that it was taken purely off the back of a single CSM members hate campaign with THE VICTIM stating that there should be no banning. When the victim is on the other side of the argument, that's a clear sign of a problem.
The problem with people like you is that you don;t actually believe the horse **** you come out with. You just want to try and turn everything, no matter what is is, back into "grr goons" ****. Take a loot at the actual situation. Are you honestly saying that you think vandalism of a public monument in a capital city is perfectly reasonable behaviour? If no, then shut the **** up, if yes, then re-evaluate your positions in society. Either way, quit crying. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Well, if it wasn't the Goons who are up here saying that it's a horrible crime that needs prosecuted, with what can only be called staggering hypocrisy, you wouldn't have the Grr Goons step. You always have the Grrr Goons step. It's the only constant on the forum.
It should be officially called the "Grrr Goons Constant" and be given a value. There should be a formula derived to determine the number of pages before "Grrr Goons" appears in any thread. Something of the form:
N = Grr Goons x f(x)
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:I like where this thread has gone.
Community outrage --> internet lawyering ---> crimes against humanity and attempted murder ---> Grrr Goons.
It always comes back to Grrr Goons. Well, if it wasn't the Goons who are up here saying that it's a horrible crime that needs prosecuted, with what can only be called staggering hypocrisy, you wouldn't have the Grr Goons step. Yes, if you have absolutely no idea how the law works, then yes, it could seem like staggering hypocrisy. That doesn't mean it actually is though, it just means your skewed view makes it appear that way. It's kinda like magic, but stupid. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Marsha Mallow wrote:Deface my name on the monument and I'd probably wet myself laughing. Both 'victims' are the least likely to inspire any sort of sympathy, but fair play for being outraged on behalf of the 'community'. I see three potential victims here. CCP's monument was defaced. Xenuria's name was defaced on the monument. Gevlon Goblin was framed for it. So what if you don't care about your name being defaced, that's still physical damage to CCP's property. I don't like Xenuria. I don't care about GG. I do care about CCP and this community. Marsha Mallow wrote:I especially love the This is just despicable! Goon posts, and the irony in making these remarks immediately after fanfest. I hope the 'perp' pleads not guilty, cos they were drunk. And blames fellow players. Good luck with the forum detecting and prosecution though, off to a good start. I hope you realize that the main gist of the "Goon posts" in this thread has been to shift the focus away from GG - a good thing since he doesn't appear to have done this. Trying to blame us for a witchhunt is a bit misguided when we're the ones lending rationality to this debacle. Dude. This post has absolutely no place for sound logical arguments. We're all just screaming, remember?
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:37:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I see three potential victims here. CCP's monument was defaced. Xenuria's name was defaced on the monument. Gevlon Goblin was framed for it.
So what if you don't care about your name being defaced, that's still physical damage to CCP's property.
I don't like Xenuria. I don't care about GG. I do care about CCP and this community. Same, but if you are going to run up and down waving your arms about how the community has been disrespected, trolled, violated. Remember where you are and who you identify with ingame. Just for a minute.
James Amril-Kesh wrote:I hope you realize that the main gist of the "Goon posts" in this thread has been to shift the focus away from GG - a good thing since he doesn't appear to have done this. Trying to blame us for a witchhunt is a bit misguided when we're the ones lending rationality to this debacle. Ye, I agree don't start a witch hunt. But when you attempt to 'lend rationality' to the debacle in all seriousness, don't expect us not to fall about laughing whilst our irony meters explode.
And you did deface the monument yourselves shortly before (but only with a sticker, so that was OK). I'm contacting IZ to see if the sticker should be classed as public defacement.
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:39:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Yes, if you have absolutely no idea how the law works, then yes, it could seem like staggering hypocrisy.
That doesn't mean it actually is though, it just means your skewed view makes it appear that way. It's kinda like magic, but stupid.
So, he didn't get on stage and present a power point presentation geared toward harassing someone until they committed suicide? (A very, very serious form of internet harassment that carries the maximum sentence, and at the very least can be argued as intent to commit even if proof could not be offered that he had indeed done such a thing)
I'll file that one away with "the holocaust never happened". It's revisionism, plain and simple. |
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:44:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote: So, he didn't get on stage and present a power point presentation geared toward harassing someone until they committed suicide?
No, he did not.
He got up on stage and gave a powerpoint presentation dedicating the inauguration of the Ministry of Love, GSF's highsec ganking arm. The Wiz statement was a poorly worded afterthought after having slammed a not inconsiderable amount of alcohol. A statement for which he publicly apologized and accepted his punishment for.
Which is a far cry from the disengenous, biased horseshit you're trying to feed.
Oh, and an indian tribe isn't a country. Not recognized by any international body. They're not a nation any more than Broncos fans. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:44:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Same, but if you are going to run up and down waving your arms about how the community has been disrespected, trolled, violated. Remember where you are and who you identify with ingame. Just for a minute. In. Game. Remember that. Just for a minute.
Marsha Mallow wrote:Ye, I agree don't start a witch hunt. But when you attempt to 'lend rationality' to the debacle in all seriousness, don't expect us not to fall about laughing whilst our irony meters explode. You can fall down laughing if you like, just don't be surprised when everyone looks at you funny.
Marsha Mallow wrote:And you did deface the monument yourselves shortly before (but only with a sticker, so that was OK). I'm contacting IZ to see if the sticker should be classed as public defacement. Yes, we did that. All of us, collectively. I, James Amril-Kesh, defaced a monument in a country I've never set foot on. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Andski
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:46:00 -
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ITT dumb pubbies think that everything that is ever done that remotely involves goonswarm was done by goonswarm Twitter: @EVEAndski
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hisec needs another good flogging from the looks of it Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:47:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:So, he didn't get on stage and present a power point presentation geared toward harassing someone until they committed suicide? Sure he did deliver a powerpoint presentation (what it was geared towards or not is where controversy comes into that whole issue). But that's not what the previous post was about. It was about you lacking knowledge of the law.
In terms of lacking knowledge of the law - it equally applies to almost all of us here. Internet lawyering and interpreting any issue in terms of legal implications is funny.
I like funny (I'm being Gallen Tollen again).
Quote:(A very, very serious form of internet harassment that carries the maximum sentence, and at the very least can be argued as intent to commit even if proof could not be offered that he had indeed done such a thing) Under what criminal code? Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Under what criminal code?
the law of the internet, made by internet legislature and enforced by the internet police Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:50:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Yes, if you have absolutely no idea how the law works, then yes, it could seem like staggering hypocrisy.
That doesn't mean it actually is though, it just means your skewed view makes it appear that way. It's kinda like magic, but stupid. So, he didn't get on stage and present a power point presentation geared toward harassing someone until they committed suicide? (A very, very serious form of internet harassment that carries the maximum sentence, and at the very least can be argued as intent to commit even if proof could not be offered that he had indeed done such a thing) I'll file that one away with "the holocaust never happened". It's revisionism, plain and simple. So file charges against him. If you think justice has not been done, and you think that what took place was not enough, then go fseek a prosecution. At the end of the day it was a joke that went too far, which everyone knew, and Mittani took full responsibility for. It's wasn't a specifically designed pyche campaign with the sole intent of causing a player to commit suicide. The fact that you think it was is probably one of the most ludicrous things I've heard this year. We don't need to revise anything, all the facts are there for you to go and find out. Just because you've read a single sensationalised piece of media about the situation and assumed it was entirely fact doesn't make that the case. Go educate yourself.
Then beyond that, are you saying that therefore means that nobody should ever be challenged over any crime, simply because in your opinion justice wasn't done once? So by Mittani not being prosecuted, somehow that makes it acceptable to go out and vandalise public property? Is that what you are saying? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:52:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:I'll file that one away with "the holocaust never happened". It's revisionism, plain and simple.
"mittens didn't actually try to kill someone" isn't revisionism just the truth and you're a pretty sad excuse for a human being for comparing that to a genocide and the human garbage that deny it Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:55:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Oh, and an indian tribe isn't a country. Not recognized by any international body. They're not a nation any more than Broncos fans.
Recognized by:
the United States of America
The United Nations (though not a member state)
The United Kingdom
Canada
France
Probably some others I don't know about
If you don't believe me, please come on our territory and commit a crime. The US DEA did. And they were arrested and deported. While we may be considered a 'domestically dependent nation' we are in still in fact a sovereign country. |
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You guys...
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:While we may be considered a 'domestically dependent nation' we are in still in fact a sovereign country.
The two are mutually exclusive terms. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Locke DieDrake
The Arrow Project
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Disgraceful.
CCP I believe i speak for most of the community on this. Bring the hammer down. Everything you can do to the responsible parties, do. |
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Scipio Artelius
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:http://www.ncsl.org/research/telecommunications-and-information-technology/cyberstalking-and-cyberharassment-laws.aspx
Here's a list. Though this one is just for the United States
Ah, I see. Please explain to me as a layman, how any of that US law relating to cyberbullying and cyberharrassment apply to the delivery of a presentation to a group of people in a real venue, in a different country, can actually apply.
Also, if it's not too much trouble, please click on any of the actual pieces of legislation linked and let me know how they are relevant. What criminal law was violated? I just clicked on 3 of them and can't read into the actual text, how any of it applies to what was done a couple of years ago at FanFest.
As a result, I'm still a little clueless about the value of internet lawyering.
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Cygnet Lythanea
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: The two are mutually exclusive terms.
It's part of the US governments elaborate dance on native sovereignty. We're in a better position than most nations, we got it in writing early on.
We're 'domestically dependent' only in the sense that we agreed to give up our army in exchange for the US to do the job. I might point out Japan had the same arraignment for quite some time. |
London
Justified Chaos
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So much for a 'mature' player base, I can't believe someone would do something like that and brag about it. Completely disgusting, ban that player for life.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:19:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: The two are mutually exclusive terms.
It's part of the US governments elaborate dance on native sovereignty. We're in a better position than most nations, we got it in writing early on. We're 'domestically dependent' only in the sense that we agreed to give up our army in exchange for the US to do the job. I might point out Japan had the same arraignment for quite some time.
The difference is that Japan is actually a sovereign nation, notably with it's own representation in the U.N., it doesn't just call itself one. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:26:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote: As a result, I'm still a little clueless about the value of internet lawyering.
Can you help me out?
Ha. As to which one applies it would depend on the victims location. The US has this weird thing that they consider the 'location' of crimes committed involving the internet to not be where the person committing the crime was, but where the victim was. So which applies is a good question, I admit, and might not apply at all, if they were located in the right jurisdiction.
This is why they get things like United States v. ElcomSoft and Dmitry Sklyarov and the whole Kim Dotcom debacle. So far, all the cases tried under this (that I know of) have been either plea bargained or the case dropped. I'll be honest, it would be interesting to see someone move the whole way through the system on this one without a plea bargain to see if this holds up under scrutiny or not, and on of the reasons that I've been watching the Megaupload thing closely. Megaupload was located in Hong Kong, and about as far from US sovereignty as one can get.
And unlike the average guy, they have the money to fight.
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: OP: Some EVE players can not separate them self from the game.
Themselves.
Thats been shown in the past unfort, like a certain incident involving a titan pilot and power cables...
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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
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Why do people take this monument so seriously?
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Cygnet Lythanea
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: The difference is that Japan is actually a sovereign nation, notably with it's own representation in the U.N., it doesn't just call itself one.
Again, feel free to come here and commit a crime in front of the Seneca Marshals. They WILL arrest you and DO have the power to do so. The court DOES have the power to punish your ass, and you DO NOT have rights under the law but the one's OUR laws give you as long as you are on OUR sovereign territory.
It's why you can't get a mortgage in Salamanca, but China was willing to lend us half a billion dollars.
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Wolfbane Hauler Inc
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Abrazzar wrote: What country are you from?
Seneca Nation of Indians.
Hello! I thought I was the only Haudenosaunee playing EvE Online! Please stop grring at goons, though, as it gives me and potentially ones of other Iroquois players a bad name. And if you actually live on Seneca lands, then you should be well aware that regardless of the number of treaties the US government might need to break in order to impugn our Sovereignty, they'll do it, so asking them might not be too good of an idea to back up our claim that we are a confederacy of free nations. Wolfbane Hauler Inc Looking For Combat And Industrial Pilots |
Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:40:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:As to which one applies it would depend on the victims location. The US has this weird thing that they consider the 'location' of crimes committed involving the internet to not be where the person committing the crime was, but where the victim was.
OK, but how does an internet law apply to a situation that didn't occur within the internet?
How does the issue of intent, which on clicking those laws, all of them included from what I can read as a layman, apply?
Is there any way in your deep knowledge of the law as applied to the internet, that you can just even explain in simple terms how an actual quote from any of that legislation applies to The Mittani situation, to conclude that it was "A very, very serious form of internet harassment that carries the maximum sentence".
Because as far as I know, The Mittani has never been charged with any offence for what he stupidly did; and no one has ever been able to explain to me in simple, factual terms what actual criminal code applied to his dump actions.
Any chance you can stop talking in general terms and actually explain it factually based on an actual criminal code?
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: The two are mutually exclusive terms.
It's part of the US governments elaborate dance on native sovereignty. We're in a better position than most nations, we got it in writing early on. We're 'domestically dependent' only in the sense that we agreed to give up our army in exchange for the US to do the job. I might point out Japan had the same arraignment for quite some time. The difference is that Japan is actually a sovereign nation, notably with it's own representation in the U.N., it doesn't just call itself one.
Listen, buddy, before you go insulting an entire people perhaps you should do a bit of research. Type Iroquois into Google. It's only one word, hard for some people(meaning you) to spell though it might be(I suggest copy and paste, so I'm sure you can handle it. Otherwise, take your bigotry elsewhere. Wolfbane Hauler Inc Looking For Combat And Industrial Pilots |
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:Tiberius StarGazer wrote:I hope CCP take all of Gevlons ISK in plex value for the repair, that's bloody discusting. If it is proven that it was him/her I agree. Pfft, it's a new twitter account with a single tweet. It's obviously Gevlon. Bannination, I say! WTF did I just read? |
Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2014.05.05 01:47:00 -
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Xavier Higdon wrote:
Hello! I thought I was the only Haudenosaunee playing EvE Online! Please stop grring at goons, though, as it gives me and potentially ones of other Iroquois players a bad name. And if you actually live on Seneca lands, then you should be well aware that regardless of the number of treaties the US government might need to break in order to impugn our Sovereignty, they'll do it, so asking them might not be too good of an idea to back up our claim that we are a confederacy of free nations.
Yes, I do (though at the moment am Down in Pennsylvania for work), I know that, I still remember back to 1998. (LOL @ potentially ones of others. We probably have more if we count the guys in Oklahoma)
Though, point of fact, that's true of any country that if they decide to pick on their smaller neighbors, they're gonna do it, treaties or no. Look at what's going on in Eastern Europe right now.
But this asshat is insisting that SNI is NOT a 'real' country. I find that deeply offensive. I've been to the National Library and National Museum. They suck, but we have them. I bet if we were white like Luxembourg he'd have no problem with us being a nation. |
Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote:
Hello! I thought I was the only Haudenosaunee playing EvE Online! Please stop grring at goons, though, as it gives me and potentially ones of other Iroquois players a bad name. And if you actually live on Seneca lands, then you should be well aware that regardless of the number of treaties the US government might need to break in order to impugn our Sovereignty, they'll do it, so asking them might not be too good of an idea to back up our claim that we are a confederacy of free nations.
Yes, I do, I know that, I still remember back to 1998. (LOL @ potentially ones of others. We probably have more if we count the guys in Oklahoma) But this asshat is insisting that SNI is NOT a 'real' country. I find that deeply offensive. I've been to the National Library and National Museum. They suck, but we have them. I bet if we were white like Luxembourg he'd have no problem with us being a nation.
We're one of the few true minorities left, and probably the only ones who live entirely in the first world(though I might be wrong, depending on the classification of gypsies in Europe) and as such we just don't count. Sure, we can vote, but unless we're voting for a town official it's unlikely we're gonna tip the scales one way or the other. And the fact that we went from being nearly exterminated to owning some of the most lucrative casinos in the country just makes some people jealous. When First People are starving and dying of disease, we're a sovereign people that needs to take care of themselves. Now that many tribes are independent and fully able to support themselves, people get to thinking that maybe we shouldn't be so sovereign after all. Wolfbane Hauler Inc Looking For Combat And Industrial Pilots |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Xavier Higdon wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: The two are mutually exclusive terms.
It's part of the US governments elaborate dance on native sovereignty. We're in a better position than most nations, we got it in writing early on. We're 'domestically dependent' only in the sense that we agreed to give up our army in exchange for the US to do the job. I might point out Japan had the same arraignment for quite some time. The difference is that Japan is actually a sovereign nation, notably with it's own representation in the U.N., it doesn't just call itself one. Listen, buddy, before you go insulting an entire people perhaps you should do a bit of research. Type Iroquois into Google. It's only one word, hard for some people(meaning you) to spell though it might be(I suggest copy and paste, so I'm sure you can handle it. Otherwise, take your bigotry elsewhere.
You found offense where none was intended. It's just a statement of terms.
Whether a group calls itself a sovereign nation or not is not relevant if they exist solely at the sufferance of a larger nation. If that is the case, they are not a sovereign state, the larger one is just letting them play at it.
[edit: Luxembourg isn't a sovereign nation in any functional form either. Neither is the Vatican. Or a whole bunch of the rest of them. We are well into the "puppet state" point in history here. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Garandras
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
167
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Posted - 2014.05.05 02:07:00 -
[276] - Quote
So much tears and raging..
Culprit did a **** mvoe.. and wouldnt mind seeing CCP's responce |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10605
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Posted - 2014.05.05 02:07:00 -
[277] - Quote
the sovereign status of indian tribes is an even more exciting discussion than "who made a few millimeters-long scratches on a plate" Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
293
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Posted - 2014.05.05 02:18:00 -
[278] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: The two are mutually exclusive terms.
It's part of the US governments elaborate dance on native sovereignty. We're in a better position than most nations, we got it in writing early on. We're 'domestically dependent' only in the sense that we agreed to give up our army in exchange for the US to do the job. I might point out Japan had the same arraignment for quite some time. The difference is that Japan is actually a sovereign nation, notably with it's own representation in the U.N., it doesn't just call itself one. Listen, buddy, before you go insulting an entire people perhaps you should do a bit of research. Type Iroquois into Google. It's only one word, hard for some people(meaning you) to spell though it might be(I suggest copy and paste, so I'm sure you can handle it. Otherwise, take your bigotry elsewhere. You found offense where none was intended. It's just a statement of terms. Whether a group calls itself a sovereign nation or not is not relevant if they exist solely at the sufferance of a larger nation. If that is the case, they are not a sovereign state, the larger one is just letting them play at it. [edit: Luxembourg isn't a sovereign nation in any functional form either. Neither is the Vatican. Or a whole bunch of the rest of them. We are well into the "puppet state" point in history here.
Your implication that "we just call ourselves" a sovereign nation is a broad statement against Native Americans as a whole, and is implying that we do not count because we are Native American. After all, any country that isn't the US, China or Russia only exists because the US, China and/or Russia allows them to. At any moment, one or more of those countries might decide that you just shouldn't be there anymore, and next thing you know you've lost Crimea. Wolfbane Hauler Inc Looking For Combat And Industrial Pilots |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1671
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Posted - 2014.05.05 02:18:00 -
[279] - Quote
Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:We all know lots of players in EVE are jerks in game. Over the past five years I would find my self asking how much of it do they carry outside the game? https://twitter.com/The_Real_Gevlon/status/463002069989736448I think this pretty much sums it up. vandalizing the monument is way overboard. These are "adults" doing this really pretty sad. I think if it is found out who the player(s) are they are vandalizing the monument the related EVE accounts should be perma ban. And as well as punished based on the countries laws of vandalism. Poor taste.
Crucify That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
430
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Posted - 2014.05.05 02:19:00 -
[280] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Whether a group calls itself a sovereign nation or not is not relevant if they exist solely at the sufferance of a larger nation. If that is the case, they are not a sovereign state, the larger one is just letting them play at it.
By that logic, The only nations in Europe are France, England, and Germany, and the only thing in Eastern Europe is Russia.
I think it safe to say that all those people would be deeply offended if you compared their countries to Denver Broncos fans. Indeed, I think it safe to say that CCP might take offense if you pointed out Iceland existed only at the sufferance of Denmark.
Xavier Higdon wrote: And the fact that we went from being nearly exterminated to owning some of the most lucrative casinos in the country just makes some people jealous.
Personally I think it's the fact we finally figured away to turn their greed against them. Used to be that no one ever wanted to go to see a native, unless it was to try and cheat us some how. Now we have to hire buses to transport them all, and they come in and just give us their money. One million dollars a day in profit. And are happy about it. That's the part that blows my mind.
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1671
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Posted - 2014.05.05 02:21:00 -
[281] - Quote
That monument is ours. ALL of ours. Every single name on there belongs there, regardless of any differences we may have, in-game.
I can't freaking stand Rezell or DNS Black, but there's not enough alcohol and anger in the world to make me even think about scratching either of their names off the plate.... especially since my ire towards the both of them stays in New Eden whenever I log off.
Grow the hell up, people. It's just a friggin video game. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Adunh Slavy
1382
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Posted - 2014.05.05 02:28:00 -
[282] - Quote
Xavier Higdon wrote:But this asshat is insisting that SNI is NOT a 'real' country.
To be a "real contry", as defined by the existing countries, you need to have lots of guns and impose your will by force, upon those in a geographical area. In short, you need to have as much blood on your hands as they do.
Take it as a compliment that you do not. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5751
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Posted - 2014.05.05 02:33:00 -
[283] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Whether a group calls itself a sovereign nation or not is not relevant if they exist solely at the sufferance of a larger nation. If that is the case, they are not a sovereign state, the larger one is just letting them play at it.
By that logic, The only nations in Europe are France, England, and Germany, and the only thing in Eastern Europe is Russia. I think it safe to say that all those people would be deeply offended if you compared their countries to Denver Broncos fans. Indeed, I think it safe to say that CCP might take offense if you pointed out Iceland existed only at the sufferance of Denmark. Xavier Higdon wrote: And the fact that we went from being nearly exterminated to owning some of the most lucrative casinos in the country just makes some people jealous. Personally I think it's the fact we finally figured away to turn their greed against them. Used to be that no one ever wanted to go to see a native, unless it was to try and cheat us some how. Now we have to hire buses to transport them all, and they come in and just give us their money. One million dollars a day in profit. And are happy about it. That's the part that blows my mind. Why didn't we think of this sooner?
I love it when people call out others for a perceived slight while saying more than a few genuinely prejudiced things themselves.
Oh, and Iceland exists solely at the sufferance of NATO, big difference. You also forgot Spain and Italy in your list. And it doesn't particularly bother me if it offends them to be compared to Denver Broncos fans. "I'm offended" has long since changed it's meaning into "I can't disprove what you said but it hurt my feelings anyway", for which I am truly, utterly unrepentant.
It's not like I haven't heard ad nauseum how much America sucks. If it gets dished out, it gets dished out to everybody. That's what fair really is. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
293
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Posted - 2014.05.05 02:38:00 -
[284] - Quote
Adunh Slavy wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote:But this asshat is insisting that SNI is NOT a 'real' country. To be a "real country", as defined by the existing countries, you need to have lots of guns and impose your will by force, upon those in a geographical area. In short, you need to have as much blood on your hands as they do. Take it as a compliment that you do not.
On the contrary, his argument isn't that we don't have the military might(though even without a standing army our territory has been expanding in recent history), but rather that we don't have the right to be a sovereign nation because he says so. Wolfbane Hauler Inc Looking For Combat And Industrial Pilots |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5752
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Posted - 2014.05.05 02:47:00 -
[285] - Quote
Xavier Higdon wrote: On the contrary, his argument isn't that we don't have the military might(though even without a standing army our territory has been expanding in recent history), but rather that we don't have the right to be a sovereign nation because he says so.
Not in the slightest, no.
I'm saying that whatever you call it is irrelevant if you have absolutely no way of backing that up, of securing the rights of your citizens.
"In name only" leaps to mind. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Rhiannon Marius
Marius Family Enterprises Unlimited
25
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Posted - 2014.05.05 02:56:00 -
[286] - Quote
Um you guys realize that country and nation are not the same thing right? There are many recognized native american nations but no recognized native american countries. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
430
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Posted - 2014.05.05 02:56:00 -
[287] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I love it when people call out others for a perceived slight while saying more than a few genuinely prejudiced things themselves.
Oh, and Iceland exists solely at the sufferance of NATO, big difference. You also forgot Spain and Italy in your list. And it doesn't particularly bother me if it offends them to be compared to Denver Broncos fans. "I'm offended" has long since changed it's meaning into "I can't disprove what you said but it hurt my feelings anyway", for which I am truly, utterly unrepentant.
It's not like I haven't heard ad nauseum how much America sucks. If it gets dished out, it gets dished out to everybody. That's what fair really is.
I hate to ask, but it's it's not greed that draws people to casinos, what is? The buffet?
Let me be really blunt: No one ever wanted to come to a reservation, and for good damn reason. A lot of them used to be the sort of hell you normally would only find in places like Rwanda. No one ever came there of their own free will except various people over the years who (mostly) tried to cheat us. or murder us. Or do any number of other unpleasant things. Greedy people swarmed on them like flies on a corpse and hoped that the US government would back whatever scam they were pushing.
You might note, I did not say 'white people'. It might be too fine a distinction for you, but greed comes in all colors.
And our wars are fought in the board room now, rather than the battlefield. We bring our enemies low, not with a war club, but with a better product, cheaper.
As far as Spain, I think it safe to say that Napoleon and Wellington disproved that.
And, btw: NATO, in the past, has generally adopted a hands off policy when two member states have a 'dispute' and tend to palm the issue off on the UN. It's when a nonmember state invades a member that they get... upset. It still requires the member state to last long enough to invoke article 5 of the Washington treaty, and even then what aid gets sent might not be what they were looking for. |
Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
293
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:01:00 -
[288] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote: On the contrary, his argument isn't that we don't have the military might(though even without a standing army our territory has been expanding in recent history), but rather that we don't have the right to be a sovereign nation because he says so.
Not in the slightest, no. I'm saying that whatever you call it is irrelevant if you have absolutely no way of backing that up, of securing the rights of your citizens. "In name only" leaps to mind.
Exactly, "I'm saying that whatever you call it is irrelevant if you have absolutely no way of backing that up, of securing the rights of your citizens." Just because you say it, you seem to think that it becomes true. You're attempting to enforce what you say on an entire group of people just because you don't want us to be who we are. I'm confused as to where you get this idea that because you say so, it becomes so. I'm sorry to inform you, however, that that isn't true. Wolfbane Hauler Inc Looking For Combat And Industrial Pilots |
Pestario Vargas
The Conference Elite CODE.
0
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:03:00 -
[289] - Quote
Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:We all know lots of players in EVE are jerks in game. Over the past five years I would find my self asking how much of it do they carry outside the game? https://twitter.com/The_Real_Gevlon/status/463002069989736448I think this pretty much sums it up. vandalizing the monument is way overboard. These are "adults" doing this really pretty sad. I think if it is found out who the player(s) are they are vandalizing the monument the related EVE accounts should be perma ban. And as well as punished based on the countries laws of vandalism. Poor taste.
What actual evidence do you have that it was Gevlon? Do you believe everything you see on the Interwebz?
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Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
294
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:09:00 -
[290] - Quote
Rhiannon Marius wrote:Um you guys realize that country and nation are not the same thing right? There are many recognized native american nations but no recognized native american countries.
Of course, I live in the country of The United States of America, in the State of New York, I grew up on the land of the Oneida Nation and then later on the land of the Tuscarora Nation. That does not change, however, his argument that we don't count because he says so. To be fair, it's a bit nitpicky, and the argument could have been avoided except for his assertion that Haudenosaunee don't matter. I just keep getting hung up on his view that what he says trumps government law, government treaties and that because he says so, it means First People are non-entities. Wolfbane Hauler Inc Looking For Combat And Industrial Pilots |
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
431
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:10:00 -
[291] - Quote
Rhiannon Marius wrote:Um you guys realize that country and nation are not the same thing right? There are many recognized native american nations but no recognized native american countries.
Point of fact, a country can exist without sovereignty.
The Seneca Nation was recognized as a sovereign state in an act of US Congress. That's really all that's technically required. There are all sorts of shades that follow, and this is probably not the forum for a discussion of international politics and all the dog and pony shows that go along with it, but in a nutshell all that's really required is that one or more other countries recognize it as sovereign. This was the issue China had with the UN for many years was they were NOT recognized, even though they were the de facto rulers of China.
I dunno if this helps explain this at all, but basically we're sovereign because we have paper that says so. In theory we could have our own armies and prisons etc, we have the money, but at the moment the status quo is to the benefit of all parties. We sit back and make lots of money, and slowly buy back our territory from the US. It's slow going, but we've been making headway buying up Buffalo and Niagara Falls, and are working on other areas. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5755
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:11:00 -
[292] - Quote
Xavier Higdon wrote: Just because you say it, you seem to think that it becomes true.
I hate to cherrypick you, but this statement coming from someone who has taken the position that a group of a few hundred people constitute a country is fairly ironic.
Quote: You're attempting to enforce what you say on an entire group of people just because you don't want us to be who we are. I'm confused as to where you get this idea that because you say so, it becomes so. I'm sorry to inform you, however, that that isn't true.
Not at all. I honestly don't know where you are getting this supposed hostile intent from. I grew up around reservations, whether it was a Navaho one in Sierra Vista, AZ, or one of the four of five I lived near in the various times I lived in Alaska. I think the existence of reservations as a whole is a god damned tragedy.
But you're not your own country, whatever you might style it. To put it in EVE terms, it's like someone I used to know from Fweddit telling me that they're "in Goons now". They're not. they are, to put it bluntly, a pet of an entity much larger than themselves.
Once again, whether I am happy or not with how all of the irl stuff turned out is not relevant to the discussion, because that's just the truth of the matter.
As for Cygnet, I am rather sure I'm not getting any more useful discussion out of you, but I may as well try.
What "enemies"? What "wars"? Are you being serious? That sounds like something you took out of a South Park episode. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
195
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:17:00 -
[293] - Quote
They should have added more space between peoples' names, they all run together.
That hacker guy zerocool from the movie Hackers is on that panel, maybe give him a call and have him trace the IP through the JPEG code protocol interwebs signature routers. computers.
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
432
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:25:00 -
[294] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote: As for Cygnet, I am rather sure I'm not getting any more useful discussion out of you, but I may as well try.
What "enemies"? What "wars"? Are you being serious? That sounds like something you took out of a South Park episode.
I was speaking a bit metaphorically, but to put it simply, instead of marching armies across boarders and seizing land, we're just buying it off them. If a company tries to pollute our lands, we run them out of business. We work with unions to picket their plants. We broadcast their names on our media outlets and unleash muckraking journalists followed by lawyers. We shut down political opponents not by taking their hair, but, by looking like the good guys because we open businesses in their area and employ the people that they couldn't get jobs. |
Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
294
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:46:00 -
[295] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Xavier Higdon wrote: Just because you say it, you seem to think that it becomes true. I hate to cherrypick you, but this statement coming from someone who has taken the position that a group of a few hundred people constitute a country is fairly ironic. Quote: You're attempting to enforce what you say on an entire group of people just because you don't want us to be who we are. I'm confused as to where you get this idea that because you say so, it becomes so. I'm sorry to inform you, however, that that isn't true.
Not at all. I honestly don't know where you are getting this supposed hostile intent from. I grew up around reservations, whether it was a Navaho one in Sierra Vista, AZ, or one of the four of five I lived near in the various times I lived in Alaska. I think the existence of reservations as a whole is a god damned tragedy. But you're not your own country, whatever you might style it. To put it in EVE terms, it's like someone I used to know from Fweddit telling me that they're "in Goons now". They're not. they are, to put it bluntly, a pet of an entity much larger than themselves. Once again, whether I am happy or not with how all of the irl stuff turned out is not relevant to the discussion, because that's just the truth of the matter. As for Cygnet, I am rather sure I'm not getting any more useful discussion out of you, but I may as well try. What "enemies"? What "wars"? Are you being serious? That sounds like something you took out of a South Park episode.
It is not what "we" style ourselves as, but rather how "we" are recognized by other sovereign countries. We have, through treaties, agreed to pay federal taxes in return for recognition as citizens of the US and the protection of our lands by the US, but we could also choose to stop paying those taxes, renounce our citizenship and declare war on any country we so choose. Would that end well for us? Probably not, but that doesn't somehow negate our ability to do so. Like I admitted, I'm being nitpicky with this, but I just can't help it. The simple truth is that the obsession with classifying sovereign land as merely a "reservation," the fact that almost nobody knows that we even exist, let alone that we exist as a separate and equal people, and that we are more than just a "few hundred people" is a bit demeaning to me. Nobody argues the sovereignty of Canada or Mexico, though they only exist at the good will of the US. Nobody argues that Germany, France, England, Spain, Italy, Sweden, Switzerland and every other European country aren't their own, separate, independent and sovereign countries even though they only exist because of the intervention of the US in WWII and later the graciousness of the US in returning their borders to the prewar lines. And yet, because we constitute such a tiny minority of people, we're treated as an after thought. Perhaps it's not malicious on your part, and I'm sure it isn't, but the fact is that most people still see us as secondary. You see it as reservations, where we see it as our homes, our lives, our heritage and our future. You see us as a tiny group of people dependent on the US to survive, where we see it as a tiny group of people too proud to lie down and die. Our sovereignty is not a right bequeathed to us by others, it is a right inherent to us that is as inalienable as those outlined in the Constitution. We're not just "some people" trying to style ourselves as something greater, rather we're a great people trying to preserve who we are and to remind others that we're still here. Wolfbane Hauler Inc Looking For Combat And Industrial Pilots |
Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
207
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:46:00 -
[296] - Quote
Okay... How hard is it to make a fake twitter account to make someone look bad...
Also not an official witch hunt yet, Ripard-Teg I choose you :D Erotica 1: Scams someone-á-á Ripard: Makes inflamatory blog post that incites eve community and the MMO community-á Sohkar: I wasn't harrased-á-á-á-áCCP: Banned-á-á-á Moral of this story? If you don't want to get banned, don't **** off CSM |
Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
1
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:48:00 -
[297] - Quote
Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Shurgin Ambraelle wrote:Solecist Project's Alt wrote:Is there any proof it was actually him? CCP Falcon posted about this on Page 2 confirming Please don't put words in my mouth, I didn't confirm that it was him. What I can confirm is that the monument has indeed been vandalized, and we're looking into what action we can take, once we confirm who is responsible. Is it something that can be / will be repaired?
I hope so but it looked like stone to me. That is rough!! -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
2283
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:48:00 -
[298] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Defacing property is so much more serious than attempting to end someone's life in the world of goons? I like where this thread has gone. Community outrage --> internet lawyering ---> crimes against humanity and attempted murder ---> Grrr Goons. It always comes back to Grrr Goons.
All that is left is a blog post from Riptard Teg, Goon Spai, and it will be complete. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion |
Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
1
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:50:00 -
[299] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:Why do people take this monument so seriously?
Do they take it personally that the name they typed in for their pixels is somewhere in the real world? Is that a source of pride to some people? If so, wat.
I think they think of this as a thank you gift from CCP. Oh CCP by the way thank you for the Gift. Troll over. -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
208
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:57:00 -
[300] - Quote
Xavier Higdon wrote: Stuff
The Enter key... Please use it, I'm getting a headache reading this
Erotica 1: Scams someone-á-á Ripard: Makes inflamatory blog post that incites eve community and the MMO community-á Sohkar: I wasn't harrased-á-á-á-áCCP: Banned-á-á-á Moral of this story? If you don't want to get banned, don't **** off CSM |
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rswfire
Firesworn Nation
176
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Posted - 2014.05.05 03:57:00 -
[301] - Quote
I had no idea this was up already. That didn't take very long.
On topic, this is pretty sad and definitely juvenile. I liked what The Mittani wrote on Twitter:
Quote:Shameful. I dislike Xenuria, but that's a monument to all of us, not just some of us.
Sums it up quite nicely, really. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA19hTm8O2Y http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/ |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5251
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Posted - 2014.05.05 04:08:00 -
[302] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:If I had been the victim of one of the worst forms of an abhorrent crime in real life, I'm not sure how I would feel having my name (even a gaming name), on anything, alongside someone who has a reputation in the community for connection with those things (rightly or wrongly).
Are you claiming that Xenuria committed some abhorrent crime in real life?
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
208
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Posted - 2014.05.05 04:11:00 -
[303] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:If I had been the victim of one of the worst forms of an abhorrent crime in real life, I'm not sure how I would feel having my name (even a gaming name), on anything, alongside someone who has a reputation in the community for connection with those things (rightly or wrongly). Are you claiming that Xenuria committed some abhorrent crime in real life?
Sounds like he is, and he was about to provide all the proof he has to confirm it, Right? Erotica 1: Scams someone-á-á Ripard: Makes inflamatory blog post that incites eve community and the MMO community-á Sohkar: I wasn't harrased-á-á-á-áCCP: Banned-á-á-á Moral of this story? If you don't want to get banned, don't **** off CSM |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9538
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Posted - 2014.05.05 04:20:00 -
[304] - Quote
I heard Xenuria tortures Furbies. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Karen Avioras
Unsung Heroes The Volition Cult
532
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Posted - 2014.05.05 04:21:00 -
[305] - Quote
Wow. That is really low. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
432
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Posted - 2014.05.05 04:25:00 -
[306] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I hate to cherrypick you, but this statement coming from someone who has taken the position that a group of a few hundred people constitute a country is fairly ironic.
This might be a point... if there were only a few hundred of us.
Grand total the Seneca come to something like 25k people. More when you get into 'unregistered' natives and sub groups like the Minqua. You're looking at several million factoring in the League. (The Western Door isn't just the name of our franchise of steak houses)
James Amril-Kesh wrote:I heard Xenuria tortures Furbies.
You say that like it's a bad thing. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1432
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Posted - 2014.05.05 04:31:00 -
[307] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:If I had been the victim of one of the worst forms of an abhorrent crime in real life, I'm not sure how I would feel having my name (even a gaming name), on anything, alongside someone who has a reputation in the community for connection with those things (rightly or wrongly). Are you claiming that Xenuria committed some abhorrent crime in real life? No, not at all.
I was saying, it's difficult to judge the person who did this without the facts, even though we can all hate the act and see permanent ban as the appropriate outcome.
People do stupid and dumb things. Even people who later regret their actions. Calling the person scum, etc. doesn't serve much purpose. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1432
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Posted - 2014.05.05 04:35:00 -
[308] - Quote
Asia Leigh wrote:Sounds like he is, and he was about to provide all the proof he has to confirm it, Right? You are wrong if that's what you believe I was saying. Go back and read my early posts in this thread.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9540
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Posted - 2014.05.05 04:38:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:You say that like it's a bad thing. Some even said he tortures chia pets. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10616
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Posted - 2014.05.05 04:39:00 -
[310] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:No, not at all.
I was saying, it's difficult to judge the person who did this without the facts, even though we can all hate the act and see permanent ban as the appropriate outcome.
People do stupid and dumb things. Even people who later regret their actions. Calling the person scum, etc. doesn't serve much purpose.
yo let's not pretend that the guy who did this was doing it in protest of being listed alongside somebody merely rumored to have done a bad after choosing to gloat about it on twitter Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9540
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Posted - 2014.05.05 04:43:00 -
[311] - Quote
Yeah, the twitter message wasn't exactly "you did something despicable and this is my revenge," just more of "we don't like you and I thought this would be funny." "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Doreen Kaundur
5
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Posted - 2014.05.05 04:43:00 -
[312] - Quote
TL;DR : People suck.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1434
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Posted - 2014.05.05 04:47:00 -
[313] - Quote
Andski wrote:[quote=Scipio Artelius]yo let's not pretend that the guy who did this was doing it in protest of being listed alongside somebody merely rumored to have done a bad after choosing to gloat about it on twitter
Yo, I'm not pretending anything, but neither am I presuming anything about the person, even though I hope they are identified, banned and costs to repair the monument are recovered from them.
They could very well be... ah who cares. Take my statements however you like. Extreme judgements in our community help fuel controversy.
It was clearly a Goon and you are all the same. End of/. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
179
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Posted - 2014.05.05 04:54:00 -
[314] - Quote
I've never used twitter or referred to it from my blog.
I haven't been in Fanfest, and CCP could see that I logged in my usual times, doing my usual things all weekend from my usual IP (Hungary, 2000km away).
Who is Xenuria? My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com |
Garia666
CyberShield Inc Triumvirate.
75
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Posted - 2014.05.05 04:55:00 -
[315] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:We're well aware of this, and are dealing with the situation as we speak. Frankly, on a personal note, I find this absolutely disgusting and completely detrimental to the EVE Community's close knit spirit. We'll have more information tomorrow afternoon/evening regarding this. Really sorry that this has happened guys
I think you are very ignorant if you didn't expect something like this to happen.
ppl destroy wwII monuments, graves, any other monument.. now you can harm the name you dislike.
what do you expect..
