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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.05.26 07:31:00 -
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Now please keep this thread smack free, Everyone is entitled to an opinion. If you dont like someone elses opinion dont get mad, theyre just another guy like you sat possibly thousands of miles away that you will never meet  So anyway....
My definition of a carebear
Anyone who relies on NPC content to fund their Eve career.
Including...
Mission Running
Mining (I suppose you could say this ISNT NPC content.. but  )
NPC'ing
So in my opinion the only ppl that aren't carebears are... some pirates/outlaws (Burn eden spring to mind), Merc corps, and I suppose theres some alliance PvP'ers that dont carebear ??
But whats everyone elses views.
And yes im about to start relying on NPC'ing to pay for GTC cards... So Roarrrr (cries)
Alliaanna
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.05.26 07:34:00 -
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A carebear for me is a pilot who doesn't want to get into the pvp combat aspect of the game any further than absolutely nessessary.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.05.26 07:36:00 -
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 Originally by: Tachy
A carebear for me is a pilot who doesn't want to get into the pvp combat aspect of the game any further than absolutely nessessary.
I disagree with that tbh, Carebear alliances... theres loads of them. They mine & NPC all day in highsec, a lot dont even want to consider PvP'ing...
But some of them have balls ! Respect for that... doesn't mean theyre not carebears though 
Alliaanna
But thats just my view lol
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
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Posted - 2006.05.26 07:38:00 -
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Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 26/05/2006 07:38:10
for me carebears are ..
.. those who prefer to whine than to adapt
.. those who think PvP is griefing
.. those who think market is not PvP
.. those who play the game like it's a singleplayer game
.. those who think everything in EvE should be consensual and safe
imho carebears are NOT ..
.. industrialist which understand the essence of the game
.. miners/npcers who know the risks and adapt to them
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.26 07:44:00 -
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"In the MMORPG Eve-Online (www.eve-online.com) a Carebear is a character who stays in Concord (police) controlled space and never ventures into unsecured "0.0" space."
From Urban Dictionary: carebear
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Teles666
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Posted - 2006.05.26 07:47:00 -
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A carebear stays in high sec and won't accept the risk that comes with reward in the game world.
A carebear can perform valuable functions for a corp - high sec mining, production, trade - docks when a war dec comes his way though.
I don't agree that somebody living in 0.0 or low sec, mining high ends or building capital ships / running goods is a carebear - they are putting themselves in danger to get ahead - risk vs reward.
Most people living in 0.0 will kill npcs, it's a resource as valuable as asteroids and can provide valuable mods for the corp / yourself as well as funding replacement bs's.
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Rick Dentill
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Posted - 2006.05.26 07:49:00 -
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A colourful fluffy bear, from my early childhood, think my sister had a knockoff of one. They had hearts on their chests, and with one exception spent all their time being happy.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.05.26 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Rick Dentill
A colourful fluffy bear, from my early childhood, think my sister had a knockoff of one. They had hearts on their chests, and with one exception spent all their time being happy.
Admit it.... you murdered your sisters bear didn't you ?
Alliaanna
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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.05.26 07:54:00 -
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For me a Carebear is a player that tries to avoid losses at all costs. You can PvP and be a carebear at the same time.
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Maximillian Pele
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Posted - 2006.05.26 08:02:00 -
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Edited by: Maximillian Pele on 26/05/2006 08:03:25
Edited by: Maximillian Pele on 26/05/2006 08:02:36
To me a carebear is someone who - when confronted by a challenge within the game - demands that the game and/or other players change to suit THEM!.
Hence the person who demands to jetcan mine without risk in highsec and the "I can't catch anyone - nerf WCS" PvPers are both carebears to me.
A lot of players - including pirates and 0.0 space inhabitants - have alts in empire who take few risks - as well as their harder-cored characters. So to me that invalidates the "stays always in empire" definition of a carebear.
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Kingdoc
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Posted - 2006.05.26 08:08:00 -
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Edited by: Kingdoc on 26/05/2006 08:09:06
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
the "I can't catch anyone - nerf WCS" PvPers are carebears to me.
A-freaking-men brother!
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.05.26 08:12:00 -
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What Maximillian said should be stickied :P
To me a carebear is someone who doesn't want to PvP at all. However, it's meant to be a derogatory term. I personally don't use it like that, I just use it as an easy word to describe some people's chosen career path.
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Captain Napalm
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Posted - 2006.05.26 08:34:00 -
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People that tell you, "I'll help defend after I loot this mission" and later on demand to know why no one came to their aid when they get ganked later on.
