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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
332
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Posted - 2011.11.17 02:28:00 -
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mkint wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Whats that cheese they use in lasanga alot? was it alfredo or something or fettuchini? Alfredo is a bechamel sauce with Parmesan in it. Fettuccine are the flat narrow noodles. Lasagna usually has mozzarella and ricotta. Speaking of ricotta, I know this place that has amazing canolli's. He does a vanilla ricotta filling into chocolate dipped shells. Food of the gods, I tell you what.
some traditional lasagna uses the bechamel sauce instead of mozzarella
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration
146
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Posted - 2011.11.17 02:34:00 -
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Chaos Incarnate wrote:xxxak wrote:The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly. if only there were ships capable of killing the mighty ibis solo
I was gearing up to post this huge awesome counter argument, but then I stopped and thought about it, and realized everything I wanted to say pretty much boiled down to this ^. Mighty... frackin'... ibis......... the "widow-maker". In-fricking-vinceable. All GëíGêçGëí Ships | Many Odd GëíGêçGëí Items (+Drones) | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |

mkint
347
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Posted - 2011.11.17 02:35:00 -
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Morganta wrote:mkint wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Whats that cheese they use in lasanga alot? was it alfredo or something or fettuchini? Alfredo is a bechamel sauce with Parmesan in it. Fettuccine are the flat narrow noodles. Lasagna usually has mozzarella and ricotta. Speaking of ricotta, I know this place that has amazing canolli's. He does a vanilla ricotta filling into chocolate dipped shells. Food of the gods, I tell you what. some traditional lasagna uses the bechamel sauce instead of mozzarella That sounds delicious. It also brings up the question if spanakopita could be classified as lasagna? It uses a pastry that is more related to pasta than bread, and has a goat cheese/spinach filling.
Mostly I'm happy we've turned this thread into something positive. |

Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
19
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Posted - 2011.11.17 02:53:00 -
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I am compelled to come to CCP's defense on this one.
xxxak wrote:CCP has proven yet again that they are no better than other modern game corporations, lurching forward without any finesse or sense of elegance.
The changes to Supercarriers, which now are nearly set in stone, are hilariously bad.
The changes do nothing to address the issue of super-blobbing. By taking away all small drones, CCP has now made solo or small groups of Supercarriers totally non-viable. The only possible use for Supercarriers is now in massive megablobs of other Supers, which only a handful of alliances/coalitions can field.
Anyone who attempts to use Supercarriers for small hot drops, small scale structure bashes, or other such non-blob work will be caught with their pants down and dragged to to a bloody and gruesome death.
solo (or small groups of) supercarriers should not be viable. this is a good change. Something that large and expensive should be supported by a large fleet or it should not be used.
Quote:The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.
Supercap pilots thinking with a full set of marbles are now heavily incentivesed to join the largest alliance they can find. This will only make Super blobs worse.
Perhaps you'll see more supercaps in the blob, and larger blobs, but you'll see them less frequently and less widespread. CCP has solved some of the problems and perhaps not all, but it's a great first step.
[quote[Finally, these changes mean that Supers will be used less. On some level, this is not a bad thing. Personally, I might advocate for the total removal of Supers from the game. However, CCP has also just nerfed the "end game" of EVE. Oh, and for all of you who claim that EVE is a sandbox with no end game, go take a basic psychology class at your local community college. Pathetic.
I, for one, hope my tears, at least, fuel you in your future journeys. I expect that by this time next year CCP will be a tattered corpse lying in a gutter by the access road.[/quote]
Supercaps being used less is a good thing. There should be no 'end-game' in eve. I might consider that there are multiple "achievements' that people feel the same sense of accomplishment about that they would feel about achieving an 'end-game'.... but it's truly not an end-game, because there are many, many things like this and once one is achieved, you can move on to the next. If you're looking for one, that could be the source of your disappointment more so, as now there is less of one than there was. [/quote]
TL;DR -- the new changes do nothing to reduce supercap blobbing, and in fact just make super pilots wants to get into bigger mega blobs. CCP fails and proves itself to be a dumb blunt-minded brute.[/quote]
CCP is moving forward not back. They're focused on spaceships! They're fixing some problems and making things better. I urge you to morn the loss of the old super-duper-win-button-carriers, and once you've worked thru your grief, make a suggestion that would help solve the problem of super-blobs, without going backwards and breaking the things that have been fixed. CCP is taking suggestions and running with them right now. You might have the answer they're looking for, hiding behind your frustration. Consider that.
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Oberine Noriepa
201
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Posted - 2011.11.17 02:55:00 -
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mkint wrote:That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese. Currently, these are my three favorite cheeses:
1.) Manchego 2.) Feta 3.) Roquefort
I'm lactose intolerant, however, so I have to eat dairy products in moderation. |

Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2011.11.17 02:57:00 -
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op is acting like he just found out it is like if i went on second life and raged where's the spaceships |

Bloodhands
hirr Morsus Mihi
4
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Posted - 2011.11.17 03:07:00 -
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xxxak wrote:By taking away all small drones, CCP has now made solo or small groups of Supercarriers totally non-viable. The only possible use for Supercarriers is now in massive megablobs of other Supers, which only a handful of alliances/coalitions can field.
Anyone who attempts to use Supercarriers for small hot drops, small scale structure bashes, or other such non-blob work will be caught with their pants down and dragged to to a bloody and gruesome death.
The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how on track CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally awesome.
Supercap pilots thinking with a full set of marbles are now heavily incentivesed to use their brains while fighting. This will only make Super blobs worse.
Finally, these changes mean that Supers will be used less. On some level, this is not a bad thing. Personally, I might advocate for the total removal of Supers from the game. However, CCP has also just nerfed the "end game" of EVE.
I, for one, hope my tears of joy, at least, fuel you in your future journeys. I expect that by this time next year null sec will be have tattered corpses lying in a gutter by the access road.
TL;DR -- the new changes do nothing to reduce supercap blobbing, and in fact just make super pilots wants to get into bigger mega blobs. CCP fails and proves itself to be a dumb blunt-minded brute.
Fixed it for ya a little bit. The larger the ship is, the less it was designed to be flown with out support ships. The largest ships in the game were never intended to be flown as solopwnmobiles and forcing pilots to actually ensure with support that their supers are safe after logging off or not doing solo tower killing is good. Acting as if 1 ship was actually envisioned to take on fleets of 15-20 support/BS and win is so beyond absurd I would actually ask you to go back to unsubscribe your EvE account and head on back to WoW or whatever MMO you came from.
Eve was never designed to be played in easy mode. |

Bloodhands
hirr Morsus Mihi
4
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Posted - 2011.11.17 03:10:00 -
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bah, double click fail =( |

Causalitii Eullon
C.A.S. Assisted Living
2
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Posted - 2011.11.17 03:21:00 -
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xxxak wrote:being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.
Your statement is silly. I am fairly certain only bubbles and hics can hold down supers but maybe I'm just making this up. |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration
147
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Posted - 2011.11.17 03:29:00 -
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No THIS is silly... All GëíGêçGëí Ships | Many Odd GëíGêçGëí Items (+Drones) | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
174
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Posted - 2011.11.17 03:31:00 -
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+1 like for OP because 1) he knows that caps suck and should never have been put in the game, and 2) that CCP devs dont know what theyre doing (they dont play their game).
and regarding the cheese discussion - you guys dont know your damn cheeses. youre just naming yellow cheeses, which are ok but there's so much more to cheese. has anyone had fresh cheese from goat or sheep milk? there's nothing like fresh cheese you amateurs. if i have to vote for a fatty cheese, i'll go with provolone and organic cheddar. |

Gordrath
Hand of Destiny CELESTIAL ORDER RISING PHEONIX
0
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Posted - 2011.11.17 05:12:00 -
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Andski wrote:Nova Fox wrote:YOu could fly out of a bubble unless the bubble moves! you'll be out of the bubble in no time at the blazing fast speed of 66 m/s
but...but... you could fit a 1000MN MWD III on that thing.......to get more cheese out of it ...no?  |

Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
78
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Posted - 2011.11.17 05:36:00 -
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I prefer mozza, myself. Good on pizza, tacos, burritos, you name it!
And I also want to point out how appropriate it is that the thread topic changed to cheese.
After all, it started with a fine whine. ;) |

Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions
46
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Posted - 2011.11.17 07:01:00 -
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I can haz ur stuffs, OP? I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count? |

Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions
46
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Posted - 2011.11.17 07:05:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:mkint wrote:Your post would have been better if you were trying to garner the support of your fellow forumites instead of insulting them just for the hell of it.
That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese. I like velveta cheese for some reason, Its supposed to be cheddar but the way it melts and gooey and the sorts just make it far superior to most other cheddars i know of. Also american cheese isnt a real cheese is a cheese byproduct.
Velveeta...meh: Wild over-indulgence in that stuff as a kid pretty much killed my taste for it as an adult..
Is American cheese even food?
I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count? |

Ned Black
Driders
3
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Posted - 2011.11.17 07:55:00 -
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xxxak wrote:Supercap pilots thinking with a full set of marbles are now heavily incentivesed to join the largest alliance they can find. This will only make Super blobs worse.
Finally, these changes mean that Supers will be used less. On some level, this is not a bad thing. Personally, I might advocate for the total removal of Supers from the game. However, CCP has also just nerfed the "end game" of EVE. Oh, and for all of you who claim that EVE is a sandbox with no end game, go take a basic psychology class at your local community college. Pathetic.
I, for one, hope my tears, at least, fuel you in your future journeys. I expect that by this time next year CCP will be a tattered corpse lying in a gutter by the access road.
TL;DR -- the new changes do nothing to reduce supercap blobbing, and in fact just make super pilots wants to get into bigger mega blobs. CCP fails and proves itself to be a dumb blunt-minded brute.
So in one sentence you say that the super cap blobs will be even bigger... and in the next that supers will be used less... does not compute...
Best counter to your complete SC blobfest would be a regular fleet of sub caps. The SCs would be sitting ducks... so no, I seriously doubt that there will be any SC blobs... I do think there will be a lot SCs playing dust collectors... not to mention the plague of SC self destruction we will likely see... now I only wish they would have removed insurance from self destructing as well as suicide ganking. |

Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
8
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Posted - 2011.11.17 08:37:00 -
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The real end game is -1.0 sec aka wspace, HTFU |

Ougaa Baalstomp
Deviance Cartel 0ccupational Hazzard
2
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Posted - 2011.11.17 08:47:00 -
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Cheddar makes my cheeks burn.
I think its an allergic reaction but is quite pleasant.
..er my face cheeks that is. |

Samillian
Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
26
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Posted - 2011.11.17 09:16:00 -
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1. Shropshire Blue 2. Mature Cheddar 3. Stilton
All of the above are excellent but just add a light sprinkling of whining supercap pilot tears for that extra zing. |

Tore Vest
Vikinghall
66
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Posted - 2011.11.17 09:35:00 -
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Why spoil this fine thread with.. cheese?  |

Onictus
Legendary Knights Vorpal's Edge
31
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Posted - 2011.11.17 10:02:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Astrid Stjerna wrote:Zagam wrote:
Seriously though... CCP's changes aren't forcing bigger supercap blobs. They are forcing supercaps to require a *fleet* of support. Supercaps aren't designed to OMGWTFBBQ rats or subcaps. They are designed to be anti-capital ships.
Indeed. Not even in real-world navies do aircraft carriers operate without some kind of support, whether from the aircraft they carry with them or from other smaller ships in the fleet. Because of their immense size and relatively low moblity, and the fact that most of their guns are designed for long-range bombardment, rather than anti-aircraft fire, operating without support is pretty much suicide. Hold the phone there Sparky. The only guns we had on our carrier that weren't attached to aircraft were the CIWS (close in weapons systems, affectionately known as "R2-D2 with a hard-on") designed to shoot down incoming planes and missile... nothing that was a threat at all to anything at range. And yes, they serve cheese on aircraft carriers. http://www.myspace.com/lil44_69/photos/25069865#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A25069865%7D (This is not me, btw...)
CWIS
Captain it Won't Shoot
Costly inefficient Waste of Space
...and a Phalanx certainly isn't an AA platfom, since it its speed gated a pilot only has to slow down to completely defeat the system...oh and be too close and there is no need to ever be that close in a military combat craft.
Those are the ONLY non-crew served weapons on a carrier and trust me NO ONE EVER want to rely on it as a real defense....ever.
I was a FC in the Navy for 9 years, I spent my fair share up on the mount beating the **** out of the gun itself trying to unjam things lol.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
837
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Posted - 2011.11.17 10:05:00 -
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loose lips sink ships, spy |

Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
39
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Posted - 2011.11.17 11:10:00 -
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The more a cheese stinks, the harder it owns. |

MaiLina KaTar
Katar Corp
30
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Posted - 2011.11.17 13:06:00 -
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I was on a vacation in Marseilles last year. Cheese plates will all kinds of cheese the names I can't even pronounce. You get baguette and some ham and it's f***ing awesome with the magnificent coastline view, some wine and all that good ****. |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
7
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Posted - 2011.11.17 14:22:00 -
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The annoying thing about low moisture Mozzarella is that the pre-shredded stuff is covered in cornstarch, so it never melts properly. You end up having to buy bricks (whole milk ofc) and shred your own to have any chance of getting to melt reasonably well on your pizza.
Oh, and Armenian braided string cheese. Mmmmmm.
If you log your super off while an ibis is shooting you, you're an idiot. Just warp to a safespot and cloak and the big bad scawwey ibis can't hurt you. An Ibis (or anything other than an interdictor/heavy dictor) can't hold down a super (in case you forgot, that aint changing). |

InVictus Kell
The Scope Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2011.11.17 19:53:00 -
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two days and not one single "you want cheese with that whine" type of comment?
you people should be ashamed of yourselves. This thread was born for rebreaking out the old relics of trolldom. |

IGNATIUS HOOD
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
28
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Posted - 2011.11.17 20:14:00 -
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SMT008 wrote:I think that Supercarriers are a bit like tanks in Battlefield 3.
Powerfull, you have your main gun, you have the coaxial machinegun, you have the gunner's turret, you have the CITV station and all.
But if you roll too fast and without support in the ennemy base, what happens ? You'll get hit by 2 RPGs, your vehicle will be disabled, you won't be able to reverse to a safe place because you're too far from any kind of cover or friendly engineers who could repair you. And you'll die in a fire because you though you were driving an invincible behemoth.
(And it works the same with attack choppers. They kick metric tons of asses, but if they encounter too many AA Launchers or AA vehicles, you better get out fast. Ask your teammates to clean those up with regular tanks, then you'll be able to fly freely and destroy everything they have.)
Go alone and you'll die. Go with a support team, they won't break the tank because of friendly engineers, they'll get killed by the tank's machineguns, the tank will wreck any sort of cover if the ennemy is hiding. Epic win.
Right Right Right.... and what do they call these strategies of utilizing different weapon systems with complimentary advantages and mutually negating shortcomings? I believe they call it a combined arms strategy. What would help balance CAP/SCAP warfare? Adjusting the abilities of certain ship types to neccessitate a combined arms approach in order to achieve competitive balance. In RL competitive balance sucks, but in a game its very necessary to avoid stagnate play.
It would appear that this has been done, or at least attempted. That being said I think you will see an eventual adjustment from a no drones at all policy to a small number or drones in a seperate bay policy becuase that makes too much sense not to do it both from a game play perspective and logical reasons.
'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim'
Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you. |

IGNATIUS HOOD
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
28
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Posted - 2011.11.17 20:16:00 -
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Jack Tronic wrote:The real end game is -1.0 sec aka wspace, HTFU
Once you head into the rabbit hole, everything else loses its potency. Flowers smell prettier, colors are brighter, etc. etc. 'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim'
Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you. |

Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.11.17 20:47:00 -
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Only one person has mentioned Jarlsburg already. The shame.
Also, cap changes are goooood. Supers only having a viable counter of more supers is beyond silly.
(I'll freely admit that I am an advocate of removing Supercarriers, as despite all the changes they've still not got an actual role to fill. Titans don't either, but I think due to their size and cost, they could be turned into a mobile space factory pooing out subcaps, or at least, tied into sov/on grid fleet boosts). |

Perramas
Pan Caldarian Ventures
22
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Posted - 2011.11.17 20:53:00 -
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Aloe Cloveris wrote:The more a cheese stinks, the harder it owns.
You must love fumunda cheese. |
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