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2327
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Posted - 2014.05.05 04:55:00 -
[316] - Quote
Andski wrote:hisec needs another good flogging from the looks of it
This is one of my favourite things about goons, whatever happens, their collective ego demands that they put themselves at the centre of it. This is not a signature. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
433
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Posted - 2014.05.05 05:01:00 -
[317] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote: It was clearly a Goon and you are all the same. End of/.
IF it did turn out to be a goon, the forum would probably break from all the sudden 180's from posters. |
Lady Areola Fappington
new order logistics CODE.
1738
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Posted - 2014.05.05 05:04:00 -
[318] - Quote
This is kind of sad. Leave the game in game, and don't be a twit RL.
CCP, I'd recommend you guys seal the surface of those name plates with some big sheets of clear plexiglass or equiv. Pretty sure a clear sheet of plastic will be cheaper to replace than one of those name plates, the next time one of the mental midgets gets a Bright Idea. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1434
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Posted - 2014.05.05 05:06:00 -
[319] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote: It was clearly a Goon and you are all the same. End of/.
IF it did turn out to be a goon, the forum would probably break from all the sudden 180's from posters. As long as you were able to recognise that my remark was sarcastic, then sure, I totally agree - though the actions of a single person don't reflect on the character or actions of the group as a whole.
However, if you thought that was a statement of my true opinion. It wasn't. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
25145
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Posted - 2014.05.05 05:11:00 -
[320] - Quote
Wow, that is... kinda shameful... and worrisome.
I mean, I myself often joke about the fact that EVE is a cestpool of villany, a playground for sociopaths, and all that, but I actually didn't believe people would be like that IRL, be they Goons, NO or whatever group/mindset ingame...
Sad... "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
433
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Posted - 2014.05.05 05:19:00 -
[321] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote: As long as you were able to recognise that my remark was sarcastic, then sure, I totally agree - though the actions of a single person don't reflect on the character or actions of the group as a whole.
However, if you thought that was a statement of my true opinion. It wasn't.
I'm aware it was sarcasm, however, mine wasn't.
The typical reaction would be to abruptly close ranks and keep repeating the official alliance line, whatever it might be, and to troll anyone who pointed out that they had just been screaming for the culprits blood. There might be an apology trotted out and the person involved might quietly be demoted or tossed from the alliance.
This would not even be unique to goons. Just about every alliance in game more or less responds the same way.
It would be hilarious if it was though. I'd love to watch all of them suddenly backpedal when their bosses jerk the leash.
Shalua Rui wrote:Wow, that is... kinda shameful... and worrisome. I mean, I myself often joke about the fact that EVE is a cestpool of villany, a playground for sociopaths, and all that, but I actually didn't believe people would be like that IRL, be they Goons, NO or whatever group/mindset ingame... Sad...
You have to understand that the internet is all the garbage under the skin of civility that society forces on people. If you want to see how people really are, what really goes on in their heads, without an inhibition, look around these forums.
I'd have no problem believing someone would totally demolish the monument. Because that's who some of our fellow players really are when you get down to it. |
Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
1
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Posted - 2014.05.05 05:31:00 -
[322] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:I've never used twitter or referred to it from my blog.
I haven't been in Fanfest, and CCP could see that I logged in my usual times, doing my usual things all weekend from my usual IP (Hungary, 2000km away).
Who is Xenuria?
Gevlon Thank you for actually posting in this thread. Obviously innocent until proven guilty is the case here and like some people I have made a snap judgement on this. If you did not do this then I hope they find who did as this is slander to you. Either way I forsee someone getting banned.
Place your bets on where they were from. -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
1
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Posted - 2014.05.05 05:32:00 -
[323] - Quote
Shurgin Ambraelle wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:I've never used twitter or referred to it from my blog.
I haven't been in Fanfest, and CCP could see that I logged in my usual times, doing my usual things all weekend from my usual IP (Hungary, 2000km away).
Who is Xenuria? Gevlon Thank you for actually posting in this thread. Obviously innocent until proven guilty is the case here and like some people I have made a snap judgement on this. If you did not do this then I hope they find who did as this is slander to you. Either way I forsee someone getting banned. Place your bets on where they were from.
DO you have an alt Gevlon? I saw Gevlon and Gevlon Goblin. -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10617
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Posted - 2014.05.05 05:36:00 -
[324] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:I'm aware it was sarcasm, however, mine wasn't.
The typical reaction would be to abruptly close ranks and keep repeating the official alliance line, whatever it might be, and to troll anyone who pointed out that they had just been screaming for the culprits blood. There might be an apology trotted out and the person involved might quietly be demoted or tossed from the alliance.
This would not even be unique to goons. Just about every alliance in game more or less responds the same way.
It would be hilarious if it was though. I'd love to watch all of them suddenly backpedal when their bosses jerk the leash.
yeah no this isn't actually true Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9542
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Posted - 2014.05.05 05:43:00 -
[325] - Quote
You forget that we weren't so shy about casting someone else out. Someone who was so recently involved in a scandal of their own. Or maybe you didn't realize that Erotica 1 was also beancounter jaynara who was in GSF until he bragged about his little games and got himself ejected from the CFC. I think if you look back there's never a point where we tried to hide that he had been in GSF. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Oxide Ammar
107
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:08:00 -
[326] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:We're well aware of this, and are dealing with the situation as we speak. Frankly, on a personal note, I find this absolutely disgusting and completely detrimental to the EVE Community's close knit spirit. We'll have more information tomorrow afternoon/evening regarding this. Really sorry that this has happened guys
What did you really expect ? you lured all psychopaths and lunatics in one sand box MMO game..you were expecting ppl shooting roses at each other ? |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
25157
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:15:00 -
[327] - Quote
Oxide Ammar wrote:What did you really expect ? you lured all psychopaths and lunatics in one sand box MMO game..you were expecting ppl shooting roses at each other ? Not an invalid argument, CCP has made it abundantly clear what types of players are trying to attract, but still: It's a GAME... "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |
Oxide Ammar
107
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:25:00 -
[328] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Shurgin Ambraelle wrote:Solecist Project's Alt wrote:Is there any proof it was actually him? CCP Falcon posted about this on Page 2 confirming Please don't put words in my mouth, I didn't confirm that it was him. What I can confirm is that the monument has indeed been vandalized, and we're looking into what action we can take, once we confirm who is responsible. Is it something that can be / will be repaired? Yeah, but we'll have to replace the plate that the name is on, most likely. We're looking into it at present, more details when I have them
Make sure to manufacture extra copies of the name plates, expect this to be vandalism every Fanfest when someone wants to take revenge in childish way like this. |
Viceran Phaedra
Instar Heavy Industries
57
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:45:00 -
[329] - Quote
Disgusting.
You are always accountable for your actions in real life, no matter the cause. You always have the choice to respect other people and their property. For most it is an easy choice to make.
I cannot speak for anyone else, but as a member of the EVE Community, it is personaly insulting that you would willingly deface a physical celebration of something that many of us are proud to be a part of. __________________ Chief Executive Officer Instar Heavy Industries |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
244
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:48:00 -
[330] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:This is kind of sad. Leave the game in game, and don't be a twit RL.
CCP, I'd recommend you guys seal the surface of those name plates with some big sheets of clear plexiglass or equiv. Pretty sure a clear sheet of plastic will be cheaper to replace than one of those name plates, the next time one of the mental midgets gets a Bright Idea.
Unless I remember it wrong there are some materials on the market that actually resist both paints and scratches that are designed specifically with vandalism in mind.
Such as http://www.nanocare.fi/plexi-clean.htm that resists oil, water, particles, etc. |
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Xolve
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2423
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:51:00 -
[331] - Quote
Even if he didn't do it, there really is no downside to banning Gevlon from the EVE Community. |
Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
209
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:55:00 -
[332] - Quote
Viceran Phaedra wrote:Disgusting.
You are always accountable for your actions in real life, no matter the cause. You always have the choice to respect other people and their property. For most it is an easy choice to make.
I cannot speak for anyone else, but as a member of the EVE Community, it is personaly insulting that you would willingly deface a physical celebration of something that many of us are proud to be a part of.
I'm not defending anyone, and the person or persons involved should be punished and restitution should be made. Just make sure the person you are blaming is actually guilty and not a victim of impersonation before starting the witch hunt, k?
Erotica 1: Scams someone-á-á Ripard: Makes inflamatory blog post that incites eve community and the MMO community-á Sohkar: I wasn't harrased-á-á-á-áCCP: Banned-á-á-á Moral of this story? If you don't want to get banned, don't **** off CSM |
Dave Stark
5270
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:55:00 -
[333] - Quote
Xolve wrote:Even if he didn't do it, there really is no downside to banning Gevlon from the EVE Community.
there is a downside.
gevlon is like that friend you keep on facebook, you know, the one who's page you visit when you're having a bad day. the friend who reminds you that you life could be worse, you could be him. |
Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
209
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:56:00 -
[334] - Quote
Xolve wrote:Even if he didn't do it, there really is no downside to banning Gevlon from the EVE Community.
Never heard of him, probably before my time...
Erotica 1: Scams someone-á-á Ripard: Makes inflamatory blog post that incites eve community and the MMO community-á Sohkar: I wasn't harrased-á-á-á-áCCP: Banned-á-á-á Moral of this story? If you don't want to get banned, don't **** off CSM |
Viceran Phaedra
Instar Heavy Industries
57
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Posted - 2014.05.05 07:10:00 -
[335] - Quote
Asia Leigh wrote:Viceran Phaedra wrote:Disgusting.
You are always accountable for your actions in real life, no matter the cause. You always have the choice to respect other people and their property. For most it is an easy choice to make.
I cannot speak for anyone else, but as a member of the EVE Community, it is personaly insulting that you would willingly deface a physical celebration of something that many of us are proud to be a part of. I'm not defending anyone, and the person or persons involved should be punished and restitution should be made. Just make sure the person you are blaming is actually guilty and not a victim of impersonation before starting the witch hunt, k?
Absolutely. Didn't name a name, and I have no idea who it could be. This is generalised affront at the offence itself. Original post edited. __________________ Chief Executive Officer Instar Heavy Industries |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
1166
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Posted - 2014.05.05 07:15:00 -
[336] - Quote
Whoever did this needs help. Normal people would just vandalise Xenuria's internet spaceships. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
George Gouillot
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
14
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Posted - 2014.05.05 07:34:00 -
[337] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:I've never used twitter or referred to it from my blog.
I haven't been in Fanfest, and CCP could see that I logged in my usual times, doing my usual things all weekend from my usual IP (Hungary, 2000km away).
Who is Xenuria?
You cannot prove that there was no WH connection from Hungary to Iceland at that date ... |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
17198
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Posted - 2014.05.05 07:38:00 -
[338] - Quote
Well that is rather distasteful, much like the young cretins that think running a key down the side of your new car is OK.
There are RL moral boundaries most people have no issues with, but it's sad to see some are blind to them. It's not an indication of the game per se, for this occurs throughout RL in many forms. But it sure does shine a bad light upon us all.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
436
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Posted - 2014.05.05 07:41:00 -
[339] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Cygnet, you forget that we weren't so shy about casting someone else out. Someone who was so recently involved in a scandal of their own. Or maybe you didn't realize that Erotica 1 was also beancounter jaynara who was in GSF until he bragged about his little games and got himself ejected from the CFC. There was never a point where anyone tried to hide that he had been in GSF, in fact quite the opposite.
You might get a laugh, but I missed the entire Erotica thing, and am sort of glad I did. What little I've heard sounds entirely sordid, and frankly, and I grant this is based on very incomplete information, I'm sure, GSF needs to take a long hard look at the sort of people it's attracting.
I can remember a time, a very long time ago now, it seems, that goons were respected instead of reviled. That the arrival of goons in system was seen as a positive thing. However, most of those goons, the few that I knew, have long since left Eve. |
Dave Stark
5274
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Posted - 2014.05.05 07:50:00 -
[340] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:I can remember a time, a very long time ago now, it seems, that goons were respected instead of reviled. That the arrival of goons in system was seen as a positive thing. However, most of those goons, the few that I knew, have long since left Eve.
obligatory batman quote; you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. |
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
952
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Posted - 2014.05.05 08:54:00 -
[341] - Quote
Gevlon Goblin wrote:I've never used twitter or referred to it from my blog.
I haven't been in Fanfest, and CCP could see that I logged in my usual times, doing my usual things all weekend from my usual IP (Hungary, 2000km away).
Who is Xenuria?
We knew it wasn't you because there is no blog post with a graph showing your pocket knifes effective monument defacing rate per hour vs the goons ineffective sticker monument defacing rate per hour, showing how much more damage to CCPs killboard, errr external building maintenance and gardening budget you were doing.
Xenuria used to shiptoast a few years ago, and I believe wanted a CSM seat or got one, I can't remember anymore. |
JC Anderson
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1073
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:13:00 -
[342] - Quote
To the idiot who actually did this - "Thanks for helping to validate the outside belief that all of us EVE players are assholes you moron."
I also hope that you are only 8 years old so that we can at least have some sort of explanation for your actions. Either that, or that you are suffering from some sort of brain deficiency. |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3011
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:27:00 -
[343] - Quote
Removed some off topic posts. I'd also like to remind people to keep it civil, even if they vehemently disagree with the actions of one person. Thank you. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Luscius Uta
80
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:30:00 -
[344] - Quote
Gevlon is a tool, but I just *know* that he couldn't possibly be responsible for this. While I don't know what were the motives behind this despicable action, whoever did this wanted to frame Gevlon because nobody likes him and won't stand up for him, which makes him the perfect scapegoat. Highsec is for casuals. |
JC Anderson
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1073
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:34:00 -
[345] - Quote
Luscius Uta wrote:Gevlon is a tool, but I just *know* that he couldn't possibly be responsible for this. While I don't know what were the motives behind this despicable action, whoever did this wanted to frame Gevlon because nobody likes him and won't stand up for him, which makes him the perfect scapegoat.
Agree with you there.
Despite the fact that I am not at all fond of the man, I will at least say that he isn't stupid enough to do this and then run and take responsibility for it in a tweet. |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Shadow Cartel
697
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:38:00 -
[346] - Quote
As much as I personally think Gelvon is a pretentious carebear with no knowledge about anything except hoarding isk and gold with a personal grudge against Goons that could border on the edges of psychotic, I seriously doubt that twitter account is the real Gelvon.
It's a new twitter. And I don't think even Gelvon would be dumb enough to self incriminate himself on something as lowly an act as this. Irregardless of WHAT you think of a player, an organization, a group, coalition, leader, whatever it gives no one here clairvoyance to deface a monument gifted to the players by CCP commemorating a universe each and every one of us has had a hand in creating in some form or fashion.
In other words, grow the F&^# up. I'd expect this sort of behavior at a Call of Duty gathering, or some other game where the lowest common denominator of humanity happen to sit in front of a screen and play something. Eve as a whole is at least a cut above the rest in it's inherent difficulty, challenges, risks, and playstyle and I'd hope that it's players are a cut above your average ***** flinging virtual neanderthal.
Have some respect for each other. I just dropped 125 USD on an Eve Vegas ticket to be a part of some awesome friends and an awesome community of players. I really hope CCP finds this guy. And I hope the rest of us can use this as a catalyst to treat each other with more respect regardless of what we do in game.
Visit my blog for all the latest in jeers and tears as well as news at http://hoistthecolors.org |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3230
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:43:00 -
[347] - Quote
This one time I ran this huge technology company (the biggest in the nation, really) and spent a few million on some big monument, and then I didn't put a security camera on it when I invited a pack of basement dwelling neckbeards to visit my otherwise super-civil country. Because I'm an idiot.
True story. |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
25172
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:46:00 -
[348] - Quote
Blaming the victim already, after only 16 pages? That was quick... "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |
Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
146
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:48:00 -
[349] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote: It was clearly a Goon and you are all the same. End of/.
IF it did turn out to be a goon, the forum would probably break from all the sudden 180's from posters.
If it did turn out to be a goon, I hope they enjoy their hellpurge. We're all pretty disgusted by this. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3230
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:49:00 -
[350] - Quote
Shalua Rui wrote:Blaming the victim already, after only 16 pages? That was quick... Nah. F*** whoever did this, obviously. I just think this cute Icelandic company is a little shy when it comes to firing incompetent natives.
But whatever. It's a different country. It a better country, imho (than mine). I'm just giving CCP s***. It's all good.
Oh... and F*** whoever locked my sig. That was gold. That's some hateful retribution smack CCP. |
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Jake Rivers
Senex Legio
207
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:52:00 -
[351] - Quote
Defacing that monument was really ****** up, hope CCP can figure out who the culprit is and have them hung by there balls. It is public property as CCP donated the monument to the city I do believe, but private or public does not give anyone the right to do what they did.
I will be checking it out again in a few days before I head back to Canada, seems we need to take photo's of a few names for corp mates, lol. Senex Legio |
Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
1
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:55:00 -
[352] - Quote
[Who is Xenuria?[/quote]
Isn't this the clown who wanted a GM seat and got booted for something on their blog or was it a questionable hacker? Either way they were a no go. -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
1
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:56:00 -
[353] - Quote
Jake Rivers wrote:Defacing that monument was really ****** up, hope CCP can figure out who the culprit is and have them hung by there balls. It is public property as CCP donated the monument to the city I do believe, but private or public does not give anyone the right to do what they did.
I will be checking it out again in a few days before I head back to Canada, seems we need to take photo's of a few names for corp mates, lol.
He said balls -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
2
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:57:00 -
[354] - Quote
Jake Rivers wrote:Defacing that monument was really ****** up, hope CCP can figure out who the culprit is and have them hung by there balls. It is public property as CCP donated the monument to the city I do believe, but private or public does not give anyone the right to do what they did.
I will be checking it out again in a few days before I head back to Canada, seems we need to take photo's of a few names for corp mates, lol.
Will give you some isk if you can send a photo of mine. I am in US and can't get out there since I am perma jammed by my wife. -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1044
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:17:00 -
[355] - Quote
Xaerael Endiel wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote: It was clearly a Goon and you are all the same. End of/.
IF it did turn out to be a goon, the forum would probably break from all the sudden 180's from posters. If it did turn out to be a goon, I hope they enjoy their hellpurge. We're all pretty disgusted by this. On balance, it probably was a goon although clearly not an intelligent one and you will be better off without them anyway. For instance, it would have been much more sensible to choose either The Mittani or Mynnna to frame Goblin, although a goon would be unlikely to actually deface those ones. But as one of your number posted earlier, the leadership should not be held accountable for the actions of a deranged individual.
Having said all that, it was probably a highsec solo competitor industrialist trying to get Gevlon banned! Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1712
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:35:00 -
[356] - Quote
It was an idiot. Inconsiderate idiot.
It doesn't matter what logo his/her "show info" window displays in-game.
Also what doesn't matter are his/her motives for committing this act of vandalism.
Nothing, NOTHING happening in-game justifies taking a sh!t on somebody else's property in real world. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Pubbie Spy
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:41:00 -
[357] - Quote
Schmata Bastanold wrote:It was an idiot. Inconsiderate idiot.
It doesn't matter what logo his/her "show info" window displays in-game.
Also what doesn't matter are his/her motives for committing this act of vandalism.
Nothing, NOTHING happening in-game justifies taking a sh!t on somebody else's property in real world.
Well there was that Russian who wanted to cut the power to a Titan pilot's house... |
JC Anderson
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1076
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:52:00 -
[358] - Quote
Pubbie Spy wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:It was an idiot. Inconsiderate idiot.
It doesn't matter what logo his/her "show info" window displays in-game.
Also what doesn't matter are his/her motives for committing this act of vandalism.
Nothing, NOTHING happening in-game justifies taking a sh!t on somebody else's property in real world. Well there was that Russian who wanted to cut the power to a Titan pilot's house...
Yeah it was a Red Alliance dude. The Titan pilot was The Enslaver. |
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
19520
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Posted - 2014.05.05 10:57:00 -
[359] - Quote
Dixxon Harass wrote:What a despicable act. Make that soab pay and ban him from this game. not far from what he deserves... Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase
I like to gank it, gank it!
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Oxide Ammar
108
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:13:00 -
[360] - Quote
Pubbie Spy wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:It was an idiot. Inconsiderate idiot.
It doesn't matter what logo his/her "show info" window displays in-game.
Also what doesn't matter are his/her motives for committing this act of vandalism.
Nothing, NOTHING happening in-game justifies taking a sh!t on somebody else's property in real world. Well there was that Russian who wanted to cut the power to a Titan pilot's house...
Wait ..wait ...WHAT? OMG when did this happened ? |
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1714
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:16:00 -
[361] - Quote
Oxide Ammar wrote:Pubbie Spy wrote: Well there was that Russian who wanted to cut the power to a Titan pilot's house...
Wait ..wait ...WHAT? OMG when did this happened ?
Here I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
JC Anderson
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1076
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:17:00 -
[362] - Quote
Oxide Ammar wrote:Pubbie Spy wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:It was an idiot. Inconsiderate idiot.
It doesn't matter what logo his/her "show info" window displays in-game.
Also what doesn't matter are his/her motives for committing this act of vandalism.
Nothing, NOTHING happening in-game justifies taking a sh!t on somebody else's property in real world. Well there was that Russian who wanted to cut the power to a Titan pilot's house... Wait ..wait ...WHAT? OMG when did this happened ?
That was like 06/07 when the RA guy did that if I remember correctly.
I was around for it but could be a bit off on the date due to how long ago that was.
Edit: Looks like above poster found it.
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Talon SilverHawk
Ronin Cartel The G0dfathers
665
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:21:00 -
[363] - Quote
HeXxploiT wrote:I find this thread laughable. I mean seriously I laughed out loud. People that spend all day on internet forums flaming others telling other people they ought to be ashamed of themselves for their behavior.
I am quite LITERALLY ******* laughing right now...
Really, you don't see a difference ?
Tal
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1295
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:35:00 -
[364] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Shurgin Ambraelle wrote:Solecist Project's Alt wrote:Is there any proof it was actually him? CCP Falcon posted about this on Page 2 confirming Please don't put words in my mouth, I didn't confirm that it was him. What I can confirm is that the monument has indeed been vandalized, and we're looking into what action we can take, once we confirm who is responsible. I'm not really a fan of modern art, but it looked ok I guess for a statue type thing hope the repair bill isn't too bad
it's criminal damage dunno what Icelandic law has to say about that.
your suspect list is - fanfest attendee - local Icelander
proving anything will be the really hard part.
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Gregor Parud
479
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:53:00 -
[365] - Quote
So, given Xenuria's thirst for drama and attention; what are the chances he did it himself? |
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CCP Falcon
6710
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:00:00 -
[366] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:So, given Xenuria's thirst for drama and attention; what are the chances he did it himself?
He'd have to have pretty long arms considering he's from the US, and isn't in Iceland.
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:03:00 -
[367] - Quote
So, there's a couple of things going to happen in this thread right now:
- First - People are going to stop pointing fingers and blaming people. CCP will investigate and take any action against game accounts, along with any legal action that we feel necessary. This is already in progress.
- Second - This is damage of public property in the City of Reykjavik. The police have been informed, and investigation is ongoing. This is not a laughing matter, and will be dealt with as a criminal offence. We are currently reviewing security footage from a number of surrounding buildings.
- Third - People will stop attacking the victim of this on our forums. It's not funny, it's not clever. Take your rumor mongering and personal attacks away from our community. If you choose not to, you'll be removed from the community, permanently. It's a simple as that. We will not tolerate victimization.
What's happened is absolutely disgusting. It's an insult to the entire community and is clearly the work a person who believes that behavior in a virtual world is a valid reason to make a real life personal attack on someone, and deface public property.
We will not tolerate this.
Thankfully we've already had a number of players come forward to assist us and provide information. Including, we believe, members of the person's own alliance.
Thankfully the vast majority of the rest of the community are in the same frame of mind as CCP - disgusted at the fact that someone would do this, and we're extremely grateful for your assistance.
With that in mind, I'll make a simple one time offer, that if the person who defaced the monument wants to come forward and contact me relating to this, then they can do so by EVE mailing my Dev character. If this happens, we'll take it as a gesture of good faith after an extremely stupid act that was committed.
With this in mind, be sure to keep this thread on topic, and cut out the personal attacks and finger pointing. People who break the rules will lose their forum posting privileges. Permanently.
Thanks.
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
10
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:04:00 -
[368] - Quote
Looks like the monument needs a guard. A CCP Guard. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1209
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:08:00 -
[369] - Quote
really happy to hear this is being resolved,
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Major 'Revolver' Ocelot
GRU Special Forces
234
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:08:00 -
[370] - Quote
I'm surprised everyone is surprised something like this happened. Honestly I expected graffiti or something. I imagine it's going to be worse come fanfest when everyone has had a drink.
Hopefully they have someone look after it for the duration. I love to reload during a battle... There's nothing like the feeling of slamming a long silver missile, into a well greased chamber... |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
2067
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:16:00 -
[371] - Quote
Major 'Revolver' Ocelot wrote:I'm surprised everyone is surprised something like this happened. Honestly I expected graffiti or something. I imagine it's going to be worse come fanfest when everyone has had a drink.
Hopefully they have someone look after it for the duration.
Fanfest just finished buddy! CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
747
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:18:00 -
[372] - Quote
Name and shame required Falcon.
Don't let me down! Not today spaghetti. |
JC Anderson
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1077
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:18:00 -
[373] - Quote
Major 'Revolver' Ocelot wrote:I'm surprised everyone is surprised something like this happened. Honestly I expected graffiti or something. I imagine it's going to be worse come fanfest when everyone has had a drink.
Hopefully they have someone look after it for the duration.
At least if it was graffiti it could be cleaned off.
Sadly the vandal chose a more permanent method. :( |
Norian Lonark
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
126
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:19:00 -
[374] - Quote
Great that this is being handled by police. Why anyone feels they have the right to deface the property of others is beyond me, disgusting act of vandalism. _____________________________________ Start wide, expand further, and never look back
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Oxide Ammar
109
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:20:00 -
[375] - Quote
Add gate turrets around the Monument, and they will tear up anyone agress the Monument...problem solved. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1210
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:21:00 -
[376] - Quote
Sexy Cakes wrote:Name and shame required Falcon.
Don't let me down! absolutely not, for obvious pitchfork wielding reasons reasons. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á Soylent Green Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Lady Areola Fappington
new order logistics CODE.
1739
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:21:00 -
[377] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:So, there's a couple of things going to happen in this thread right now:
- First - People are going to stop pointing fingers and blaming people. CCP will investigate and take any action against game accounts, along with any legal action that we feel necessary. This is already in progress.
- Second - This is damage of public property in the City of Reykjavik. The police have been informed, and investigation is ongoing. This is not a laughing matter, and will be dealt with as a criminal offence. We are currently reviewing security footage from a number of surrounding buildings.
- Third - People will stop attacking the victim of this on our forums. It's not funny, it's not clever. Take your rumor mongering and personal attacks away from our community. If you choose not to, you'll be removed from the community, permanently. It's a simple as that. We will not tolerate victimization.
What's happened is absolutely disgusting. It's an insult to the entire community and is clearly the work a person who believes that behavior in a virtual world is a valid reason to make a real life personal attack on someone, and deface public property. We will not tolerate this. Thankfully we've already had a number of players come forward to assist us and provide information. Including, we believe, members of the person's own alliance. Thankfully the vast majority of the rest of the community are in the same frame of mind as CCP - disgusted at the fact that someone would do this, and we're extremely grateful for your assistance. With that in mind, I'll make a simple one time offer, that if the person who defaced the monument wants to come forward and contact me relating to this, then they can do so by EVE mailing my Dev character. If this happens, we'll take it as a gesture of good faith after an extremely stupid act that was committed. With this in mind, be sure to keep this thread on topic, and cut out the personal attacks and finger pointing. People who break the rules will lose their forum posting privileges. Permanently. Thanks.
Seriously Falcon bro, cover those names up with a clear protector. We both know it'll happen again, sadly enough. If I was a fanfest I'd do it for you myself, for free!
Stealing the idea from my local graveyard maint. guys, in fact. They've started sealing text on grave markers with plexi, coz dimbulbs have been defacing headstone test for lulz.
The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1210
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:24:00 -
[378] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote: Stealing the idea from my local graveyard maint. guys, in fact. They've started sealing text on grave markers with plexi, coz dimbulbs have been defacing headstone test for lulz.
now that is something Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á Soylent Green Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Advanced Amateurs
1280
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:26:00 -
[379] - Quote
I don't think that I know any artpiece in a public space, which has not been modified or vandalized at some point. |
Dave Stark
5280
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:27:00 -
[380] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Thankfully we've already had a number of players come forward to assist us and provide information. Including, we believe, members of the person's own alliance.
wow, you know you've ****** up when your in-game buddies throw you to the wolves. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1257
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:28:00 -
[381] - Quote
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:I don't think that I know any artpiece in a public space, which has not been modified or vandalized at some point. I know quite a few actually.
That said, I have removed some rule breaking posts. The Rules: 30. Abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers is prohibited.
CCP operate a zero tolerance policy on abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers. This includes but is not limited to personal attacks, trolling, GÇ£outingGÇ¥ of CCP employee or ISD volunteer player identities, and the use of any former player identities when referring to the aforementioned parties. Our forums are designed to be a place where players and developers can exchange ideas in a polite and friendly manner for the betterment of EVE Online. Players who attack or abuse employees of CCP, or ISD volunteers, will be permanently banned from the EVE Online forums across all their accounts with no recourse, and may also be subject to action against their game accounts.
ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1223
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:34:00 -
[382] - Quote
JC Anderson wrote:Major 'Revolver' Ocelot wrote:I'm surprised everyone is surprised something like this happened. Honestly I expected graffiti or something. I imagine it's going to be worse come fanfest when everyone has had a drink.
Hopefully they have someone look after it for the duration. At least if it was graffiti it could be cleaned off. Sadly the vandal chose a more permanent method. :(
There must be someone who can do restoration, I doubt they are going to leave it damaged.
Anyway looks like the person who did it couldn't keep their mouth shut, and good old fashion snitching still works. |
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
332
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:36:00 -
[383] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:With that in mind, I'll make a simple one time offer, that if the person who defaced the monument wants to come forward and contact me relating to this, then they can do so by EVE mailing my Dev character. If this happens, we'll take it as a gesture of good faith after an extremely stupid act that was committed.
Well, that's certainly your prerogative and not something I'd consider for even a nanosecond.
The thing is, if you're not going to treat this as the red line the crossing of which means an instant and permanent ban for the person responsible, which line will you use? |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
831
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:42:00 -
[384] - Quote
I think there is a lesson in all of this horribleness.
Hate is an emotion we all have but letting it take control, clouding judgment and shutting down any remote chance of rational thinking is not ok. Despite what some will say I know a great deal about emotions and feelings. I have learned which are constructive and which are counterproductive.
Hate as an emotion can literally hijack your brain and make you do stupid things, horrible things. No matter how much you dislike somebody or their ideas you should never let that devolve into hate. This isn't just me saying this either, there is a strong scientific backing to what I am saying.
EvE Online is a Game. There are plenty of people that I dislike in the context of the game but I would never wish violence upon them or their properties. I would certainly never desire to damage an art installation in efforts to spite them. This is the difference between rational thinking and blind hate.
Even if you don't agree with anything I stand for or have any appreciation for me as a player, remember that we all make EvE what it is. Every single one of us IS EvE. CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
JC Anderson
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1077
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:43:00 -
[385] - Quote
Sirinda wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:With that in mind, I'll make a simple one time offer, that if the person who defaced the monument wants to come forward and contact me relating to this, then they can do so by EVE mailing my Dev character. If this happens, we'll take it as a gesture of good faith after an extremely stupid act that was committed. Well, that's certainly your prerogative and not something I'd consider for even a nanosecond. The thing is, if you're not going to treat this as the red line the crossing of which means an instant and permanent ban for the person responsible, which line will you use?
I have a feeling he meant they wouldn't bring the police any further into all of this if the person came forward on their own. Doubt a ban can be avoided in this case. |
Darkblad
Hilfe is like Free Entertainment
210
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:44:00 -
[386] - Quote
Sirinda wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:With that in mind, I'll make a simple one time offer, that if the person who defaced the monument wants to come forward and contact me relating to this, then they can do so by EVE mailing my Dev character. If this happens, we'll take it as a gesture of good faith after an extremely stupid act that was committed. Well, that's certainly your prerogative and not something I'd consider for even a nanosecond. The thing is, if you're not going to treat this as the red line the crossing of which means an instant and permanent ban for the person responsible, which line will you use? Falcon didn't go into details about what impact this would have on the penalties (and I think we shouldn't guess here). To offer the person responsive for all this the opportunity to show some sense of guilt doesn't really make it less clear that the red line is drawn and was crossed here. EVE Infolinks -+-áOld and new-áPortraits |
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
332
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:47:00 -
[387] - Quote
Fair enough. |
NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
836
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:49:00 -
[388] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote: Stealing the idea from my local graveyard maint. guys, in fact. They've started sealing text on grave markers with plexi, coz dimbulbs have been defacing headstone test for lulz.
now that is something I was surprised by the lack of that I was expecting at least a thin clear coat just to keep the pain in But seriously? At least the Goon decal got removed quickly and was done for laughs (How did they get that on there?) |
Edward Olmops
Sirius Fleet
155
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:15:00 -
[389] - Quote
Well... maybe the community can help in this case?
"monument name finder - beta*" wrote: Character name 'Xenuria' was found on plate row 3 and column 10.
Anyone looked his/her name up on the monument on that or adjacent squares? Maybe somebody has seen something (scratches already in place/scratches NOT there/someone sneaking around). I was there on day -1 (some time after the unveiling), but did only search for names in different places... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9549
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:24:00 -
[390] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:I think there is a lesson in all of this horribleness.
Hate is an emotion we all have but letting it take control, clouding judgment and shutting down any remote chance of rational thinking is not ok. Despite what some will say I know a great deal about emotions and feelings. I have learned which are constructive and which are counterproductive.
Hate as an emotion can literally hijack your brain and make you do stupid things, horrible things. No matter how much you dislike somebody or their ideas you should never let that devolve into hate. This isn't just me saying this either, there is a strong scientific backing to what I am saying.
EvE Online is a Game. There are plenty of people that I dislike in the context of the game but I would never wish violence upon them or their properties. I would certainly never desire to damage an art installation in efforts to spite them. This is the difference between rational thinking and blind hate.
Even if you don't agree with anything I stand for or have any appreciation for me as a player, remember that we all make EvE what it is. Every single one of us IS EvE. Could have been someone who didn't even really have anything against you who just wanted to frame Gevlon. Of course it could also have been someone who hates your guts who also wanted to frame Gevlon. Or it could have been someone who hates you and found Gevlon easy to use as a scapegoat. Or it could have been someone who didn't have anything against either of you, and just decided to act like a child. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Jacob Gault
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:27:00 -
[391] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:So, there's a couple of things going to happen in this thread right now:
- First - People are going to stop pointing fingers and blaming people. CCP will investigate and take any action against game accounts, along with any legal action that we feel necessary. This is already in progress.
- Second - This is damage of public property in the City of Reykjavik. The police have been informed, and investigation is ongoing. This is not a laughing matter, and will be dealt with as a criminal offence. We are currently reviewing security footage from a number of surrounding buildings.
- Third - People will stop attacking the victim of this on our forums. It's not funny, it's not clever. Take your rumor mongering and personal attacks away from our community. If you choose not to, you'll be removed from the community, permanently. It's a simple as that. We will not tolerate victimization.
What's happened is absolutely disgusting. It's an insult to the entire community and is clearly the work a person who believes that behavior in a virtual world is a valid reason to make a real life personal attack on someone, and deface public property. We will not tolerate this. Thankfully we've already had a number of players come forward to assist us and provide information. Including, we believe, members of the person's own alliance. Thankfully the vast majority of the rest of the community are in the same frame of mind as CCP - disgusted at the fact that someone would do this, and we're extremely grateful for your assistance. With that in mind, I'll make a simple one time offer, that if the person who defaced the monument wants to come forward and contact me relating to this, then they can do so by EVE mailing my Dev character. If this happens, we'll take it as a gesture of good faith after an extremely stupid act that was committed. With this in mind, be sure to keep this thread on topic, and cut out the personal attacks and finger pointing. People who break the rules will lose their forum posting privileges. Permanently. Thanks.
Let start by saying I've been a loyal EVE player for years, I think this type of act, in game and out of game is absolute BS.
That being said, this is what you get when CCP encourages the scum of society to play EVE because they can do these type of activities in game with great anonymity, and you CCP have encouraged the community to embrace this type of activity as apart of the eve culture and made cheating, scamming, defacing and even harassment as part of your gameplay. Do you really think people will draw the line at internet spaceship fun?
Welcome to the community you created CCP, no time like the present to make a change? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1218
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:30:00 -
[392] - Quote
don't turn this into a moralist campaign, its monday, please. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á Soylent Green Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
240
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:30:00 -
[393] - Quote
Haedonism Bot wrote:Ok, it's not the Vietnam War Memorial or anything, it's just a monument to a video game, let's keep this in perspective. A little vandalism will probably give it more character.
The monument is a result of ccp taking itself way to seriously. That someone tagged the monument with an alliance logo imo actually gives that monument significance and a real connection to the game and the players. Would certainly be "cool," again imo, if it became a fanfest tradition for folk to sneak out there and tag it with your alliance/corp logo.
edit - didnt realize that the op was talking about the scratching out of someone's name as opposed to the alliance tag that happened earlier. Opps. I don't play, I just fourm warrior. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5327
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:33:00 -
[394] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:don't turn this into a moralist campaign, its monday, please.
Amen and hallelujah!!
Oh, wait......
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1717
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:33:00 -
[395] - Quote
Jacob Gault wrote:Do you really think people will draw the line at internet spaceship fun?
People - yes, brainless morons - no.
I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1218
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:37:00 -
[396] - Quote
derp Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á Soylent Green Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
476
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:38:00 -
[397] - Quote
Eve and the internet in general gives a lot of people the opportunity to say and do things they wouldn't normally do. However, it seems some people really are that way. While most people act like jerks on the internet, they're actually decent people irl.
Then there's those who act decent irl and have the opportunity to be their true selves on the internet, acting like jerks :/ |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
6332
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:40:00 -
[398] - Quote
Jacob Gault wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:So, there's a couple of things going to happen in this thread right now:
- First - People are going to stop pointing fingers and blaming people. CCP will investigate and take any action against game accounts, along with any legal action that we feel necessary. This is already in progress.
- Second - This is damage of public property in the City of Reykjavik. The police have been informed, and investigation is ongoing. This is not a laughing matter, and will be dealt with as a criminal offence. We are currently reviewing security footage from a number of surrounding buildings.
- Third - People will stop attacking the victim of this on our forums. It's not funny, it's not clever. Take your rumor mongering and personal attacks away from our community. If you choose not to, you'll be removed from the community, permanently. It's a simple as that. We will not tolerate victimization.
What's happened is absolutely disgusting. It's an insult to the entire community and is clearly the work a person who believes that behavior in a virtual world is a valid reason to make a real life personal attack on someone, and deface public property. We will not tolerate this. Thankfully we've already had a number of players come forward to assist us and provide information. Including, we believe, members of the person's own alliance. Thankfully the vast majority of the rest of the community are in the same frame of mind as CCP - disgusted at the fact that someone would do this, and we're extremely grateful for your assistance. With that in mind, I'll make a simple one time offer, that if the person who defaced the monument wants to come forward and contact me relating to this, then they can do so by EVE mailing my Dev character. If this happens, we'll take it as a gesture of good faith after an extremely stupid act that was committed. With this in mind, be sure to keep this thread on topic, and cut out the personal attacks and finger pointing. People who break the rules will lose their forum posting privileges. Permanently. Thanks. Let start by saying I've been a loyal EVE player for years, I think this type of act, in game and out of game is absolute BS. That being said, t his is what you get when CCP encourages the scum of society to play EVE because they can do these type of activities in game with great anonymity, and you CCP have encouraged the community to embrace this type of activity as apart of the eve culture and made cheating, scamming, defacing and even harassment as part of your gameplay. Do you really think people will draw the line at internet spaceship fun? Welcome to the community you created CCP, no time like the present to make a change?
Bullshit. This event is no evidence of anything other than the fact that one person is criminally stupid. If a fraction of what you typed was true, the Government of Icleand would have banned Fanfest by now because of all the murders and arson that occurs as a result....you know, the things that don't happen. The peacefulness of fanfest is actual proof that the kind of game CCP has made is irrelevant to real life bad behavior.
I really do find it shameful when someone tries to pin whatever irrational hatred to an event that has nothing to do with it. What you posted is like what some crazy religious folks say in my country, ie "see America, that soldier died because your society is corrupt and allows homosexual behavior".....
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3929
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:41:00 -
[399] - Quote
Jacob Gault wrote: the scum of society
Ivory Tower alert
And hyperbole alarm "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5772
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:41:00 -
[400] - Quote
Jacob Gault wrote: Do you really think people will draw the line at internet spaceship fun?
Yes. And if they can't manage to be adults about this videogame, then they aren't welcome.
Quote: Welcome to the community you created CCP, no time like the present to make a change?