That's ****in' carebear.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2006.05.26 08:35:00 -
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A carebear is someone that wants the game changed to minimise risks rather than using game mechanics to mitigate the risks.
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KingAc
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Posted - 2006.05.26 08:39:00 -
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I never pvp and only mine veld in Jita. I think to be a miner in MC is kind of bad :/
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Mangold
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Posted - 2006.05.26 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 26/05/2006 07:38:10
for me carebears are ..
.. those who prefer to whine than to adapt
.. those who think PvP is griefing
.. those who think market is not PvP
.. those who play the game like it's a singleplayer game
.. those who think everything in EvE should be consensual and safe
imho carebears are NOT ..
.. industrialist which understand the essence of the game
.. miners/npcers who know the risks and adapt to them
That's it.
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OldPueblo
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Posted - 2006.05.26 09:02:00 -
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I would guess the term stemmed from those that went around trying to "care" for everybody in MMORPG's. You know, they'd never want to PVP because thats just "mean." They always want to help somebody, make sure everyone is having a good time, don't want to step on anyone's toes so that everybody has lots of money and nice ships and EVE is transformed into an amazing utopia of love and tenderness. As demonstrated by actual "Carebears" in the real world. THAT to me is a carebear. If you like to mine a lot, guess what you're a miner. If you like to NPC, then you are the rat master. If you happen to spend all your time in empire, then you should make sure to wear a storm trooper outfit. But a true carebear is all about the mushy personality in my book.
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John Phalanx
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Posted - 2006.05.26 09:05:00 -
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I Am A Carebear
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Niccolado Starwalker
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Posted - 2006.05.26 09:10:00 -
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I can be considered Carebear in EVE, but I demand to be believed when I say that never once have I whined or asked for changes to the game we love!!
You see, it is possible to be a carebear and to love EVE! After all, this game is so huge that it can fit all kinds of players! Even me, who at this time, prefer to run agent missions, while learning the game, and getting my skills up! I have only got 8 mill SP, so I can be considered pretty new to EVE. But when im ready, ill do PvP and visit Deep Space. For now however, I wont, and stay out of harms way.
Imho theres 3 kinds of players.
1. PvP players
2. PvE players
3. Whiners
Imo point 3 mix well with both point 1 and 2. Trust me, I might be young in terms of playtime on EVE, but so far I have seen NO difference whatsoever when it comes to whining. Both from people who are considered PvPers and PvEer.
This game can easily cater for all kinds of players: PvE as PvP. So why dont let it be with that???
Also, I have seen many people considered PvPers wants CCP to "force" PvEers into Low Sec/deep space, while at the same time telling people off for going there when they get PWNed.
Conclusion: You find whining everywhere, and label a carebear as a whiner, is absolutely wrong. Specially when I see just as much whining from those who consider themselves PvP hardcore players.
As I said in the beginning. I consider myself a Carebear, because I love doing agents. Mining, and generally staying out of harms way. At least untill I feel im able to defend myself! Is that really wrong??
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2006.05.26 09:10:00 -
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target practice
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.05.26 09:13:00 -
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A carebear is a person who thinks that they have a right to 'experience content' without competition or interruption.
It's not about 0.0. It's not about PvP. It's not about industry or mining. It's about whether you're prepared to make an effort for things you want, rather than whinging about how it's unfair.
I see 0.0 carebears, who think they have a right to hoover up arkonor uninterrupted. I see PvP carebears who whinge that their 'targets' don't sit still to be ganked. I see complex carebears who log off in the complex, and whine if someone beats them to it that downtime. I see ratting carebears who go hunting for faction loot in 0.0 but if their alliance calls upon them, are 'unavailable'.
I also see miners who jump into combat ships when their 'home' is attacked. I see see industrialists who work hard to keep their collegues provided with ships, ammo and modules. I see PvPers providing cover for operations, knowing that both parties get a 'return'.
A carebear isn't a miner, industrialist, NPCer or whatever. A carebear is someone who won't help when their friends and allies need it.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2006.05.26 09:15:00 -
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when you look up carebear in the dictionary, you should just see a picture of WhiteDwarf
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Jowen Datloran
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Posted - 2006.05.26 09:20:00 -
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Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 26/05/2006 09:20:42
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
To me a carebear is someone who - when confronted by a challenge within the game - demands that the game and/or other players change to suit THEM!.
Yup, that is the carebear. A person who instead of adapting whines about how the game should be changed according to their needs.
True in all aspects of the game.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.05.26 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 26/05/2006 09:20:42
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
To me a carebear is someone who - when confronted by a challenge within the game - demands that the game and/or other players change to suit THEM!.