Some of us actually possess the ability to separate a videogame from real life. The community here is one of the best I have ever encountered, despite your tearful assertion that being allowed to be bad guys in internet spaceships somehow makes us bad people in real life. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
836
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:49:00 -
[401] - Quote
Yeah lets put EVE players are criminals in perspective During pubcrawl a window was seen broken, everyone dutifully thought it was a result of the pub crawl and inquired on the repairs It turned out it was unrelated
In another point, no one got arrested even though the police went and were watching closely
My sister still managed to rip a guys shirt off because she thought it was the flag Sorry dude, next time go shirtless |
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
266
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:50:00 -
[402] - Quote
NEONOVUS wrote: At least the Goon decal got removed quickly and was done for laughs (How did they get that on there?)
If this is true, then I call for the Goons involved to also be banned.
Vandalism is vandalism. It doesn't matter what instrument used or if it causes any damage or not.
Mine smart. Mine safe. Purchase your mining permit today...... www.minerbumping.com |
Juliette Asanari
Saeder-Krupp Trading Division
61
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:53:00 -
[403] - Quote
BuckStrider wrote:
Vandalism is vandalism. It doesn't matter what instrument used or if it causes any damage or not.
Actually, that is not true in most legal systems. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1720
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:54:00 -
[404] - Quote
BuckStrider wrote:Vandalism is vandalism. It doesn't matter what instrument used or if it causes any damage or not.
I don't know your big city ways but in my neck of the woods vandalism implies damage. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9552
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:55:00 -
[405] - Quote
Jacob Gault wrote:Do you really think people will draw the line at internet spaceship fun? Why not? The vast majority of players do. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
169
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:03:00 -
[406] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Yes. And if they can't manage to be adults about this videogame, then they aren't welcome.
Well, no. Last time I checked Eve was not for adults only, soooo...
However, I'd assume that whoever did this was technically an adult.
A real Eve player would have used some dynamite in order to create a wonderful splosion anyway. |
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
266
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:03:00 -
[407] - Quote
Juliette Asanari wrote:BuckStrider wrote:
Vandalism is vandalism. It doesn't matter what instrument used or if it causes any damage or not.
Actually, that is not true in most legal systems.
Actually, it is.
If there is a pic of that bee on the monument, then that's vandalism. They defaced the object. It doesn't matter if it was even for two seconds.
Mine smart. Mine safe. Purchase your mining permit today...... www.minerbumping.com |
Dave Stark
5286
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:05:00 -
[408] - Quote
Jacob Gault wrote:Do you really think people will draw the line at internet spaceship fun?
Welcome to the community you created CCP, no time like the present to make a change?
of course they'll draw the line at internet spaceship fun; there's a difference between real life, and a game.
stop trying to use this as some kind of argument to pacify the game and turn it in to a themepark. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
6334
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:13:00 -
[409] - Quote
BuckStrider wrote:Juliette Asanari wrote:BuckStrider wrote:
Vandalism is vandalism. It doesn't matter what instrument used or if it causes any damage or not.
Actually, that is not true in most legal systems. Actually, it is. If there is a pic of that bee on the monument, then that's vandalism. They defaced the object. It doesn't matter if it was even for two seconds.
Juliete is right (of course, you'd have to look past your irrational goon-hate to notice lol).
In my state, this is the criminal mischief (vandalism) law.
Intentionally or knowingly damaged someone elseGÇÖs property Intentionally or knowingly tampering with someone elseGÇÖs property causing loss or substantial inconvenience, or Intentionally making marks, graffiti, inscriptions, or drawings on the property of another.
A sticker would not be considered criminal mischief (CM) unless it's placement or removal caused physical damage or created some kind of inconvenience. If I wrote someone a CM citation for putting a sticker on something not only would the court throw it out but my boss would probably get a not so friendly phone call from a dude in a black robe about wasting the court's time. |
Dave Stark
5287
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:13:00 -
[410] - Quote
BuckStrider wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:BuckStrider wrote:Vandalism is vandalism. It doesn't matter what instrument used or if it causes any damage or not. I don't know your big city ways but in my neck of the woods vandalism implies damage. Damage is a matter of perspective, it doesn't have to be physical. Spray painting a train doesn't cause the train any harm. VANDALISM : willful or malicious destruction or defacement of public or private property .
defacement, that means like... visual damage, right? |
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Eric Stratton
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance
11
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:18:00 -
[411] - Quote
Jacob Gault wrote:
Let start by saying I've been a loyal EVE player for years, I think this type of act, in game and out of game is absolute BS.
That being said, this is what you get when CCP encourages the scum of society to play EVE because they can do these type of activities in game with great anonymity, and you CCP have encouraged the community to embrace this type of activity as apart of the eve culture and made cheating, scamming, defacing and even harassment as part of your gameplay. Do you really think people will draw the line at internet spaceship fun?
Welcome to the community you created CCP, no time like the present to make a change?
I realize you are an NPC corp posting alt with only 1 post, and maybe I'm falling for your troll attempt or whatever forum warrior shenanigans you might be up to, but...
Your post is simply victim blaming. Also, people draw the line at spaceship fun all of the time. People are able to play a game and leave it in the game, because... it is a game. I like this game. I don't think CCP needs to change this game because an immature person does something immature/destructive in real life. I also think it is tasteless to go to someone after their property has been defaced and go, "You kinda deserved this."
Also, a note about games: When I play Monopoly, I am not "cruel in real life" for collecting my rents and bankrupting someone, or passing the dice along so that someone is "scammed" out of their money because they didn't notice me landing on their property before the next player rolls. When I play something like Vampire: The Masquerade, I am not a monster for real (it's called "Role Playing"). Some games, however, are not to my tastes. I don't concoct theories about the negative societal effects of these games because they are not to my tastes, I simply let people have their fun while I do other things with my life. |
Astrid Minoki
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:19:00 -
[412] - Quote
I am seriously disappointed and in fact angry at this act of high retardation. I would want the person responsible made to pay for the repairs and then charged by the local police for Vandalism. No he would not get jail time obviously but the full remit of punishment for this offence must be used. ( Fine, Banning Order, Community Work,)
I feel let down that a co-player of EVE has denigrated the monument that CCP put up for all of us. We as players have a unique relationship with CCP and them with us.
They must be upset in CCP HQ that they spent time and money on this and they are repaid by an act of malevolence. Luckily they will know that 99% of EVE players leave their nefariousness at the keyboard!
I am not interested in a public naming and shaming or a witch-hunt. I just want the person dealt with and then a CCP announcement saying " Case closed " and the Sculpture is repaired and wholly intact.
As an aside maybe some security measures will have to be taken to prevent copy cat attacks etc , more expense for CCP.
Good job you cretin. |
Juliette Asanari
Saeder-Krupp Trading Division
61
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:19:00 -
[413] - Quote
BuckStrider wrote:Juliette Asanari wrote:BuckStrider wrote:
Vandalism is vandalism. It doesn't matter what instrument used or if it causes any damage or not.
Actually, that is not true in most legal systems. Actually, it is. If there is a pic of that bee on the monument, then that's vandalism. They defaced the object. It doesn't matter if it was even for two seconds.
*sigh* You indeed made me look up the relevant parts of (at least my) local law (german "Sachbesch+ñdigung") as well as english law (Property damage)
At its core, it's about 'damage' - if you do something to a thing, that can, without any permanent marks, easily be undone, you are not damaging that thing.
Btw, the punishment for property damage in germany can be 'up to two years in prison' (-º303 StGb) - definatly not a laughting matter, as CCP Falcon said. |
Sibyyl
678
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:23:00 -
[414] - Quote
All we have to do is find the fellow marked with the blinking yellow skull in Iceland. The police won't even do anything if you tag him with water pistols till he pees himself. Take solace knowing that even after the sun sets, and your sky is filled with darkness, that the sun is still shining. -D. Entervention Psychotic Monk joins BNI |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3934
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:25:00 -
[415] - Quote
Eric Stratton wrote:it's called "Role Playing"
Careful now!
You might get called out for RPing in an MMORPG! "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Belt Scout
Forum alts make you mad
358
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:26:00 -
[416] - Quote
Marsha Mallow wrote:*sneaks back to Dust forum to observe carnage
I was wondering who that other cloaky camper I saw in local was.
EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now. |
Prince Kobol
1689
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:32:00 -
[417] - Quote
First off, who ever put the little bee sticker on and took a photo.. lol
It was a bit a fun, no damage was done. I actually thought it was quite cute
As for other, actual damage has been caused. It was a malicious attack directed at that person and then they attempted to shift the blame to somebody else.
You can not and should never compare the two.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3257
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:32:00 -
[418] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Eric Stratton wrote:it's called "Role Playing" Careful now! You might get called out for RPing in an MMORPG! Roleplaying and roleplaying games are a vile method of indoctrinating the youth into sinful and heretical behaviour and should be banned. Everybody knows that since the 70s. What am I even doing here? I need to make an appointment with my confessor. Again. *sigh* Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3937
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:35:00 -
[419] - Quote
Abrazzar wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Eric Stratton wrote:it's called "Role Playing" Careful now! You might get called out for RPing in an MMORPG! Roleplaying and roleplaying games are a vile method of indoctrinating the youth into sinful and heretical behaviour
Yup
And I love every
sinful
second
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3260
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:42:00 -
[420] - Quote
BuckStrider wrote:Oh, so what you are saying is I can head over to one of your national monuments (in full view of security), slap a sticker on it, take a few pics, remove said sticker, and unless there is visible damage I won't be questioned?
You go first, I'll be interested in the results. National monuments have their own security that use house rights to enforce rules of behaviour independent and on top of criminal law.
Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1257
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:49:00 -
[421] - Quote
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
If people think it is smart to disregard Falcons warning in his last post about the way to behave in this thread, think again. CCP is taking this very seriously and it would be quite foolish to taunt them for it or over it at this point. So as a stern advice: please do not!
The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
30. Abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers is prohibited.
CCP operate a zero tolerance policy on abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers. This includes but is not limited to personal attacks, trolling, GÇ£outingGÇ¥ of CCP employee or ISD volunteer player identities, and the use of any former player identities when referring to the aforementioned parties. Our forums are designed to be a place where players and developers can exchange ideas in a polite and friendly manner for the betterment of EVE Online. Players who attack or abuse employees of CCP, or ISD volunteers, will be permanently banned from the EVE Online forums across all their accounts with no recourse, and may also be subject to action against their game accounts. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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yogizh
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
11
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:00:00 -
[422] - Quote
Just to poke in this forum lawyering. I have spent a few years hanging out with writers and street artists, doing some support stuff for them and laws are very different in various countries. Punishment for writing and stickers varies from removing the art piece to 8 years of jail (this harsh one is related do folks doing a plane two weeks after 9/11 in Bratislava Airport).
Damaging memorials, statues or buildings considered to be national heritage can be punished much harder. Criminal charges for this can include hate crimes (destruction of Jewish cemetries and such) and fines going to hundreds of thousands Gé¼/USD. Completely different "sport".
On the issue raised by the Grr Goons people. Free speech is guaranteed constitutional right in all 1st world countries and it should not be confused with EULA which serves to protect customers of private companies. Yes there are people trying to bend this, trying to avoid public ridicule (mostly nerds and politicians). In real life there is no GM to stand up for you and no thought police to protect the butthurt people (for now, also can I say butt here ?) |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
344
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:05:00 -
[423] - Quote
yogizh wrote: Free speech is guaranteed constitutional right in all 1st world countries
anned ameriker e.i. teh new worlde anned all sew knot all yuro peen cuntries hav a consityoushun
you kay fore ecksample dos knot hav a riten constipashun at ale "Thread locked for being deemed a total loss." - ISD Ezwal |
yogizh
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
11
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:32:00 -
[424] - Quote
Billy McCandless wrote:yogizh wrote: Free speech is guaranteed constitutional right in all 1st world countries anned ameriker e.i. teh new worlde anned all sew knot all yuro peen cuntries hav a consityoushun you kay fore ecksample dos knot hav a riten constipashun at ale
Ty si teda, ale dos+Ñ pokazen++ chlapec.
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Lady Areola Fappington
new order logistics CODE.
1740
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:33:00 -
[425] - Quote
Billy McCandless wrote:yogizh wrote: Free speech is guaranteed constitutional right in all 1st world countries anned ameriker e.i. teh new worlde anned all sew knot all yuro peen cuntries hav a consityoushun you kay fore ecksample dos knot hav a riten constipashun at ale
Quite correct little billy. Even in the USA, land of the free speech, that law only extends as far as the government not being allowed to impinge on free speech. Your landlord, employer, convention host, and internet spaceship video game developer can restrict your freedom of speech as much or as little as they choose. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Solecist Project's Alt
Wildly Inept Pacifists
48
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:35:00 -
[426] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Billy McCandless wrote:yogizh wrote: Free speech is guaranteed constitutional right in all 1st world countries anned ameriker e.i. teh new worlde anned all sew knot all yuro peen cuntries hav a consityoushun you kay fore ecksample dos knot hav a riten constipashun at ale Quite correct little billy. Even in the USA, land of the free speech, that law only extends as far as the government not being allowed to impinge on free speech. Your landlord, employer, convention host, and internet spaceship video game developer can restrict your freedom of speech as much or as little as they choose. I hereby declare you official translator of Billy, because F***, I have no idea what he wrote! |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
349
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:35:00 -
[427] - Quote
yogizh wrote:Billy McCandless wrote:yogizh wrote: Free speech is guaranteed constitutional right in all 1st world countries anned ameriker e.i. teh new worlde anned all sew knot all yuro peen cuntries hav a consityoushun you kay fore ecksample dos knot hav a riten constipashun at ale Ty si teda, ale dos+Ñ pokazen++ chlapec.
poleland stronk! "Thread locked for being deemed a total loss." - ISD Ezwal |
yogizh
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
11
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:37:00 -
[428] - Quote
Billy McCandless wrote:yogizh wrote:Billy McCandless wrote:yogizh wrote: Free speech is guaranteed constitutional right in all 1st world countries anned ameriker e.i. teh new worlde anned all sew knot all yuro peen cuntries hav a consityoushun you kay fore ecksample dos knot hav a riten constipashun at ale Ty si teda, ale dos+Ñ pokazen++ chlapec. poleland stronk!
It is not Polish.
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Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
351
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:39:00 -
[429] - Quote
yogizh wrote:Billy McCandless wrote:yogizh wrote:Billy McCandless wrote:yogizh wrote: Free speech is guaranteed constitutional right in all 1st world countries anned ameriker e.i. teh new worlde anned all sew knot all yuro peen cuntries hav a consityoushun you kay fore ecksample dos knot hav a riten constipashun at ale Ty si teda, ale dos+Ñ pokazen++ chlapec. poleland stronk! It is not Polish.
aye did note saye it were "Thread locked for being deemed a total loss." - ISD Ezwal |
Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
558
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:45:00 -
[430] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:So, there's a couple of things going to happen in this thread right now:
- First - People are going to stop pointing fingers and blaming people. CCP will investigate and take any action against game accounts, along with any legal action that we feel necessary. This is already in progress.
- Second - This is damage of public property in the City of Reykjavik. The police have been informed, and investigation is ongoing. This is not a laughing matter, and will be dealt with as a criminal offence. We are currently reviewing security footage from a number of surrounding buildings.
- Third - People will stop attacking the victim of this on our forums. It's not funny, it's not clever. Take your rumor mongering and personal attacks away from our community. If you choose not to, you'll be removed from the community, permanently. It's a simple as that. We will not tolerate victimization.
What's happened is absolutely disgusting. It's an insult to the entire community and is clearly the work a person who believes that behavior in a virtual world is a valid reason to make a real life personal attack on someone, and deface public property. We will not tolerate this. Thankfully we've already had a number of players come forward to assist us and provide information. Including, we believe, members of the person's own alliance. Thankfully the vast majority of the rest of the community are in the same frame of mind as CCP - disgusted at the fact that someone would do this, and we're extremely grateful for your assistance. With that in mind, I'll make a simple one time offer, that if the person who defaced the monument wants to come forward and contact me relating to this, then they can do so by EVE mailing my Dev character. If this happens, we'll take it as a gesture of good faith after an extremely stupid act that was committed. With this in mind, be sure to keep this thread on topic, and cut out the personal attacks and finger pointing. People who break the rules will lose their forum posting privileges. Permanently. Thanks. Seriously Falcon bro, cover those names up with a clear protector. We both know it'll happen again, sadly enough. If I was at fanfest I'd do it for you myself, for free! Stealing the idea from my local graveyard maint. guys, in fact. They've started sealing text on grave markers with plexi, coz dimbulbs have been defacing headstone test for lulz.
Reposting for emphasis. I don't think vandalism was really expected or accounted for for the monument, which is actually not surprising given Reykjavik's (relatively) small size and community. Some kind of coating however would be useful at the very least.
Also - Someone poking at the monument with a knife causing this kind of damage kinda has me worried about the claim that it will stand for 1000 years. ;p
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
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Silky Cyno
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:45:00 -
[431] - Quote
Stupid is as stupid does a wise man once said, but he also banged a chic with aids so...................... |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
185
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:55:00 -
[432] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:So, there's a couple of things going to happen in this thread right now:
- First - People are going to stop pointing fingers and blaming people. CCP will investigate and take any action against game accounts, along with any legal action that we feel necessary. This is already in progress.
- Second - This is damage of public property in the City of Reykjavik. The police have been informed, and investigation is ongoing. This is not a laughing matter, and will be dealt with as a criminal offence. We are currently reviewing security footage from a number of surrounding buildings.
- Third - People will stop attacking the victim of this on our forums. It's not funny, it's not clever. Take your rumor mongering and personal attacks away from our community. If you choose not to, you'll be removed from the community, permanently. It's a simple as that. We will not tolerate victimization.
What's happened is absolutely disgusting. It's an insult to the entire community and is clearly the work a person who believes that behavior in a virtual world is a valid reason to make a real life personal attack on someone, and deface public property. We will not tolerate this. Thankfully we've already had a number of players come forward to assist us and provide information. Including, we believe, members of the person's own alliance. Thankfully the vast majority of the rest of the community are in the same frame of mind as CCP - disgusted at the fact that someone would do this, and we're extremely grateful for your assistance. With that in mind, I'll make a simple one time offer, that if the person who defaced the monument wants to come forward and contact me relating to this, then they can do so by EVE mailing my Dev character. If this happens, we'll take it as a gesture of good faith after an extremely stupid act that was committed. With this in mind, be sure to keep this thread on topic, and cut out the personal attacks and finger pointing. People who break the rules will lose their forum posting privileges. Permanently. Thanks. Ah yes, hopefully this person will be thrown to the wolves by his alliance mates. For one thing it would look pretty bad for the alliance if this person was found and alliance mates where seen to be withholding this information of this criminal act from CCP. Would blacken the entire alliance.
Also in a more general sense, I would hope that we, the eve community, do not want people like this amongst us. So it is in everyone's best interest for anyone with knowledge of this to immediately notify CCP or risk being tarred with the same brush.
The thing that really gets me, is fanfest attendees are generally guests in another persons country who kindly offer to host this event in good faith. It is completely disrespectful to vandalise a statue which is as much owned by the Icelandic people as it is owned by the eve community. |
Subject 4927
Rage Quit. Failed-Diplomacy
60
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Posted - 2014.05.05 16:02:00 -
[433] - Quote
If CCP doesn't put up a security camera to over look the monument, then i expect it to be defaced. Irrelevant eve players want fame and this is one way, Also taking into account the kind of people that play eve.
I do things in eve which makes me hated by most but it's a game, Breaking the law for the "lols" isn't something that should be tolerated. |
Marsha Mallow
482
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Posted - 2014.05.05 16:12:00 -
[434] - Quote
Belt Scout wrote:Marsha Mallow wrote:*sneaks back to Dust forum to observe carnage I was wondering who that other cloaky camper I saw in local was. Heh, Dusties are blaming Goons for this too (they seem a bit disappointed it wasn't one of them). And they wonder why there's only a tiny bit of sympathy for them. All this episode does is distract from them, which might not be a bad thing considering the way they are carrying on. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
FreeBo
Magellanic Itg Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.05.05 16:14:00 -
[435] - Quote
The person who did it should be totally ashmed about this. Imo, that's the most stupid thing I've ever seen in my life.
Speaking about finding who did it, a friend of mine who's working at twitter gave me the confirmation that the ip was located in Reykjavik when the tweet was sent. Also, they can have a lot of other informations from their log and quickly find who's behind it.
But it's CCP and the Icelandic police that need to go to them and twitter need to accept to start investigation. |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
352
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Posted - 2014.05.05 16:17:00 -
[436] - Quote
it wassunt mi "Thread locked for being deemed a total loss." - ISD Ezwal |
Kimentor
Screaming Angels Ineluctable.
4
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Posted - 2014.05.05 16:24:00 -
[437] - Quote
Very happy to see that this is taken seriously, it's a shameful and despicable thing to do and makes the entire eve community look bad. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5092
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Posted - 2014.05.05 16:26:00 -
[438] - Quote
So... PLEX for tile replacement? Unless the guy who did this is offering to pay for a new one out of his own pocket that is. http://marlonasky.wordpress.com/ |
Aspalis
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
677
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Posted - 2014.05.05 16:32:00 -
[439] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:I think there is a lesson in all of this horribleness.
Hate is an emotion we all have but letting it take control, clouding judgment and shutting down any remote chance of rational thinking is not ok. Despite what some will say I know a great deal about emotions and feelings. I have learned which are constructive and which are counterproductive.
Hate as an emotion can literally hijack your brain and make you do stupid things, horrible things. No matter how much you dislike somebody or their ideas you should never let that devolve into hate. This isn't just me saying this either, there is a strong scientific backing to what I am saying.
EvE Online is a Game. There are plenty of people that I dislike in the context of the game but I would never wish violence upon them or their properties. I would certainly never desire to damage an art installation in efforts to spite them. This is the difference between rational thinking and blind hate.
Even if you don't agree with anything I stand for or have any appreciation for me as a player, remember that we all make EvE what it is. Every single one of us IS EvE.
I agree, I may not like you Xenuria and may disagree with you on many things. That said, I would take that over the forums or in game.
The vandalism of this monument is disrespectful, stupid and unnecessary. |
Harry Sullivan
Amarr Technologies.
4
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Posted - 2014.05.05 16:38:00 -
[440] - Quote
One thing said ahead.
For me personally it`s a different thing to put a sticker on something that easily washes off with weather conditions at a place where it doesn`t really interrupt with anyones viewing experience with the monument or permanently try to delete someones name from the monument by destructive force.
I`ve said this to a few people in Iceland already but the way the Monument is set up lacks of proper planning and execution by CCP all together. And that is something you have to blame CCP for and noone else.
I thought that CCP of all companies out there had learned that if you give players the opportunity to do such a thing as scratch someones name off they will eventually do it.
I`d really like to know who had the insanely bright idea to put the nameplates on the ground level and have fans walk, crouch and lay flat on their face on it to find their player names or take a picture from it without taking any precautions that in the long run the names won`t wash off or get damaged by fans intentionally.
Also if you know how agressive bird-do is, this really wasn`t the best choice.
Last but not least I completely don`t understand why they hadn't covered each plate by a thin layer of scratch resistant acrylic. But hey why spend a few extra bucks per plate if you can just go the lazy route and end up with drama like this.
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FEARNAUGHT O'BREQ
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2014.05.05 16:44:00 -
[441] - Quote
Very disappointed to read this after such a great weekend. Hopefully the local law enforcement will have some luck in helping this idiot into understanding where the line between in- game & RL is. |
Dr Techenstein Techsalt
SWAMPERIUM
1
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Posted - 2014.05.05 17:01:00 -
[442] - Quote
Really?, over a sticker lol. Dust merc- TechMechMeds, logistics
Eve legion ftw
Dust scum think they can dominate legion lol |
Anslo
Scope Works
4957
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Posted - 2014.05.05 17:03:00 -
[443] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:So, there's a couple of things going to happen in this thread right now:
- First - People are going to stop pointing fingers and blaming people. CCP will investigate and take any action against game accounts, along with any legal action that we feel necessary. This is already in progress.
- Second - This is damage of public property in the City of Reykjavik. The police have been informed, and investigation is ongoing. This is not a laughing matter, and will be dealt with as a criminal offence. We are currently reviewing security footage from a number of surrounding buildings.
- Third - People will stop attacking the victim of this on our forums. It's not funny, it's not clever. Take your rumor mongering and personal attacks away from our community. If you choose not to, you'll be removed from the community, permanently. It's a simple as that. We will not tolerate victimization.
What's happened is absolutely disgusting. It's an insult to the entire community and is clearly the work a person who believes that behavior in a virtual world is a valid reason to make a real life personal attack on someone, and deface public property. We will not tolerate this. Thankfully we've already had a number of players come forward to assist us and provide information. Including, we believe, members of the person's own alliance. Thankfully the vast majority of the rest of the community are in the same frame of mind as CCP - disgusted at the fact that someone would do this, and we're extremely grateful for your assistance. With that in mind, I'll make a simple one time offer, that if the person who defaced the monument wants to come forward and contact me relating to this, then they can do so by EVE mailing my Dev character. If this happens, we'll take it as a gesture of good faith after an extremely stupid act that was committed. With this in mind, be sure to keep this thread on topic, and cut out the personal attacks and finger pointing. People who break the rules will lose their forum posting privileges. Permanently. Thanks. Seriously Falcon bro, cover those names up with a clear protector. We both know it'll happen again, sadly enough. If I was at fanfest I'd do it for you myself, for free! Stealing the idea from my local graveyard maint. guys, in fact. They've started sealing text on grave markers with plexi, coz dimbulbs have been defacing headstone test for lulz.
This. Given how quickly someone went full derp over stupid in-game crap, a coating or something should go on the monument.
Also I volunteer a cloaky alt to keep eyes on it.
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Dr Techenstein Techsalt
SWAMPERIUM
1
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Posted - 2014.05.05 17:04:00 -
[444] - Quote
Mara Pahrdi wrote:Rovinia wrote:Repair it, give the workers a generous tip and send the bill to him. This.
Pretty sure that sending the bill might cost about the same as the repair lol. Dust merc- TechMechMeds, logistics
Eve legion ftw
Dust scum think they can dominate legion lol |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9559
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Posted - 2014.05.05 17:04:00 -
[445] - Quote
Again, how? Suppose the perp is American. They're most certainly out of Iceland by now. What exactly do you expect Reykjavic police to do? Request extradition over vandalism? Probably the most that could happen is that all of their accounts get banned. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1726
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Posted - 2014.05.05 17:04:00 -
[446] - Quote
Dr Techenstein Techsalt wrote:Really?, over a sticker lol.
Ehm, I think you missed some tiny detail here... I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Dr Techenstein Techsalt
SWAMPERIUM
1
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Posted - 2014.05.05 17:12:00 -
[447] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:FEARNAUGHT O'BREQ wrote:Very disappointed to read this after such a great weekend. Hopefully the local law enforcement will have some luck in helping this idiot into understanding where the line between in- game & RL is. Again, how? Suppose the perp is American. They're most certainly out of Iceland by now. What exactly do you expect Reykjavic police to do? Request extradition over vandalism? Probably the most that could happen is that all of their accounts get banned. Dr Techenstein Techsalt wrote:Really?, over a sticker lol. Uh no, this is about someone else causing physical damage (scratches) to the monument. Not a sticker.
Oh ok. There was a fatbee sticker placed, I didn't know about the scratching. Dust merc- TechMechMeds, logistics
Eve legion ftw
Dust scum think they can dominate legion lol |
Dr Techenstein Techsalt
SWAMPERIUM
1
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Posted - 2014.05.05 17:12:00 -
[448] - Quote
Schmata Bastanold wrote:Dr Techenstein Techsalt wrote:Really?, over a sticker lol. Ehm, I think you missed some tiny detail here...
3/10 would not recommend to a friend lol. Dust merc- TechMechMeds, logistics
Eve legion ftw
Dust scum think they can dominate legion lol |
Lady Areola Fappington
new order logistics CODE.
1743
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Posted - 2014.05.05 17:15:00 -
[449] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:FEARNAUGHT O'BREQ wrote:Very disappointed to read this after such a great weekend. Hopefully the local law enforcement will have some luck in helping this idiot into understanding where the line between in- game & RL is. Again, how? Suppose the perp is American. They're most certainly out of Iceland by now. What exactly do you expect Reykjavic police to do? Request extradition over vandalism? Probably the most that could happen is that all of their accounts get banned. Dr Techenstein Techsalt wrote:Really?, over a sticker lol. Uh no, this is about someone else causing physical damage (scratches) to the monument. Not a sticker.
If I were in CCP's position, I wouldn't say another word from here on out. If I did get pretty solid evidence as to who it was, I'd just let the Icelandic equivalent of customs know. Wouldn't even ban the account.
Then, when/if the dimwit decides to arrive at the next fanfest, the customs dood can deny entry, and the perp can have a good long chat with the relevant authorities about restitution. IIRC, CCP did donate the monument to Reykjavik, so it's public/city property now.
The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Major 'Revolver' Ocelot
GRU Special Forces
234
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Posted - 2014.05.05 17:28:00 -
[450] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Major 'Revolver' Ocelot wrote:I'm surprised everyone is surprised something like this happened. Honestly I expected graffiti or something. I imagine it's going to be worse come fanfest when everyone has had a drink.
Hopefully they have someone look after it for the duration. Fanfest just finished buddy!
Oh I guess it's time to come out under my rock or something thought it was next month lol. I love to reload during a battle... There's nothing like the feeling of slamming a long silver missile, into a well greased chamber... |
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5340
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Posted - 2014.05.05 17:30:00 -
[451] - Quote
Dr Techenstein Techsalt wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:FEARNAUGHT O'BREQ wrote:Very disappointed to read this after such a great weekend. Hopefully the local law enforcement will have some luck in helping this idiot into understanding where the line between in- game & RL is. Again, how? Suppose the perp is American. They're most certainly out of Iceland by now. What exactly do you expect Reykjavic police to do? Request extradition over vandalism? Probably the most that could happen is that all of their accounts get banned. Dr Techenstein Techsalt wrote:Really?, over a sticker lol. Uh no, this is about someone else causing physical damage (scratches) to the monument. Not a sticker. Oh ok. There was a fatbee sticker placed, I didn't know about the scratching.
Simpsons goons did it first!
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Mikron Alexarr
New Age Solutions Vanguard.
92
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Posted - 2014.05.05 17:34:00 -
[452] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:So, there's a couple of things going to happen in this thread right now:
- First - People are going to stop pointing fingers and blaming people. CCP will investigate and take any action against game accounts, along with any legal action that we feel necessary. This is already in progress.
- Second - This is damage of public property in the City of Reykjavik. The police have been informed, and investigation is ongoing. This is not a laughing matter, and will be dealt with as a criminal offence. We are currently reviewing security footage from a number of surrounding buildings.
- Third - People will stop attacking the victim of this on our forums. It's not funny, it's not clever. Take your rumor mongering and personal attacks away from our community. If you choose not to, you'll be removed from the community, permanently. It's a simple as that. We will not tolerate victimization.
What's happened is absolutely disgusting. It's an insult to the entire community and is clearly the work a person who believes that behavior in a virtual world is a valid reason to make a real life personal attack on someone, and deface public property. We will not tolerate this. Thankfully we've already had a number of players come forward to assist us and provide information. Including, we believe, members of the person's own alliance. Thankfully the vast majority of the rest of the community are in the same frame of mind as CCP - disgusted at the fact that someone would do this, and we're extremely grateful for your assistance. With that in mind, I'll make a simple one time offer, that if the person who defaced the monument wants to come forward and contact me relating to this, then they can do so by EVE mailing my Dev character. If this happens, we'll take it as a gesture of good faith after an extremely stupid act that was committed. With this in mind, be sure to keep this thread on topic, and cut out the personal attacks and finger pointing. People who break the rules will lose their forum posting privileges. Permanently. Thanks.
This is how you handle the situation. Good on you Falcon.
That being said, without explicit amnesty being offered and the severity of the consequences, I have little hope that the vandal would step forward.
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Meiyang Lee
Game Instrument Applications
31
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Posted - 2014.05.05 17:35:00 -
[453] - Quote
Dr Techenstein Techsalt wrote: Oh ok. There was a fatbee sticker placed, I didn't know about the scratching.
The Goon Bee sticker is on the reflective central pillar of the monument, it's not bothering anyone there. It's harmless and easy enough to remove if needed.
Taking a set of keys to the engraved steel plates on the monument itself is a little more serious though.
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The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
145
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Posted - 2014.05.05 17:36:00 -
[454] - Quote
I have never felt anything but acceptance at Fanfest, barring a very very small number of occassions I can wander up to anyone and say "Hi, I'm in Goonwaffe, who do you guys fly with" and people will not give the slightest of fucks.
I love that in this community there can be SO MUCH hatred and vitriol within the game that simply evaporates in the real world and that players from any walk of EVE can go get a pint together at a player gathering without caring who flies with whom.
That some people cannot operate outside the sandbox saddens me, but there is hope in that even members of this douchholes own alliance have shopped them in for doing this.
Meiyang Lee wrote:Dr Techenstein Techsalt wrote: Oh ok. There was a fatbee sticker placed, I didn't know about the scratching.
The Goon Bee sticker is on the reflective central pillar of the monument, it's not bothering anyone there. It's harmless and easy enough to remove if needed. Taking a set of keys to the engraved steel plates on the monument itself is a little more serious though.
There is a massive difference between defacing a solid structure by placing a removable sticker upon it and defacing a structure by causing permanent damage to it. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
441
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Posted - 2014.05.05 17:54:00 -
[455] - Quote
Again, given Eve players, anyone is surprised by this?
When you make a point to recruit the douchebags of the internet as players, it's startling to anyone that they act like douchebags? |
Meiyang Lee
Game Instrument Applications
31
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Posted - 2014.05.05 17:59:00 -
[456] - Quote
The Slayer wrote:I have never felt anything but acceptance at Fanfest, barring a very very small number of occassions I can wander up to anyone and say "Hi, I'm in Goonwaffe, who do you guys fly with" and people will not give the slightest of fucks.
I love that in this community there can be SO MUCH hatred and vitriol within the game that simply evaporates in the real world and that players from any walk of EVE can go get a pint together at a player gathering without caring who flies with whom.
That some people cannot operate outside the sandbox saddens me, but there is hope in that even members of this douchholes own alliance have shopped them in for doing this.
This very much, I haven't been able to go to Fanfest for a few years (it's not always easy to get vacation time around Fanfest time, it's generally a very busy time), but when I was there in 2009 and 2011 the mood was generally rather fun and everyone was cool with it all, regardless of their in-game affiliation.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1227
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:09:00 -
[457] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Again, given Eve players, anyone is surprised by this?
When you make a point to recruit the douchebags of the internet as players, it's startling to anyone that they act like douchebags? yes, yes it is.
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Evelyn Meiyi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
145
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:13:00 -
[458] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Again, given Eve players, anyone is surprised by this?
When you make a point to recruit the douchebags of the internet as players, it's startling to anyone that they act like douchebags?
It's not startling -- just intensely disappointing. The monument was intended as an appreciative gesture to the EVE community, and someone rewarded that gesture with an immature, stupid, childish act of vandalism.
That monument is not a station, or a jetcan, or the Jita statue -- it represents what we, as a community, are capable of achieving.
Unfortunately, it's now clear that all some of us are capable of achieving is an unexpected new level of low-class jackassery. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9560
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:19:00 -
[459] - Quote
If you bring a whole bunch of people together for an event, there's a pretty good possibility of at least one person committing a property crime of some sort, regardless of what event or people (with some exceptions).
This can and does happen to other communities too. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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DrSmegma
Smegma United
71
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:39:00 -
[460] - Quote
has anyone really been far as to look to decide if this was photoshopped or real? I don't really want to troll you. If I trolled you anyway, I'll probably edit it out as soon as the rage fades. |
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Sven Viko VIkolander
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
136
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:40:00 -
[461] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Again, given Eve players, anyone is surprised by this?
When you make a point to recruit the douchebags of the internet as players, it's startling to anyone that they act like douchebags?
To be honest, I think the majority of the eve community would not even contemplate doing something like this, but the tiny minority that does gets a massive amount of attention (and that's probably why they do things like this).
However, it is encouraging to me that virtually everyone here and on other eve social media sites is completely outraged by this action, and that no one, so far as I've seen, has attempted to justify or seriously downplay defacing the monument. So, yay eve community, in some sense... |
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
207
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:43:00 -
[462] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Again, given Eve players, anyone is surprised by this?
When you make a point to recruit the douchebags of the internet as players, it's startling to anyone that they act like douchebags?
Actually, people are surprised by this. I know, I know, you're assuming this is a game like WoW or Counterstrike where people will go commit horrific crimes over a video game. But the EVE community doesn't really do that kind of thing, particularly at fanfest. Hell, the worst thing I can think of as happening at fanfest before this is that one guy kinda maybe insulted another guys girlfriend. I only know that because it touched off an ingame war, and was pretty unique because Fanfest has a reputation for being a place where the most bitter of ingame enemies buy each other drinks and swap stories about the time their wife caught them alarm clocking at 5 am.
This is possibly the most violent RL act related to EVE ever committed. It may not be much by the standards of other games with a history of their players literally murdering each other IRL but for us, it's sent shockwaves through our cherished little community of douchebags. "EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9561
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:43:00 -
[463] - Quote
DrSmegma wrote:has anyone really been far as to look to decide if this was photoshopped or real? I've been really far as photoshopped to see determine real. Or really anyone CCP Guard been far as confirmed more like damage monument face. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5342
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:43:00 -
[464] - Quote
DrSmegma wrote:has anyone really been far as to look to decide if this was photoshopped or real?
10/10 GûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê FuryBotGäó 0.86
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Dr Techenstein Techsalt
SWAMPERIUM
3
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:44:00 -
[465] - Quote
The Slayer wrote:I have never felt anything but acceptance at Fanfest, barring a very very small number of occassions I can wander up to anyone and say "Hi, I'm in Goonwaffe, who do you guys fly with" and people will not give the slightest of fucks. I love that in this community there can be SO MUCH hatred and vitriol within the game that simply evaporates in the real world and that players from any walk of EVE can go get a pint together at a player gathering without caring who flies with whom. That some people cannot operate outside the sandbox saddens me, but there is hope in that even members of this douchholes own alliance have shopped them in for doing this. Meiyang Lee wrote:Dr Techenstein Techsalt wrote: Oh ok. There was a fatbee sticker placed, I didn't know about the scratching.
The Goon Bee sticker is on the reflective central pillar of the monument, it's not bothering anyone there. It's harmless and easy enough to remove if needed. Taking a set of keys to the engraved steel plates on the monument itself is a little more serious though. There is a massive difference between defacing a solid structure by placing a removable sticker upon it and defacing a structure by causing permanent damage to it.
9/10 for stating the complete obvious lol. Dust merc- TechMechMeds, logistics
Eve legion ftw
Dust scum think they can dominate legion lol |
DrSmegma
Smegma United
71
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:45:00 -
[466] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:DrSmegma wrote:has anyone really been far as to look to decide if this was photoshopped or real? I've been really far as photoshopped to see determine real. Or really anyone CCP Guard been far as confirmed more like damage monument face.
So it's actually real? Did anyone actually check? Because, man, the name of the biggest attention seeker in Eve was scratched on the monument, yeah? I wonder who might have done this. Maybe a huge attention seeker. Perhaps the biggest of them all.
Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it? I don't really want to troll you. If I trolled you anyway, I'll probably edit it out as soon as the rage fades. |
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
207
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:47:00 -
[467] - Quote
DrSmegma wrote:has anyone really been far as to look to decide if this was photoshopped or real?
Not unless someone's gone and Photoshopped all the corneas of the CCP employees who have seen the damage firsthand.
Which is both impressive and terrifying if you think on it too hard. "EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler |
Dr Techenstein Techsalt
SWAMPERIUM
3
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:47:00 -
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DrSmegma wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:DrSmegma wrote:has anyone really been far as to look to decide if this was photoshopped or real? I've been really far as photoshopped to see determine real. Or really anyone CCP Guard been far as confirmed more like damage monument face. So it's actually real? Did anyone actually check? Because, man, the name of the biggest attention ***** in Eve was scratched on the monument, yeah? I wonder who might have done this. Maybe a huge attention *****. Perhaps the biggest of them all.
Now hold on just a smegmant. Dust merc- TechMechMeds, logistics
Eve legion ftw
Dust scum think they can dominate legion lol |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9561
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:50:00 -
[469] - Quote
DrSmegma wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:DrSmegma wrote:has anyone really been far as to look to decide if this was photoshopped or real? I've been really far as photoshopped to see determine real. Or really anyone CCP Guard been far as confirmed more like damage monument face. So it's actually real? Did anyone actually check? Because, man, the name of the biggest attention seeker in Eve was scratched on the monument, yeah? I wonder who might have done this. Maybe a huge attention seeker. Perhaps the biggest of them all. Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it? It was confirmed (by CCP Falcon, not Guard; I derped) that the monument was actually vandalized. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Lady Areola Fappington
new order logistics CODE.
1743
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:54:00 -
[470] - Quote
Galen Darksmith wrote:DrSmegma wrote:has anyone really been far as to look to decide if this was photoshopped or real? Not unless someone's gone and Photoshopped all the corneas of the CCP employees who have seen the damage firsthand. Which is both impressive and terrifying if you think on it too hard.
Oculus Rift, man. We'll have quafe adverts burned into our retinas for sure!
I also wouldn't speculate too hard on who dun it. CCP has ruled out the obvious. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
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Belt Scout
Forum alts make you mad
359
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:54:00 -
[471] - Quote
DrSmegma wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:DrSmegma wrote:has anyone really been far as to look to decide if this was photoshopped or real? I've been really far as photoshopped to see determine real. Or really anyone CCP Guard been far as confirmed more like damage monument face. So it's actually real? Did anyone actually check? Because, man, the name of the biggest attention seeker in Eve was scratched on the monument, yeah? I wonder who might have done this. Maybe a huge attention seeker. Perhaps the biggest of them all. Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?
I think I saw CCP Falcon confirming it happened, and CCP was looking into it and few pages back.
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EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now. |
Belt Scout
Forum alts make you mad
359
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:57:00 -
[472] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Galen Darksmith wrote:[quote=DrSmegma]has anyone really been far as to look to decide if this was photoshopped or real? Not unless someone's gone and Photoshopped all the corneas of the CCP employees who have seen the damage firsthand. Which is both impressive and terrifying if you think on it too hard.
Oculus Rift, man. We'll have quafe adverts burned into our retinas for sure!
I also wouldn't speculate too hard on who dun it. CCP has ruled out the obvious.[/quot]
Actually as drunk as they all looked, it might not have been that hard for someone to run around scribbling on passed out eyeballs with a sharpie marker.
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EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1227
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Posted - 2014.05.05 18:57:00 -
[473] - Quote
DrSmegma wrote: So it's actually real? Did anyone actually check? Because, man, the name of the biggest attention seeker in Eve was scratched on the monument, yeah? I wonder who might have done this. Maybe a huge attention seeker. Perhaps the biggest of them all.
Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?
reading the thread might be advisable.
CCP Falcon wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:So, given Xenuria's thirst for drama and attention; what are the chances he did it himself? He'd have to have pretty long arms considering he's from the US, and isn't in Iceland.
CCP Falcon wrote:So, there's a couple of things going to happen in this thread right now:
- First - People are going to stop pointing fingers and blaming people. CCP will investigate and take any action against game accounts, along with any legal action that we feel necessary. This is already in progress.
- Second - This is damage of public property in the City of Reykjavik. The police have been informed, and investigation is ongoing. This is not a laughing matter, and will be dealt with as a criminal offence. We are currently reviewing security footage from a number of surrounding buildings.
- Third - People will stop attacking the victim of this on our forums. It's not funny, it's not clever. Take your rumor mongering and personal attacks away from our community. If you choose not to, you'll be removed from the community, permanently. It's a simple as that. We will not tolerate victimization.
What's happened is absolutely disgusting. It's an insult to the entire community and is clearly the work a person who believes that behavior in a virtual world is a valid reason to make a real life personal attack on someone, and deface public property. We will not tolerate this. Thankfully we've already had a number of players come forward to assist us and provide information. Including, we believe, members of the person's own alliance. Thankfully the vast majority of the rest of the community are in the same frame of mind as CCP - disgusted at the fact that someone would do this, and we're extremely grateful for your assistance. With that in mind, I'll make a simple one time offer, that if the person who defaced the monument wants to come forward and contact me relating to this, then they can do so by EVE mailing my Dev character. If this happens, we'll take it as a gesture of good faith after an extremely stupid act that was committed. With this in mind, be sure to keep this thread on topic, and cut out the personal attacks and finger pointing. People who break the rules will lose their forum posting privileges. Permanently. Thanks. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á Soylent Green Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10637
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:06:00 -
[474] - Quote
Yeah so everyone saying that this stuff happens because CCP allows scamming or suicide ganking or whatever is just completely and utterly wrong.
This is from a post CCP Guard made after Fanfest 2013:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2954896
CCP Guard wrote:One of the lovely young ladies who worked the Fanfest venue felt the need to write a long complimentary note on Facebook about the guests at Fanfest. Here are some translated bits from the note:
"The compliment of the week goes to the players of EVE Online, especially those who attended the Fanfest at Harpa.
I was working in Harpa this weekend like so many other weekends and was so tremendously pleased with the guests that I feel compelled to spread the happiness. There were around 2000 guests there who all have something to do with the computer game, EVE Online. My job this weekend was to work the bar and generally service this group of so called "computer nerds". I've done all kinds of events at Harpa, from small events with 30 people, conventions, large concerts up to 1000 man annual company fests. I've gotten very used to service Icelanders at these events and I believe I know exactly which groups are the easiest to work with, which are the rudest, the pushiest, the most fun, the funniest etc.
"It was great to work on, and be a part of, this impressive fest that CCP hosts. I have never (except at Fanfest 2012) had such a wonderful group of customers before. They stood in queues and nobody tried to push past anyone else to get service first. They said "thanks" and asked courteously for everything they needed. The traffic for food came in bursts so when things slowed down I left the service station to clean up and make the area nice again for the next burst. To my surprise there was nothing to clean up, the guests cleaned up after themselves, threw the wrappers in the garbage when they were done etc. The only thing for me to do was wipe a few crumbs off the tables.
"On the Saturday night we had the final party and probably had between 2-3000 people in the building. Even if people were drinking, things went pretty much the same regarding the neatness and courtesy. I sold a crazy amount of beer that night so I expected to have to do a lot of cleaning up, many times over the course of the evening, but that wasn't the case. The guests even returned empty cans when they bought new ones."
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I also spoke with some of the bouncers at one of the bars filled to the brims with Fanfest guests the whole week. They came to me specifically to tell me that they were so happy with the clientele. They're not used to having the bar full of drunk people without things breaking, fights breaking out and some amount of troublemaking at least. They already looked forward to having you guys back next year.
I'm proud of my tribe and wanted to thank you guys for giving Fanfest a great reputation! :)
What's that? EVE players, many of whom are complete bastards to each other in game and on forums can actually get along well in real life, even amongst their worst enemies? It's almost as if they're just people who enjoy playing this game enough to go on a weekend long alcohol binge with other people who have that in common.
In other words, incidents where somebody leaves Harpa and realizes they're missing their tablet, or where somebody decides to vandalize the monument to CCP's checking account, are exceptions and not the norm Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
DrSmegma
Smegma United
72
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:13:00 -
[475] - Quote
I only activated my account for a month and it will expire again, halfly because I'm unsatisfied with the game, halfly because I'm unsatisfied with my posts being deleted by powerhungry volunteers who contribute nothing to the forum imo.
I just stated the obvious, that all traces in this case lead to Xenuria doing it himself or making someone else do it. You can delete this again if you want, it doesn't matter. The ISDs are already on my list of why I previously quit and am quitting again.
Go ahead, delete it. It's absolutely ridiculous.
I don't really want to troll you. If I trolled you anyway, I'll probably edit it out as soon as the rage fades. |
Belt Scout
Forum alts make you mad
360
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:16:00 -
[476] - Quote
DrSmegma wrote:I only activated my account for a month and it will expire again, halfly because I'm unsatisfied with the game, halfly because I'm unsatisfied with my posts being deleted by powerhungry volunteers who contribute nothing to the forum imo.
I just stated the obvious, that all traces in this case lead to Xenuria doing it himself or making someone else do it. You can delete this again if you want, it doesn't matter. The ISDs are already on my list of why I previously quit and am quitting again.
Go ahead, delete it. It's absolutely ridiculous.
Here, hold this bucket under your eyes.
EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now. |
Anslo
Scope Works
4958
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:16:00 -
[477] - Quote
DrSmegma wrote:I only activated my account for a month and it will expire again, halfly because I'm unsatisfied with the game, halfly because I'm unsatisfied with my posts being deleted by powerhungry volunteers who contribute nothing to the forum imo.
I just stated the obvious, that all traces in this case lead to Xenuria doing it himself or making someone else do it. You can delete this again if you want, it doesn't matter. The ISDs are already on my list of why I previously quit and am quitting again.
Go ahead, delete it. It's absolutely ridiculous.
Normally, I don't like seeing people leave Eve.
But given the nature of this thread and just about every single play style community uniting under one banner regarding this incident, all I can say is...
Get out, now.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1264
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:33:00 -
[478] - Quote
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category.
28. Please use the correct language when posting on the forums.
The default language for posting on the EVE Online forums is English. Please use English when posting as a courtesy to other forum users, unless the forum channel is specifically created for discussion in another language as part of our localized language specific sub-forums.
30. Abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers is prohibited.
CCP operate a zero tolerance policy on abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers. This includes but is not limited to personal attacks, trolling, GÇ£outingGÇ¥ of CCP employee or ISD volunteer player identities, and the use of any former player identities when referring to the aforementioned parties. Our forums are designed to be a place where players and developers can exchange ideas in a polite and friendly manner for the betterment of EVE Online. Players who attack or abuse employees of CCP, or ISD volunteers, will be permanently banned from the EVE Online forums across all their accounts with no recourse, and may also be subject to action against their game accounts. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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DrSmegma
Smegma United
72
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:34:00 -
[479] - Quote
I am willing to bet 4 billion ISK that Xenuria did it himself. I think Chribba should be the betting house. I don't really want to troll you. If I trolled you anyway, I'll probably edit it out as soon as the rage fades. |
Marsha Mallow
486
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:39:00 -
[480] - Quote
No, we just sacrifice people to Ezwal daily to keep him smiling. Your turn Smeg. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
13191
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:42:00 -
[481] - Quote
PLEX for PLEXIGLASS campaign.
Clear t-shirts will be required, and strategically placed logos for the ladies.... or not.. your choice really... Im good either way. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
DrSmegma
Smegma United
72
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:45:00 -
[482] - Quote
Ezwal? Isn't that the sad turd who works for free because he has nothing else to do with his life? I don't really want to troll you. If I trolled you anyway, I'll probably edit it out as soon as the rage fades. |
Dominous Nolen
The Predictables
28
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:45:00 -
[483] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote: Stealing the idea from my local graveyard maint. guys, in fact. They've started sealing text on grave markers with plexi, coz dimbulbs have been defacing headstone test for lulz.
+1 to this idea.
Glad to see you guys getting the local authorities involved in this matter. Absolutely disgusting behaviour
This is EVE, Not Hello Kitty: Island Adventure |
Artyom Estemaire
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:46:00 -
[484] - Quote
Sooo...this is all about the whole scracth thing right?
What happened to the Goon-sticker that somebody put on the monument? Was it removed?
Ninjaedit: Also great response CCP, please make sure this idiot gets caught. |
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:56:00 -
[485] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:So, there's a couple of things going to happen in this thread right now:
- First - People are going to stop pointing fingers and blaming people. CCP will investigate and take any action against game accounts, along with any legal action that we feel necessary. This is already in progress.
- Second - This is damage of public property in the City of Reykjavik. The police have been informed, and investigation is ongoing. This is not a laughing matter, and will be dealt with as a criminal offence. We are currently reviewing security footage from a number of surrounding buildings.
- Third - People will stop attacking the victim of this on our forums. It's not funny, it's not clever. Take your rumor mongering and personal attacks away from our community. If you choose not to, you'll be removed from the community, permanently. It's a simple as that. We will not tolerate victimization.
What's happened is absolutely disgusting. It's an insult to the entire community and is clearly the work a person who believes that behavior in a virtual world is a valid reason to make a real life personal attack on someone, and deface public property. We will not tolerate this. Thankfully we've already had a number of players come forward to assist us and provide information. Including, we believe, members of the person's own alliance. Thankfully the vast majority of the rest of the community are in the same frame of mind as CCP - disgusted at the fact that someone would do this, and we're extremely grateful for your assistance. With that in mind, I'll make a simple one time offer, that if the person who defaced the monument wants to come forward and contact me relating to this, then they can do so by EVE mailing my Dev character. If this happens, we'll take it as a gesture of good faith after an extremely stupid act that was committed. With this in mind, be sure to keep this thread on topic, and cut out the personal attacks and finger pointing. People who break the rules will lose their forum posting privileges. Permanently. Thanks.
Thanks for the update. Hopefully everything gets sorted and EVE can continue to grow and develop a strong community. My main has no ties with either of the parties involved and CCP I am sure already can see I have been posting from the states So no I am not trying to frame anyone. They know who my main is already.
But this whole thing that happened is one of the reasons I choose not to post on my main character. i did not wish to have my character name vandalized. However i am glad I made this post and to see how many people are supporting what ever actions CCP chooses to take.
CCP is making the right moves and it is good to see them taking such a strong stance on this matter and on victimizing.
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:59:00 -
[486] - Quote
Artyom Estemaire wrote:Sooo...this is all about the whole scracth thing right?
What happened to the Goon-sticker that somebody put on the monument? Was it removed?
Ninjaedit: Also great response CCP, please make sure this idiot gets caught.
The goon sticker was removed the same day without any harm done from what i have read. There is a thin line between a prank and vandalism both may be wrong only one cause real damage.
(Besides all the hurt feelings the Bee sticker caused) |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
441
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:04:00 -
[487] - Quote
All I can say is look at your fellow players, and tell me with a straight face you are surprised one of them did this? |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2335
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:06:00 -
[488] - Quote
Andski wrote:
Yeah so everyone saying that this stuff happens because CCP allows scamming or suicide ganking or whatever is just completely and utterly wrong.
There is an Eve character by the name of 'everyone'
Do you mean he said it was all to do with scamming and suicide ganking?
Or did you mean everyone in a more general sense, apart from all those who said no such thing?
Please explain your weird comment. This is not a signature. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21556
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:06:00 -
[489] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:All I can say is look at your fellow players, and tell me with a straight face you are surprised one of them did this? Well, there are these complete nutcases who can't stop screaming about sociopathy one minute, only to turn around and issue death threats the next, but aside from that maladjusted minority, most are just your average bunch of joyful nerds who (in secret) rather enjoy being part of the EVE community. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1730
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:11:00 -
[490] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:All I can say is look at your fellow players, and tell me with a straight face you are surprised one of them did this?
No fellow of mine did it. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1230
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:18:00 -
[491] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:All I can say is look at your fellow players, and tell me with a straight face you are surprised one of them did this? Absolutely.
Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á Soylent Green Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10647
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:21:00 -
[492] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Andski wrote:
Yeah so everyone saying that this stuff happens because CCP allows scamming or suicide ganking or whatever is just completely and utterly wrong.
There is an Eve character by the name of 'everyone'
Do you mean he said it was all to do with scamming and suicide ganking?
Or did you mean everyone in a more general sense, apart from all those who said no such thing?
Please explain your weird comment.
Let's break it down for you
Some people in this thread have been saying that these incidents are the result of CCP's permissive attitude towards "sociopathic behavior" in their game.
I assume that "sociopathic behavior" refers to suicide ganking and scamming.
Those people are wrong because the waitstaff, bartenders, bouncers, maitres d' and others who have hosted EVE fans in their bars, restaurants and hotels tend to only ever have good things to say about the Fanfest attendees who patronize their businesses. They're wrong because these incidents aren't the norm at Fanfest. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5795
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:21:00 -
[493] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:All I can say is look at your fellow players, and tell me with a straight face you are surprised one of them did this?
Yes. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Gabriel Z
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
36
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:22:00 -
[494] - Quote
He should have followed the sage advice of Ice Cube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aAbOgdbTbM
Checkkity check yoself, before you wreck yoself |
RoCkEt X
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
76
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:28:00 -
[495] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:So, given Xenuria's thirst for drama and attention; what are the chances he did it himself? He'd have to have pretty long arms considering he's from the US, and isn't in Iceland.
Falcon, i don't forum much, but this post is full of win. :D
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1231
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:30:00 -
[496] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote: tell me with a straight face Static portraits make excellent poker faces.
Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á Soylent Green Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Inter Vivos Trust Service
61
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:35:00 -
[497] - Quote
One of the great things about Eve is that, by and large, the community is civil and friendly once we take a step away from the game. Being a ruthless jerk is part of the game but once we're just talking person to person we're all buddies. Taking this sort of attitude out of the game and bringing it into RL (to vandalize what I view as a very meaningful representation of the greatness of the community) is just low. I don't know whether to be mad or sad about whoever is responsible. CCP is responding in exactly the way they should. "I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given."-á- Book of Reclaiming 22:13 |
ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
388
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:51:00 -
[498] - Quote
Who ever did this shameful act would have took time to look for the name so should show up on CCTV.
The toon Gelvon started in 2010 and Gelvon Goblin started in 2012, so the 'Real' Gelvon may or not be the scumbag who scratched the plate, but Gelvon Goblin I believe is innocent as he came forward.
CCP maybe looking for a ghost or not.
Shameful act anyway you look at it. You only-árealise you life has been a waste of time, when you wake up dead. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
442
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:53:00 -
[499] - Quote
Andski wrote:
Let's break it down for you
Some people in this thread have been saying that these incidents are the result of CCP's permissive attitude towards "sociopathic behavior" in their game.
I assume that "sociopathic behavior" refers to suicide ganking and scamming.
Might want to take a look at the response by eve players toward the dusties. There's a lot of 'I got mine, and you guys can go to hell' going on.
Andski wrote: Those people are wrong because the waitstaff, bartenders, bouncers, maitres d' and others who have hosted EVE fans in their bars, restaurants and hotels tend to only ever have good things to say about the Fanfest attendees who patronize their businesses. They're wrong because these incidents aren't the norm at Fanfest.
That isn't to say that these people would complain to CCP about Fanfest attendees doing bad things in their restaurants, but the people of Reykjavik are quite closely-knit and word of EVE fans tearing **** up in bars and restaurants or checking out of hotels with their rooms torn to shreds and their credit cards cancelled would get around quickly.
Remember, Jeffrey Dahmer's neighbors thought he was a great guy, too. Just because someone is a sociopath does not mean they walk down the street destroying all in their path and killing everyone they meet. Those guys get caught and dealt with fairly quickly.
Look at the utter lack of basic humanity shown by posters on this very board. The automatic response to personal tragedy and general bad **** happening to people is to ridicule and show near zero empathy. It's practically a breeding ground for anti-social behaviors.
So, no, it is absolutely NOT surprising that this happened. Bluntly, I'm surprised the vandalism was so restrained.
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Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
858
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:58:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Jeffrey Dahmer
Scratching a monument is *just like* being a serial killer.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
743
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:03:00 -
[501] - Quote
ISD Ezwal wrote:I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil! The Rules:4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category. 28. Please use the correct language when posting on the forums.
The default language for posting on the EVE Online forums is English. Please use English when posting as a courtesy to other forum users, unless the forum channel is specifically created for discussion in another language as part of our localized language specific sub-forums. 30. Abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers is prohibited.
CCP operate a zero tolerance policy on abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers. This includes but is not limited to personal attacks, trolling, GÇ£outingGÇ¥ of CCP employee or ISD volunteer player identities, and the use of any former player identities when referring to the aforementioned parties. Our forums are designed to be a place where players and developers can exchange ideas in a polite and friendly manner for the betterment of EVE Online. Players who attack or abuse employees of CCP, or ISD volunteers, will be permanently banned from the EVE Online forums across all their accounts with no recourse, and may also be subject to action against their game accounts. The list is getting longer. This starts to look like hard work. +1 for ISD Ezwal! Remove insurance. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
442
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:04:00 -
[502] - Quote
Rhes wrote: Scratching a monument is *just like* being a serial killer.
His argument was that Eve does not breed sociopathic behavior because no one trashed the bar and hotel.
Even the most extreme example, like a serial killer, can function like every day people until something sets them off. His argument is invalid. |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
862
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:06:00 -
[503] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Rhes wrote: Scratching a monument is *just like* being a serial killer.
His argument was that Eve does not breed sociopathic behavior because no one trashed the bar and hotel. Even the most extreme example, like a serial killer, can function like every day people until something sets them off. His argument is invalid. Where did you get your psychology degree? EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5798
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:08:00 -
[504] - Quote
Rhes wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Rhes wrote: Scratching a monument is *just like* being a serial killer.
His argument was that Eve does not breed sociopathic behavior because no one trashed the bar and hotel. Even the most extreme example, like a serial killer, can function like every day people until something sets them off. His argument is invalid. Where did you get your psychology degree?
My guess is a Claw Machine. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1731
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:09:00 -
[505] - Quote
I'm speechless. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1234
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:13:00 -
[506] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Rhes wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Rhes wrote: Scratching a monument is *just like* being a serial killer.
His argument was that Eve does not breed sociopathic behavior because no one trashed the bar and hotel. Even the most extreme example, like a serial killer, can function like every day people until something sets them off. His argument is invalid. Where did you get your psychology degree? My guess is a Claw Machine. collect 10 crisp packets Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á Soylent Green Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Marsha Mallow
488
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:19:00 -
[507] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Rhes wrote: Scratching a monument is *just like* being a serial killer.
His argument was that Eve does not breed sociopathic behavior because no one trashed the bar and hotel. Even the most extreme example, like a serial killer, can function like every day people until something sets them off, and even then don't usually just go berserk and start a killing spree. Erm, you do realise making statements like this make you look like you are completely off your ****, right? It isn't the weekend, this is unacceptable to those of us who can't join in because have to get up early in the morning. And there's a subforum for that TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
330
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:05:00 -
[508] - Quote
What a monumental act of assery. I wonder if they've scratched the surface of this crime yet. Additional pun. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "LIVE FAST DIE." - traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed] |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9563
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:12:00 -
[509] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Rhes wrote: Scratching a monument is *just like* being a serial killer.
His argument was that Eve does not breed sociopathic behavior because no one trashed the bar and hotel. Even the most extreme example, like a serial killer, can function like every day people until something sets them off, and even then don't usually just go berserk and start a killing spree. What the ****, man? "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
443
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:15:00 -
[510] - Quote
Marsha Mallow wrote: Erm, you do realise making statements like this make you look like you are completely off your ****, right?
Not really. Look, people with serious social issues don't all walk around with a big sign on them that reads 'psycho'. Saying 'Well, they didn't go apescat and smash the place up and were very polite to the waiter' doesn't actually mean anything. You guys can sit there and be as rude and insulting as you like, it doesn't make it any less true. |
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Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
3
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:27:00 -
[511] - Quote
digi wrote:Can someone confirm timestamps between the Tweet and the start of this thread? It looks like 7 minutes to me but I could be wrong.
It was close. The Facebook thread was first I believe -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1267
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:57:00 -
[512] - Quote
I again had to remove some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. Please people, keep it civil. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
443
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:10:00 -
[513] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote: What the ****, man?
After the whole thing with Erotica, it surprises you that you might have actual sociopaths among you?
Eve has had in game behaviors like this for years. They actively encourage it. But the idea that players might act out on it in real life shocks you?
History time, kiddies.
Goons (and not just those in 'goon swarm', but the entire extended goon family all the way back to Something Awful) have been dancing with the possibility of real world repercussions for years. Hell, your illustrious founder has received more death threats than Fidel Castro.
To be honest, the fact that more of you have not suffered some sort of real world repercussions, especially those foolish enough to have had their real names and faces published, is surprising. Particularly with things like the time the Second Life branch of goons, for example, had the delightful sense of taste to create an entire replica of the burning World Trade Center towers, complete with falling bodies, according to Wired.
Do you think that sort of Karma does not eventually come back around to bite you, somehow? |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2809
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:13:00 -
[514] - Quote
Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:We all know lots of players in EVE are jerks in game. Over the past five years I would find my self asking how much of it do they carry outside the game? https://twitter.com/The_Real_Gevlon/status/463002069989736448I think this pretty much sums it up. vandalizing the monument is way overboard. These are "adults" doing this really pretty sad. I think if it is found out who the player(s) are they are vandalizing the monument the related EVE accounts should be perma ban. And as well as punished based on the countries laws of vandalism. Poor taste.
Xenuria Alt spotted. |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
373
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:32:00 -
[515] - Quote
Wow...this is about as low as you can sink. In game I hate tons of people, corps, and alliances; however, out of game, I really dont have a passionate hate for them. I consider eve real, but this goes beyond the spirit of the game. Yes, kill and blow someone elses stuff up in game, steal it, make them cry, but when it comes to RL...thats crossing the line.
I hope CCP can get that name repaired on the monument, everyone deserves to have their name there. I agree with the sentiment of others though, if found responsible who ever did this should be perma-banned. If you can not respect the community out of game, then this obviously is not a game for you. |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
694
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:53:00 -
[516] - Quote
As to who did this?
it was ISD Ezwal in the bonus room with mayonnaise.
Just saying, the truth should not be swept under the carpet by forum moderation. Concord Approved Trader |
DHuncan
Minerva Group
13
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:53:00 -
[517] - Quote
Why are you so surprised? EvE is above all a deep game. Yet 80% of the players never will know as they are only able to see they can grief and seek victory in 'colecting tears'. Tears are not a value in market, not betters your dps, nor... anything at all in game. It affects the feelings of the other persone who feels grieved, sometimes a lot.
I know so many times this has being discused and even fought. But the point here is not in game but irl, the kind op people is playing EvE and why are they attracted to it.
I started playing in 2008 and I have seen this game getting worse and worse at the player base no matter the tremendous efforts from CCP to create an incredible scy-fi universe for us to inhabit, conquer, warfare or the miriad of activities possible only here.
Nope, I am not surprised at all because of what this subnormals did to the monument. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41496&find=unread
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Belt Scout
Forum alts make you mad
364
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:55:00 -
[518] - Quote
One way or the other, we need to try and keep the monument intact. Someday, it may be found by an advanced species. EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18208
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:15:00 -
[519] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:All I can say is look at your fellow players, and tell me with a straight face you are surprised one of them did this? I'm more than surprised, I'm shocked.
I hope CCP come down on the person who did it like a ton of bricks, from a very great height.
Never go full Ripard |
Rainbow Dash
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
115
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:19:00 -
[520] - Quote
DHuncan wrote:Why are you so surprised? EvE is above all a deep game. Yet 80% of the players never will know as they are only able to see they can grief and seek victory in 'colecting tears'. Tears are not a value in market, not betters your dps, nor... anything at all in game. It affects the feelings of the other persone who feels grieved, sometimes a lot.
I know so many times this has being discused and even fought. But the point here is not in game but irl, the kind op people is playing EvE and why are they attracted to it.
I started playing in 2008 and I have seen this game getting worse and worse at the player base no matter the tremendous efforts from CCP to create an incredible scy-fi universe for us to inhabit, conquer, warfare or the miriad of activities possible only here.
Nope, I am not surprised at all because of what this subnormals did to the monument.
You clearly have never been to a player gathering if you think this is what the eve fanbase is like. |
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Astenion
The Scope Gallente Federation
377
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:22:00 -
[521] - Quote
Ha! I love The Mittani's voiced disgust on that Twitter post, because we all know he's a man of such high moral fiber.
Yes, it's vandalism. No, it shouldn't have happened. Yes, it's a **** move.
Any word on how much that real life e-peen monument cost to build? Like someone said before, it's a monument to a bank account dressed up as an homage to players. Personally, I'd rather have WiS and new shiny ships than a monument. I'm sure some people let go after that 20 million euro loss would rather have jobs, too.
The point is that the focus here should be the fact that an Eve player committed an act of vandalism at Fanfest, not that an Eve player committed an act of vandalism on a phallic e-peen video game monument. All these comments like, "Oh, you're such a horrible person" and "You should be beaten severely" are just as ridiculous. Get over yourselves and your bleeding hearts. Someone scratched someone's name out on a chunk of metal, and while it's rude, classless, and petty, people are rude, classless, and petty every single day. Go to any major city and see graffiti ruining facades of historic, MEANINGFUL landmarks and cultural treasures. It's a travesty.
This is not. This is a crime, and should be dealt with as such. People have made other people literally cry in Eve, yet we all love "the tears". Scratch someone's name on a monument, post it on Twitter, and people will actually call you the famous German dictator. Go ahead...check it out...it's in the comment section of the Twitter post.
Let's get this straight: it's fine to torment people in-game to the point of tears or extreme bouts of rage, yet scratch someone's name out on a monument (again, it's a crime...but you're treating it as a crime against humanity) and all of a sudden you're outraged and all take the moral high ground.
Got it. |
JC Anderson
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1080
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:31:00 -
[522] - Quote
Astenion wrote:
Any word on how much that real life e-peen monument cost to build?
The build cost isn't the half of it.
They hired Sigurdur Gudmundsson to create it, and he isn't just some unknown nobody of an artist. I don't even want to try and guesstimate how much they had to pay him. |
NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
839
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:53:00 -
[523] - Quote
Lets add another bit During pub crawl I tried to snag one of the sweet polar beer hats (seriously did you guys tack weld those things to your skulls?) I ended up gettng my arm jammed out of socket, a submission hold, some one trying to choke me in a restraint, a rather sizable bruise on my arm and a shaved knuckle
I ended up being tracked down and apologized to by the hat defenders the next day.
So here is something that by all rights they acted as they should in defending their leader's hat and they came and managed to find and apologize to me.
And you say its normal to deface property from this?
Incidentally the airplane seats did more damage and I am currently restricted in how my back moves due to that zero g harnesses when?
Oh and the punch to the head QI got when I started switching peoples hats when they went for the flags
I think I have a thing for hats when I drink Still beat most of you though with the not having a hangover bit despite drinking more tequila than you |
DHuncan
Minerva Group
13
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:59:00 -
[524] - Quote
Rainbow Dash wrote:DHuncan wrote:Why are you so surprised? EvE is above all a deep game. Yet 80% of the players never will know as they are only able to see they can grief and seek victory in 'colecting tears'. Tears are not a value in market, not betters your dps, nor... anything at all in game. It affects the feelings of the other persone who feels grieved, sometimes a lot.
I know so many times this has being discused and even fought. But the point here is not in game but irl, the kind op people is playing EvE and why are they attracted to it.
I started playing in 2008 and I have seen this game getting worse and worse at the player base no matter the tremendous efforts from CCP to create an incredible scy-fi universe for us to inhabit, conquer, warfare or the miriad of activities possible only here.
Nope, I am not surprised at all because of what this subnormals did to the monument. You clearly have never been to a player gathering if you think this is what the eve fanbase is like.
No, I have not and I am aiming only to who I am aiming. Mybe there is only a 10% of those then? Ok, no problem, I take it back. I dont mean missrespect to the player base as a whole. But still too many to (almost) ruin what I consider a wonderfull creation. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41496&find=unread
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Space Juden
Supermassive Potato Pancake
84
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Posted - 2014.05.06 01:18:00 -
[525] - Quote
I could not care less about this, but am enjoying reading about how much you people do as I pet my dog. |
Xenuria
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
845
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Posted - 2014.05.06 01:18:00 -
[526] - Quote
NEONOVUS wrote:Lets add another bit During pub crawl I tried to snag one of the sweet polar beer hats (seriously did you guys tack weld those things to your skulls?) I ended up gettng my arm jammed out of socket, a submission hold, some one trying to choke me in a restraint, a rather sizable bruise on my arm and a shaved knuckle
I ended up being tracked down and apologized to by the hat defenders the next day.
So here is something that by all rights they acted as they should in defending their leader's hat and they came and managed to find and apologize to me.
And you say its normal to deface property from this?
Incidentally the airplane seats did more damage and I am currently restricted in how my back moves due to that zero g harnesses when?
Oh and the punch to the head QI got when I started switching peoples hats when they went for the flags
I think I have a thing for hats when I drink Still beat most of you though with the not having a hangover bit despite drinking more tequila than you
Yes.... those airplane seats.
I am 6'4" and have a very high sensitivity to pain, those cramped in seats where not fun. On the way back I got special seating that gave me the leg room I needed to not feel like I was being shipped as a product. I remember seeing Le Mittani Face on the plane. I said hi to him and mentioned that I was comfortable in the new seats. He gave an awkward smile and turn around facing his back to me. He does that sometimes, lol... CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
Nyphur
Pillowsoft
12
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Posted - 2014.05.06 01:21:00 -
[527] - Quote
Visited the monument at about 6PM on the 5th to find my name and there's a bunch of scratches around it ( http://media.fyre.co/fTAYkHPlTqk6TfYP2bjL_nyphur.jpg ). It looks accidental though and it'll probably buff out, I'm just annoyed at myself for not getting a photo earlier before it was scratched up. How hard is it to scratch anodized aluminium? |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5371
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Posted - 2014.05.06 01:25:00 -
[528] - Quote
Nyphur wrote:How hard is it to scratch anodized aluminium?
What you did there, Doc sees it.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Xenuria
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
845
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Posted - 2014.05.06 01:25:00 -
[529] - Quote
Nyphur wrote:Visited the monument at about 6PM on the 5th to find my name and there's a bunch of scratches around it ( http://media.fyre.co/fTAYkHPlTqk6TfYP2bjL_nyphur.jpg ). It looks accidental though and it'll probably buff out, I'm just annoyed at myself for not getting a photo earlier before it was scratched up. How hard is it to scratch anodized aluminium?
Why are people so careless?
If I had attended I would have made it a point to bring a towel with me if I planned on sitting on the base. This way nothing on my person would damage said base. This is common sense to me but I guess I could see how it might not be to others. There needs to be something to better protect the monument from these kinds of abrasions. I am not wise when it comes to metals, except that I am pretty good at Eco-locating them in the dark. CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
374
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Posted - 2014.05.06 01:42:00 -
[530] - Quote
Astenion wrote:Ha! I love The Mittani's voiced disgust on that Twitter post, because we all know he's a man of such high moral fiber.
Yes, it's vandalism. No, it shouldn't have happened. Yes, it's a **** move.
Any word on how much that real life e-peen monument cost to build? Like someone said before, it's a monument to a bank account dressed up as an homage to players. Personally, I'd rather have WiS and new shiny ships than a monument. I'm sure some people let go after that 20 million euro loss would rather have jobs, too.
The point is that the focus here should be the fact that an Eve player committed an act of vandalism at Fanfest, not that an Eve player committed an act of vandalism on a phallic e-peen video game monument. All these comments like, "Oh, you're such a horrible person" and "You should be beaten severely" are just as ridiculous. Get over yourselves and your bleeding hearts. Someone scratched someone's name out on a chunk of metal, and while it's rude, classless, and petty, people are rude, classless, and petty every single day. Go to any major city and see graffiti ruining facades of historic, MEANINGFUL landmarks and cultural treasures. It's a travesty.
This is not. This is a crime, and should be dealt with as such. People have made other people literally cry in Eve, yet we all love "the tears". Scratch someone's name on a monument, post it on Twitter, and people will actually call you the famous German dictator. Go ahead...check it out...it's in the comment section of the Twitter post.
Let's get this straight: it's fine to torment people in-game to the point of tears or extreme bouts of rage, yet scratch someone's name out on a monument (again, it's a crime...but you're treating it as a crime against humanity) and all of a sudden you're outraged and all take the moral high ground.
Got it.
Let CCP clean it up and charge the guy who did it. Everyone else should save their ever-present outrage and go blow up more spaceships. "It's just the internet" doesn't apply anymore. Being a **** is being a ****, wherever you are.
What defines a MEANINGFUL landmark is relative to how the person feels about it. For example, I may not give two ***** about the Statue of Liberty, but some one else may see it in a more personally meaningful way. It isn't my place or anyone else to say otherwise. We all take different landmarks and monuments differently than others.
Yes it is a crime, but to the people who this monument commemorates its is indeed an insult to their accomplishments. As said, it isn't for you to define if this is indeed meaningful or not, and if it really bothers you that much that others do, then the solution seems quite simple...ignore it.
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
444
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Posted - 2014.05.06 01:59:00 -
[531] - Quote
Octoven wrote:
What defines a MEANINGFUL landmark is relative to how the person feels about it. For example, I may not give two ***** about the Statue of Liberty, but some one else may see it in a more personally meaningful way. It isn't my place or anyone else to say otherwise. We all take different landmarks and monuments differently than others.
Yes it is a crime, but to the people who this monument commemorates its is indeed an insult to their accomplishments. As said, it isn't for you to define if this is indeed meaningful or not, and if it really bothers you that much that others do, then the solution seems quite simple...ignore it.
Can you imagine if someone really did serious damage to it? Not just scratched it, blew it sky high. I can see the headlines:
'Eve Monument Ganked, Greifer tells CCP/Judge 'HTFU'.' |
Sushi Nardieu
Collapsed Out Shadow Cartel
247
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Posted - 2014.05.06 02:06:00 -
[532] - Quote
I am disgusted by this behavior from this vandal.
Wish CCP a swift resolution to this case. The Guns of Knowledge-á |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
875
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Posted - 2014.05.06 02:08:00 -
[533] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Can you imagine if someone really did serious damage to it? Not just scratched it, blew it sky high. I can see the headlines:
'Eve Monument Ganked, Greifer tells CCP/Judge 'HTFU'.'
Scratching a monument is *just like* a terrorist attack.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
LiKuei
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2014.05.06 02:28:00 -
[534] - Quote
Someone added content to the monument> COOL!!!! It is an object, nobody actually got hurt. HTFU all you White Knights saying someone committed a crime. Really ... WOW ... HTFU!!!!! |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
445
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Posted - 2014.05.06 03:07:00 -
[535] - Quote
Rhes wrote: Scratching a monument is *just like* a terrorist attack.
I wrote a lengthy thing about how you were wrong, but realized ISD would freak with that much explosives information on the forums.
In an nutshell, the sort of thing a terrorist would use wouldn't have much effect on it, it would take specialized equipment. Iceland being what it is, there's not a whole lot of explosives and their precursors floating around. |
NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
839
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Posted - 2014.05.06 03:09:00 -
[536] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Rhes wrote: Scratching a monument is *just like* a terrorist attack.
I wrote a lengthy thing about how you were wrong, but realized ISD would freak with that much explosives information on the forums. In an nutshell, the sort of thing a terrorist would use wouldn't have much effect on it, it would take specialized equipment. Iceland being what it is, there's not a whole lot of explosives and their precursors floating around. I saw a tacobell, thats enough Also arent there plenty of fermenting foods? What if the monument is over a forgotten shark? |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3605
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Posted - 2014.05.06 03:14:00 -
[537] - Quote
Nyphur wrote:How hard is it to scratch anodized aluminium?
Not hard at all. Aluminium is a very soft material - it's about a 3 on the Mohs scale - you can cut it with kitchen scissors. Aluminium oxide is much harder at about 8.5-9 Mohs, but it's a thin layer anchored in unoxidized aluminium, which will give way more easily. Meanwhile, The stainless steel keys pretty much everybody carries in their pocket on the other hand are more like a 5 or 6. the same goes for the rivets in your jeans, your nickel-steel belt buckle, or heck a common piece of grit or gravel stuck in your shoe.
So, anodized Aluminium wasn't chosen for its hardness: it was chosen for its corrosion-resistance. Iceland is a wet country and freezing cold a lot of the time. Also, the monument is parked right next to the ocean and there is NOTHING quite like salt water for reliably corroding things. Rust is a landscape feature where the sea is involved.
A few scuffs and abrasions won't badly reduce the legibility of the names, but corroding away into a mess of mineral salts and oxides would ruin all the plates, and surprisingly fast.
While there probably IS something out there that could resist both the salt-water splashing of a high tide in bad weather AND the clothing of people closely inspecting the monument (or of idiots who think their internet spaceships vendetta is worth vandalising a public monument for), I doubt that substance is inexpensive.
Although it would be kind of fitting to have made the plates out of Titanium Diboride just like a Caldari ship, I guess. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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LiKuei
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Carribean Queen
Vadimus Quarrier Works The Big Dirty
22
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Posted - 2014.05.06 03:22:00 -
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Here's another idea as well.
CCP, would it be possible to have a Digital version of the Monument INSIDE OF EVE? One that can't be locked or shot at for people in game to come visit since we can't come to Iceland? |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
445
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Posted - 2014.05.06 03:47:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote: I saw a tacobell, thats enough Also arent there plenty of fermenting foods? What if the monument is over a forgotten shark?
That would be terrorism. That'd definitely be classed as a biological attack.
In all seriousness, not really. It'd take something with some penetrating power. |
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Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
3
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Posted - 2014.05.06 03:51:00 -
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Carribean Queen wrote:Here's another idea as well.
CCP, would it be possible to have a Digital version of the Monument INSIDE OF EVE? One that can't be locked or shot at for people in game to come visit since we can't come to Iceland?