Yup, that is the carebear. A person who instead of adapting whines about how the game should be changed according to their needs.
True in all aspects of the game.
I agree 100% with the quoted bit.
I'd add
"They also do not believe others should be able to influence their gameplay without consent"
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Wotar
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Posted - 2006.05.26 09:31:00 -
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There's some horse-**** in this thread but its good to see that some folks get it. If you think that any of the following things exclude you from being a carebear, you're deluded:
Being a pirate.
Being in 0.0.
PVPing.
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cpskatan
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Posted - 2006.05.26 09:34:00 -
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A carebear is the one making corp wallet blink when others are on ops
A carebear is the one trying to avoid losses at any (even corps lost) cost
A carebear is the one whining when he gets ganked npc'n
A carebear only do things to profit themselfs
Beeing a carebear has nothing to do with you living in empire
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Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2006.05.26 09:59:00 -
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Carebears are people who don't take any risks at all and feel that the risk part of the game should be removed.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.26 10:02:00 -
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Target Practice 
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var'ulfur
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Posted - 2006.05.26 10:21:00 -
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its funnie you have your way of thinking but if the so called care bears stoped making ships, mods, weapons, ammo, you so called non care bears would be fubar.
eve is a game for all stop being so full of yourselfs to think any one type of player is what eve is
talk is cheap the cost of action is enormus
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Selfrightous Fury
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Posted - 2006.05.26 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Maximillian Pele
To me a carebear is someone who - when confronted by a challenge within the game - demands that the game and/or other players change to suit THEM!.
Hence the person who demands to jetcan mine without risk in highsec and the "I can't catch anyone - nerf WCS" PvPers are both carebears to me.
A lot of players - including pirates and 0.0 space inhabitants - have alts in empire who take few risks - as well as their harder-cored characters. So to me that invalidates the "stays always in empire" definition of a carebear.
Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 26/05/2006 07:38:10
for me carebears are ..
.. those who prefer to whine than to adapt
.. those who think PvP is griefing
.. those who think market is not PvP
.. those who play the game like it's a singleplayer game
.. those who think everything in EvE should be consensual and safe
imho carebears are NOT ..
.. industrialist which understand the essence of the game
.. miners/npcers who know the risks and adapt to them
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Wotar
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Posted - 2006.05.26 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: var'ulfur
its funnie you have your way of thinking but if the so called care bears stoped making ships, mods, weapons, ammo, you so called non care bears would be fubar.
You lose.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2006.05.26 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 26/05/2006 10:43:07
Originally by: var'ulfur
its funnie you have your way of thinking but if the so called care bears stoped making ships, mods, weapons, ammo, you so called non care bears would be fubar.
eve is a game for all stop being so full of yourselfs to think any one type of player is what eve is
Being a manufacturer doesn't make you a carebear - at least not in my book. To be a carebear you need to regularly suggest changing the game in order to solve a problem you have. For bonus points you need to make your posts particularly whiny
Basically the thing people don't like about carebears is the way they want to inflict their game play style on other players by having the game mechanics changed.
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2006.05.26 10:48:00 -
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a Carebear, is a stupid looking cartoon character with some sort of magical powers that do stupid things.
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2006.05.26 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: Darcuese on 26/05/2006 11:04:03
My definition of carebear:
Those that spend more then half time in game doing things for themself only not interested what is happening to others.
Its hard to define it, tbh...but this is closes to my view
(But to be fair....those that spend 80% of EVE time--a bit more precise)
DEAD or ALIVE we allways have some fun. DO YOU??
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Jaketh Ivanes
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Posted - 2006.05.26 11:03:00 -
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Most pirates are carebears, with lows full of WCS and running at the sight of a BS. Especially if it can lock them from the gate
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Benco97
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Posted - 2006.05.26 11:09:00 -
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A carebear is Whining, not Mining
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Daisy Chainsaw
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Posted - 2006.05.26 11:14:00 -
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A carebear is someone who does things differently to you and you want to moan about :)
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Oosel
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Posted - 2006.05.26 11:26:00 -
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me im one and i dont care....lots of peeps know me and say i would enjoy it so much more if i finally let go of not wanting trash someone elses hard earned labours as they seem to think i would be very good at it.....
never gonna happen in over 3 years of play ive never podded a player once and have only ever returned fire when fired upon
carebear and proud of it thats what charisma is all about 
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Bland Inquisitor
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Posted - 2006.05.26 11:33:00 -
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You wanan know a pvpers view on a carebear?
Simple
We mine
We trade
We mission Run
and omgod we make more money than they do, have better ships and usually have more fun
nad where carebears for it
PVPERS suck
Alliances Pwn All
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Dak Hakin
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Posted - 2006.05.26 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: Dak Hakin on 26/05/2006 11:43:54
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
Edited by: Maximillian Pele on 26/05/2006 08:03:25
Edited by: Maximillian Pele on 26/05/2006 08:02:36
To me a carebear is someone who - when confronted by a challenge within the game - demands that the game and/or other players change to suit THEM!.
Hence the person who demands to jetcan mine without risk in highsec and the "I can't catch anyone - nerf WCS" PvPers are both carebears to me.
A lot of players - including pirates and 0.0 space inhabitants - have alts in empire who take few risks - as well as their harder-cored characters. So to me that invalidates the "stays always in empire" definition of a carebear.
/signed
Then, I also think gate snipers are carebears. No risk PvP, its hardly even PvP at that point.
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Kilo Paskaa
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Posted - 2006.05.26 11:39:00 -
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Anyone who doesnt get his money from pvp.
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Posted - 2006.05.26 11:50:00 -
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I consider myself a carebear, cuz: a. i don't really care for pvp unless i'm forced to. b. make my cash by running missions and building/selling stuff on market, c. spend most of my time in hi sec.
A few comments though, if my corp(mates) comes under attack and i happen to be around, i join in the fun with cheers and yarrs , i travel through low sec (sometimes even without stabbies on "GASP!!!"), I fullknowingly risk expensive ships (hac/commandships) in (low sec) combat, i haven't touched my barge in weeks/months now, i'm training a 2nd char in pure combat skills only (guy hasn't activated a mininglaser EVER and never will!) allthough this one will eventually assist me on missions as well, i did plan for him to be a pvp char also.
Anyways, if u don't like carebears and u think a carebear is someone that mines, builds/sells items and runs missions then i wonder why ur playing eve at all cuz i think it's a big part of the game.
For the rest, i don't care how other people play, if u want to mine all day, mine all day, if u want to mission all day, mission all day, if u want to pvp all day, pvp all day, if u want to camp a gate all day, go get a social life just don't try to force ur playing style on me and were all happy and isn't that the purpose of the game? to make u feel better? atleast it is for me.
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Avaleric
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Posted - 2006.05.26 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Avaleric on 26/05/2006 12:02:10
I guess I'm a carebear, and since I generate say 10 times as much spacebucks each day as PvPers do, it's people like me that actually fund all the combat activity the corp is involved in...
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.05.26 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kilo Paskaa
Anyone who doesnt get his money from pvp.
Someone that see's it my way !
Have my babies
Alliaanna
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Jacob Holland
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Posted - 2006.05.26 12:11:00 -
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I do not consider myself a carebear.
I spend a good proportion of my time mining, running courier missions and in Empire space. I own a reasonable number of BPOs for the components, ships and ammunitions I use most frequently. I love flying round and making deals - I even make the occasional mutually beneficial one
When I'm not in Empire I'm in a jump clone without Implants and I'll mine and NPC as much as I can.
When I'm needed however (and assuming I'm not stuck in SS) I'm in a combat ship - a tackler usually and doing my best to help in the defence of my "home" (even if that amounts to scramming the primary for five seconds before it's time to get my pod out ).
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Uggster
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Posted - 2006.05.26 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: Uggster on 26/05/2006 12:37:43
Originally by: Captain Napalm
People that tell you, "I'll help defend after I loot this mission" and later on demand to know why no one came to their aid when they get ganked later on.
That's ****in' carebear.
GOD !!!!!!
That is the worst type of carebear.
They claim they are not cos they "would have helped but by the time I got there it was all over" or "would have helped but OMG I have to just dock for 5mins (2 hours) and I'll help then".
Or they strut about like a bantam***** in corp/alliance chat going on about thier uber Gist/Dread/Dark Blood/officer fitted "pwnmobile" and when a gang gets together to defend the space they get rich off the only thing they seem to have "fitted" is an incursus.
I reserve a deep and special hatred for these people.
If someone is a carebear (and they bloody know it at heart) then admit it and then people wont feel bad towards them.
Edit : Bantom male chicken 
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Elaron
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Posted - 2006.05.26 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Anyone who relies on NPC content to fund their Eve career.
Don't agree. NPC content gives a lot of people something to do in between corp actions, and often gives something interesting to do other than watch a station spin around you when you can't commit to a five hour fleep op.
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
To me a carebear is someone who - when confronted by a challenge within the game - demands that the game and/or other players change to suit THEM!.
snip
A lot of players - including pirates and 0.0 space inhabitants - have alts in empire who take few risks - as well as their harder-cored characters. So to me that invalidates the "stays always in empire" definition of a carebear.