You knoq CCP a digital that would be a crazy idea. I mean you did a great monumnet for the first titan pop and an even better one for B-5R what about something like this. A 1.0 system that allows no combat just for a tribute to the players and of EVE. Something different and very large where you could type in your name and warp to it. I maybe asking too much but this is a great idea. -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
3
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Posted - 2014.05.06 03:54:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Nyphur wrote:How hard is it to scratch anodized aluminium? Not hard at all. Aluminium is a very soft material - it's about a 3 on the Mohs scale - you can cut it with kitchen scissors. Aluminium oxide is much harder at about 8.5-9 Mohs, but it's a thin layer anchored in unoxidized aluminium, which will give way more easily. Meanwhile, The stainless steel keys pretty much everybody carries in their pocket on the other hand are more like a 5 or 6. the same goes for the rivets in your jeans, your nickel-steel belt buckle, or heck a common piece of grit or gravel stuck in your shoe. So, anodized Aluminium wasn't chosen for its hardness: it was chosen for its corrosion-resistance. Iceland is a wet country and freezing cold a lot of the time. Also, the monument is parked right next to the ocean and there is NOTHING quite like salt water for reliably corroding things. Rust is a landscape feature where the sea is involved. A few scuffs and abrasions won't badly reduce the legibility of the names, but corroding away into a mess of mineral salts and oxides would ruin all the plates, and surprisingly fast. While there probably IS something out there that could resist both the salt-water splashing of a high tide in bad weather AND the clothing of people closely inspecting the monument (or of idiots who think their internet spaceships vendetta is worth vandalising a public monument for), I doubt that substance is inexpensive. Although it would be kind of fitting to have made the plates out of Titanium Diboride just like a Caldari ship, I guess.
Also not extremely expensive compared to other anti-corrosion metals right? -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
445
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Posted - 2014.05.06 03:55:00 -
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Shurgin Ambraelle wrote:Carribean Queen wrote:Here's another idea as well.
CCP, would it be possible to have a Digital version of the Monument INSIDE OF EVE? One that can't be locked or shot at for people in game to come visit since we can't come to Iceland? You knoq CCP a digital that would be a crazy idea. I mean you did a great monumnet for the first titan pop and an even better one for B-5R what about something like this. A 1.0 system that allows no combat just for a tribute to the players and of EVE. Something different and very large where you could type in your name and warp to it. I maybe asking too much but this is a great idea.
Put it outside the ten year station. |
Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
3
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Posted - 2014.05.06 04:18:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Shurgin Ambraelle wrote:Carribean Queen wrote:Here's another idea as well.
CCP, would it be possible to have a Digital version of the Monument INSIDE OF EVE? One that can't be locked or shot at for people in game to come visit since we can't come to Iceland? You knoq CCP a digital that would be a crazy idea. I mean you did a great monumnet for the first titan pop and an even better one for B-5R what about something like this. A 1.0 system that allows no combat just for a tribute to the players and of EVE. Something different and very large where you could type in your name and warp to it. I maybe asking too much but this is a great idea. Put it outside the ten year station.
I like your thinking. Or in a system all by itself. Accessable by 4 jump gates. 1 in each races space. -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
446
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Posted - 2014.05.06 04:23:00 -
[545] - Quote
Shurgin Ambraelle wrote:
I like your thinking. Or in a system all by itself. Accessable by 4 jump gates. 1 in each races space.
You just described Yulai before the gate changes. |
Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
3
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Posted - 2014.05.06 04:27:00 -
[546] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Shurgin Ambraelle wrote:
I like your thinking. Or in a system all by itself. Accessable by 4 jump gates. 1 in each races space.
You just described Yulai before the gate changes.
I call that a Fail and a Win.. Maybe even by Wormwholes that are beaconed. -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2922
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Posted - 2014.05.06 05:03:00 -
[547] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Octoven wrote:
What defines a MEANINGFUL landmark is relative to how the person feels about it. For example, I may not give two ***** about the Statue of Liberty, but some one else may see it in a more personally meaningful way. It isn't my place or anyone else to say otherwise. We all take different landmarks and monuments differently than others.
Yes it is a crime, but to the people who this monument commemorates its is indeed an insult to their accomplishments. As said, it isn't for you to define if this is indeed meaningful or not, and if it really bothers you that much that others do, then the solution seems quite simple...ignore it.
Can you imagine if someone really did serious damage to it? Not just scratched it, blew it sky high. I can see the headlines: 'Eve Monument Ganked, Greifer tells CCP/Judge 'HTFU'.'
It's the monument's own fault for not flying aligned, or did not fit a tank. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
742
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Posted - 2014.05.06 05:07:00 -
[548] - Quote
On another tab i'm reading about some awful things happening to people in Syria. Then i click back to here and refresh, as posts arrive. The contrast is simply incredible.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
571
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Posted - 2014.05.06 05:25:00 -
[549] - Quote
Stitcher wrote:Nyphur wrote:How hard is it to scratch anodized aluminium? snip While there probably IS something out there that could resist both the salt-water splashing of a high tide in bad weather AND the clothing of people closely inspecting the monument (or of idiots who think their internet spaceships vendetta is worth vandalising a public monument for), I doubt that substance is inexpensive.
The substance is called glass
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
208
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Posted - 2014.05.06 05:28:00 -
[550] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Octoven wrote:
What defines a MEANINGFUL landmark is relative to how the person feels about it. For example, I may not give two ***** about the Statue of Liberty, but some one else may see it in a more personally meaningful way. It isn't my place or anyone else to say otherwise. We all take different landmarks and monuments differently than others.
Yes it is a crime, but to the people who this monument commemorates its is indeed an insult to their accomplishments. As said, it isn't for you to define if this is indeed meaningful or not, and if it really bothers you that much that others do, then the solution seems quite simple...ignore it.
Can you imagine if someone really did serious damage to it? Not just scratched it, blew it sky high. I can see the headlines: 'Eve Monument Ganked, Greifer tells CCP/Judge 'HTFU'.' It's the monument's own fault for not flying aligned, or did not fit a tank.
The inability of some people to differentiate between spaceship pixels in an online video game and a public monument in real life continues to astound. "EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler |
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Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
3
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Posted - 2014.05.06 05:33:00 -
[551] - Quote
Galen Darksmith wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Octoven wrote:
What defines a MEANINGFUL landmark is relative to how the person feels about it. For example, I may not give two ***** about the Statue of Liberty, but some one else may see it in a more personally meaningful way. It isn't my place or anyone else to say otherwise. We all take different landmarks and monuments differently than others.
Yes it is a crime, but to the people who this monument commemorates its is indeed an insult to their accomplishments. As said, it isn't for you to define if this is indeed meaningful or not, and if it really bothers you that much that others do, then the solution seems quite simple...ignore it.
Can you imagine if someone really did serious damage to it? Not just scratched it, blew it sky high. I can see the headlines: 'Eve Monument Ganked, Greifer tells CCP/Judge 'HTFU'.' It's the monument's own fault for not flying aligned, or did not fit a tank. The inability of some people to differentiate between spaceship pixels in an online video game and a public monument in real life continues to astound.
You have to admit that was pretty funny. -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
744
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Posted - 2014.05.06 05:40:00 -
[552] - Quote
Carribean Queen wrote:Here's another idea as well.
CCP, would it be possible to have a Digital version of the Monument INSIDE OF EVE? One that can't be locked or shot at for people in game to come visit since we can't come to Iceland? They should put it in a hall in a Concord station and unlock the door in that station. Remove insurance. |
Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
3
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Posted - 2014.05.06 05:42:00 -
[553] - Quote
Mara Pahrdi wrote:Carribean Queen wrote:Here's another idea as well.
CCP, would it be possible to have a Digital version of the Monument INSIDE OF EVE? One that can't be locked or shot at for people in game to come visit since we can't come to Iceland? They should put it in a hall in a Concord station and unlock the door in that station.
Walking in stations... coming soon to a century near you... too soon? -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18211
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Posted - 2014.05.06 05:45:00 -
[554] - Quote
Mara Pahrdi wrote:Carribean Queen wrote:Here's another idea as well.
CCP, would it be possible to have a Digital version of the Monument INSIDE OF EVE? One that can't be locked or shot at for people in game to come visit since we can't come to Iceland? They should put it in a hall in a Concord station and unlock the door in that station. The Concord Station in Reykjav+¡k
Never go full Ripard |
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
208
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Posted - 2014.05.06 05:47:00 -
[555] - Quote
Shurgin Ambraelle wrote:Galen Darksmith wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Octoven wrote:
What defines a MEANINGFUL landmark is relative to how the person feels about it. For example, I may not give two ***** about the Statue of Liberty, but some one else may see it in a more personally meaningful way. It isn't my place or anyone else to say otherwise. We all take different landmarks and monuments differently than others.
Yes it is a crime, but to the people who this monument commemorates its is indeed an insult to their accomplishments. As said, it isn't for you to define if this is indeed meaningful or not, and if it really bothers you that much that others do, then the solution seems quite simple...ignore it.
Can you imagine if someone really did serious damage to it? Not just scratched it, blew it sky high. I can see the headlines: 'Eve Monument Ganked, Greifer tells CCP/Judge 'HTFU'.' It's the monument's own fault for not flying aligned, or did not fit a tank. The inability of some people to differentiate between spaceship pixels in an online video game and a public monument in real life continues to astound. You have to admit that was pretty funny.
It would have been a decent quip from anyone who didn't actually think that the situations were comparable, sure.
"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
448
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Posted - 2014.05.06 06:24:00 -
[556] - Quote
Galen Darksmith wrote: It would have been a decent quip from anyone who didn't actually think that the situations were comparable, sure.
To be blunt: real murders have happened for things that happened in online games. (The Legend of Mir 3 stabbing death immediately springs to mind)
Minor vandalism? So what?
The funniest part is that so many of you seem shocked by the idea. Let me ask you a question, did it ever occur to any of you that spending so much time coming up with new and exciting ways to be the biggest **** possible to other people might not be healthy? That it might lead to people doing questionable things in real life? |
Audrey UntzUntz
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.05.06 06:31:00 -
[557] - Quote
Feel bad for CCP. Don't feel bad for the dirtbag troll who doesn't deserve to be on the wall to begin with. |
Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
99
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Posted - 2014.05.06 06:33:00 -
[558] - Quote
[Kaarous Aldurald wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Lephia DeGrande wrote:Ha! What a fine Community we have! Right? ... One that scratches names, (allegedly) feigns twitter accounts to blame it on others, lots of hate and distrust, puts out quick verdicts ... yes, that sounds very much exactly like what CCP wants EVE to be. so, why is everyone complaining? Because this isn't EVE. Don't bother, James. Carebears can't separate the game from real life. To them, every lost pixel is a dagger in their poor hearts. Everything you need to know about Rivr Luzade you can learn from his post at the bottom of the second page of this thread.
Now Now Kaarous, don't tar all us carebears as blinkered characters who don't know that when we log off, the game is finished. The majority of the community will agree that this act is not acceptable, a smaller minority will troll because...well just because they can and will get bites from the fish. An even smaller minority will take pleasure in what was done.
Let's not drag the whole carebear vs PVP'er into this and leave it as what it is...some twit that makes the community of Eve look bad. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18212
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Posted - 2014.05.06 06:34:00 -
[559] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Galen Darksmith wrote: It would have been a decent quip from anyone who didn't actually think that the situations were comparable, sure.
To be blunt: real murders have happened for things that happened in online games. (The Legend of Mir 3 stabbing death immediately springs to mind) Minor vandalism? So what? The funniest part is that so many of you seem shocked by the idea. Let me ask you a question, did it ever occur to any of you that spending so much time coming up with new and exciting ways to be the biggest **** possible to other people might not be healthy? That it might lead to people doing questionable things in real life? People are shocked because the majority of us are responsible adults when we're not busy backstabbing or otherwise screwing each other over in a virtual world.
Sure there's going to be the odd fruit cake that takes ingame grievances out of game, we're no different from any other gaming community in that respect, but the fruitcakes are the minority, not the majority.
Being an arse in game != being one in real life for most people.
Never go full Ripard |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
448
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Posted - 2014.05.06 06:52:00 -
[560] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:People are shocked because the majority of us are responsible adults when we're not busy backstabbing or otherwise screwing each other over in a virtual world.
Sure there's going to be the odd fruit cake that takes ingame grievances out of game, we're no different from any other gaming community in that respect, but the fruitcakes are the minority, not the majority.
Being an arse in game != being one in real life for most people.
I think it would be interesting if we could get a look at the number of players who have left the game due to arrest and conviction for crimes. I think that a lot of you might be surprised, if what I personally think would be the case turns out to be true. |
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JC Anderson
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1080
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Posted - 2014.05.06 06:53:00 -
[561] - Quote
I've seen many comments as to the fact that they don't see why anybody is making a big deal out of this, and have also expressed that they find it absurd that anybody thinks the individual who did it should face criminal charges.
The act was indeed criminal, and the perpetrator deserves to face the full consequence of his or her childish and selfish act of vandalism.
1. The monument, which sits within Reykjavik harbor was donated to and now owned by the city. This alone means that the crime in itself is even worse than had it been a simple case of vandalizing CCP's private property.
2. The monument not only has the names of those alive and active within the game, but includes capsuleers that have passed away in the real world under various circumstances. Even though the name scratched off of the monument is not one of these individuals, the offense is still just the same by the simple fact that they ARE ON IT and part of it as a whole. It wouldn't be a stretch to think that some of these people have friends and family that are in fact upset over this.
And they have every right to be if that is the case.
3. The monument was designed by the renowned artist Sigurdur Gudmundsson. Whether you agree with the artistic direction he went with or not, the fact remains that there was an enormous amount of creative effort that went into it. Also related to this is the value of the creation in itself as a work of art by an artist who's work often brings in fairly large amounts of money both in auctions and when purchased directly from a gallery. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, the amount of money that went into hiring Sigurdur Gudmundsson as well as the build costs itself is likely quite a large sum.
4. And finally we should really stop looking at this as an act against Xenuria alone. Yes, that may have been the only name scratched off of it, but the end result is a slight against every single name listed. It is a single work of art, and not just a collection of individual names on a hunk of metal. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18213
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Posted - 2014.05.06 07:09:00 -
[562] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:I think it would be interesting if we could get a look at the number of players who have left the game due to arrest and conviction for crimes. I think that a lot of you might be surprised, if what I personally think would be the case turns out to be true. I obviously think a lot more of the Eve community, and its members, than you do.
Which says something about both of us.
Never go full Ripard |
Solecist Project's Alt
Wildly Inept Pacifists
57
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Posted - 2014.05.06 07:11:00 -
[563] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:On another tab i'm reading about some awful things happening to people in Syria. Then i click back to here and refresh, as posts arrive. The contrast is simply incredible.
It's not legitimite to judge the people this way.
It's not #FirstWorldProblems.
Recognize the fact that Reykjaviks property intentionally got damaged and there is a cost involved in the repairment of this property.
It was theirs.
It's simply not a good thing to do. For the people of Reykjavic it's probably a big deal!
So why not for us too? We're all mentioned on the statue!*
Besides ... what should we do anyway?
(except Erotica 1. Hahahahahaahahahaha xD)* |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
375
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Posted - 2014.05.06 07:12:00 -
[564] - Quote
Shurgin Ambraelle wrote:Carribean Queen wrote:Here's another idea as well.
CCP, would it be possible to have a Digital version of the Monument INSIDE OF EVE? One that can't be locked or shot at for people in game to come visit since we can't come to Iceland? You know CCP a digital memorial, now that would be a crazy idea. I mean you did a great monumnet for the first titan pop and an even better one for B-5R what about something like this. A 1.0 system that allows no combat just for a tribute to the players and of EVE. Something different and very large where you could type in your name and warp to it. I maybe asking too much but this is a great idea.
A scale in which I think you are going with this would be pretty huge lol essentially your name would be about the size of a shuttle. Given the amount of names on a plate x the number of plates needed, you are looking at one massive object in space to render. it would make a station look like a pod sitting next to a titan
I wouldn't mind having a room inside a station, possibly that station that 10 yr vets could dock at which never got built, be made available. Or as someone suggested any CONCORD station...perhaps one in Yulai where you could leave your CQ into a wall with all the names hung on the wall. Of course you would need to enlarge the font a bit more, but since you arent talking about real world materials and cost, font sizing isnt an issue.
Although I hope to visit Iceland one day for a fanfest, I wouldn't mind seeing it in game. |
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
371
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Posted - 2014.05.06 07:31:00 -
[565] - Quote
Its sad on several ways.
First, it was again an Act from a non icelander who had again to damage properties from another Country such people really got my nerves because its already cheap on so many ways to leave another country damaged...
Second, searching plates with thoudands of names and stray like a rat only to scratch one specific Persons name is so ... Uggghh pathetic.
Third, its also a mirror how people Act to each other in this game, i know many are great people who share some good times ingame but their are also so many assholes even ingame who lost any goal or stretch to humatiy aslong they can squeeze the Last drop of blood out of someone. (Not even have to mention erotica1!)
So everyone has also to point on his own nose, try to improve your behaviors not only in real life but also ingame to a meaningful Level, because its just a game right? Meet the Mario Kart 8 - Capsuleer Club Cup |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9569
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Posted - 2014.05.06 07:34:00 -
[566] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:People are shocked because the majority of us are responsible adults when we're not busy backstabbing or otherwise screwing each other over in a virtual world.
Sure there's going to be the odd fruit cake that takes ingame grievances out of game, we're no different from any other gaming community in that respect, but the fruitcakes are the minority, not the majority.
Being an arse in game != being one in real life for most people.
I think it would be interesting if we could get a look at the number of players who have left the game due to arrest and conviction for crimes. I think that a lot of you might be surprised, if what I personally think would be the case turns out to be true. The only arrests I can imagine being particularly common would be for possession of certain illegal substances. Which is something I fully support, so that's okay. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Yim Sei
Watchers of Tartarus
146
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Posted - 2014.05.06 07:38:00 -
[567] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Galen Darksmith wrote: It would have been a decent quip from anyone who didn't actually think that the situations were comparable, sure.
To be blunt: real murders have happened for things that happened in online games. (The Legend of Mir 3 stabbing death immediately springs to mind) Minor vandalism? So what? The funniest part is that so many of you seem shocked by the idea. Let me ask you a question, did it ever occur to any of you that spending so much time coming up with new and exciting ways to be the biggest **** possible to other people might not be healthy? That it might lead to people doing questionable things in real life?
That's actually a pretty good point. Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
448
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Posted - 2014.05.06 07:38:00 -
[568] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Which says something about both of us.
Yeah, its says you haven't been playing as long as I have. Just wait. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1737
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Posted - 2014.05.06 07:43:00 -
[569] - Quote
Lephia DeGrande wrote:So everyone has also to point on his own nose, try to improve your behaviors not only in real life but also ingame to a meaningful Level, because its just a game right?
It's a game where I play a role of ruthless pirate, I try to explode everything I can land on top of. Men, women, children (newbies) - no exceptions. I have no idea how could I improve my behavior even more than that. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Lady Areola Fappington
new order logistics CODE.
1746
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Posted - 2014.05.06 07:51:00 -
[570] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:I think it would be interesting if we could get a look at the number of players who have left the game due to arrest and conviction for crimes. I think that a lot of you might be surprised, if what I personally think would be the case turns out to be true. I obviously think a lot more of the Eve community, and its members, than you do. Which says something about both of us.
I got the same feels, Jonah bro. It's always the rampant carebear types screaming the doom and gloom dirty sociopath generator crud. It's also...carebears that end up being implicated in the vast majority of "Taking it way too far out of game" BS that they like to accuse us "bad people" of doing.
I go out for a beer with the vast majority of "bad people" in EVE, without a care in the world about it. Would totally sit in a bar and down a few with my hated war-targets in game. Likely chat about kills and losses to go along with.
The EVE community is overall, a quite well behaved and great group of people when it comes to the real world. We share a love for this crazy bad spaceship submarine game, and it draws us together across our pretendo war lines. There's been repeated stories from businesses involved with Fanfest talking about how wonderful, polite, and kind these evil awful horrid must be psycho players actually are.
It's the one's who don't engage in the community, and pull the "EVE totes real in game baddy=RL sociopath" garbage that always seems to end up making news for going way outside the game bounds. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
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Kaivar Lancer
Biological Mechanical Unlimited
504
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Posted - 2014.05.06 07:52:00 -
[571] - Quote
What is wrong with this weirdo ??? |
DrSmegma
Smegma United
72
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:04:00 -
[572] - Quote
Xenuria did it himself and you're all idiots to fall for it. I quit Eve because CCP is a bad company that employs bad people. I'm glad they're slowly going bankrupt. |
JC Anderson
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1080
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:23:00 -
[573] - Quote
DrSmegma wrote:Xenuria did it himself and you're all idiots to fall for it.
We've covered this already. :P
Xenuria wasn't in Iceland. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18214
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:25:00 -
[574] - Quote
JC Anderson wrote:DrSmegma wrote:Xenuria did it himself and you're all idiots to fall for it. We've covered this already. :P Xenuria wasn't in Iceland. What about his alt?
Never go full Ripard |
DrSmegma
Smegma United
72
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:28:00 -
[575] - Quote
Then someone in Iceland did it on his request. I quit Eve because CCP is a bad company that employs bad people. I'm glad they're slowly going bankrupt. |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
185
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:34:00 -
[576] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Minor vandalism? So what? Despicable. So if someone came to vandalise your home, presumably you would be ok with that then.
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Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
1002
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:37:00 -
[577] - Quote
dafuq... o_O
Why?! Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Dave Stark
5315
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:38:00 -
[578] - Quote
DrSmegma wrote:Then someone in Iceland did it on his request. Nobody else cares about Xenuria enough for this, other than Xenuria.
so you're admitting that contrary to your original statement, calling us all idiots... that in fact, it wasn't xenuria himself? |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
187
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:46:00 -
[579] - Quote
DrSmegma wrote:Then someone in Iceland did it on his request. Nobody else cares about Xenuria enough for this, other than Xenuria. By the way, CCP Falcon stated making accusation like that will get you a permanent forum ban. So if I were you I'd quickly stop talking, that is if it is not too late already. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1251
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:47:00 -
[580] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote: did it ever occur to any of you that spending so much time coming up with new and exciting ways to be the biggest **** possible to other people might not be healthy? That it might lead to people doing questionable things in real life? no, it didn't, largely because a normal healthy adult can separate irl emotional values from in game digital acts (in a game famous for lacking any sort of moral authority....well until ripard teg anyway).
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Astenion
The Scope Gallente Federation
380
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:48:00 -
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Octoven wrote:Astenion wrote:Ha! I love The Mittani's voiced disgust on that Twitter post, because we all know he's a man of such high moral fiber.
Yes, it's vandalism. No, it shouldn't have happened. Yes, it's a **** move.
Any word on how much that real life e-peen monument cost to build? Like someone said before, it's a monument to a bank account dressed up as an homage to players. Personally, I'd rather have WiS and new shiny ships than a monument. I'm sure some people let go after that 20 million euro loss would rather have jobs, too.
The point is that the focus here should be the fact that an Eve player committed an act of vandalism at Fanfest, not that an Eve player committed an act of vandalism on a phallic e-peen video game monument. All these comments like, "Oh, you're such a horrible person" and "You should be beaten severely" are just as ridiculous. Get over yourselves and your bleeding hearts. Someone scratched someone's name out on a chunk of metal, and while it's rude, classless, and petty, people are rude, classless, and petty every single day. Go to any major city and see graffiti ruining facades of historic, MEANINGFUL landmarks and cultural treasures. It's a travesty.
This is not. This is a crime, and should be dealt with as such. People have made other people literally cry in Eve, yet we all love "the tears". Scratch someone's name on a monument, post it on Twitter, and people will actually call you the famous German dictator. Go ahead...check it out...it's in the comment section of the Twitter post.
Let's get this straight: it's fine to torment people in-game to the point of tears or extreme bouts of rage, yet scratch someone's name out on a monument (again, it's a crime...but you're treating it as a crime against humanity) and all of a sudden you're outraged and all take the moral high ground.
Got it.
Let CCP clean it up and charge the guy who did it. Everyone else should save their ever-present outrage and go blow up more spaceships. "It's just the internet" doesn't apply anymore. Being a **** is being a ****, wherever you are. What defines a MEANINGFUL landmark is relative to how the person feels about it. For example, I may not give two ***** about the Statue of Liberty, but some one else may see it in a more personally meaningful way. It isn't my place or anyone else to say otherwise. We all take different landmarks and monuments differently than others. Yes it is a crime, but to the people who this monument commemorates its is indeed an insult to their accomplishments. As said, it isn't for you to define if this is indeed meaningful or not, and if it really bothers you that much that others do, then the solution seems quite simple...ignore it.
A 1,000 year-old edifice in Rome or Florence is quite meaningful, and much more meaningful than a video game monument about internet spaceships. Someone defacing one of the frescoes in Piazza San Marco would be much more of a travesty than a single name scratched out on a video game monument.
Sure, it's wrong and the person should be made to make reparations, but I think people need to put this all into perspective and not fly off the handle about it like they're doing. Some punk scratched off a single name of Hilmar's monument to himself (with our names, of course) and instead of reacting to it like it's just some punk vandalizing it, everyone acts like he drew a mustache on the Mona Lisa. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11344
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:48:00 -
[582] - Quote
I thought this was about the goon sticker.
Much as I dislike Xenuria this is just a dickmove, the person who did it should be made to pay for the new plate and make a public apology. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
DrSmegma
Smegma United
72
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:51:00 -
[583] - Quote
Medalyn Isis wrote:DrSmegma wrote:Then someone in Iceland did it on his request. Nobody else cares about Xenuria enough for this, other than Xenuria. By the way, CCP Falcon stated making accusation like that will get you a permanent forum ban. So if I were you I'd quickly stop talking, that is if it is not too late already. Who cares? As if I'd play a game run by a company that patronizes me and prohibits me from stating my opinion. Good luck with that attitude, CCP. I quit Eve because CCP is a bad company that employs bad people. I'm glad they're slowly going bankrupt. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1251
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:54:00 -
[584] - Quote
DrSmegma wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote:DrSmegma wrote:Then someone in Iceland did it on his request. Nobody else cares about Xenuria enough for this, other than Xenuria. By the way, CCP Falcon stated making accusation like that will get you a permanent forum ban. So if I were you I'd quickly stop talking, that is if it is not too late already. Who cares? As if I'd play a game run by a company that patronizes me and prohibits me from stating my opinion. Good luck with that attitude, CCP. we do, more importantly ccp do. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á Soylent Green Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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DrSmegma
Smegma United
72
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:59:00 -
[585] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote: except it wasn't an opinion. it was an accusation with exactly 0 proof.
But it made over 9000 sense, and you cannot deny that. In opposite to your "why anyone would do that lol this makes no sense" which is just a rhetorical question aimed at nothing, already showing that your strain of thought makes 0 sense.
One way or another, this is the best thing that could happen to Xenuria. Why would anyone be upset? Hmm I'm only feeding his neverending hunger for attention by posting here, actually. I quit Eve because CCP is a bad company that employs bad people. I'm glad they're slowly going bankrupt. |
Dave Stark
5316
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:01:00 -
[586] - Quote
DrSmegma wrote:Dave Stark wrote: except it wasn't an opinion. it was an accusation with exactly 0 proof.
But it made over 9000 sense, and you cannot deny that. In opposite to your "why anyone would do that lol this makes no sense" which is just a rhetorical question aimed at nothing, already showing that your strain of thought makes 0 sense.
how much sense it made wasn't the question, nor did i ever make that point. i guess the english language isn't your first.
i didn't ask a rhetorical question. i stated a fact. |
DrSmegma
Smegma United
72
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:03:00 -
[587] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote: how much sense it made wasn't the question, nor did i ever make that point. i guess the english language isn't your first.
i didn't ask a rhetorical question. i stated a fact.
My god are you autistic. I quit Eve because CCP is a bad company that employs bad people. I'm glad they're slowly going bankrupt. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1251
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:03:00 -
[588] - Quote
DrSmegma wrote: But it made over 9000 sense, and you cannot deny that.
except for you know , not being on the same continent . Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á Soylent Green Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
190
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:04:00 -
[589] - Quote
DrSmegma wrote:Dave Stark wrote: except it wasn't an opinion. it was an accusation with exactly 0 proof.
But it made over 9000 sense. So according to you Xenuria hiring someone to deface his own name on the monument made over 9000 sense. I think you should stay away from both making accusations and maths. Hopefully CCP Falcon will be ensuring that soon though. |
DrSmegma
Smegma United
72
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:05:00 -
[590] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:DrSmegma wrote: But it made over 9000 sense, and you cannot deny that.
except for you know , not being on the same continent .
Then somebody else did it for him. CCP should check his transaction logs unless it was real money involved. I quit Eve because CCP is a bad company that employs bad people. I'm glad they're slowly going bankrupt. |
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Dave Stark
5316
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:06:00 -
[591] - Quote
DrSmegma wrote:Dave Stark wrote: how much sense it made wasn't the question, nor did i ever make that point. i guess the english language isn't your first.
i didn't ask a rhetorical question. i stated a fact.
My god are you autistic.
autism has nothing to do with you being wrong. but don't let that stop you embarrassing yourself in this thread. |
DrSmegma
Smegma United
72
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:06:00 -
[592] - Quote
Medalyn Isis wrote:DrSmegma wrote:Dave Stark wrote: except it wasn't an opinion. it was an accusation with exactly 0 proof.
But it made over 9000 sense. So according to you Xenuria hiring someone to deface his own name on the monument made over 9000 sense.
Exactly. It's the biggest attention seeker in Eve. The person who scratched it was also an attention seeker, for posting it on twitter. It's not like it was just scratched , it was also posted. I quit Eve because CCP is a bad company that employs bad people. I'm glad they're slowly going bankrupt. |
Sarah Nahrnid
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Nulli Secunda
31
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:07:00 -
[593] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:I thought this was about the goon sticker.
Much as I dislike Xenuria this is just a dickmove, the person who did it should be made to pay for the new plate and make a public apology.
Pretty much this, but I'd include the longest possible jail time on top of that.
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Dominus Tempus
Forced Euthanasia
20
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:09:00 -
[594] - Quote
DrSmegma wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:DrSmegma wrote: But it made over 9000 sense, and you cannot deny that.
except for you know , not being on the same continent . Then somebody else did it for him. CCP should check his transaction logs unless it was real money involved. You've already been backed into a corner, why not swallow your pride and cut your losses? |
Astenion
The Scope Gallente Federation
380
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:09:00 -
[595] - Quote
Medalyn Isis wrote:Astenion wrote:Sure, it's wrong and the person should be made to make reparations, but I think people need to put this all into perspective and not fly off the handle about it like they're doing. Some punk scratched off a single name of Hilmar's monument to himself (with our names, of course) and instead of reacting to it like it's just some punk vandalizing it, everyone acts like he drew a mustache on the Mona Lisa. No one is flying off the handle, so I am not sure why you are thinking that. The majority of the responses are simply stating that this act crosses the line. The other point to consider, fanfest attendees are a guests in Iceland. Now, I hope if one of your kids vandalises a friends brand new car for instance, you wouldn't have this poor attitude which you are displaying towards Icelanders right now. I don't think your friend would be too amused if you simply shrug it off saying it doesn't matter because their brand new car wasn't the Mona Lisa.
I'm not saying it doesn't matter, I'm saying people need to keep it in perspective. It's a crime and the perpetrator should be punished as such. It's an embarrassment to all of us because it reflects poorly on all of us. However, a single name was scratched out on an internet spaceship monument in Iceland. It's vandalism and the perpetrator should be brought to make reparations. But let's not kid ourselves here; it's not like he scratched out the face of the Mona Lisa.
It's an embarrassment to all of us because it reflects poorly on all Eve players. However, it was just a stupid act, that's all. I'm not shrugging this off as you claim. I've stated repeatedly that the perpetrator should be brought to justice in accordance with Icelandic law and be made to make reparations. However, many people are taking the opposite end of the spectrum by being too outraged by this and not keeping it in perspective.
Also, I live in Italy. Do you have any idea how many tourists come here every single year and annoy, vandalize, litter, and destroy things here? It's all part of tourism. Secondly, my kid would never vandalize anything because if he or she did, they would get a boot so far up their ass that their breath would smell of shoe polish. |
DrSmegma
Smegma United
72
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:10:00 -
[596] - Quote
Dominus Tempus wrote:DrSmegma wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:DrSmegma wrote: But it made over 9000 sense, and you cannot deny that.
except for you know , not being on the same continent . Then somebody else did it for him. CCP should check his transaction logs unless it was real money involved. You've already been backed into a corner, why not swallow your pride and cut your losses?
What? I quit Eve because CCP is a bad company that employs bad people. I'm glad they're slowly going bankrupt. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1252
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:12:00 -
[597] - Quote
DrSmegma wrote: Then somebody else did it for him. CCP should check his transaction logs unless it was real money involved.
Then somebody else did it Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á Soylent Green Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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DrSmegma
Smegma United
72
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:13:00 -
[598] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:DrSmegma wrote: Then somebody else did it for him. CCP should check his transaction logs unless it was real money involved.
Then somebody else did it You clearly don't want to be able to read.
Anyway, this entire thread was probably started by a Xenuria alt for attention. What do you think why Amarr Citizen 1312151005 would post anything at all and read tweets directed at Xenuria? You're all morons. I quit Eve because CCP is a bad company that employs bad people. I'm glad they're slowly going bankrupt. |
Dave Stark
5317
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:15:00 -
[599] - Quote
the incoming forum ban is going to be hilarious. |
DrSmegma
Smegma United
72
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:15:00 -
[600] - Quote
His name wasn't even scratched out. If I wanted to eradicate Xenuria from a monument, I'd scratch it out entirely. However if I was just an attention ***** scratching my own name, I'd scratch it enough to damage it, but not enough so that nobody can read it anymore - as it was done. Now go ahead, spill more autism on me. I quit Eve because CCP is a bad company that employs bad people. I'm glad they're slowly going bankrupt. |
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Dave Stark
5323
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:17:00 -
[601] - Quote
DrSmegma wrote:Now go ahead, spill more autism on me. no, you're doing a good enough job on your own. continue. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1738
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:23:00 -
[602] - Quote
It's good there is that little flag icon... I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
DrSmegma
Smegma United
72
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:26:00 -
[603] - Quote
Yes. Because circlejerks being immune to a guy trying to talk sense into them is an entirely new phenomenon in the history of the world and for me personally. I quit Eve because CCP is a bad company that employs bad people. I'm glad they're slowly going bankrupt. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11347
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:32:00 -
[604] - Quote
DrSmegma wrote:His name wasn't even scratched out. If I wanted to eradicate Xenuria from a monument, I'd scratch it out entirely. However if I was just an attention ***** scratching my own name, I'd scratch it enough to damage it, but not enough so that nobody can read it anymore - as it was done. Now go ahead, spill more autism on me.
If you stop posting now you might get away with a short ban. Dont push CCP Falcon. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1252
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:32:00 -
[605] - Quote
thats some impressive fail right there. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á Soylent Green Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Maria Firn
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:34:00 -
[606] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:So, there's a couple of things going to happen in this thread right now:
- First - People are going to stop pointing fingers and blaming people. CCP will investigate and take any action against game accounts, along with any legal action that we feel necessary. This is already in progress.
- Second - This is damage of public property in the City of Reykjavik. The police have been informed, and investigation is ongoing. This is not a laughing matter, and will be dealt with as a criminal offence. We are currently reviewing security footage from a number of surrounding buildings.
- Third - People will stop attacking the victim of this on our forums. It's not funny, it's not clever. Take your rumor mongering and personal attacks away from our community. If you choose not to, you'll be removed from the community, permanently. It's a simple as that. We will not tolerate victimization.
What's happened is absolutely disgusting. It's an insult to the entire community and is clearly the work a person who believes that behavior in a virtual world is a valid reason to make a real life personal attack on someone, and deface public property.
I don't see why your so surprised ? in a game which harbours the worst in humans, rewards bad behaviour, applauds underhand deceit, then surely this is the norm ?
How is this any different than a certain individual promoting bullying and harassment at fanfest ?
How is this any different than a certain scam artists bonus room ?
Its about time CCP stepped up its game and put whats good back into EVE and promoted positive gameplay and spirit rather than rewarding the underhand individuals and organisations.
Im not one dam bit surprised this happened. |
Maria Firn
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:39:00 -
[607] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:So, there's a couple of things going to happen in this thread right now:
With that in mind, I'll make a simple one time offer, that if the person who defaced the monument wants to come forward and contact me relating to this, then they can do so by EVE mailing my Dev character. If this happens, we'll take it as a gesture of good faith after an extremely stupid act that was committed.
With this in mind, be sure to keep this thread on topic, and cut out the personal attacks and finger pointing. People who break the rules will lose their forum posting privileges. Permanently.
Thanks.
Gesture of good faith ? again CCP that's a sign of weakness right there. The individual should be prosecuted and jailed or sent for therapy.
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Dave Stark
5323
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:40:00 -
[608] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Dont push CCP Falcon.
this, many times over. |
DrSmegma
Smegma United
72
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:43:00 -
[609] - Quote
Maria Firn wrote: Gesture of good faith ? again CCP that's a sign of weakness right there. The individual should be prosecuted and jailed or sent for therapy.
This indidates that they have no idea who did it and have no chance of finding out. Neither Twitter nor the police will care about a scratch on a huge something. There won't be DNA tests, cadaver dogs, or scratches from the point of view of the monument and all the other stuff you know from CSI Miami. I quit Eve because CCP is a bad company that employs bad people. I'm glad they're slowly going bankrupt. |
JC Anderson
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1081
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:54:00 -
[610] - Quote
Maria Firn wrote:
I don't see why your so surprised ?
Im not one dam bit surprised this happened.
Despite having played Eve since 2005, I am in fact surprised by this.
As much as people like to look down on Eve players due to our reputation gained, we still have come together numerous times in acts of charity and selflessness.
Hell, when Vile Rat was killed, it was EVE players along with some from SA that were there to help support his family with $127,000 in donations over a very short period of time.
And on top of that it was a Goon who initially started the fundraiser. Even more remarkable is that the youcaring fundraiser was only one of many charity drives started by Eve players at that same time.
http://www.youcaring.com/tuition-fundraiser/benefit-for-sean-smith-s-family/30678 |
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Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
1451
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Posted - 2014.05.06 10:05:00 -
[611] - Quote
Maria Firn wrote: I don't see why your so surprised ? in a game which harbours the worst in humans, rewards bad behaviour, applauds underhand deceit, then surely this is the norm ?
perhaps because, like many other forumites like me and certainly others, we keep all of that ingame, as the minimally sane people we are. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
232
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Posted - 2014.05.06 10:46:00 -
[612] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:mkint wrote: Just because Hellmar is fully justified in building a massive statue to himself and then pretends it's not about him at all, doesn't mean it's not a waste. The statue itself is the kind of thing a 3rd world dictator would do. People are also fully justified in watching michael bay and uwe boll movies, wearing popped collars and training as pick up artists. That doesn't make it any less dumb, or deserving of derision.
You've obviously never been to Fanfest, otherwise you would realize that EVE Online and CCP as a company are some damn special **** in Reykjavik. The monument isn't a 'lol we're so amazing lololol'. It's a tribute to the amazing impact EVE Online has on Iceland as a country and Reykjavik as a city. EVE Online is one of the biggest export products in Iceland. EVE Fanfest is one of the, if not THE biggest tourist event of the year in Reykjavik. The monument represents the impact of our digital universe on the real lifes of people living in Reykjavik. And that's pretty damn special if you ask me.
Was waiting to find a post like this to add to. And say that with as much impact that CCP has in Iceland a possible addition to any punishment for the vandal could include being banned from entering Iceland ever again. And I bet they could accomplish that very easily. And it would be hilarious. |
JC Anderson
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1082
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Posted - 2014.05.06 10:51:00 -
[613] - Quote
Tuttomenui II wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:mkint wrote: Just because Hellmar is fully justified in building a massive statue to himself and then pretends it's not about him at all, doesn't mean it's not a waste. The statue itself is the kind of thing a 3rd world dictator would do. People are also fully justified in watching michael bay and uwe boll movies, wearing popped collars and training as pick up artists. That doesn't make it any less dumb, or deserving of derision.
You've obviously never been to Fanfest, otherwise you would realize that EVE Online and CCP as a company are some damn special **** in Reykjavik. The monument isn't a 'lol we're so amazing lololol'. It's a tribute to the amazing impact EVE Online has on Iceland as a country and Reykjavik as a city. EVE Online is one of the biggest export products in Iceland. EVE Fanfest is one of the, if not THE biggest tourist event of the year in Reykjavik. The monument represents the impact of our digital universe on the real lifes of people living in Reykjavik. And that's pretty damn special if you ask me. Was waiting to find a post like this to add to. And say that with as much impact that CCP has in Iceland a possible addition to any punishment for the vandal could include being banned from entering Iceland ever again. And I bet they could accomplish that very easily. And it would be hilarious.
LOL Terrorist watch list. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
742
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Posted - 2014.05.06 10:51:00 -
[614] - Quote
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:On another tab i'm reading about some awful things happening to people in Syria. Then i click back to here and refresh, as posts arrive. The contrast is simply incredible. It's not legitimite to judge the people this way. It's not #FirstWorldProblems. Recognize the fact that Reykjaviks property intentionally got damaged and there is a cost involved in the repairment of this property. ...
Dude, dead women and children, please.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine Yulai Federation
87
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Posted - 2014.05.06 10:58:00 -
[615] - Quote
Where people are making accusations in this thread is against a very clear message from CCP to stop and let them take care of it. There is a serious issue that affects us all, CCP are dealing with it. Speculation on this issue can only end in tears. As much as I think some of the mods are a bit too trigger happy when it comes to closing threads, this thread should be closed, it's only bringing out the worst in people.