Quoted For Truth. Being a "carebear" is an attitude, that says "You must play the way I want to play!" and whines loudly and continuously, often on the boards, when people don't.
Elaron
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.05.26 12:54:00 -
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Aslong as it isn't on the subject of scumbag greifers, or people that get their rocks off on ruining the game in some manner to suit their selfish selfs.. employing win at all cost crap tactics, frankly i couldn't care less what others do...
Many around here though care about what others do sooooo much, that they give them silly childish names
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We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
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Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2006.05.26 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: var'ulfur
its funnie you have your way of thinking but if the so called care bears stoped making ships, mods, weapons, ammo, you so called non care bears would be fubar.
eve is a game for all stop being so full of yourselfs to think any one type of player is what eve is
Uh, I make ships and I'm not a carebear. 
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Nev Clavain
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Posted - 2006.05.26 13:09:00 -
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Hey, if you don't like whatever your personal definition of carebear happens to be, I suggest you all go and play Tetris you whining babies.
Get over it, its an MMO, and there will be people who play in a way which you perceive to be pointless - which is their right because they pay for their account not you. If you then have to label those people with a semi-derogatory name, and point fingers at them you are many times over more pathetic than they could ever be - however they choose to play this game.
pointless pointless pointless. And for those of you who have come on here and defined carebears as 'whiners' - explain to me exactly what you were doing, just after you've looked up hypocrisy in the dictionary.
adios.
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Voculus
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Posted - 2006.05.26 13:19:00 -
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Pirates think carebears are anyone who won't make themselves an easy target.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.05.26 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Voculus
Pirates think carebears are anyone who won't make themselves an easy target.
... and anyone who _will_ make themselves an easy target too :)
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Faeden Pain
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Posted - 2006.05.26 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
My definition of a carebear
Anyone who relies on NPC content to fund their Eve career.
I disagree...a "Care Bear" IMHO, and in all the games I have played previously is someone who is vehemently opposed to any sort of non-consentual PvP. e.g. the reason UO was broken in two.
Faeden Pain
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2006.05.26 14:39:00 -
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Coming into EVE my original definition would have been :
The (greater) Carebear : Someone who would like nothing more than for all PvP to be removed from a game.
At an similar but oposite end I would have had :
The Murderer (Or PK) : someone who wants easy targets to wander back and forth in front of him, to be killed without risk.
The PvP'er : someone who wants to fight other players, rather than NPC's, win or lose.
Now I'd add :
The (Lesser) carebear : someone who will not engage in PvP at all, unless it is very heavily stacked in his favour (and often not even then)
Funnily enough this last one has absorbed the murderers in a lot of cases, if they were ever really seperate ..
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qyros
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Posted - 2006.05.26 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: qyros on 26/05/2006 16:52:16
Carebears live in Care-A-Lot and they do what their bright and friendly nature creates, they care a lot.
They fight the bad and the evil with the power of love to bring peace and harmony to "the land without feelings".
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Gustavef
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Posted - 2006.05.26 17:09:00 -
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Personally, I put the line at anyone who wants the rules of the game changed so they are completely unhindered by other players.
I enjoy PvP, though I rarely go into combat. My PvP is marketeering and manufacturing. I know that I am competing against other players.
I think EVE has one of the best PvP systems over all. You are given a rating of possilbe risk in any area (ie its security satus) and you are given tools to hedge and limit that risk. It just takes planing and some strategy.
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Vincent Gaines
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Posted - 2006.05.26 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kilo Paskaa
Anyone who doesnt get his money from pvp.
IMO running around in 0.0 in an indy takes more balls than doing it in a BS or HAC.
but hey, I make my ISK through selling goods, and not actual fighting.
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Severall
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Posted - 2006.05.26 17:44:00 -
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A tired cliche, used by the less-than-clever to try to insult or goad others.
And no that's not 'smack', or because I take offense to the term. I just think it's used too often & in too many different contexts, so it's pretty much meaningless.
Take a different game, where you could click something and 'disable' PvP. In that game it would mean something. In Eve it's just used to claim some sort of ideological superiority, which makes the user seem pathetic usually.
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.05.26 18:03:00 -
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I'd agree with you there Severall.
Just because someone realises they'd get pwnd in PVP due to lack of skills/experience means they are wise. Calling them carebears is just a name that the more experienced and skilled (and suicidal) players use to refer to someone with more intelligence. What's wrong with making sure you have enough skills to hold your own in PVP rather than lose millions of isk proving to everyone that you can't?