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Tor Norman
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
133
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Posted - 2014.05.06 11:12:00 -
[616] - Quote
Maria Firn wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:So, there's a couple of things going to happen in this thread right now:
- First - People are going to stop pointing fingers and blaming people. CCP will investigate and take any action against game accounts, along with any legal action that we feel necessary. This is already in progress.
- Second - This is damage of public property in the City of Reykjavik. The police have been informed, and investigation is ongoing. This is not a laughing matter, and will be dealt with as a criminal offence. We are currently reviewing security footage from a number of surrounding buildings.
- Third - People will stop attacking the victim of this on our forums. It's not funny, it's not clever. Take your rumor mongering and personal attacks away from our community. If you choose not to, you'll be removed from the community, permanently. It's a simple as that. We will not tolerate victimization.
What's happened is absolutely disgusting. It's an insult to the entire community and is clearly the work a person who believes that behavior in a virtual world is a valid reason to make a real life personal attack on someone, and deface public property. I don't see why your so surprised ? in a game which harbours the worst in humans, rewards bad behaviour, applauds underhand deceit, then surely this is the norm ? Frankly, I find comments such as these disturbing. EVE is a game. This game does something pretty unique in that it encourages us to play the bad guy in a multiplayer setting. This is done as it's a Role Playing Game (RPG) and is one of the few game where we, as players, are encouraged to place our real-world personas to one side and pick up a new role to fit whichever one of our characters we may be playing.
CCP expects us to make a clear distinction between the fictional roles we play within the EVE universe, the events that occur to those characters within the EVE universe and the real world. WTF did I just read? |
Kiandoshia
Tetragorn SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1733
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Posted - 2014.05.06 11:21:00 -
[617] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Weaselior wrote:you've got to be quite an ass to be the unlikable jerk in an interaction between you and xenuria
good going, internet dude, you actually made xenuria look good (relatively speaking), nobody thought that was possible Of course, goons defacing the monument with their logo was all in good fun?
It was a sticker. Nobody went and scratched around on the thing. Besides, how do you know it was a member of Goons? ^^ |
Kaivar Lancer
Biological Mechanical Unlimited
504
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Posted - 2014.05.06 11:21:00 -
[618] - Quote
Whoever did this...
NOT COOL. |
wafflemuncher
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2014.05.06 11:35:00 -
[619] - Quote
theres significant damage to several parts of the monument
personally i consider this and the several reported assaults on devs and security staff disgusting.
last year Hilmar complimented all of us on our good behaviour every year, and now we get this.
if we want to continue to have the warm welcome we enjoy in reykjavik this vandalism and violence has to be dealt with harshly. |
Dex Sudaka
Perkone Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2014.05.06 11:35:00 -
[620] - Quote
Sad to see that happen. I hope it gets fixed as good as new. I wonder how long until we see the first graffiti. Loads of it in Reykjavik. The monument won't stay shiny forever but we can only work hard to keep it as good as new. |
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
232
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Posted - 2014.05.06 11:37:00 -
[621] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:So... PLEX for tile replacement? Unless the guy who did this is offering to pay for a new one out of his own pocket that is.
Or they could Auction off the plate. Or **** off the tin foil hat crowd by giving the plate to Xenuria. I'd hate to see the plate destroyed . Lot of possibilities. |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
190
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Posted - 2014.05.06 11:40:00 -
[622] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:Solecist Project's Alt wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:On another tab i'm reading about some awful things happening to people in Syria. Then i click back to here and refresh, as posts arrive. The contrast is simply incredible. It's not legitimite to judge the people this way. It's not #FirstWorldProblems. Recognize the fact that Reykjaviks property intentionally got damaged and there is a cost involved in the repairment of this property. ... Dude, dead women and children, please. So because some parts of the world are so backward that they commit atrocities such as those in Syria, we should all judge our own country's people's behaviour by their low standard? I could use your argument to justify practically anything, as there is almost always something else worse going on the world.
That's not how it works. There is no excuse for defacing this monument. |
Kaoraku Shayiskhun
The 1st Regiment HUN Reloaded
0
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Posted - 2014.05.06 11:46:00 -
[623] - Quote
I just simply do not understand that drama, this is so clear...
The money, what we pay for the game is not our property to ask/decide what they do with it. If they want to build a monument, they build it, and saying this is waste of money is epicly arrogant. And the monument is CCP's property too, so you're not allowed to put even a sticker on it, because it is not your's. And all of those, who think they have any right to use somebody else's property should remove from community and society. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3958
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Posted - 2014.05.06 11:50:00 -
[624] - Quote
Medalyn Isis wrote: So because some parts of the world are so backward that they commit atrocities such as those in Syria, we should all judge our own country's people's behaviour by their low standard? I could use your argument to justify practically anything, as there is almost always something else worse going on the world.
That's not how it works. There is no excuse for defacing this monument.
Agreed, though I cant really think of many countries who havent done similar things to themselves at one time or another "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
190
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Posted - 2014.05.06 12:11:00 -
[625] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote: So because some parts of the world are so backward that they commit atrocities such as those in Syria, we should all judge our own country's people's behaviour by their low standard? I could use your argument to justify practically anything, as there is almost always something else worse going on the world.
That's not how it works. There is no excuse for defacing this monument.
Agreed, though I cant really think of many countries who havent done similar things to themselves at one time or another Indeed, hopefully Syria will come out of this like many other countries afflicted by civil war have done. |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
183
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Posted - 2014.05.06 12:30:00 -
[626] - Quote
Considering how extremely upset some people in this thread are, I think it bears mentioning that if the person or persons involved are caught, that it is in fact not okay to obliterate their names from the monument in some kind of revenge. Nor is it okay to enact your own justice upon them in other ways. CCP is handling it, you don't need to do anything other than be outraged or come forward with information. I've gotten that vibe from some of the posts in this thread that some random person might take it upon themselves to do something equally stupid to what's already happened. Many of the posts in this thread could very well be scaring the vandal off from stepping forward due to fear of retribution that does not fit the crime.
I noticed that this year's fanfest was far more violent than last year's. Brawls at Nora's, cop cars and paddy wagons filled up with drunk assholes, and people getting the crap kicked out of them over pubcrawl flags. Punching someone out over a strip of cloth, breaking their nose, and kicking them when they're on the ground is (this happened, I don't know who it happened to, but it wasn't a pretty sight), in my opinion, far worse than what happened to the monument. The vandalism might be explained partially by the general attitude of some folks who play the game and can't distinguish reality from internet space and consumption of alcohol, but there is never any excuse for violently attacking someone unless it's self-defence. The night of the Party At the Top of the World I saw the cops tossing people into the paddy wagon almost wholesale, something that did not happen last year. From what I saw, despite there being far fewer people, there were a lot more people getting arrested for being ******* drunks than last year.
A lot of vandalism (putting your name on the walls in the washrooms of a bar is vandalism too, folks), fighting, and general assholery happened this year. The monument vandal should be ashamed, but we should also be ashamed. Maybe we should appologize as a community to the city of Reykjavic for our behaviour and consider ourselves lucky that they're letting us come back next year. We can do better, we have done better, and we should do better. |
Tricia Killnu
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.05.06 12:41:00 -
[627] - Quote
I am more concerned with the future of the monument as sadly I can see this type of thing happening over and over.
Eve is a game and what happens in the game should stay in the game, but not everyone is able to keep it that way and fail by forgetting that eve is a game not real life.
Granted those types of people shouldn't be playing video games as they cant separate the 2 realities but alas they do.
Are there any future plans for surveillance or some other form of barrier to stop such nonsense going forward? I mean I assume there will be, but assumptions does not facts make.
This is all really silly to be honest regardless of who did it and their motivations. Eve is a game and what ever grudges are created in game should stay there in game. |
wafflethief
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2014.05.06 12:47:00 -
[628] - Quote
the violence must stop.
right now.
the people involved banned and prosecuted.
We enjoy a very warm welcome in Reykjavik thanks to our good behaviour. Massive signage up everywhere, special offers, look even at the QR code hunt that so many places participated in.
If the violence repeats next year, If CCP dont deal with it right now, RIGHT THE **** NOW, will that continue?
I dont think it will. Bars wont want anything to do with us if we're being violent. Even if its only a minority.
Nowhere will put up the big signage that we appreciate if it gets linked with violence.
Nowhere will participate in events like the QR hunt if it gets linked with violence.
This is completely unnaceptable. Its disgusting
IT MUST STOP
AND IT MUST BE PUNISHED
be any kind of ******* you want in game. but when we meet in Reykjavik every year, be friends. even with those who may have wronged you. drink with the blues/red/neuts and remember that we are all players in this universe that all of us together have built on the foundations given by CCP.
This is our world. This is our Game. It doesnt matter when we gather top celebrate it who flies with who, what matters is that we have all made our own mark in New Eden, we should be proud of that and respect others for doing the same.
no more vandalism
no more violence
NO MORE |
virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine Yulai Federation
87
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Posted - 2014.05.06 12:56:00 -
[629] - Quote
I fear all a barrier will do is remind people for years to come that Eve players were unable to build a monument without their own kind defacing it. That monument is for all of us including CCP and all the work they have put in over the years. Every time the monument is permanently damaged it reflects on all of us as a community. |
The Bo Jangles
Eve News24
0
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Posted - 2014.05.06 13:03:00 -
[630] - Quote
virm pasuul wrote:I fear all a barrier will do is remind people for years to come that Eve players were unable to build a monument without their own kind defacing it. That monument is for all of us including CCP and all the work they have put in over the years. Every time the monument is permanently damaged it reflects on all of us as a community.
I agree. It really is a shame.
Ignoring all these people crying out that the monument was just a waste of money or a marketing ploy, the reality of it is the eve community is special and the monument was a gift to us all. Trouble is the community cannot be trusted and because of one person we've let ourselves down.
I hope the damages can be repaired easily and quickly and that nothing happens like this again. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5821
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Posted - 2014.05.06 13:18:00 -
[631] - Quote
The Bo Jangles wrote:virm pasuul wrote:I fear all a barrier will do is remind people for years to come that Eve players were unable to build a monument without their own kind defacing it. That monument is for all of us including CCP and all the work they have put in over the years. Every time the monument is permanently damaged it reflects on all of us as a community. I agree. It really is a shame. Ignoring all these people crying out that the monument was just a waste of money or a marketing ploy, the reality of it is the eve community is special and the monument was a gift to us all. Trouble is the community cannot be trusted and because of one person we've let ourselves down. I hope the damages can be repaired easily and quickly and that nothing happens like this again.
I am just astonished that, throughout the entire process of getting this designed and built, that "scratch protective coating" never came up. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
191
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Posted - 2014.05.06 13:23:00 -
[632] - Quote
wafflethief wrote:the violence must stop.
right now.
the people involved banned and prosecuted. Who was being violent? That should be an instant ban along with being dealt with as a police matter. It is a shame to hear all these stories coming out now. |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
3477
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Posted - 2014.05.06 13:36:00 -
[633] - Quote
My opinion of the cretin who did this should be obvious.
From a more meta perspective, those who hold that there should not be a line between in-game and out-of-game interactions related to EVE (in particular, defenders of such bullsh*t as the Bonus Room) should perhaps reflect upon their positions. At a certain point, it stops being a game.
That out of the way, I would like to take a moment to thank Xenuria for something he did (he knows what) that started a sequence of events that resulted in much happiness for someone I love. It was just one of those butterfly-effect things EVE is so famous for.
I owe him one.
Private Citizen GÇó CSM in recovery |
Kinis Deren
House Of Serenity. Disband.
407
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Posted - 2014.05.06 13:44:00 -
[634] - Quote
*sigh* and another line is crossed.
As with all crimes against a person or property, I hope the perpetrartor feels the full force of the law as well as CCP's game account related actions.
Kaarous Aldurald wrote: I am just astonished that, throughout the entire process of getting this designed and built, that "scratch protective coating" never came up.
It is true that there are scratch resistant coatings available and nitride coatings spring to mind in this context. However, they tend to be designed for incidental abrasion events, rather than deliberate acts of vandalism.
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Sacred Powers
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1
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Posted - 2014.05.06 13:48:00 -
[635] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:So, there's a couple of things going to happen in this thread right now:
- First - People are going to stop pointing fingers and blaming people. CCP will investigate and take any action against game accounts, along with any legal action that we feel necessary. This is already in progress.
- Second - This is damage of public property in the City of Reykjavik. The police have been informed, and investigation is ongoing. This is not a laughing matter, and will be dealt with as a criminal offence. We are currently reviewing security footage from a number of surrounding buildings.
- Third - People will stop attacking the victim of this on our forums. It's not funny, it's not clever. Take your rumor mongering and personal attacks away from our community. If you choose not to, you'll be removed from the community, permanently. It's a simple as that. We will not tolerate victimization.
What's happened is absolutely disgusting. It's an insult to the entire community and is clearly the work a person who believes that behavior in a virtual world is a valid reason to make a real life personal attack on someone, and deface public property. We will not tolerate this. Thankfully we've already had a number of players come forward to assist us and provide information. Including, we believe, members of the person's own alliance. Thankfully the vast majority of the rest of the community are in the same frame of mind as CCP - disgusted at the fact that someone would do this, and we're extremely grateful for your assistance. With that in mind, I'll make a simple one time offer, that if the person who defaced the monument wants to come forward and contact me relating to this, then they can do so by EVE mailing my Dev character. If this happens, we'll take it as a gesture of good faith after an extremely stupid act that was committed. With this in mind, be sure to keep this thread on topic, and cut out the personal attacks and finger pointing. People who break the rules will lose their forum posting privileges. Permanently. Thanks.
It is sad that people cannot separate themselves from a game and I'm glad CCP is working with the Police to take action against the person who did this. Might I suggest adding in cameras around the monument? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5821
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Posted - 2014.05.06 13:53:00 -
[636] - Quote
Kinis Deren wrote:*sigh* and another line is crossed. As with all crimes against a person or property, I hope the perpetrartor feels the full force of the law as well as CCP's game account related actions. Kaarous Aldurald wrote: I am just astonished that, throughout the entire process of getting this designed and built, that "scratch protective coating" never came up.
It is true that there are scratch resistant coatings available and nitride coatings spring to mind in this context. However, they tend to be designed for incidental abrasion events, rather than deliberate acts of vandalism.
While true, there are a few pics going around of incidental damage as well.
Pound of cure at this point, sadly. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2338
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Posted - 2014.05.06 13:57:00 -
[637] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The Bo Jangles wrote:virm pasuul wrote:I fear all a barrier will do is remind people for years to come that Eve players were unable to build a monument without their own kind defacing it. That monument is for all of us including CCP and all the work they have put in over the years. Every time the monument is permanently damaged it reflects on all of us as a community. I agree. It really is a shame. Ignoring all these people crying out that the monument was just a waste of money or a marketing ploy, the reality of it is the eve community is special and the monument was a gift to us all. Trouble is the community cannot be trusted and because of one person we've let ourselves down. I hope the damages can be repaired easily and quickly and that nothing happens like this again. I am just astonished that, throughout the entire process of getting this designed and built, that "scratch protective coating" never came up.
The average age of an Eve Online player is, I believe, around the 30 mark.
Perhaps CCP believed that a protective covering for the monument was not necessary.
It is sad that CCP were mistaken in their belief. This is not a signature. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3608
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:01:00 -
[638] - Quote
KIller Wabbit wrote:Stitcher wrote:Nyphur wrote:How hard is it to scratch anodized aluminium? snip While there probably IS something out there that could resist both the salt-water splashing of a high tide in bad weather AND the clothing of people closely inspecting the monument (or of idiots who think their internet spaceships vendetta is worth vandalising a public monument for), I doubt that substance is inexpensive. The substance is called glass
Hard, yes. Corrosive-resistant, also yes.
The problem with glass is that it is also brittle and tends to produce surgically sharp edges when shattered. Also, slippery when wet.
I'm thinking the city of Reykjavik probably DON'T want a monument where if somebody falls over on it while wearing goth pants, that person goes to the hospital looking like they just picked a fight with Freddy Krueger. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3959
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:01:00 -
[639] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
The average age of an Eve Online player is, I believe, around the 30 mark.
Perhaps CCP believed that a protective covering for the monument was not necessary.
It is sad that CCP were mistaken in their belief.
They should have done it anyway
Vandals who arent Eve players can damage the monument too "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1420
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:06:00 -
[640] - Quote
Locked for cleanup. ISD LackOfFaith Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums. |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1420
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:19:00 -
[641] - Quote
Quote: 2. Be respectful toward others at all times.
The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others.
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category.
22. Post constructively.
Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting.
31. Rumor mongering is prohibited.
Rumor threads and posts which are based off no actual solid information and are designed to either troll or annoy other users will be locked and removed. These kinds of threads and posts are detrimental to the wellbeing and spirit of the EVE Online Community, and can create undue panic among forum users, as well as adding to the workload of our moderators.
Thread has been cleaned up as per the above rules. Also:
CCP Falcon wrote:First - People are going to stop pointing fingers and blaming people. CCP will investigate and take any action against game accounts, along with any legal action that we feel necessary. This is already in progress. [...] Third - People will stop attacking the victim of this on our forums. It's not funny, it's not clever. Take your rumor mongering and personal attacks away from our community. If you choose not to, you'll be removed from the community, permanently. It's a simple as that. We will not tolerate victimization.
It has been cleaned up as per the line drawn by CCP Falcon. I strongly advise not treading on CCP's toes around this issue, as it is no joke and no laughing matter. ISD LackOfFaith Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums. |
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15318
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:22:00 -
[642] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The Bo Jangles wrote:virm pasuul wrote:I fear all a barrier will do is remind people for years to come that Eve players were unable to build a monument without their own kind defacing it. That monument is for all of us including CCP and all the work they have put in over the years. Every time the monument is permanently damaged it reflects on all of us as a community. I agree. It really is a shame. Ignoring all these people crying out that the monument was just a waste of money or a marketing ploy, the reality of it is the eve community is special and the monument was a gift to us all. Trouble is the community cannot be trusted and because of one person we've let ourselves down. I hope the damages can be repaired easily and quickly and that nothing happens like this again. I am just astonished that, throughout the entire process of getting this designed and built, that "scratch protective coating" never came up. The average age of an Eve Online player is, I believe, around the 30 mark. Perhaps CCP believed that a protective covering for the monument was not necessary. It is sad that CCP were mistaken in their belief.
It only takes 1 idiot, alas. 2,999 other fanfest attendees fully justified CCP's faith in us. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2338
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:30:00 -
[643] - Quote
Malcanis, I do agree that one idiot can cast the many in a poor light.
But, judging by the earlier post by Triskian, it would seem that there was more than one idiot.
I thought one of the many reasons for going to the fan-fest was to have a beer and a joke with those you 'hate' in-game? This is not a signature. |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1111
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:32:00 -
[644] - Quote
Sign of the times... too many people have no respect for nice things like they used to. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
451
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:41:00 -
[645] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote: no, it didn't, largely because a normal healthy adult ...
The last three words are key. Maybe my experiences are different than yours, but I don't know a single eve player that would qualify as a normal (you've obviously never met duckeye, for example). Most of them have some serious mental issues.
Medalyn Isis wrote: Despicable. So if someone came to vandalise your home, presumably you would be ok with that then.
Point of fact, I've had people try major vandalism on my house. It did not work. I was smart enough to invest in bulletproof coverings for my stained glass windows. If you just assume it's going to happen, it's not really hard to take preventative measures.
To make reference to Dindsales joke earlier, my house fits a tank.
The best they found they could so was to spray some graffiti on the side of the house, that I just as quickly painted over. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
6357
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:46:00 -
[646] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote: no, it didn't, largely because a normal healthy adult ...
The last three words are key. Maybe my experiences are different than yours, but I don't know a single eve player that would qualify as a normal (you've obviously never met duckeye, for example). Most of them have some serious mental issues. Medalyn Isis wrote: Despicable. So if someone came to vandalise your home, presumably you would be ok with that then.
Point of fact, I've had people try major vandalism on my house. It did not work. I was smart enough to invest in bulletproof coverings for my stained glass windows. If you just assume it's going to happen, it's not really hard to take preventative measures. To make reference to Dindsales joke earlier, my house fits a tank. The best they found they could so was to spray some graffiti on the side of the house, that I just as quickly painted over.
So you have bullet proof windows yet it's other people who have issues?
I've been subject to actual death threats from felons I've arrested and I don't have bullet proof windows dude. At some point (hopefully) a person should come to the conclusion that it's not the rest of the universe that is cracked.
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
451
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:52:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
So you have bullet proof windows yet it's other people who have issues?
I've been subject to actual death threats from felons I've arrested and I don't have bullet proof windows dude. At some point (hopefully) a person should come to the conclusion that it's not the rest of the universe that is cracked.
No, in this case it's common sense. The stained glass windows are 20 feet tall, and cost 30k dollars each, at a discount. Imagine a bird hitting that, or, (as I live about five doors from a school) the more typical punk kid throwing rocks. |
Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2616
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:57:00 -
[648] - Quote
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:My opinion of the cretin who did this should be obvious.
From a more meta perspective, those who hold that there should not be a line between in-game and out-of-game interactions related to EVE (in particular, defenders of such bullsh*t as the Bonus Room) should perhaps reflect upon their positions. At a certain point, it stops being a game.
That out of the way, I would like to take a moment to thank Xenuria for something he did (he knows what) that started a sequence of events that resulted in much happiness for someone I love. It was just one of those butterfly-effect things EVE is so famous for.
I owe him one.
I'd love to hear that story sometime. Be nice to hear something positive round these parts for a change. Aaaaaaand relax. |
Bjurn Akely
Knights of Nii The 20 Minuters
55
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:57:00 -
[649] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote: no, it didn't, largely because a normal healthy adult ...
The last three words are key. Maybe my experiences are different than yours, but I don't know a single eve player that would qualify as a normal (you've obviously never met duckeye, for example). Most of them have some serious mental issues.
Serious mental issues? OK, Doctor... if you say so. I'm just this guy, you know, but my personal experience is that the Eve community is as diverse as any other part of life. So it's not surprising there are one among us that is rotten enough to vandalize like this. That said I *am* surprised and shocked that such a person would take the time to get to Iceland to meet other players, devs and generally celebrate the game and still be incapable to distinguish between the game and real life. |
Marsha Mallow
495
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:02:00 -
[650] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:I don't know a single eve player that would qualify as a normal (you've obviously never met duckeye, for example). Most of them have some serious mental issues. I don't know a single person IRL I'd class as normal either. They are all completely bonkers. I'll be damned if I'll fortify my house though, they're too scared to even try anything. Work on your Malevolent Look of Death, saves money on weapons long term.
I've mentioned this already, but can you please do this on a weekend when everyone is wasted so we can join in. I'm revising and you are making me seriously want to emulate you by running up and down with my pants on my head. It's TUESDAY for god's sake. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
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Solecist Project's Alt
Wildly Inept Pacifists
57
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:02:00 -
[651] - Quote
You people will get your rear ends handed to you by CCP, if you don't stop pointlessly argueing with the self righteous egokid.
It leads nowhere and just makes this thread even worse. |
Norian Rever
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:08:00 -
[652] - Quote
Trash individuals, are trash.
Its not the communities fault, but the community can take some degree of responsibility and keep trash where it belongs (in the garbage).
And yes, there are people who behave like trash on these forums too, and should be treated accordingly. |
Marsha Mallow
496
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:11:00 -
[653] - Quote
Sorry Sol.
It's very difficult when people shout stop laughing, it's not a joke, please be serious, ofgs grow up. I haven't been serious since 1997 :| I've been having a mid-life crisis for a decade.
<- does serious face
In all seriousness, the collective outrage is actually a good thing for the community in some ways. Nothing brings us together like a bit of ranting and stuff >.> Least it's not directed at CCP or grr for a change. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
451
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:20:00 -
[654] - Quote
Bjurn Akely wrote:[
Serious mental issues? OK, Doctor... if you say so.
A lot of them it doesn't take a doctor to spot something seriously wrong with some of these people. The guys who neglect their families to play video games? Yeah, not good there, though the one who tried to have sex and run PvP at the same time still stands out in my mind. The two player suicides I know of? Might have had some problems. Cosmic Horror was in a relationship abusive enough that her boyfriend at the time had a friend of his beat her till she miscarried (she was close to where I am and I visited her at the hospital). There was a guy in aridia back in the day who would spam bestiality **** in local that made even Duckeye's worst transgressions against the Minmatar chat channel look mild. It was one of the few good things about BoB running up into Fountain did was I never saw him again.
Now, granted, this is over ten years, and just the worst offenders. But yeah. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10659
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:26:00 -
[655] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:A lot of them it doesn't take a doctor to spot something seriously wrong with some of these people. The guys who neglect their families to play video games? Yeah, not good there, though the one who tried to have sex and run PvP at the same time still stands out in my mind. The two player suicides I know of? Might have had some problems. Cosmic Horror was in a relationship abusive enough that her boyfriend at the time had a friend of his beat her till she miscarried (she was close to where I am and I visited her at the hospital). There was a guy in aridia back in the day who would spam bestiality **** in local that made even Duckeye's worst transgressions against the Minmatar chat channel look mild. It was one of the few good things about BoB running up into Fountain did was I never saw him again.
Now, granted, this is over ten years, and just the worst offenders. But yeah.
From a player base of 400k-500k it is statistically inevitable that you'll have all of those things Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
114
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:33:00 -
[656] - Quote
Norian Rever wrote:Trash individuals, are trash.
Its not the communities fault, but the community can take some degree of responsibility and keep trash where it belongs (in the garbage).
And yes, there are people who behave like trash on these forums too, and should be treated accordingly.
Someone needs to bring in Waste Management... |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3961
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:37:00 -
[657] - Quote
Norian Rever wrote: And yes, there are people who behave like trash on these forums too, and should be treated accordingly.
Reduce, Reuse, Recycle? "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
114
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:38:00 -
[658] - Quote
Andski wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:A lot of them it doesn't take a doctor to spot something seriously wrong with some of these people. The guys who neglect their families to play video games? Yeah, not good there, though the one who tried to have sex and run PvP at the same time still stands out in my mind. The two player suicides I know of? Might have had some problems. Cosmic Horror was in a relationship abusive enough that her boyfriend at the time had a friend of his beat her till she miscarried (she was close to where I am and I visited her at the hospital). There was a guy in aridia back in the day who would spam bestiality **** in local that made even Duckeye's worst transgressions against the Minmatar chat channel look mild. It was one of the few good things about BoB running up into Fountain did was I never saw him again.
Now, granted, this is over ten years, and just the worst offenders. But yeah. From a player base of 400k-500k it is statistically inevitable that you'll have all of those things
I keep seeing this number being thrown around and I have to wonder why 90% of them never log in. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10660
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:40:00 -
[659] - Quote
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:I keep seeing this number being thrown around and I have to wonder why 90% of them never log in.
Clearly the 30-40k that are logged in at any given time are always the exact same players regardless of the time Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Norian Rever
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:41:00 -
[660] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Norian Rever wrote: And yes, there are people who behave like trash on these forums too, and should be treated accordingly.
Reduce, Reuse, Recycle?
Trash belongs in the bin.
Lets start with that. |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3961
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:42:00 -
[661] - Quote
Norian Rever wrote:
Trash belongs in the bin.
Lets start with that.
ok. "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
743
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:42:00 -
[662] - Quote
Medalyn Isis wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Solecist Project's Alt wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:On another tab i'm reading about some awful things happening to people in Syria. Then i click back to here and refresh, as posts arrive. The contrast is simply incredible. It's not legitimite to judge the people this way. It's not #FirstWorldProblems. Recognize the fact that Reykjaviks property intentionally got damaged and there is a cost involved in the repairment of this property. ... Dude, dead women and children, please. So because some parts of the world are so backward that they commit atrocities such as those in Syria, we should all judge our own country's people's behaviour by their low standard? I could use your argument to justify practically anything, as there is almost always something else worse going on the world.That's not how it works. There is no excuse for defacing this monument.
When it comes to a name scratched off a computer game's monument to itself, yes, there is always "something else worse going on the world". Perspective, people.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
JC Anderson
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1084
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:48:00 -
[663] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
The average age of an Eve Online player is, I believe, around the 30 mark.
Perhaps CCP believed that a protective covering for the monument was not necessary.
It is sad that CCP were mistaken in their belief.
Well it is in the cities Harbor, exposed to the elements and anybody else who happens by it. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1055
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:57:00 -
[664] - Quote
Andski wrote:GreasyCarl Semah wrote:I keep seeing this number being thrown around and I have to wonder why 90% of them never log in. Clearly the 30-40k that are logged in at any given time are always the exact same players regardless of the time
We are all AFK cloaking or spamming Jita. |
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
114
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:00:00 -
[665] - Quote
Andski wrote:GreasyCarl Semah wrote:I keep seeing this number being thrown around and I have to wonder why 90% of them never log in. Clearly the 30-40k that are logged in at any given time are always the exact same players regardless of the time
Of course, no one would be stupid enough to believe that we have half a million players that log in once every five days on average. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5826
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:02:00 -
[666] - Quote
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:Andski wrote:GreasyCarl Semah wrote:I keep seeing this number being thrown around and I have to wonder why 90% of them never log in. Clearly the 30-40k that are logged in at any given time are always the exact same players regardless of the time Of course, no one would be stupid enough to believe that we have half a million players that log in once every five days on average.
I have five accounts active now, and thanks to my work schedule I can log in for a decent amount of time for 2-3 consecutive days out of every 5 or so.
So yeah, it happens. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
114
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:09:00 -
[667] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:GreasyCarl Semah wrote:Andski wrote:GreasyCarl Semah wrote:I keep seeing this number being thrown around and I have to wonder why 90% of them never log in. Clearly the 30-40k that are logged in at any given time are always the exact same players regardless of the time Of course, no one would be stupid enough to believe that we have half a million players that log in once every five days on average. I have five accounts active now, and thanks to my work schedule I can log in for a decent amount of time for 2-3 consecutive days out of every 5 or so. So yeah, it happens.
Let's argue using anecdotes. READY.......... GO!! |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
3480
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:09:00 -
[668] - Quote
Jayem See wrote:I'd love to hear that story sometime. Be nice to hear something positive round these parts for a change.
Last year, Xenuria brought his Mom to FanFest, and she mentioned how much she enjoyed it. This got me thinking, and I asked my Mom (78 years young) if she'd like to visit Iceland. One thing lead to another, and while I was at FF, she was doing all the tours including Sisters of EVE. After FF we decided to kick it up a notch and went on a caving tour in one of the lava tubes.
She had a great time but thinks that SOE needs to be a bit more hardcore... Perhaps a special Mothers of EVE tour next year? Private Citizen GÇó CSM in recovery |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
3480
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:10:00 -
[669] - Quote
Double post removed Private Citizen GÇó CSM in recovery |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
451
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:11:00 -
[670] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:GreasyCarl Semah wrote:Andski wrote:GreasyCarl Semah wrote:I keep seeing this number being thrown around and I have to wonder why 90% of them never log in. Clearly the 30-40k that are logged in at any given time are always the exact same players regardless of the time Of course, no one would be stupid enough to believe that we have half a million players that log in once every five days on average. I have five accounts active now, and thanks to my work schedule I can log in for a decent amount of time for 2-3 consecutive days out of every 5 or so. So yeah, it happens.
I think he was talking about the average Concurrency numbers, which are down. Further, I suspect, but am not certain, that 500k includes all the servers, not just Tranquility. |
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Sibyyl
725
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:12:00 -
[671] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:When it comes to a name scratched off a computer game's monument to itself, yes, there is always "something else worse going on the world". Perspective, people. What's happening to people in Syria is terrible. War in Syria doesn't make defacement of the EVE monument any less terrible.
I'm not sure why you're comparing the two.
Unless you're going to get your checkbook out and donate, or strap a gun to your back and go help the rebels, please stop bringing Syria up like it's your own personal cause. This thread is about the EVE monument and how it pisses us EVE players off that someone screwed with it. Please stay on topic. Take solace knowing that even after the sun sets, and your sky is filled with darkness, that the sun is still shining. -D. Entervention Psychotic Monk joins BNI |
JC Anderson
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1084
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:17:00 -
[672] - Quote
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Jayem See wrote:I'd love to hear that story sometime. Be nice to hear something positive round these parts for a change. Last year, Xenuria brought his Mom to FanFest, and she mentioned how much she enjoyed it. This got me thinking, and I asked my Mom (78 years young) if she'd like to visit Iceland. One thing lead to another, and while I was at FF, she was doing all the tours including Sisters of EVE. After FF we decided to kick it up a notch and went on a caving tour in one of the lava tubes. She had a great time but thinks that SOE needs to be a bit more hardcore... Perhaps a special Mothers of EVE tour next year?
That is awesome. |
Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2620
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:18:00 -
[673] - Quote
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Jayem See wrote:I'd love to hear that story sometime. Be nice to hear something positive round these parts for a change. Last year, Xenuria brought his Mom to FanFest, and she mentioned how much she enjoyed it. This got me thinking, and I asked my Mom (78 years young) if she'd like to visit Iceland. One thing lead to another, and while I was at FF, she was doing all the tours including Sisters of EVE. After FF we decided to kick it up a notch and went on a caving tour in one of the lava tubes. She had a great time but thinks that SOE needs to be a bit more hardcore... Perhaps a special Mothers of EVE tour next year?
Haha - awesome. My Mum's been asking me about Eve for ages.
Thanks for replying Aaaaaaand relax. |
Marcius Decimus
UR Romex Outback Dustm3n
4
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:30:00 -
[674] - Quote
You know, I was just joking with my wife about this. Imagine if you will 1,000 years from now, the monument in iceland is one of the few things remaining of earth, all records have been wiped out and there is no cultural context to intepret.
A Meegob and his son (yeah I made that race up) come up to the monument and read the description: "From what we can discern, inscribed on this monument are the names of the dead from one of the space battles which occurred in Earth's history."
Son: Wow, that is a lot of earthlings to die in one battle.
Father: Yup, we think they were a pretty violent species.
Son: Weird names too. What does LOLCats48 mean you think?
Father: Well, some of the few remaining artifacts help explain that one son. Apparently this species venerated a feline species similar to our zargots, they were called LOLCats. They created thousands of pictures of them making strange faces and writing their ancient language on them. Many children were then named after the creature they worshiped. Since registering names with their species obviously required it to be unique, parents just added numbers. If you notice, not a single name on this monument is the same.
Son: earthlings were weird.
Father: Yup, let's go, we have time to see the giant ball of string that survived the destruction of the species. It is another memorial to their venerated LOLCats. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
744
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:33:00 -
[675] - Quote
Sibyyl wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:When it comes to a name scratched off a computer game's monument to itself, yes, there is always "something else worse going on the world". Perspective, people. What's happening to people in Syria is terrible. War in Syria doesn't make defacement of the EVE monument any less terrible.I'm not sure why you're comparing the two. Unless you're going to get your checkbook out and donate, or strap a gun to your back and go help the rebels, please stop bringing Syria up like it's your own personal cause. This thread is about the EVE monument and how it pisses us EVE players off that someone screwed with it. Please stay on topic.
Absolutely incredible. Terrible? Try lame. Juvenile. Petty. Insignificant. Forgettable.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
571
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:41:00 -
[676] - Quote
Stitcher wrote:KIller Wabbit wrote:Stitcher wrote:Nyphur wrote:How hard is it to scratch anodized aluminium? snip While there probably IS something out there that could resist both the salt-water splashing of a high tide in bad weather AND the clothing of people closely inspecting the monument (or of idiots who think their internet spaceships vendetta is worth vandalising a public monument for), I doubt that substance is inexpensive. The substance is called glass Hard, yes. Corrosive-resistant, also yes. The problem with glass is that it is also brittle and tends to produce surgically sharp edges when shattered. Also, slippery when wet. I'm thinking the city of Reykjavik probably DON'T want a monument where if somebody falls over on it while wearing goth pants, that person goes to the hospital looking like they just picked a fight with Freddy Krueger.
You ever tried to actually go through a thick plate glass window - like found everywhere in commercial buildings? Good luck.
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3964
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:46:00 -
[677] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:When it comes to a name scratched off a computer game's monument to itself, yes, there is always "something else worse going on the world". Perspective, people. What's happening to people in Syria is terrible. War in Syria doesn't make defacement of the EVE monument any less terrible.I'm not sure why you're comparing the two. Unless you're going to get your checkbook out and donate, or strap a gun to your back and go help the rebels, please stop bringing Syria up like it's your own personal cause. This thread is about the EVE monument and how it pisses us EVE players off that someone screwed with it. Please stay on topic. Absolutely incredible. Terrible? Try lame. Juvenile. Petty. Insignificant. Forgettable
Its not often I agree with Chopper but when I do its because he has perspective and is damn right.
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Meryl SinGarda
Raytheon Intergalactic Research Gatekeepers Universe
878
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:48:00 -
[678] - Quote
I would separate myself from my character, but I'm a sociopath in real life too I am a spaceship! |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1747
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Posted - 2014.05.06 17:09:00 -
[679] - Quote
My wife cut her finger to the bone while making a dinner but I told her to shut da frakk up and get some perspective, goddammit! I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
351
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Posted - 2014.05.06 17:38:00 -
[680] - Quote
I read this post by Andski: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4554301#post4554301
And then this post by Triskian: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4557269#post4557269
And was wondering why there is such a difference.
What has changed in the playerbase in a year, that would have caused such a difference ? |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3969
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Posted - 2014.05.06 17:43:00 -
[681] - Quote
Triskian wrote: people getting the crap kicked out of them over... flags. Punching someone out over a strip of cloth, breaking their nose, and kicking them when they're on the ground is (this happened, I don't know who it happened to, but it wasn't a pretty sight), in my opinion, far worse than what happened to the monument.
Did someone say fleg?
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Xenuria
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
847
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:00:00 -
[682] - Quote
Meryl SinGarda wrote:I would separate myself from my character, but I'm a sociopath in real life too
Hello Meryl, it's been awhile. For what it is worth I do not think that you are a sociopath in real life, you just don't fit into the boxes normal people would expect you too. CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1110
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:10:00 -
[683] - Quote
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/28/chinese-teenager-ding-jinhao-defaces-3500-year-old-egyptian-luxor-temple-engraving-name_n_3345141.html
Both were dumb things to do
Out of game, as in game, I believe in consequences. That applies, here.
Lay off the 'worse things happen in Syria' argument, please. It lacks any logical relation to this.
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10671
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:27:00 -
[684] - Quote
Synthetic Cultist wrote:What has changed in the playerbase in a year, that would have caused such a difference ?
Brave Newbies of course Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
561
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:31:00 -
[685] - Quote
That's exactly what i was thinking as well.
What the hell happened?
Though tbh, if someone causes trouble while visiting iceland for fanfest, just revoke their fanfest pass and make them pitch a tent near a volcano untill their plane leaves for home so the hotel and bars dont have to deal with him/her either.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
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CCP Falcon
6877
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:33:00 -
[686] - Quote
Hey guys,
Just to keep you updated on this, we're moving forward with investigations and suchlike, and have had a visit at CCP Headquarters from a couple of players with further information this evening that's basically confirmed everything for us.
We'll have more details for you guys hopefully sometime tomorrow. Thanks for your patience.
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents |
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MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
311
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:37:00 -
[687] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys,
Just to keep you updated on this, we're moving forward with investigations and suchlike, and have had a visit at CCP Headquarters from a couple of players with further information this evening that's basically confirmed everything for us.
We'll have more details for you guys hopefully sometime tomorrow. Thanks for your patience.
Plot twist: it was a GM setting up Gevlon! (Kidding! Kidding!)
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Bjurn Akely
Knights of Nii The 20 Minuters
55
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:38:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Bjurn Akely wrote:[
Serious mental issues? OK, Doctor... if you say so. A lot of them it doesn't take a doctor to spot something seriously wrong with some of these people. The guys who neglect their families to play video games? Yeah, not good there, though the one who tried to have sex and run PvP at the same time still stands out in my mind. The two player suicides I know of? Might have had some problems. Cosmic Horror was in a relationship abusive enough that her boyfriend at the time had a friend of his beat her till she miscarried (she was close to where I am and I visited her at the hospital). There was a guy in aridia back in the day who would spam bestiality **** in local that made even Duckeye's worst transgressions against the Minmatar chat channel look mild. It was one of the few good things about BoB running up into Fountain did was I never saw him again. Now, granted, this is over ten years, and just the worst offenders. But yeah.
This is what we call anecdotal evidence. Even if it was true, which it might or might not be, it is still only a fraction of what is needed for your statement to be true. But yeah, people can be pretty crazy, I'll grant you that. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18221
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:39:00 -
[689] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:I would separate myself from my character, but I'm a sociopath in real life too Hello Meryl, it's been awhile. For what it is worth I do not think that you are a sociopath in real life, you just don't fit into the boxes normal people would expect you too. Edit: It appears that the monument was vandalized again, my name is now almost completely scratched out. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bm8_IycIAAE7Sad.jpg Some people are just vindictive, while many of us like to poke fun at you, the defacement of the monument is childish, uncalled for and just plain disgraceful.