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Maestro Ulv
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Posted - 2006.05.26 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 26/05/2006 07:38:10
for me carebears are ..
.. those who prefer to whine than to adapt
.. those who think PvP is griefing
.. those who think market is not PvP
.. those who play the game like it's a singleplayer game
.. those who think everything in EvE should be consensual and safe
imho carebears are NOT ..
.. industrialist which understand the essence of the game
.. miners/npcers who know the risks and adapt to them
Pretty much sums it up. Good points.
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IVeige
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Posted - 2006.05.26 18:31:00 -
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me proud to be a carebear.
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Ulle
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Posted - 2006.05.26 18:32:00 -
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A carebear is someone who developed a phobia for game risks that goes beyond the normal precaution. As such, he can only play by totally eliminating risks from the game equation, and if he can't he will simply quit and move to another game.
He will never enter a pvp area, or if he'll ever do it it will be as a sniper at max distance, aligned and ready to flee at the first hint of a risk, or in big teams of the same kind hunting for lone players. As a trader he will play in the safety of npcs market, on those areas where competition is low or not existant and rewards safe more than high. As a pve'r, he will follow religiously mission spoilers and do only those listed there, and warp away if something isn't going as expected, even if he brought way more firepower and armor than what was really needed.
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Na'Thuul
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Posted - 2006.05.26 19:15:00 -
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Ginger Magician 
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Nyabinghi
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Posted - 2006.05.26 19:34:00 -
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I don't really care for the usage of the word "carebear" to denote players who are friendly, supportive and helpful to other players as oppose to just steamrolling right over them with uber ships and weapons so you can show off on killboards. Unfortunatly we have very few heros, liberators, champions of justice, etc. so basically all non-pirates get lumped together as weak non-PvPing "carebears". Well there are those of us who do care about our fellow upstanding EVE citizens and we are willing to be proactive about it. Nothing fluffy about that. Certainly as well we would like to have game dynamics that favor the good as equally as the evil. Nothing fluffy about that either.
I make cool banners for ISK.
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Kilo Paskaa
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Posted - 2006.05.26 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: Kilo Paskaa on 26/05/2006 19:46:59
Edited by: Kilo Paskaa on 26/05/2006 19:45:07
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Originally by: Kilo Paskaa
Anyone who doesnt get his money from pvp.
IMO running around in 0.0 in an indy takes more balls than doing it in a BS or HAC.
but hey, I make my ISK through selling goods, and not actual fighting.
Well running in 0.0 in an indy is same as gate ganking in empire. Profitable.
Edit: uh i hope that by indy you meant interceptor. Not industrial. Well flying industrial in 0.0 is risky, but still you make most of your iskies from mining or trading as you said.
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Vincent Gaines
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Posted - 2006.05.26 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kilo Paskaa
Edited by: Kilo Paskaa on 26/05/2006 19:46:59
Edited by: Kilo Paskaa on 26/05/2006 19:45:07
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Originally by: Kilo Paskaa
Anyone who doesnt get his money from pvp.
IMO running around in 0.0 in an indy takes more balls than doing it in a BS or HAC.
but hey, I make my ISK through selling goods, and not actual fighting.
Well running in 0.0 in an indy is same as gate ganking in empire. Profitable.
Edit: uh i hope that by indy you meant interceptor. Not industrial. Well flying industrial in 0.0 is risky, but still you make most of your iskies from mining or trading as you said.
no, I ment Indy, as in industrial.
for us that fly in 0.0 with ships that are in no way geared for combat, and that fly in empire during wars and don't stay docked, I'd love to see the reasoning behind calling them/us a carebear.
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Brem Watson
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Posted - 2006.05.26 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: Brem Watson on 26/05/2006 20:25:47
I guess I'm not a carebear then. I run missions and go into low sec space to PvP.
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Theocrates
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Posted - 2006.05.26 20:29:00 -
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I don't like the word Carebear. Its a relic of the age of seperate servers for PVP/PVE and has no place in eve. Indeed many people here are using it as a derogitory name for behavior that already has names better suited to use. In essence, the only thing this thread uses Carebear for is a slang term to slander people. I find it odd that people want agreement on this term and frankly wonder why in the world they would even bother. If you are doing something that annoys me to the point that I'm going to call you a name I assure you there are far many more appropriate terms.
If you label people as Carebear are there then Carebear Modules? Ships?
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2006.05.26 20:32:00 -
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For me the carebear is the person with no wish to have actions of others affect his gameplay, and little wish to interact with other players in general, let alone that interaction involving some kind of risk to him 
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Xannder Phienyx
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Posted - 2006.05.26 20:34:00 -
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To me, a carebear is a player who whines, cries when bad things happen to them that are part of the game and think that they should be immune from the pvp aspects of the universe in which they exist.
It absolutely ok to engage in a style of play that is mainly based in activites that do not regularly involve dangerous activities. However the differnce between this type of player and a carebear, is that a non-carebear will not complain if they run into a little heat and will either be able to deal with it, or strategically avoid it.
I DO NOT believe that someone that simply wishes to make one of the other aspects of the game their main activity, makes a person a carebear.
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Lisento Slaven
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Posted - 2006.05.26 20:38:00 -
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To me a carebear is anyone devoted to protecting other people from players who kill for no reason other than to kill.
AKA Anti-Pirate Security Corporations..."Concord without the shiney toys."
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.05.26 20:45:00 -
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i am carebear
thx Exekias for cool sig
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.05.26 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
i am carebear
Me too.
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Makhan
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Posted - 2006.05.26 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Severall
A tired cliche, used by the less-than-clever to try to insult or goad others.
And no that's not 'smack', or because I take offense to the term. I just think it's used too often & in too many different contexts, so it's pretty much meaningless.
Take a different game, where you could click something and 'disable' PvP. In that game it would mean something. In Eve it's just used to claim some sort of ideological superiority, which makes the user seem pathetic usually.
What he said.
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Karma
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Posted - 2006.05.26 21:24:00 -
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for me, a carebear is...
someone who passively/aggresively petition for removal of PvP.
common sentence uttered by Carebear would be: "I wish they'd remove PvP completely from the game'.
negative terms should be reserved for negative-type people. :P
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Nyabinghi
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Posted - 2006.05.26 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Karma
negative terms should be reserved for negative-type people. :P
Riiiight, I'll remember that next WCS whine thread I see or the next time I hear pirates *****ing whenever someone suggests that a 150% of the game mechanics should not be in their favor.
I make cool banners for ISK.
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.05.26 21:59:00 -
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been a caerbear is nothing to do with your ingame carrer...you can mine ore mission run 23/7 dont make you a caerbear. a caerbear is some one who can not or will not take responsiblity for their own saftey in a pvp based game (and for those with limited intelect there is more types of pvp than just shooting).
now a typical caerbear response to any in game character action which interferes in their game play without their express permission will be one of the following
1) insult and generlise every pvp'er (i.e. you all 14 yr old pimply loosers living in you mamas basement) while complaining of people doing the same to caerbears
2) post in eve o for the game to be changed i.e. OMG I GOT SHOT I WANT EVE TO ARRANGE FOR A SAS HIT SQUAD TO KILL EVERY ONE WHO LOCKS ON TO ME OR I WILL QUIT WAAAAAA
3) rant and rave and issue rl threats
4) hire assasins to kill the mean pvper who killed them
instead of growin a pair and accepting these events as part of the game they chose to play and pay for...they do their upmost to destroy it so they can be risk free.
to me caerbears are the biggest scum and the largets threat eve faces...god help us if the devs loose their minds and listen to them
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Jack Kevorkian
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Posted - 2006.05.27 00:06:00 -
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Carebear = crybaby to me. PVP has nothing to do with it.
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Epsilon 1
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Posted - 2006.05.27 01:24:00 -
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Any PVE activity is considered carebearing except buying off market of cos
Originally by: Steven Gerrard
Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
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Ellie Bloomberg
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Posted - 2006.05.27 02:06:00 -
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Edited by: Ellie Bloomberg on 27/05/2006 02:06:38
Quote:
4) hire assasins to kill the mean pvper who killed them
That's not being a carebear, that's utilizing the market to achieve desired outcomes. You go ahead and spend your money on the biggest and the best, I'll spend mine to exact revenge if you hull/pod me.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.05.27 02:08:00 -
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does any^1 know what "carebear" actually means?
i dont mean a definiton, i just cant translate the word carebear as i could translate the word "door" for me.
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Valarkin
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Posted - 2006.05.27 02:09:00 -
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Edited by: Valarkin on 27/05/2006 02:09:02
It's not difficult, care bears, bears who care.
See http://www.care-bears.com/CareBears/html/index.html
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.05.27 07:34:00 -
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Quote:
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4) hire assasins to kill the mean pvper who killed them
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That's not being a carebear, that's utilizing the market to achieve desired outcomes. You go ahead and spend your money on the biggest and the best, I'll spend mine to exact revenge if you hull/pod me.
my fault i should of explained myself better...i meant hire RL assasins to kill him in RL...which is how serious some of the scum take this game (the amount of death threats and stuff like i hope u die in rl caerbears come out with is pathetic)
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Kunming
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Posted - 2006.05.27 07:57:00 -
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Carebears:
Ppl that avoid risk at all cost. This includes high-sec dwellers, low sec gate campers and alliance *****s who leave at any sight of trouble, which reminds me... we need an employment history for corps to see in which alliances they were and for how long.