Whoever vandalised it should be ashamed of themselves, and made to pay for repairs on top of any other sanctions imposed.
Never go full Ripard |
Bjurn Akely
Knights of Nii The 20 Minuters
55
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:41:00 -
[690] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:We'll have more details for you guys hopefully sometime tomorrow. Thanks for your patience.
Please do not go back on your word in this. I mean giving us info, not the time-frame. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10672
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:44:00 -
[691] - Quote
Bjurn Akely wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:We'll have more details for you guys hopefully sometime tomorrow. Thanks for your patience.
Please do not go back on your word in this. I mean giving us info, not the time-frame.
I hope you're not expecting them to say anything beyond "we have discovered the person who defaced the monument and are taking steps to hold them accountable" when they do discover something conclusive. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Belt Scout
Forum alts make you mad
373
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:44:00 -
[692] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys,
Just to keep you updated on this, we're moving forward with investigations and suchlike, and have had a visit at CCP Headquarters from a couple of players with further information this evening that's basically confirmed everything for us.
We'll have more details for you guys hopefully sometime tomorrow. Thanks for your patience.
Be sure to let us know exactly who did it and what the consequences were so that we can slap this baby into high gear and open the throttle to a proper threadnaught.
EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now. |
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CCP Falcon
6878
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:48:00 -
[693] - Quote
Belt Scout wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys,
Just to keep you updated on this, we're moving forward with investigations and suchlike, and have had a visit at CCP Headquarters from a couple of players with further information this evening that's basically confirmed everything for us.
We'll have more details for you guys hopefully sometime tomorrow. Thanks for your patience.
Be sure to let us know exactly who did it and what the consequences were so that we can slap this baby into high gear and open the throttle to a proper threadnaught.
There's no way in hell we'll release anyone's identities, character name, corporate affiliation or otherwise. We will not be part of a witch hunt.
That said, there'll be more details when we're ready to release them, which should be soon.
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents |
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DrSmegma
Smegma United
74
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:50:00 -
[694] - Quote
Wow, they had an initial assumption and it was "confirmed" (sic)?
Who would have thought. fffffffffffff |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1844
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:51:00 -
[695] - Quote
So is it a criminal offence defacing public property or will the person in question get perma ban and some sort of fine. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Belt Scout
Forum alts make you mad
373
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:52:00 -
[696] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Belt Scout wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys,
Just to keep you updated on this, we're moving forward with investigations and suchlike, and have had a visit at CCP Headquarters from a couple of players with further information this evening that's basically confirmed everything for us.
We'll have more details for you guys hopefully sometime tomorrow. Thanks for your patience.
Be sure to let us know exactly who did it and what the consequences were so that we can slap this baby into high gear and open the throttle to a proper threadnaught. There's no way in hell we'll release anyone's identities, character name, corporate affiliation or otherwise. We will not be part of a witch hunt. That said, there'll be more details when we're ready to release them, which should be soon.
Dammit. I just ordered 500 pitchforks from amazon. What am I supposed to do with the other 499 of them?
Just messing with ya Falcon.
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EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18222
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:58:00 -
[697] - Quote
Belt Scout wrote:Dammit. I just ordered 500 pitchforks from amazon. What am I supposed to do with the other 499 of them? 500 pitchforks? I had to have the local fire department round to issue a storage licence for the 2500 flaming torches I purchased at a knockdown price from fleaBay.
Never go full Ripard |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9578
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:59:00 -
[698] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:So is it a criminal offence defacing public property or will the person in question get perma ban and some sort of fine. It is a criminal offense, but the perpetrator is probably beyond the reach of Icelandic law enforcement by now. I don't know how these things work, but I'd be surprised if he were able to come back without being arrested or fined. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
197
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:13:00 -
[699] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:I would separate myself from my character, but I'm a sociopath in real life too Hello Meryl, it's been awhile. For what it is worth I do not think that you are a sociopath in real life, you just don't fit into the boxes normal people would expect you too. Edit: It appears that the monument was vandalized again, my name is now almost completely scratched out. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bm8_IycIAAE7Sad.jpg They must have gone back and vandalized it some more. They even managed to scratch some of the other names surrounding. What a complete plonker this person must be.
I think CCP should setup some CCTV around the monument for future. Then at least we could catch them in the act if they are foolish enough to try it again. |
virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine Yulai Federation
89
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:14:00 -
[700] - Quote
DrSmegma wrote:Wow, they had an initial assumption and it was "confirmed" (sic)?
Who would have thought.
I do not think this word is spelled the way you think it is spelled. - Inigo Montoya's brother.
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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1218
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:15:00 -
[701] - Quote
Reiisha wrote:[quote=Lady Areola Fappington]Also - Someone poking at the monument with a knife causing this kind of damage kinda has me worried about the claim that it will stand for 1000 years. ;p
Especially in a land known for its active volcanos ....
This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
Bjurn Akely
Knights of Nii The 20 Minuters
55
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:15:00 -
[702] - Quote
Andski wrote:Bjurn Akely wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:We'll have more details for you guys hopefully sometime tomorrow. Thanks for your patience.
Please do not go back on your word in this. I mean giving us info, not the time-frame. I hope you're not expecting them to say anything beyond "we have discovered the person who defaced the monument and are taking steps to hold them accountable" when they do discover something conclusive.
I don't expect CCP to do, no. Others perhaps will. I'm not that interested in 'who'. I'm more interested to see the matter solved and that the person(s) involved are punished.
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2338
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:18:00 -
[703] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Belt Scout wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys,
Just to keep you updated on this, we're moving forward with investigations and suchlike, and have had a visit at CCP Headquarters from a couple of players with further information this evening that's basically confirmed everything for us.
We'll have more details for you guys hopefully sometime tomorrow. Thanks for your patience.
Be sure to let us know exactly who did it and what the consequences were so that we can slap this baby into high gear and open the throttle to a proper threadnaught. There's no way in hell we'll release anyone's identities, character name, corporate affiliation or otherwise. We will not be part of a witch hunt. That said, there'll be more details when we're ready to release them, which should be soon.
Not that it will stop folk speculating.
This is not a signature. |
Bjurn Akely
Knights of Nii The 20 Minuters
55
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:19:00 -
[704] - Quote
Worthy punishment:
Permaban. Charges on vandalism. Name permanently removed from monument.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
13245
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:22:00 -
[705] - Quote
Bjurn Akely wrote:Worthy punishment: Permaban. Charges on vandalism. Name permanently removed from monument and replaced with Unsuccessful at Everything.
Fixed and Agreed. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5415
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:23:00 -
[706] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Belt Scout wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys,
Just to keep you updated on this, we're moving forward with investigations and suchlike, and have had a visit at CCP Headquarters from a couple of players with further information this evening that's basically confirmed everything for us.
We'll have more details for you guys hopefully sometime tomorrow. Thanks for your patience.
Be sure to let us know exactly who did it and what the consequences were so that we can slap this baby into high gear and open the throttle to a proper threadnaught. There's no way in hell we'll release anyone's identities, character name, corporate affiliation or otherwise. We will not be part of a witch hunt. That said, there'll be more details when we're ready to release them, which should be soon.
Will this in any way affect the availability of the perp's stuff for distribution? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
311
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:26:00 -
[707] - Quote
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Bjurn Akely wrote:Worthy punishment: Permaban. Charges on vandalism. Name permanently removed from monument and replaced with placed upon Unsuccessful at Everything. Fixed and Agreed. Fixed again.
MDD |
Dave Stark
5338
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:27:00 -
[708] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:We will not be part of a witch hunt.
unless ripard blogs about it first? |
Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
827
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:28:00 -
[709] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote: Will this in any way affect the availability of the perp's stuff for distribution?
Haha, asking the important questions I see |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
200
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:32:00 -
[710] - Quote
I hope Mr. Gudmundsson reads this thread.
He would realize that the monument he created is quite obviously 'working as intended'.
In his own words, 'melding his art with the world of EVE' - a world where, for every moron, there are hundreds of people that feel and care strongly about their game, their community and their symbols. |
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5416
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:39:00 -
[711] - Quote
Hannott Thanos wrote:Doc Fury wrote: Will this in any way affect the availability of the perp's stuff for distribution?
Haha, asking the important questions I see
Never let a serious crisis go to waste. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Belt Scout
Forum alts make you mad
373
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:41:00 -
[712] - Quote
J3ssica Alba wrote:Reiisha wrote:[quote=Lady Areola Fappington]Also - Someone poking at the monument with a knife causing this kind of damage kinda has me worried about the claim that it will stand for 1000 years. ;p Especially in a land known for its active volcanos ....
Isn't CCP's building located in a harbor a few feet from the Atlantic? Where's this aluminum monument in relation to that salt air?
Hopefully the laptop that was supposed to be buried underneath it isn't in an aluminum enclosure as well.
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EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9578
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:47:00 -
[713] - Quote
Belt Scout wrote:Isn't CCP's building located in a harbor a few feet from the Atlantic? Where's this aluminum monument in relation to that salt air? The monument is like 20 feet from the water iirc. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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shaft MKII
Phoenix Enterprise Inc Absolute Darkness
6
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:50:00 -
[714] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Belt Scout wrote:Isn't CCP's building located in a harbor a few feet from the Atlantic? Where's this aluminum monument in relation to that salt air? The monument is like 20 feet from the water iirc.
You guys do know aluminum doesn't rust or corrode like most steal or iron does right? |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
201
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:53:00 -
[715] - Quote
shaft MKII wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Belt Scout wrote:Isn't CCP's building located in a harbor a few feet from the Atlantic? Where's this aluminum monument in relation to that salt air? The monument is like 20 feet from the water iirc. You guys do know aluminum doesn't rust or corrode like most steal or iron does right? Quick Google-fu:
Aluminum corrodes but it does not rust. Rust refers only to iron and steel corrosion.
Aluminum is actually very prone to corrosion. However, aluminum corrosion is aluminum oxide, a very hard material that actually protects the aluminum from further corrosion. Aluminum oxide corrosion also looks a lot more like aluminum (dull gray to powdery white in color), so it isn't as easy to notice as rusted iron. |
shaft MKII
Phoenix Enterprise Inc Absolute Darkness
6
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:57:00 -
[716] - Quote
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:shaft MKII wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Belt Scout wrote:Isn't CCP's building located in a harbor a few feet from the Atlantic? Where's this aluminum monument in relation to that salt air? The monument is like 20 feet from the water iirc. You guys do know aluminum doesn't rust or corrode like most steal or iron does right? Quick Google-fu: Aluminum corrodes but it does not rust. Rust refers only to iron and steel corrosion.
Aluminum is actually very prone to corrosion. However, aluminum corrosion is aluminum oxide, a very hard material that actually protects the aluminum from further corrosion. Aluminum oxide corrosion also looks a lot more like aluminum (dull gray to powdery white in color), so it isn't as easy to notice as rusted iron.
I stand corrected. |
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society Affirmative.
334
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:00:00 -
[717] - Quote
Reiisha wrote:That's exactly what i was thinking as well. What the hell happened? Though tbh, if someone causes trouble while visiting iceland for fanfest, just revoke their fanfest pass and make them pitch a tent near a volcano untill their plane leaves for home so the hotel and bars dont have to deal with him/her either. I was there and don't even know what happened.. then again I didn't stay around til 6 in the morning. Anyone else witnessed those things Triskian reported?.. |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3015
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:06:00 -
[718] - Quote
Removed some more off topic posts. Please, keep it civil and on topic, thank you. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Belt Scout
Forum alts make you mad
376
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:09:00 -
[719] - Quote
shaft MKII wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:shaft MKII wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Belt Scout wrote:Isn't CCP's building located in a harbor a few feet from the Atlantic? Where's this aluminum monument in relation to that salt air? The monument is like 20 feet from the water iirc. You guys do know aluminum doesn't rust or corrode like most steal or iron does right? Quick Google-fu: Aluminum corrodes but it does not rust. Rust refers only to iron and steel corrosion.
Aluminum is actually very prone to corrosion. However, aluminum corrosion is aluminum oxide, a very hard material that actually protects the aluminum from further corrosion. Aluminum oxide corrosion also looks a lot more like aluminum (dull gray to powdery white in color), so it isn't as easy to notice as rusted iron. I stand corrected.
My thinking was more on the scale of time CCP expects this monument to be around. The anodizing is a layer of ceramic like material on the surface that should replace the oxidizing effect in salt air. But again, i was thinking of the long term expectations.
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Aleph Paradox
Valar Morghulis. Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:14:00 -
[720] - Quote
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Jayem See wrote:I'd love to hear that story sometime. Be nice to hear something positive round these parts for a change. Last year, Xenuria brought his Mom to FanFest, and she mentioned how much she enjoyed it. This got me thinking, and I asked my Mom (78 years young) if she'd like to visit Iceland. One thing lead to another, and while I was at FF, she was doing all the tours including Sisters of EVE. After FF we decided to kick it up a notch and went on a caving tour in one of the lava tubes. She had a great time but thinks that SOE needs to be a bit more hardcore... Perhaps a special Mothers of EVE tour next year?
My Mom was with us this year too, She watched the DUST 514 keynotes with me, they gave her a free Quafe Shirt and she came to the party for a few hours too. There should definitely be a "Mothers of EVE" Event/Tour/Group ^_^ Aleph Paradox CEO / Director of Operations Wired Reality |
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1751
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:18:00 -
[721] - Quote
Wow, that thing with taking moms to Fanfest sounds very heartwarming and awesome.
On the other hand Norman Bates...
Sorry couldn't resist, cheers to every mom cool enough to participate in nerdfest at the top of the world with her kids :) I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1464
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:26:00 -
[722] - Quote
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:shaft MKII wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Belt Scout wrote:Isn't CCP's building located in a harbor a few feet from the Atlantic? Where's this aluminum monument in relation to that salt air? The monument is like 20 feet from the water iirc. You guys do know aluminum doesn't rust or corrode like most steal or iron does right? Quick Google-fu: Aluminum corrodes but it does not rust. Rust refers only to iron and steel corrosion.
Aluminum is actually very prone to corrosion. However, aluminum corrosion is aluminum oxide, a very hard material that actually protects the aluminum from further corrosion. Aluminum oxide corrosion also looks a lot more like aluminum (dull gray to powdery white in color), so it isn't as easy to notice as rusted iron. who are you and why are you educating our forums? "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart." -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15327
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:29:00 -
[723] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Malcanis, I do agree that one idiot can cast the many in a poor light.
But, judging by the earlier post by Triskian, it would seem that there was more than one idiot.
I thought one of the many reasons for going to the fan-fest was to have a beer and a joke with those you 'hate' in-game?
That was very much my experience. There were lots of chunky, pale, black-clad nerds at FF, but they were pretty much all happy, enthusiastic, bright people that it was a pleasure to meet.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15327
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:30:00 -
[724] - Quote
Schmata Bastanold wrote:Wow, that thing with taking moms to Fanfest sounds very heartwarming and awesome.
On the other hand Norman Bates...
Sorry couldn't resist, cheers to every mom cool enough to participate in nerdfest at the top of the world with her kids :)
Trebor's mother is a lovely lady and it was a pleasure to meet her. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
571
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:40:00 -
[725] - Quote
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:shaft MKII wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Belt Scout wrote:Isn't CCP's building located in a harbor a few feet from the Atlantic? Where's this aluminum monument in relation to that salt air? The monument is like 20 feet from the water iirc. You guys do know aluminum doesn't rust or corrode like most steal or iron does right? Quick Google-fu: Aluminum corrodes but it does not rust. Rust refers only to iron and steel corrosion.
Aluminum is actually very prone to corrosion. However, aluminum corrosion is aluminum oxide, a very hard material that actually protects the aluminum from further corrosion. Aluminum oxide corrosion also looks a lot more like aluminum (dull gray to powdery white in color), so it isn't as easy to notice as rusted iron.
Until you drop mercury on it...
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1117
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:23:00 -
[726] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:
Trebor's mother is a lovely lady and it was a pleasure to meet her.
Seconded.
And for the record, for every person of dubious hygiene or clothing options I met there were many many more happy well adjusted (except for being eve players) folks that it was a pleasure to talk to and be with.
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Mike Azariah-á CSM8 |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4867
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:34:00 -
[727] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Wow, that thing with taking moms to Fanfest sounds very heartwarming and awesome.
On the other hand Norman Bates...
Sorry couldn't resist, cheers to every mom cool enough to participate in nerdfest at the top of the world with her kids :) Trebor's mother is a lovely lady and it was a pleasure to meet her.
Hmmm - a "Bring your mother to Eve" live event.... heh heh. Unlikely but interesting. I still recall watching my mother try to play Pac Man back in the early 80s. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1753
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:38:00 -
[728] - Quote
Mike AzarAIAH
That was funny to watch you correcting CCP mimic twice :)
Geezus, Fanfest seems to be so awesome and full of win kind of place. I was watching stream (or recordings at evening when RL got in a way during a day) wishing I could be there and experience it myself. And yet here we are in this thread... I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
748
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Posted - 2014.05.06 23:08:00 -
[729] - Quote
Mike Azariah wrote:... Lay off the 'worse things happen in Syria' argument, please. It lacks any logical relation to this.
m
Here's the logical relationship for you: you are equated with what concerns you.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
210
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Posted - 2014.05.07 00:48:00 -
[730] - Quote
Only thing I can think of is DUST. Not meant to be a shot at DUST players, but this year they were very explicitly urged to come, and then "treated" to a presentation that basically told them that CCP was moving away from their platform of choice. Note, I think Legion is a fantastic leap in the right direction and I'm looking forward to playing it, but I imagine the console fellas were less enthused, and perhaps a little more likely to express that anger in various ways. Pure speculation, though. "EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler |
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Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
205
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:23:00 -
[731] - Quote
Sephira Galamore wrote: Anyone else witnessed those things Triskian reported?..
I know at least a few people were talking about it when I was still in Iceland. Hopefully at least some of them will step foward with confirmation, but the sad truth is that anyone involved in the fighting will probably keep quiet about it.
Wibla mentioned seeing a fight at the hotdog stand around 5am one morning, but thinks it was locals not fanfest goers. The locals seemed to be involved in some of the other fighting from what I've heard and seen. Kesper had to pin a local against a wall for 5-10 minutes until they calmed down after trying to push past him roughly, and they looked ready to throw down until they realized they were being pinned by someone many times their size. I personally think that would've ended badly had Kesper not defused the situation in the way he did because there were three of us there with him and at that point we probably would've dogpiled the guy had he started throwing punches. It was almost funny watching the anger in the guy's face get slowly replaced with pants-shitting fear. I say almost funny because at the time it was funny, but after sobering up, it really wasn't.
For the most part my experiences with other people this year were stellar. Luckily, I didn't get involved in any of the fighting, but saw a lot of it, and heard mention of other fights. |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
205
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:26:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Mike AzarAIAH
That was funny to watch you correcting CCP mimic twice :)
Geezus, Fanfest seems to be so awesome and full of win kind of place. I was watching stream (or recordings at evening when RL got in a way during a day) wishing I could be there and experience it myself. And yet here we are in this thread...
Don't let what's happened prevent you from coming to a future fanfest. The reality is that for the majority of folks who go it is a fun time where you get to party with people you don't get to see all that often, and that's what it was like this year. Last year was a lot calmer despite the larger numbers.
Don't let a few jerks ruin the fun you could potentially have there.
E: Sorry for the double post. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5317
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Posted - 2014.05.07 02:19:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:Stitcher wrote:KIller Wabbit wrote:Stitcher wrote:Nyphur wrote:How hard is it to scratch anodized aluminium? snip While there probably IS something out there that could resist both the salt-water splashing of a high tide in bad weather AND the clothing of people closely inspecting the monument (or of idiots who think their internet spaceships vendetta is worth vandalising a public monument for), I doubt that substance is inexpensive. The substance is called glass Hard, yes. Corrosive-resistant, also yes. The problem with glass is that it is also brittle and tends to produce surgically sharp edges when shattered. Also, slippery when wet. I'm thinking the city of Reykjavik probably DON'T want a monument where if somebody falls over on it while wearing goth pants, that person goes to the hospital looking like they just picked a fight with Freddy Krueger. You ever tried to actually go through a thick plate glass window - like found everywhere in commercial buildings? Good luck.
I have, in fact, been thrown through a plate glass window (door actually, but whatever). Hurt like hell. Just this side of what I'd imagine being thrown through a brick wall feels like.
I recommend not fooling around near glass buildings when on a Tequila bender.
Don't say you weren't warned.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Xenuria
The Scope Gallente Federation
848
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:06:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I have, in fact, been thrown through a plate glass window (door actually, but whatever). Hurt like hell. Just this side of what I'd imagine being thrown through a brick wall feels like. I recommend not fooling around near glass buildings when on a Tequila bender. Don't say you weren't warned. Mr Epeen
I have been thrown through some interesting solids but never plate glass. As I said I have a rather problematic sensitivity to pain. I cannot imagine being thrown at something like that. I am somewhat confused as to how the monument was vandalized once more. I would think that surveillance would be a priority after the first time they messed with my name.
I await my catharsis and the justice soon to come. CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
5
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:39:00 -
[735] - Quote
Sephira Galamore wrote:Reiisha wrote:That's exactly what i was thinking as well. What the hell happened? Though tbh, if someone causes trouble while visiting iceland for fanfest, just revoke their fanfest pass and make them pitch a tent near a volcano untill their plane leaves for home so the hotel and bars dont have to deal with him/her either. I was there and don't even know what happened.. then again I didn't stay around til 6 in the morning. Anyone else witnessed those things Triskian reported?..
Although I did not attend Fanfest I can bring to mind some of the human behavior associated with this. Naturally EVE is an older persons game. It is time based unlike the COD and BF players perfer instant gratification and await the next release. So iin theory it separates the kids from the adults. Well unfortunately these kids start to grow up and they will flock together. I am friends with people in my corp outside of EVE and we all are pretty much over the age of 27. We have one exception ableit a son of a corp member. The problem is that the player base is getting younger and it is not comprised of the computer "nerds" as people may beieve. I know military, ATCs, Firemen (myself included) and other professions that enjoy this alternative relality. However when it comes to collective behavior the masses sometimes line up together and stupidity prevails. A group of a few can make an entire community look like complete trash. Hence my signature below. -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
5
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:47:00 -
[736] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys,
Just to keep you updated on this, we're moving forward with investigations and suchlike, and have had a visit at CCP Headquarters from a couple of players with further information this evening that's basically confirmed everything for us.
We'll have more details for you guys hopefully sometime tomorrow. Thanks for your patience.
I am going to through this out there.
CCP will do the right thing when it comes to due process and such. That being said they will not release the names, identities, or corp/alliances being given as that would result in zero professionalism and betray the trust of its players base. If you did something stupid and then realized your errors would you want to be thrown to the wolves. I am not saying with this toon did was right but everyone has their day in court or any type of council. If they are admitting to it, and are will to pay for it and take their punishments then all will be done.
Remember names travel fast in this verse and if this pilot will probably kicked from their corp in a very ugly/public way. Just because I am not a fan of the Goons doesn't mean I want them all out of EVE. They bring some commical to the game and do produced some of the best D*** battles I have been a part of. -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4868
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:54:00 -
[737] - Quote
Triskian wrote:Considering how extremely upset some people in this thread are, I think it bears mentioning that if the person or persons involved are caught, that it is in fact not okay to obliterate their names from the monument in some kind of revenge. Nor is it okay to enact your own justice upon them in other ways. CCP is handling it, you don't need to do anything other than be outraged or come forward with information. I've gotten that vibe from some of the posts in this thread that some random person might take it upon themselves to do something equally stupid to what's already happened. Many of the posts in this thread could very well be scaring the vandal off from stepping forward due to fear of retribution that does not fit the crime.
I noticed that this year's fanfest was far more violent than last year's. Brawls at Nora's, cop cars and paddy wagons filled up with drunk assholes, and people getting the crap kicked out of them over pubcrawl flags. Punching someone out over a strip of cloth, breaking their nose, and kicking them when they're on the ground is (this happened, I don't know who it happened to, but it wasn't a pretty sight), in my opinion, far worse than what happened to the monument. The vandalism might be explained partially by the general attitude of some folks who play the game and can't distinguish reality from internet space and consumption of alcohol, but there is never any excuse for violently attacking someone unless it's self-defence. The night of the Party At the Top of the World I saw the cops tossing people into the paddy wagon almost wholesale, something that did not happen last year. From what I saw, despite there being far fewer people, there were a lot more people getting arrested for being ******* drunks than last year.
A lot of vandalism (putting your name on the walls in the washrooms of a bar is vandalism too, folks), fighting, and general assholery happened this year. The monument vandal should be ashamed, but we should also be ashamed. Maybe we should appologize as a community to the city of Reykjavic for our behaviour and consider ourselves lucky that they're letting us come back next year. We can do better, we have done better, and we should do better.
Holy cow. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9580
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Posted - 2014.05.07 04:29:00 -
[738] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:... Lay off the 'worse things happen in Syria' argument, please. It lacks any logical relation to this.
m Here's the logical relationship for you: you are equated with what concerns you. Thank you for this completely superfluous lesson in relativity, but problems are still problems even if there are worse things going on elsewhere. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Miichael Epic
The Neutral Zone
15
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Posted - 2014.05.07 04:53:00 -
[739] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:We're well aware of this, and are dealing with the situation as we speak. Frankly, on a personal note, I find this absolutely disgusting and completely detrimental to the EVE Community's close knit spirit. We'll have more information tomorrow afternoon/evening regarding this. Really sorry that this has happened guys
Are you serious? Legit....please lend me a moment of your time. You and all of your cohorts at CCP games have created a hostile gaming environment. You yourselves have even told people to "HTFU" which is rude as rude gets and makes you guilty of the exact things you're illuminating as absolutely disgusting.
Have you played EVE lately? Miner gankers. Lets talk about them. Lets shoot a miner, that can't fight back and has either no weapons, or just 5 little drones and that's cool. You have Concord, ok...I get the Concord thing. But you are building a world and letting people come home from their miserable existences where they earn minimum wage or get dissed on by the head cheerleader and football jock and take out all of their aggression and Misanthrophy on mobile tractor units and peaceful players just hanging out having a good 'ol time.
I understand that the EVE market relies on things like that to function and if no miner every got destroyed then Hulks would be 10 for 0.99 cents/isk. I get it. However....your "Concord" consequence is not a consequence at all. You can just warp and cloak after like, what? 45 seconds? poof...problem solved.
You act surprised like you haven't created this miserable f!cking existence in this game. People are mean here because you give them the tools to be mean. Its spilled out into Twitter, Erotica1 was banned for being a f!cking psychopath and what else is going on? I talked to a guy tonight who tried to gank me in Daran and told him attacking a miner that can't fight back is like a grown man beating his wife because he knows she won't do anything about it.
That's the lessons you're instilling in the players by allowing this nonsense. You need to not worry about 10 expansions, Valkyrie, Legion/Dust and focus on building an environment that is friendlier. You're basically sucking in the Call of Duty crowd and telling them its ok to continue to be bullies and buttholes and mean and torture people through social media and in real life.
There are real people behind every toon/avatar you see. Some of us aren't devoid of morals and ethics. You say you care, but do you really? It doesn't seem like it. You are doing a job, little CCP (insert name here) has a real name and was a little boy playing Cowboys and Indians (or Cowboys and Aliens lol) once upon a time and you grew up to a game developer and got a job so you can stock your fridge full of snacks and buy diapers for the baby. This is a job to you. You get paid to do it....if things start sucking, you can just go work somewhere else. We all do that. If my job started sucking, I'd move on.
So what shows that you give a crap about anything? You work for, or ARE the devil in disguise that perpetuates all of this hysteria with your videos telling gamers to HTFU and the player base with their various terms "carebear" and the idiots who message you in game and tell you that you're ignorant but don't realize by the very essence of them messaging you to TELL YOU that you are ignorant makes them twice as ignorant as they perceive you to be.
The stupidity of this community is bewildering. Now I'm sure you sit there armed full of carebeat htfu why are you playing responses because you and the community literally do not possess the required thought processing brain power to formulate or articulate an eloquent response, and that's fine. Knock yourself out with your depraved sense of morality and ethical standing.
But don't sit on your own forum, CCP somebody and tell me that you are disgusted. You did this. Do you see this type of sh!t going on in A Kingdom of Keflings? Nope.
Think about why. Dwell on that. I'm not saying make the game baby friendly....but its like a 3rd world country in New Eden where people lack the ability to be civil or think rationally. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9580
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Posted - 2014.05.07 04:57:00 -
[740] - Quote
Oh for ****'s sake. This moronic conjecture of yours has been addressed and debunked many times in this thread. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5441
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Posted - 2014.05.07 04:58:00 -
[741] - Quote
Miichael Epic wrote: tl;dr. It's all CCP's fault.
I hope you are wearing something containing a fire retardant. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9580
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Posted - 2014.05.07 04:59:00 -
[742] - Quote
Miichael Epic wrote:The stupidity of this community is bewildering. I guess you must be right about that. It did produce your post after all. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Miichael Epic
The Neutral Zone
15
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:03:00 -
[743] - Quote
Case and point. **** talkers. No intelligent responses.
Idiots need to be cast off on an island or shot in the head. Worthless hatemongers with their lack of intelligence. Makes me sick. Sick to my stomach.
Worthless, arrogant, narcissistic nothings with nothing to live for...cling to your opinions instead of fact, work off of the "thrill" of talking crap to me. Say things have been debunked, can't pinpoint one in a response. Can work the emoticon faces though. My time too precious to deal with this....*waves* C'est la vie, dipshits. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9580
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:05:00 -
[744] - Quote
Miichael Epic wrote:Idiots need to be cast off on an island or shot in the head. Saving so you can't edit this out.
I don't even have to argue against you, this part speaks for itself. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Belt Scout
Forum alts make you mad
380
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:11:00 -
[745] - Quote
Miichael Epic wrote:Case and point. **** talkers. No intelligent responses.
Idiots need to be cast off on an island or shot in the head. Worthless hatemongers with their lack of intelligence. Makes me sick. Sick to my stomach.
Worthless, arrogant, narcissistic nothings with nothing to live for...cling to your opinions instead of fact, work off of the "thrill" of talking crap to me. Say things have been debunked, can't pinpoint one in a response. Can work the emoticon faces though. My time too precious to deal with this....*waves* C'est la vie, dipshits.
Shot in the head for smack talking on an internet forum? Yeah ok kiddo. You better move along back to xbox live.
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EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2250
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:14:00 -
[746] - Quote
Miichael Epic wrote:Case and point. **** talkers. No intelligent responses.
Idiots need to be cast off on an island or shot in the head. Worthless hatemongers with their lack of intelligence. Makes me sick. Sick to my stomach.
Worthless, arrogant, narcissistic nothings with nothing to live for...cling to your opinions instead of fact, work off of the "thrill" of talking crap to me. Say things have been debunked, can't pinpoint one in a response. Can work the emoticon faces though. My time too precious to deal with this....*waves* C'est la vie, dipshits.
You just near-perfectly described yourself. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5441
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:15:00 -
[747] - Quote
Miichael Epic wrote: C'est la vie, dipshits.
On t'a berc+¬ trop pr+¿s du mur?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Miichael Epic
The Neutral Zone
15
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:20:00 -
[748] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Miichael Epic wrote: C'est la vie, dipshits. On t'a berc+¬ trop pr+¿s du mur?
Un peu....je ne peux pas supporter I'absence de moralite que n'importe qui a ici. Regardez ces gens repondant a me...not un artucule intelligent reponse...Doc |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9582
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:22:00 -
[749] - Quote
"I think morality is a problem in this game. We should shoot anyone who disagrees with me." "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Tavin Aikisen
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
265
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:23:00 -
[750] - Quote
Miichael Epic wrote:
Are you serious? Legit....please lend me a moment of your time. You and all of your cohorts at CCP games have created a hostile gaming environment. You yourselves have even told people to "HTFU" which is rude as rude gets and makes you guilty of the exact things you're illuminating as absolutely disgusting.
They've created a hostile gaming environment yet. They have not asked players to extend their passions into the metagame. That's like blaming two athletes of a sports league for fighting off the field because the sport they participate in encourages fierce competition.
Great logic there, Spock. Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home. -Cold Wind |
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1754
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:24:00 -
[751] - Quote
Oh c'mon, like null had never produced similarly stu0pid... You don't have to drag everything into "nerf hisec" campaign. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1462
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:25:00 -
[752] - Quote
Miichael Epic wrote: However....your "Concord" consequence is not a consequence at all. You can just warp and cloak after like, what? 45 seconds? poof...problem solved. No, this isn't correct.
The mechanics don't work this way at all. A ganker has 100% assurance of losing their ship. They are not allowed to avoid Concord and there are mechanisms in place to prevent them from avoiding Concord.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Miichael Epic
The Neutral Zone
15
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:30:00 -
[753] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:"I think morality is a problem in this game. We should shoot anyone who disagrees with me."
That's another tactic of people like you. You take one thing I say, twist it how it works for you and repost it to me as if you're "one-upping" me. That's what I am talking about. I said my peace, addressed CCP Falcon. Why are you even in it? You or Belt or Doc or whoever else....what's your purpose?
You need the thrill of talking back to me. You know I can't do anything about it except talk back. You feed off of it like a superstar feeds off the red carpet. You don't feel the knot in your chest and the weight of being aware that you're speaking plain English (or French, though admittedly I only know sloppy French) and yet the people around you either don't understand or don't want to understand.
The people I feel that should be shot in the head are the heretics. The instigators. The people this thread was made about who take this crap off of a game and into real life. I'll be in bed soon, next to a beautiful young woman 11 years my junior who adores me. You want to know why? Because I make her feel like a princess. She only knows about EVE online because I tell her I am mining while I am at work. I don't blow up Twitter or scratch up a monument because you blew up my mining barge. If I ever met you in real life, I'd probably give you a fist bump and tell ya have a nice day.
But you, James....you take it upon yourself to infringe on my right to post on the forum addressing clearly the words from CCP Falcon and try to make it about you. You're selfish. You're jaded and can't see past the end of your nose. A+B conversation, C your way out of it holmes.
Do you not understand? Imagine if we eliminated the CoD mentality. "I just wanna shoot people in the face." "mmm delicious tears"
If you could be granted one wish, I'd ask for $1 every time someone in this game uttered one of those phrases. You'd be rich in a day. Do you not see the problem with that? The community feeds off of the negativity and depravity. Those types of people are worthless and do not benefit the world. Be rid of them, permanently. Its why stupid people shouldn't be allowed to breed. |
Miichael Epic
The Neutral Zone
15
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:32:00 -
[754] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:Miichael Epic wrote: However....your "Concord" consequence is not a consequence at all. You can just warp and cloak after like, what? 45 seconds? poof...problem solved. No, this isn't correct. The mechanics don't work this way at all. A ganker has 100% assurance of losing their ship. They are not allowed to avoid Concord and there are mechanisms in place to prevent them from avoiding Concord. In relation to the rest of your post, this thread isn't about the broader morals in the community. It's about the action of a single (as far as we know) person. This thread doesn't have to be turned into a soapbox against playstyles that you personally find distasteful, because within the thread almost all people, no matter what playstyle they prefer, has expressed a similar view about the act that occurred.
Bless you. Legit. Logging into the game right now to send you 100 million isk. A intelligent well articulated response. You're my goddamn hero tonight.
(p.s. I've seen someone do it in the Nemesis, so there has to be a way around Concord) |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1462
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:40:00 -
[755] - Quote
Miichael Epic wrote:(p.s. I've seen someone do it in the Nemesis, so there has to be a way around Concord) That may have been a while ago as I think the mechanism now prevents warping.
However, that aside CCP have ruled that avoiding Concord is not allowed and if you do and are reported, it is a bannable action.
I'll see if I can dig up the ruling and edit it back into this post.
EDIT: Right on the Concord mechanics evelopedia page. Second paragraph. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
749
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:47:00 -
[756] - Quote
Miichael Epic wrote:... stupid people shouldn't be allowed to breed.
Prroblem with that is that everybody, i mean everybody, has someone who thinks they are stupid for something. Pretty extreme thing to say, too. Extremes are where you go when you run out of ideas.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Miichael Epic
The Neutral Zone
15
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:47:00 -
[757] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:Miichael Epic wrote:(p.s. I've seen someone do it in the Nemesis, so there has to be a way around Concord) That may have been a while ago as I think the mechanism now prevents warping. However, that aside CCP have ruled that avoiding Concord is not allowed and if you do and are reported, it is a bannable action. I'll see if I can dig up the ruling and edit it back into this post. EDIT: Right on the Concord mechanics evelopedia page. Second paragraph.
I see that for sure...but man it was the gnarliest thing because dude warped in with his nemesis, started dropping bombs and sure enough, within like 5-10 seconds there was Concord, but dude warped out and was in local cussing up a storm being like Concord can't touch me, stupid NPC police ships can't beat my cloak and blah blah blah. Nobody responded to him and after a few minutes he left the system idk if he stargate jumped out or just went offline *shrugs*
100 mil for ya as promised....appreciate you actually writing a response that required thought. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9582
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:51:00 -
[758] - Quote
Miichael Epic wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:"I think morality is a problem in this game. We should shoot anyone who disagrees with me." That's another tactic of people like you. You take one thing I say, twist it how it works for you and repost it to me as if you're "one-upping" me. That's what I am talking about. I said my peace, addressed CCP Falcon. Why are you even in it? You or Belt or Doc or whoever else....what's your purpose? You need the thrill of talking back to me. You know I can't do anything about it except talk back. You feed off of it like a superstar feeds off the red carpet. You don't feel the knot in your chest and the weight of being aware that you're speaking plain English (or French, though admittedly I only know sloppy French) and yet the people around you either don't understand or don't want to understand. The people I feel that should be shot in the head are the heretics. The instigators. The people this thread was made about who take this crap off of a game and into real life. I'll be in bed soon, next to a beautiful young woman 11 years my junior who adores me. You want to know why? Because I make her feel like a princess. She only knows about EVE online because I tell her I am mining while I am at work. I don't blow up Twitter or scratch up a monument because you blew up my mining barge. If I ever met you in real life, I'd probably give you a fist bump and tell ya have a nice day. But you, James....you take it upon yourself to infringe on my right to post on the forum addressing clearly the words from CCP Falcon and try to make it about you. You're selfish. You're jaded and can't see past the end of your nose. A+B conversation, C your way out of it holmes. Do you not understand? Imagine if we eliminated the CoD mentality. "I just wanna shoot people in the face." "mmm delicious tears" If you could be granted one wish, I'd ask for $1 every time someone in this game uttered one of those phrases. You'd be rich in a day. Do you not see the problem with that? The community feeds off of the negativity and depravity. Those types of people are worthless and do not benefit the world. Be rid of them, permanently. Its why stupid people shouldn't be allowed to breed. Your evemail telling me how much of a real man you are and I'm not is a little at odds with your whining about my having challenged your opinion.
Your opinion isn't sacred and you don't have a right to post on this forum, merely a privilege which can be taken from you. Regardless my perfectly spot-on assessments of your posts don't infringe upon this privilege in any way. See, I have that same privilege, and as part of that privilege I'm free to voice my complete and utter disagreement with everything you've said. It doesn't matter who you were addressing - you posted it here, so it's free for all.
That's also, incidentally, how free speech works. You're free to say what you want, and I'm free to call you on your bullshit. Part of being a real man is being able to take criticism. You should try it sometime. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Miichael Epic
The Neutral Zone
15
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:53:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Miichael Epic wrote:... stupid people shouldn't be allowed to breed. Prroblem with that is that everybody, i mean everybody, has someone who thinks they are stupid for something. Pretty extreme thing to say, too. Extremes are where you go when you run out of ideas.
That's a sound point....but opinion vs logic I think is where the line should be drawn. Examine some real life less than desirable individuals...please lend me you ear and indulge me a brief moment.
I work at a pawn shop in real life and today a regular customer brought in an air conditioning unit. It was dirty as if it had rolled around in a pigpen with the piggies and upon plugging it up and turning it on, we saw cockroaches crawl out of it. We unplugged it and got it out of the store as quickly as possible.
Now wouldn't you agree that anyone that disgusting is stupid? That underlying principal and logic should restrain that person from breeding yet with him was his bratty little 3 year old tagalong child with a dirty face, disheveled and wrinkled clothing and ragamuffin look.
There is opinion and then there is fact. That's all I'm saying. Stupid people should not be allowed to breed. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9582
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:56:00 -
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And yes you used to be able to evade CONCORD by warping around. I did it once. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Miichael Epic
The Neutral Zone
16
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Posted - 2014.05.07 05:57:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Your evemail telling me how much of a real man you are and I'm not is a little at odds with your whining about my having challenged your opinion.
Your opinion isn't sacred and you don't have a right to post on this forum, merely a privilege which can be taken from you. Regardless my perfectly spot-on assessments of your posts don't infringe upon this privilege in any way. See, I have that same privilege, and as part of that privilege I'm free to voice my complete and utter disagreement with everything you've said. It doesn't matter who you were addressing - you posted it here, so it's free for all.
That's also, incidentally, how free speech works. You're free to say what you want, and I'm free to call you on your bullshit. Part of being a real man is being able to take criticism. You should try it sometime.
con-+tra-+dic-+tion -îk+ñntr+Ö-êdikSH+Ön/ noun noun: contradiction; plural noun: contradictions
a combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another. "the proposed new system suffers from a set of internal contradictions" a person, thing, or situation in which inconsistent elements are present. "the paradox of using force to overcome force is a real contradiction" the statement of a position opposite to one already made. "the second sentence appears to be in flat contradiction of the first" synonyms:denial, refutation, rebuttal, countering More |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9582
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Posted - 2014.05.07 06:02:00 -
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There wasn't any. At least, none from me. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1463
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Posted - 2014.05.07 06:03:00 -
[763] - Quote
Miichael Epic wrote:100 mil for ya as promised....appreciate you actually writing a response that required thought. Umm ok.
I don't need the ISK, so I donated it to James 315 to buy shares on your behalf.
Hope that was ok.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Miichael Epic
The Neutral Zone
16
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Posted - 2014.05.07 06:04:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Miichael Epic wrote:100 mil for ya as promised....appreciate you actually writing a response that required thought. Umm ok. I don't need the ISK, so I donated it to James 315 to buy shares on your behalf. Hope that was ok.
That's actually pretty funny lol well played sir, my hats off to ya |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2340
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Posted - 2014.05.07 06:27:00 -
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Miichael Epic wrote:Case and point. **** talkers. No intelligent responses.
Idiots need to be cast off on an island or shot in the head. Worthless hatemongers with their lack of intelligence. Makes me sick. Sick to my stomach.
Worthless, arrogant, narcissistic nothings with nothing to live for...cling to your opinions instead of fact, work off of the "thrill" of talking crap to me. Say things have been debunked, can't pinpoint one in a response. Can work the emoticon faces though. My time too precious to deal with this....*waves* C'est la vie, dipshits.
For the sake of the game, I hope you are a goon alt trolling. This is not a signature. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2340
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Posted - 2014.05.07 06:32:00 -
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Removed unkind comment This is not a signature. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18230
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Posted - 2014.05.07 08:12:00 -
[767] - Quote
Miichael Epic wrote:(p.s. I've seen someone do it in the Nemesis, so there has to be a way around Concord) If you've seen someone avoid Concord then you should report them to CCP, evading Concord is considered to be an exploit.
I'm not even going to comment on the rest of the "content" in your posts.
Never go full Ripard |
JC Anderson
State Protectorate Caldari State
1087
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Posted - 2014.05.07 09:13:00 -
[768] - Quote
Miichael Epic wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Miichael Epic wrote: However....your "Concord" consequence is not a consequence at all. You can just warp and cloak after like, what? 45 seconds? poof...problem solved. No, this isn't correct. The mechanics don't work this way at all. A ganker has 100% assurance of losing their ship. They are not allowed to avoid Concord and there are mechanisms in place to prevent them from avoiding Concord. In relation to the rest of your post, this thread isn't about the broader morals in the community. It's about the action of a single (as far as we know) person. This thread doesn't have to be turned into a soapbox against playstyles that you personally find distasteful, because within the thread almost all people, no matter what playstyle they prefer, has expressed a similar view about the act that occurred. Bless you. Legit. Logging into the game right now to send you 100 million isk. A intelligent well articulated response. You're my goddamn hero tonight. (p.s. I've seen someone do it in the Nemesis, so there has to be a way around Concord)
Its actually considered an exploit if you find a way to avoid Concord once you have drawn their attention. This has come up in the past as well. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1272
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Posted - 2014.05.07 09:16:00 -
[769] - Quote
dear miichael epic, stop reading Friedrich Nietzsche Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á Soylent Green Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
1463
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Posted - 2014.05.07 09:24:00 -
[770] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:dear miichael epic, stop reading Friedrich Nietzsche Indeed while a good read, too much of it can bring bad cases of self-important nihilism.
Being a moderate cynic is good enough, so put the damn books away for a while and go do some volunteer work to some sort of ONG or something. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
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Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
198
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Posted - 2014.05.07 09:31:00 -
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Miichael Epic wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Miichael Epic wrote:... stupid people shouldn't be allowed to breed. Prroblem with that is that everybody, i mean everybody, has someone who thinks they are stupid for something. Pretty extreme thing to say, too. Extremes are where you go when you run out of ideas. That's a sound point....but opinion vs logic I think is where the line should be drawn. Examine some real life less than desirable individuals...please lend me you ear and indulge me a brief moment. I work at a pawn shop in real life and today a regular customer brought in an air conditioning unit. It was dirty as if it had rolled around in a pigpen with the piggies and upon plugging it up and turning it on, we saw cockroaches crawl out of it. We unplugged it and got it out of the store as quickly as possible. Now wouldn't you agree that anyone that disgusting is stupid? That underlying principal and logic should restrain that person from breeding yet with him was his bratty little 3 year old tagalong child with a dirty face, disheveled and wrinkled clothing and ragamuffin look. There is opinion and then there is fact. That's all I'm saying. Stupid people should not be allowed to breed. I'd say he is pretty smart actually for managing to flog a dirty air conditioning unit full of cockroaches to you. But you must be pretty stupid for buying it from him. Does that mean you should be castrated? |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
198
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Posted - 2014.05.07 09:36:00 -
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Miichael Epic wrote:"I think morality is a problem in this game. We should shoot anyone who disagrees with me." I said my peace, addressed CCP Falcon. Why are you even in it?[/quote] Right, second evidence of stupidity here. This calls for your immediate castration wouldn't you agree?
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JC Anderson
State Protectorate Caldari State
1087
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Posted - 2014.05.07 09:37:00 -
[773] - Quote
Medalyn Isis wrote: I'd say he is pretty smart actually for managing to flog a dirty air conditioning unit full of cockroaches to you. But you must be pretty stupid for buying it from him. Does that mean you should be castrated?
I wish my AC was that exciting.
In any sense, I can't even remember the damn topic of this thread anymore. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1274
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Posted - 2014.05.07 09:39:00 -
[774] - Quote
Miichael Epic wrote: with him was his bratty little 3 year old tagalong child with a dirty face, disheveled and wrinkled clothing and ragamuffin look.
you are describing literally every 3 year old.
Quote:Stupid people should not be allowed to breed. no, they should be educated, lest they pick up inflamatory ideas like that one. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á Soylent Green Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
266
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Posted - 2014.05.07 10:10:00 -
[775] - Quote
Miichael Epic wrote:
Are you serious? Legit....please lend me a moment of your time. You and all of your cohorts at CCP games have created a hostile gaming environment. You yourselves have even told people to "HTFU" which is rude as rude gets and makes you guilty of the exact things you're illuminating as absolutely disgusting.
If you don't understand the meaning of HTFU by now, you never will. It's a game. Stop crying, harden it up, strap on some guns, and go explode something. After exploding something, wish the target a GF. If you get exploded, wish the person who exploded you a GF. Learn from the experience. Harden up. In no way does CCP encourage a environment that justifies actual real world vandalism and destruction of private property, and if you are unable to see that - I fear for your ability to put things in perspective and separate a video game from reality.
Miichael Epic wrote: Have you played EVE lately? Miner gankers. Lets talk about them. Lets shoot a miner, that can't fight back and has either no weapons, or just 5 little drones and that's cool. You have Concord, ok...I get the Concord thing. But you are building a world and letting people come home from their miserable existences where they earn minimum wage or get dissed on by the head cheerleader and football jock and take out all of their aggression and Misanthrophy on mobile tractor units and peaceful players just hanging out having a good 'ol time.
I understand that the EVE market relies on things like that to function and if no miner every got destroyed then Hulks would be 10 for 0.99 cents/isk. I get it. However....your "Concord" consequence is not a consequence at all. You can just warp and cloak after like, what? 45 seconds? poof...problem solved.
And this proves you have no knowledge whatsoever of game mechanics. Miners have plenty of ability to defend themselves (mostly using the proper ship and fitting for the job and being at the keyboard in the first place tend to help - much like any other action you could take in EVE). Also, you cannot "just warp and cloak" after a criminal act in high-sec. The second you open fire, you are doomed to be exploded by CONCORD. This is not some huge secret, and is part of basic game mechanics. Perhaps a fast re-run through the tutorials would do you good?
Miichael Epic wrote: You act surprised like you haven't created this miserable f!cking existence in this game. People are mean here because you give them the tools to be mean. Its spilled out into Twitter, Erotica1 was banned for being a f!cking psychopath and what else is going on? I talked to a guy tonight who tried to gank me in Daran and told him attacking a miner that can't fight back is like a grown man beating his wife because he knows she won't do anything about it.
Right. We all know that shooting other spaceships in a game about shooting spaceships or scamming greedy players who have no understanding of game mechanics in a video game set in a cold, dark, hostile future dystopian universe is totally the same thing as physical violence in the real world against your spouse. Do you realize how insane you sound?
Miichael Epic wrote: Think about why. Dwell on that. I'm not saying make the game baby friendly....but its like a 3rd world country in New Eden where people lack the ability to be civil or think rationally.
Yeah, it is like a third world county - full of people like you who lack the ability to even create a forum post without profanity (we all know what you wanted to type but you had to use a ! to get around the word filter), be rational (comparing the actions in a fictional universe that exists inside a video game to spousal abuse) or express yourself in a civil way. Your post was the exact polar opposite of what you are preaching here. |
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2014.05.07 10:21:00 -
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The amount of post that has been edited out just goes to show why this vandalism was no shock to anyone. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
206
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Posted - 2014.05.07 10:38:00 -
[777] - Quote
Miichael Epic wrote:Stupid people should not be allowed to breed. Don't be so hard on yourself, mate.
I'm sure you are, or could be, a wonderful dad. |
Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
5
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Posted - 2014.05.07 11:19:00 -
[778] - Quote
Miichael Epic wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:We're well aware of this, and are dealing with the situation as we speak. Frankly, on a personal note, I find this absolutely disgusting and completely detrimental to the EVE Community's close knit spirit. We'll have more information tomorrow afternoon/evening regarding this. Really sorry that this has happened guys Are you serious? Legit....please lend me a moment of your time. You and all of your cohorts at CCP games have created a hostile gaming environment. You yourselves have even told people to "HTFU" which is rude as rude gets and makes you guilty of the exact things you're illuminating as absolutely disgusting. Have you played EVE lately? Miner gankers. Lets talk about them. Lets shoot a miner, that can't fight back and has either no weapons, or just 5 little drones and that's cool. You have Concord, ok...I get the Concord thing. But you are building a world and letting people come home from their miserable existences where they earn minimum wage or get dissed on by the head cheerleader and football jock and take out all of their aggression and Misanthrophy on mobile tractor units and peaceful players just hanging out having a good 'ol time. I understand that the EVE market relies on things like that to function and if no miner every got destroyed then Hulks would be 10 for 0.99 cents/isk. I get it. However....your "Concord" consequence is not a consequence at all. You can just warp and cloak after like, what? 45 seconds? poof...problem solved. You act surprised like you haven't created this miserable f!cking existence in this game. People are mean here because you give them the tools to be mean. Its spilled out into Twitter, Erotica1 was banned for being a f!cking psychopath and what else is going on? I talked to a guy tonight who tried to gank me in Daran and told him attacking a miner that can't fight back is like a grown man beating his wife because he knows she won't do anything about it. That's the lessons you're instilling in the players by allowing this nonsense. You need to not worry about 10 expansions, Valkyrie, Legion/Dust and focus on building an environment that is friendlier. You're basically sucking in the Call of Duty crowd and telling them its ok to continue to be bullies and buttholes and mean and torture people through social media and in real life. There are real people behind every toon/avatar you see. Some of us aren't devoid of morals and ethics. You say you care, but do you really? It doesn't seem like it. You are doing a job, little CCP (insert name here) has a real name and was a little boy playing Cowboys and Indians (or Cowboys and Aliens lol) once upon a time and you grew up to a game developer and got a job so you can stock your fridge full of snacks and buy diapers for the baby. This is a job to you. You get paid to do it....if things start sucking, you can just go work somewhere else. We all do that. If my job started sucking, I'd move on. So what shows that you give a crap about anything? You work for, or ARE the devil in disguise that perpetuates all of this hysteria with your videos telling gamers to HTFU and the player base with their various terms "carebear" and the idiots who message you in game and tell you that you're ignorant but don't realize by the very essence of them messaging you to TELL YOU that you are ignorant makes them twice as ignorant as they perceive you to be. The stupidity of this community is bewildering. Now I'm sure you sit there armed full of carebeat htfu why are you playing responses because you and the community literally do not possess the required thought processing brain power to formulate or articulate an eloquent response, and that's fine. Knock yourself out with your depraved sense of morality and ethical standing. But don't sit on your own forum, CCP somebody and tell me that you are disgusted. You did this. Do you see this type of sh!t going on in A Kingdom of Keflings? Nope. Think about why. Dwell on that. I'm not saying make the game baby friendly....but its like a 3rd world country in New Eden where people lack the ability to be civil or think rationally.
The only thing Epic about this is the Fail... too soon? -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine Yulai Federation
90
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Posted - 2014.05.07 11:56:00 -
[779] - Quote
Miichael Epic wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:We're well aware of this, and are dealing with the situation as we speak. Frankly, on a personal note, I find this absolutely disgusting and completely detrimental to the EVE Community's close knit spirit. We'll have more information tomorrow afternoon/evening regarding this. Really sorry that this has happened guys Are you serious? Legit....please lend me a moment of your time. You and all of your cohorts at CCP games have created a hostile gaming environment. You yourselves have even told people to "HTFU" which is rude as rude gets and makes you guilty of the exact things you're illuminating as absolutely disgusting. Have you played EVE lately? Miner gankers. Lets talk about them. Lets shoot a miner, that can't fight back and has either no weapons, or just 5 little drones and that's cool. You have Concord, ok...I get the Concord thing. But you are building a world and letting people come home from their miserable existences where they earn minimum wage or get dissed on by the head cheerleader and football jock and take out all of their aggression and Misanthrophy on mobile tractor units and peaceful players just hanging out having a good 'ol time. I understand that the EVE market relies on things like that to function and if no miner every got destroyed then Hulks would be 10 for 0.99 cents/isk. I get it. However....your "Concord" consequence is not a consequence at all. You can just warp and cloak after like, what? 45 seconds? poof...problem solved. You act surprised like you haven't created this miserable f!cking existence in this game. People are mean here because you give them the tools to be mean. Its spilled out into Twitter, Erotica1 was banned for being a f!cking psychopath and what else is going on? I talked to a guy tonight who tried to gank me in Daran and told him attacking a miner that can't fight back is like a grown man beating his wife because he knows she won't do anything about it. That's the lessons you're instilling in the players by allowing this nonsense. You need to not worry about 10 expansions, Valkyrie, Legion/Dust and focus on building an environment that is friendlier. You're basically sucking in the Call of Duty crowd and telling them its ok to continue to be bullies and buttholes and mean and torture people through social media and in real life. There are real people behind every toon/avatar you see. Some of us aren't devoid of morals and ethics. You say you care, but do you really? It doesn't seem like it. You are doing a job, little CCP (insert name here) has a real name and was a little boy playing Cowboys and Indians (or Cowboys and Aliens lol) once upon a time and you grew up to a game developer and got a job so you can stock your fridge full of snacks and buy diapers for the baby. This is a job to you. You get paid to do it....if things start sucking, you can just go work somewhere else. We all do that. If my job started sucking, I'd move on. So what shows that you give a crap about anything? You work for, or ARE the devil in disguise that perpetuates all of this hysteria with your videos telling gamers to HTFU and the player base with their various terms "carebear" and the idiots who message you in game and tell you that you're ignorant but don't realize by the very essence of them messaging you to TELL YOU that you are ignorant makes them twice as ignorant as they perceive you to be. The stupidity of this community is bewildering. Now I'm sure you sit there armed full of carebeat htfu why are you playing responses because you and the community literally do not possess the required thought processing brain power to formulate or articulate an eloquent response, and that's fine. Knock yourself out with your depraved sense of morality and ethical standing. But don't sit on your own forum, CCP somebody and tell me that you are disgusted. You did this. Do you see this type of sh!t going on in A Kingdom of Keflings? Nope. Think about why. Dwell on that. I'm not saying make the game baby friendly....but its like a 3rd world country in New Eden where people lack the ability to be civil or think rationally.
There comes a point where so many people are telling you that you don't get it at all that you have to consider the very real uncomfortable possibility that's it's you with the perspective issue and not everyone else. Eve is sold as a cold harsh sandbox. Complaining that it's cold and harsh does not prove that CCP is wrong, it proves you didn't have a clue what you signed up for. You start with a single assumption - that you can do whatever you want in "high sec" without being in any danger - and from that assumption build a house of cards. Unfortunately your cornerstone assumption is false, and all the meticulous "logic" and "reason" you have built on top has a deeply flawed foundation. It does not stand up. You are already aware of the consequences of this incorrect assumption, but rather than understand your error and adapt from a more pragmatic point of view to the reality of the situation you have chosen the path of cognitive dissonance that everyone and everything else is wrong and you are right. Even the laws of physics of the Eve universe are faulty in your eyes. The sooner you understand that it is your core assumption that is wrong and adapt to reality the sooner you will have fun playing in this glorious sandbox most of us love so much. Conversely the more time and effort you invest into trying to adapt the world to you, the more of your own resource you are wasting, and the greater your disappointment. |
Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
5
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:41:00 -
[780] - Quote
virm pasuul wrote:Miichael Epic wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:We're well aware of this, and are dealing with the situation as we speak. Frankly, on a personal note, I find this absolutely disgusting and completely detrimental to the EVE Community's close knit spirit. We'll have more information tomorrow afternoon/evening regarding this. Really sorry that this has happened guys Are you serious? Legit....please lend me a moment of your time. You and all of your cohorts at CCP games have created a hostile gaming environment. You yourselves have even told people to "HTFU" which is rude as rude gets and makes you guilty of the exact things you're illuminating as absolutely disgusting. Have you played EVE lately? Miner gankers. Lets talk about them. Lets shoot a miner, that can't fight back and has either no weapons, or just 5 little drones and that's cool. You have Concord, ok...I get the Concord thing. But you are building a world and letting people come home from their miserable existences where they earn minimum wage or get dissed on by the head cheerleader and football jock and take out all of their aggression and Misanthrophy on mobile tractor units and peaceful players just hanging out having a good 'ol time. I understand that the EVE market relies on things like that to function and if no miner every got destroyed then Hulks would be 10 for 0.99 cents/isk. I get it. However....your "Concord" consequence is not a consequence at all. You can just warp and cloak after like, what? 45 seconds? poof...problem solved. You act surprised like you haven't created this miserable f!cking existence in this game. People are mean here because you give them the tools to be mean. Its spilled out into Twitter, Erotica1 was banned for being a f!cking psychopath and what else is going on? I talked to a guy tonight who tried to gank me in Daran and told him attacking a miner that can't fight back is like a grown man beating his wife because he knows she won't do anything about it. That's the lessons you're instilling in the players by allowing this nonsense. You need to not worry about 10 expansions, Valkyrie, Legion/Dust and focus on building an environment that is friendlier. You're basically sucking in the Call of Duty crowd and telling them its ok to continue to be bullies and buttholes and mean and torture people through social media and in real life. There are real people behind every toon/avatar you see. Some of us aren't devoid of morals and ethics. You say you care, but do you really? It doesn't seem like it. You are doing a job, little CCP (insert name here) has a real name and was a little boy playing Cowboys and Indians (or Cowboys and Aliens lol) once upon a time and you grew up to a game developer and got a job so you can stock your fridge full of snacks and buy diapers for the baby. This is a job to you. You get paid to do it....if things start sucking, you can just go work somewhere else. We all do that. If my job started sucking, I'd move on. So what shows that you give a crap about anything? You work for, or ARE the devil in disguise that perpetuates all of this hysteria with your videos telling gamers to HTFU and the player base with their various terms "carebear" and the idiots who message you in game and tell you that you're ignorant but don't realize by the very essence of them messaging you to TELL YOU that you are ignorant makes them twice as ignorant as they perceive you to be. The stupidity of this community is bewildering. Now I'm sure you sit there armed full of carebeat htfu why are you playing responses because you and the community literally do not possess the required thought processing brain power to formulate or articulate an eloquent response, and that's fine. Knock yourself out with your depraved sense of morality and ethical standing. But don't sit on your own forum, CCP somebody and tell me that you are disgusted. You did this. Do you see this type of sh!t going on in A Kingdom of Keflings? Nope. Think about why. Dwell on that. I'm not saying make the game baby friendly....but its like a 3rd world country in New Eden where people lack the ability to be civil or think rationally. There comes a point where so many people are telling you that you don't get it at all that you have to consider the very real uncomfortable possibility that's it's you with the perspective issue and not everyone else. Eve is sold as a cold harsh sandbox. Complaining that it's cold and harsh does not prove that CCP is wrong, it proves you didn't have a clue what you signed up for. You start with a single assumption - that you can do whatever you want in "high sec" without being in any danger - and from that assumption build a house of cards. Unfortunately your cornerstone assumption is false, and all the meticulous "logic" and "reason" you have built on top has a deeply flawed foundation. It does not stand up. You are already aware of the consequences of this incorrect assumption, but rather than understand your error and adapt from a more pragmatic point of view to the reality of the situation you have chosen the path of cognitive dissonance that everyone and everything else is wrong and you are right. Even the laws of physics of the Eve universe are faulty in your eyes. The sooner you understand that it is your core assumption that is wrong and adapt to reality the sooner you will have fun playing in this glorious sandbox most of us love so much. Conversely the more time and effort you invest into trying to adapt the world to you, the more of your own resource you are wasting, and the greater your disappointment.
The only thing Epic about this is EVERYTHING!! -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Gaellia Bonaventure
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2240
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:52:00 -
[781] - Quote
Eve Online was designed from the ground up to be a cold, hard place.
That's the game. That's what the entire game is about. Okay, it's an economic simulator first, but the foundation of the game is "cold and hard."
That's the game. It's not going to change. There are many things which need to be addressed, imo.
But that's the game.
Bring your possibles. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3325
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:54:00 -
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Miichael Epic wrote:Are you serious? Legit....please lend me a moment of your time. You and all of your cohorts at CCP games have created a hostile gaming environment. You yourselves have even told people to "HTFU" which is rude as rude gets and makes you guilty of the exact things you're illuminating as absolutely disgusting. Yes, it's disgusting that a player will take a game dispute and deface a piece of public art, which is an actual crime. I also wouldn't just go "meh, it's just the HTFU mentality" if someone got beaten to death over a video game either.
Miichael Epic wrote:Have you played EVE lately? Miner gankers. Lets talk about them. Lets shoot a miner, that can't fight back and has either no weapons, or just 5 little drones and that's cool. You have Concord, ok...I get the Concord thing. But you are building a world and letting people come home from their miserable existences where they earn minimum wage or get dissed on by the head cheerleader and football jock and take out all of their aggression and Misanthrophy on mobile tractor units and peaceful players just hanging out having a good 'ol time. This is an assumption you make, and a very poor assumption at that. You are just generalising what you would think would constitute a "loser" in real life and claiming that anyone who likes to blow stuff up in a game must be that type of person and must be compensating. I could get into generalising what type of person you are, coming around whining that the game isn't easy enough for you to play in complete safety, even though the game actively advertises against being that type of game. I won't however, since assuming someones real life situation from a single aspect of their online persona is one of the dumbest things you can do.
Miichael Epic wrote: However....your "Concord" consequence is not a consequence at all. You can just warp and cloak after like, what? 45 seconds? poof...problem solved. Wrong. evading concord by any means is an exploit. If you gank and invoke a concord response, you lose your ship. Always. If you don't you get banned (and lose your ship).
Miichael Epic wrote:I talked to a guy tonight who tried to gank me in Daran and told him attacking a miner that can't fight back is like a grown man beating his wife because he knows she won't do anything about it. So you told him that, great. I mean that isn't fact, that's just your opinion, and opinion that most of the community (as well as most people with a basic education) would disagree with. Fighting a miner is a perfectly valid and legitimate way to PVP. If you don't like it, do something about it. If you can't be bothered to do something about it, then stop crying about it.
Miichael Epic wrote:The stupidity of this community is bewildering. Now I'm sure you sit there armed full of carebeat htfu why are you playing responses because you and the community literally do not possess the required thought processing brain power to formulate or articulate an eloquent response, and that's fine. Knock yourself out with your depraved sense of morality and ethical standing. Actually, yes, that would be the response. Why are you playing? This game is clearly not for you. You don't like the game so why are you playing it? Oh yeah, I remember, it's because you are supposedly an "exploit specialist" and were brought in to exploit a flaw for large volumes of riches, yet you sit around in peasant mining barges and frigates getting shot, then crying about it. Good job buddy. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3327
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:56:00 -
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Miichael Epic wrote:I'll be in bed soon, next to a beautiful young woman 11 years Dude, you are sick mate.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
JC Anderson
State Protectorate Caldari State
1087
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:02:00 -
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Gaellia Bonaventure wrote:Eve Online was designed from the ground up to be a cold, hard place.
That's the game. That's what the entire game is about. Okay, it's an economic simulator first, but the foundation of the game is "cold and hard."
That's the game. It's not going to change. There are many things which need to be addressed, imo.
But that's the game.
No... Its a spreadsheet that has a remarkable knack for fooling us into thinking it's a game. |
Matteus Hopkins
Gordian Industrial Holdings
0
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:06:00 -
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Miichael Epic wrote:Its why stupid people shouldn't be allowed to breed. So whens your vasectomy booked for?
Eve is dog eat dog, if you can't handle that there's hundreds of other games out there for you to play, a couple of "upcoming" ones even involve internet spaceships. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3330
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:12:00 -
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Miichael Epic wrote:I work at a pawn shop in real life and today a regular customer brought in an air conditioning unit. It was dirty as if it had rolled around in a pigpen with the piggies and upon plugging it up and turning it on, we saw cockroaches crawl out of it. We unplugged it and got it out of the store as quickly as possible.
Now wouldn't you agree that anyone that disgusting is stupid? That underlying principal and logic should restrain that person from breeding yet with him was his bratty little 3 year old tagalong child with a dirty face, disheveled and wrinkled clothing and ragamuffin look.
There is opinion and then there is fact. That's all I'm saying. Stupid people should not be allowed to breed. I would say that the state of an air conditioning unit he was trying to sell has absolutely no bearing on his level of intelligence. I mean read what you've written here. Basically you are stating that anyone that is dirty is stupid. Can you honestly not see an issue with that kind of stereotyping? You don't even provide any sort of evidence for that being the case. You just saw a guy who was dirty and assumed he was a moron.
And yes, there is a difference between opinion and fact. What you have stated is opinion, not fact. That you can't see that hardly speaks volumes for your own level of intelligence. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine Yulai Federation
95
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:16:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Miichael Epic wrote:I'll be in bed soon, next to a beautiful young woman 11 years Dude, you are sick mate.
It seems to be a certain type of player who needs to bring real life into a discussion about a game to prove how right/clever/sexy/desirable/successful they are. As if a person's real life somethings make them more qualified or a better human being in real life, and thus right in what they say about the game. It's sort of like when an argument breaks out and one person tries to prove how physically awesome they are by telling us how big and strong they are, and how they like to beat d**bags up, and how much the Dbag deserved beating up.
There's this thing called the internet. Trying to prove you are big and strong and better than everyone else on the internet according to yourself was proved to be a guaranteed losing tactic in any argument on day two of the internet. That was a long time ago. Nothing has changed in that regard in the meantime. All it results in is hilarity and mockery.
Reminds me of the song "Mr Apollo" by the Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band. Here's a little for your reading pleasure: Please consider listening to it :)
I have seen Mr. Apollo Uproot trees with his bare hands I have seen Mr. Apollo's Body-building plan
He's the strongest man The world has ever seen And if you take his courses He'll make you big and rough And...and you can beat up bullies Till they cry "Oh, lor', oh crikey, Let go, you rotter! Don't punish me!"
When you're tough (You're very fit) Your voice is gruff (It sounds like grit) You are so strong (And proud of it) Thanks to Mr. Apollo
Follow Mr. Apollo Everybody knows he's the greatest benefactor of mankind Follow Mr. Apollo Everybody knows that a healthy body makes a healthy mind |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
1464
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:18:00 -
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after the last few pages I find that this thread:
- has indeed lived out his purpose - has become even a worse cesspool than a hibridized spawn of CAOD and /b/ - can't be locked fast enough.
even the goons aren't this bad for ****'s sake.
IBTL and stuff. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
JC Anderson
State Protectorate Caldari State
1089
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:19:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:after the last few pages I find that this thread:
- has indeed lived out his purpose - has become even a worse cesspool than a hibridized spawn of CAOD and /b/ - can't be locked fast enough.
even the goons aren't this bad for ****'s sake.
IBTL and stuff.
Well Falcon did say he would have something to tell us today, so the thread would have likely went kaput after that anyhow. |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
1464
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:22:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:Grimpak wrote:after the last few pages I find that this thread:
- has indeed lived out his purpose - has become even a worse cesspool than a hibridized spawn of CAOD and /b/ - can't be locked fast enough.
even the goons aren't this bad for ****'s sake.
IBTL and stuff. Well Falcon did say he would have something to tell us today, so the thread would have likely went kaput after that anyhow. for sanity's sake, I hope so. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18233
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:25:00 -
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virm pasuul wrote: Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band. +1 for the reference, not something I ever expected to see on an internet spaceships forum.
Relevant
Never go full Ripard |
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate Caldari State
227
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:40:00 -
[792] - Quote
Mittani got a one month ban for basically issuing a death threat
Erotica1 got banned for laughing at a willing participant
Giving the above whom ever defaced the monument will probably be handed a fully pimped titan Pog mo thoin |
Maria Firn
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:41:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:after the last few pages I find that this thread:
- has indeed lived out his purpose - has become even a worse cesspool than a hibridized spawn of CAOD and /b/ - can't be locked fast enough.
even the goons aren't this bad for ****'s sake.
IBTL and stuff.
Maybe not the organisation itself, but its leader is/was a big **** stirrer.
Again someone who, under my understanding, gave up their job to become a full time attention seeker in eve, took it too far, lost the blur between a fantasy world and reality, and publicly advocated at fanfest to encourage bullying and harassment to the extent of telling a suicidal person to kill themselves.
Yeah pretty ****** up but hey its EVE its ok because EVE is meant to be a big cold hard world that attracts these ****** up individuals to the game and its ok ! - like ******* hell it is.
Just because eve is a big bad cold hard world it doesn't being an attention seeking asshats and general douchebaggery in real life.
I don't know about the rest of the world, but in the UK now you can be arrested and prosecuted for comments made on places like twitter and social media. As soon as people are made accountable they then think twice about posting racist comments on twitter or slandering others.
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JC Anderson
State Protectorate Caldari State
1089
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:45:00 -
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Maria Firn wrote:Grimpak wrote:after the last few pages I find that this thread:
- has indeed lived out his purpose - has become even a worse cesspool than a hibridized spawn of CAOD and /b/ - can't be locked fast enough.
even the goons aren't this bad for ****'s sake.
IBTL and stuff. Maybe not the organisation itself, but its leader is/was a big **** stirrer. Again someone who, under my understanding, gave up their job to become a full time attention seeker in eve, took it too far, lost the blur between a fantasy world and reality, and publicly advocated at fanfest to encourage bullying and harassment to the extent of telling a suicidal person to kill themselves. Yeah pretty ****** up but hey its EVE its ok because EVE is meant to be a big cold hard world that attracts these ****** up individuals to the game and its ok ! - like ******* hell it is. Just because eve is a big bad cold hard world it doesn't being an attention seeking asshats and general douchebaggery in real life. I don't know about the rest of the world, but in the UK now you can be arrested and prosecuted for comments made on places like twitter and social media. As soon as people are made accountable they then think twice about posting racist comments on twitter or slandering others.
It HAS happened here in the states as well, but its on a case by case basis since we don't really have a defined set of laws dealing with stuff like that. |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
1465
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:49:00 -
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Maria Firn wrote:Grimpak wrote:after the last few pages I find that this thread:
- has indeed lived out his purpose - has become even a worse cesspool than a hibridized spawn of CAOD and /b/ - can't be locked fast enough.
even the goons aren't this bad for ****'s sake.
IBTL and stuff. Maybe not the organisation itself, but its leader is/was a big **** stirrer. Again someone who, under my understanding, gave up their job to become a full time attention seeker in eve, took it too far, lost the blur between a fantasy world and reality, and publicly advocated at fanfest to encourage bullying and harassment to the extent of telling a suicidal person to kill themselves. Yeah pretty ****** up but hey its EVE its ok because EVE is meant to be a big cold hard world that attracts these ****** up individuals to the game and its ok ! - like ******* hell it is. Just because eve is a big bad cold hard world it doesn't being an attention seeking asshats and general douchebaggery in real life. I don't know about the rest of the world, but in the UK now you can be arrested and prosecuted for comments made on places like twitter and social media. As soon as people are made accountable they then think twice about posting racist comments on twitter or slandering others. I was actually talking about that Miichael person that posted in the last few pages, and comparing what he did to all the s***posting GS ever did.
[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
1171
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:58:00 -
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Miichael Epic wrote:attacking a miner that can't fight back is like a grown man beating his wife because he knows she won't do anything about it.
Wow. There needs to be a prize for posting something like that given the title of the thread. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Priestess Lin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
94
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Posted - 2014.05.07 14:14:00 -
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This is typical behavior for eve players.
The game condones scam bots.
Not surprised at all. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5457
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Posted - 2014.05.07 14:17:00 -
[798] - Quote
*microphone feedback*
"CAN WE GET AN ISD CLEANUP ON AISLE 1?"
*crackles*
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate Caldari State
227
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Posted - 2014.05.07 14:27:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Miichael Epic wrote:attacking a miner that can't fight back is like a grown man beating his wife because he knows she won't do anything about it. Wow. There needs to be a prize for posting something like that given the title of the thread.
Well said. Now I'd you excuse me.. Im off to web and scram the wife and get some docking rights for my thorax Pog mo thoin |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
567
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Posted - 2014.05.07 14:30:00 -
[800] - Quote
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:admiral root wrote:Miichael Epic wrote:attacking a miner that can't fight back is like a grown man beating his wife because he knows she won't do anything about it. Wow. There needs to be a prize for posting something like that given the title of the thread. Well said. Now I'd you excuse me.. Im off to web and scram the wife and get some docking rights for my thorax
Dude, that green color isn't good. I'd recommend seeing a doctor. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Belt Scout
Forum alts make you mad
386
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Posted - 2014.05.07 14:34:00 -
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hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:admiral root wrote:Miichael Epic wrote:attacking a miner that can't fight back is like a grown man beating his wife because he knows she won't do anything about it. Wow. There needs to be a prize for posting something like that given the title of the thread. Well said. Now I'd you excuse me.. Im off to web and scram the wife and get some docking rights for my thorax
Actually, it's scram THEN web, otherwise you risk an instawarp.
. EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now. |
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate Caldari State
227
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Posted - 2014.05.07 14:35:00 -
[802] - Quote
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:admiral root wrote:Miichael Epic wrote:attacking a miner that can't fight back is like a grown man beating his wife because he knows she won't do anything about it. Wow. There needs to be a prize for posting something like that given the title of the thread. Well said. Now I'd you excuse me.. Im off to web and scram the wife and get some docking rights for my thorax Dude, that green color isn't good. I'd recommend seeing a doctor.
It's ok
Its just an anti scratch covering I put on while docking
Pog mo thoin |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2254
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Posted - 2014.05.07 14:37:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:La Nariz wrote:...and added another data point in the litany of why highsec needs to be nerfed. Oh c'mon, like null had never produced similarly stu0pid... You don't have to drag everything into "nerf hisec" campaign. Although he is a poster child for something special, I cannot deny that.
I don't usually receive death threats from nullsec people when I blow their ship up or steal something from them. However in highsec I'm at a ~1:3 rate for threats of violence over in-game actions.
I bet if we compared the amount of highsec people that thought committing violence over in-game actions was okay versus the amount of nullsec people that thought committing violence over in-game actions was okay that there would be a significant difference. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Belt Scout
Forum alts make you mad
386
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Posted - 2014.05.07 14:46:00 -
[804] - Quote
La Nariz wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:La Nariz wrote:...and added another data point in the litany of why highsec needs to be nerfed. Oh c'mon, like null had never produced similarly stu0pid... You don't have to drag everything into "nerf hisec" campaign. Although he is a poster child for something special, I cannot deny that. I don't usually receive death threats from nullsec people when I blow their ship up or steal something from them. However in highsec I'm at a ~1:3 rate for threats of violence over in-game actions. I bet if we compared the amount of highsec people that thought committing violence over in-game actions was okay versus the amount of nullsec people that thought committing violence over in-game actions was okay that there would be a significant difference.
For blowing up someones ship?? Pfft. I got that beat.
A short time back, I had someone in local tell me I should be RL killed after being sexually violated. Then he said the same for any pets I have. My cat ran and hid, and the dog just cocked his head to the side not know how close he was to a dirt nap. What did I do you may wonder?
I mined out his white glaze asteroid.
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EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9596
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Posted - 2014.05.07 14:49:00 -
[805] - Quote
Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:The amount of post that has been edited out just goes to show why this vandalism was no shock to anyone. Except for the amount of posts exclaiming shock that go to show why this was a big shock to almost everyone. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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JC Anderson
State Protectorate Caldari State
1089
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:09:00 -
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No death threats...
But I did have somebody in game once threaten to kidnap my monkey.
Sadly I didn't own one for them to kidnap in the first place. :(
My reply was "Oh snap shizit just got real." |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
395
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:17:00 -
[807] - Quote
JC Anderson wrote:No death threats...
But I did have somebody in game once threaten to kidnap my monkey.
Sadly I didn't own one for them to kidnap in the first place. :(
My reply was "Oh snap shizit just got real."
In fairness, as far as threats go, that's a new one.
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Bjurn Akely
Knights of Nii The 20 Minuters
58
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:19:00 -
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Triskian wrote:Considering how extremely upset some people in this thread are, I think it bears mentioning that if the person or persons involved are caught, that it is in fact not okay to obliterate their names from the monument in some kind of revenge. Nor is it okay to enact your own justice upon them in other ways. CCP is handling it, you don't need to do anything other than be outraged or come forward with information. I've gotten that vibe from some of the posts in this thread that some random person might take it upon themselves to do something equally stupid to what's already happened. Many of the posts in this thread could very well be scaring the vandal off from stepping forward due to fear of retribution that does not fit the crime.
I noticed that this year's fanfest was far more violent than last year's. Brawls at Nora's, cop cars and paddy wagons filled up with drunk assholes, and people getting the crap kicked out of them over pubcrawl flags. Punching someone out over a strip of cloth, breaking their nose, and kicking them when they're on the ground is (this happened, I don't know who it happened to, but it wasn't a pretty sight), in my opinion, far worse than what happened to the monument. The vandalism might be explained partially by the general attitude of some folks who play the game and can't distinguish reality from internet space and consumption of alcohol, but there is never any excuse for violently attacking someone unless it's self-defence. The night of the Party At the Top of the World I saw the cops tossing people into the paddy wagon almost wholesale, something that did not happen last year. From what I saw, despite there being far fewer people, there were a lot more people getting arrested for being ******* drunks than last year.
A lot of vandalism (putting your name on the walls in the washrooms of a bar is vandalism too, folks), fighting, and general assholery happened this year. The monument vandal should be ashamed, but we should also be ashamed. Maybe we should appologize as a community to the city of Reykjavic for our behaviour and consider ourselves lucky that they're letting us come back next year. We can do better, we have done better, and we should do better.
If this is true I am actually very happy that I did not attend Fanfest this year.
One of the things I'm (or was) proud of is the way that Eve people would meet each other on good terms. Realizing that the game connects us, not alienates us. That said, I have wondered when it would all turn ugly. Things usually do when a lot of alcohol is consumed and I've at times thought that CCP's is promoting people to consume to much of it. I'm sure their heart is in the right place, but nonetheless.
Also last year with the flag thing (that reportedly went fubar this year)... that made me opt out of going along on Pub Crawl. Alcohol and PvP games rarely mix well.
I'm starting to wonder if Fanfest is something I want to be a part of any more. I was planning on bringing the whole family next time I go. Not so sure I even want to now.
Out of interest... have CCP addressed any of the issues Triskian mention? |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2341
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:30:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:virm pasuul wrote: Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band. +1 for the reference, I never expected to see the Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band mentioned on an internet spaceships forum. Relevant
I too was mightily impressed to see the Doo Dah band mentioned This is not a signature. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2341
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:33:00 -
[810] - Quote
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:Mittani got a one month ban for basically issuing a death threat
Erotica1 got banned for laughing at a willing participant
Giving the above whom ever defaced the monument will probably be handed a fully pimped titan
As bad as defacing the monument was, the guilty person does not deserve to be imprisoned in a Titan, pimped or otherwise. This is not a signature. |
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CCP Falcon
6911
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:59:00 -
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I'm locking this topic due to the fact that we've given a response to the incident here.
Please use that thread to discuss this further, and thanks for your patience while we took care of this incident.
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
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