Its so hard to find good ppl these days, too much single player content invites too many carebears.
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Rochel Hakiri
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Posted - 2006.05.27 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rick Dentill
A colourful fluffy bear, from my early childhood, think my sister had a knockoff of one. They had hearts on their chests, and with one exception spent all their time being happy.
exactly goes together with "my little pony"
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Alaire Dunsane
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Posted - 2006.05.27 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 26/05/2006 07:38:10
for me carebears are ..
.. those who prefer to whine than to adapt
.. those who think PvP is griefing
.. those who think market is not PvP
.. those who play the game like it's a singleplayer game
.. those who think everything in EvE should be
consensual and safe
imho carebears are NOT ..
.. industrialist which understand the essence of the
game
.. miners/npcers who know the risks and adapt to them
That nails it ... What it comes down to for me are those that refuse to accept that you need to risk in order to pick up the reward. Miners/industrualists do risk ... just a different type than the PvPer.
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Lygos
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Posted - 2006.05.27 19:33:00 -
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A carebear is someone who avoids risk.
It is possible for many individuals to pvp all day long without risk to their respective budget.
Generally, only groups can be carebears or not. Individuals just really aren't able to risk much of lasting significance. You can't destroy or stop an individual, but you can wreck an organization, or a project.
If you can wreck a project or an organization but you don't have one of your own, you cannot exclude yourself from being categorized as a carebear.
The isk is often meaningless. The connections between playes.. everything.
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Lord TMac
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Posted - 2006.05.27 20:18:00 -
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A television show that I used to watch when I was little. It had numerous colorful bears who rode in cloud cars, shot rainbow powers out of their stomachs, and helped people who were feeling down. They also fought evil doers but I forget who.
Heck, I enjoyed it.
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Virvana Sharpur
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Posted - 2006.05.28 03:38:00 -
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Edited by: Virvana Sharpur on 28/05/2006 03:42:23
Edited by: Virvana Sharpur on 28/05/2006 03:39:59
We are all carebears. If you are not a "carebear," you cannot advance here in EVE.
The key word here is "care." To tell you the truth, I don't know of anyone in the game who doesn't approach their game with care. From the CEO of the largest PvP alliance, to the meanest pacifist noob, we all approach the game with care, because its important to us all.
I have heard that "carebears" are those who do not take risks. However, I do not know of anyone in EVE who doesn't take great care to minimize their risk. You'd be considered far worse that a "carebear" if you do not. You'd be a fool, a liability, and an object of ridicule. Contrary to popular opinion, risk does not entail reward. Risk is putting one's destiny in fortune, rather than careful planning.
I have heard that "carebears" are those who do not PvP. However, the names that players who PvP unprepared receive are far worse. "Moron" comes to mind. "Unreliable" comes to mind. "Statistic" comes to mind, and "loser" comes to mind. Which is exactly why PvP players take great care to maximize their efficacy.
I have heard that "carebears" are those who take their complaints here to the forums. They could just quit, and perhaps many do. Yet they care enough about what is going on here to post. Truly, I have seen many players post about things concerning their alliance, or game changes, or to advertise for their corporations. They too are carebears, for they care about using the forums to maximum advantage.
I agree with the person who said that the term "carebear" is overused, and I agree. Players who don't care about what they are doing here, and not placing themselves and their friends in the best position possible are not players we want around us, and are not players we want to be.
And because we care about making smart decisions, and maximizing our enjoyment, we are all open to being called "carebears." It doesn't matter if you are a flashing pirate, or a ten month old veteran out of the State War Academy. If you care about minimizing your losses, and maximizing your gains, you are a "carebear."
Carebears, all of us.
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Chy Malik
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Posted - 2006.05.28 04:59:00 -
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Carebear?
Simple. An insult with no real meaning. Everyone else is a carebear.
Think risk means anything? Yeah, gatecampers assume a lot of risk. The odds of losing a ship in a gatecamp is about the same as any mission runner gets. As do pirates who tackle industrial ships trying to ninja mine in lowsec. You aren't looking for PVP, very few people are, you're looking for "Player vs Straw Dummy". You don't send in tacklers because it helps make things more exciting, you're removing options from your opposition until they have no course of action but to be crushed before your overwhelming numbers.
As I said, everyone that is not you is a carebear.
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