Your post would have been better if you were trying to garner the support of your fellow forumites instead of insulting them just for the hell of it.

That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese.

Your post would have been better if you were trying to garner the support of your fellow forumites instead of insulting them just for the hell of it.

That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese.

Anyone who attempts to use Supercarriers for small hot drops, small scale structure bashes, or other such non-blob work will be caught with their pants down and dragged to to a bloody and gruesome death.

The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.

Supercap pilots thinking with a full set of marbles are now heavily incentivesed to join the largest alliance they can find. This will only make Super blobs worse.

I like velveta cheese for some reason, Its supposed to be cheddar but the way it melts and gooey and the sorts just make it far superior to most other cheddars i know of.

Also american cheese isnt a real cheese is a cheese byproduct.

Velveeta?!? VELVEETA?!?

You sir are no longer allowed to have cheese. or you can have blue cheese only.

good day sir!

Seriously though... CCP's changes aren't forcing bigger supercap blobs. They are forcing supercaps to require a *fleet* of support. Supercaps aren't designed to OMGWTFBBQ rats or subcaps. They are designed to be anti-capital ships.

it's about cheese now?

one word: HAVARTI

it's about cheese now?

one word: HAVARTI

The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.

That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese.

aircraft carriers [...] and the fact that most of their guns are designed for long-range bombardment

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! MY SOLOPWNMACHINE IS BROKENENEN!

if only there were ships capable of killing the mighty ibis solo

or, if only you could warp off or jump out instead of logging off

or, if only you could wait out your 15 minute aggression timer first

this horrible situation might not happen



I like provolone, american cheese is edible but only barely so

However, CCP has also just nerfed the "end game" of EVE.

I like provolone but for some reason the stuff provided by the resturant is much better than any of my local deli stores has i dunno why.

Swiss has always been a mixed bag as well, some of the stuff is like ultra sharp and others ultra smooth.

And i for one abhor blue cheese on my salad.
On the other hand had some of it on a hot dog recently where it wasnt as bad.

However, CCP has also just nerfed the "end game" of EVE.

TROLOLOLOLOL

But seri0us, I am mad, bro.

The changes do nothing to address the issue of super-blobbing. By taking away all small drones, CCP has now made solo or small groups of Supercarriers totally non-viable.

The only possible use for Supercarriers is now in massive megablobs of other Supers, which only a handful of alliances/coalitions can field.

Finally, these changes mean that Supers will be used less

Colby Jack count?

TROLOLOLOLOL

But seri0us, I am mad, bro.

, CCP has now made solo or small groups of Supercarriers totally non-viable.

Supercaps are ... absolutely screwed when it meets a bubble isn't a terribly exciting prospect for a lot of us.

I love how in this corld, dark universe we call eve...

Everyone sits around and bitches about balance and fairness.

Wow what a hardcore game.

Bubbles interdict supers?

CCP has proven yet again that they are no better than other modern game corporations, lurching forward without any finesse or sense of elegance.

The changes to Supercarriers, which now are nearly set in stone, are hilariously bad.

The changes do nothing to address the issue of super-blobbing. By taking away all small drones, CCP has now made solo or small groups of Supercarriers totally non-viable. The only possible use for Supercarriers is now in massive megablobs of other Supers, which only a handful of alliances/coalitions can field.

Anyone who attempts to use Supercarriers for small hot drops, small scale structure bashes, or other such non-blob work will be caught with their pants down and dragged to to a bloody and gruesome death.

The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.

Supercap pilots thinking with a full set of marbles are now heavily incentivesed to join the largest alliance they can find. This will only make Super blobs worse.

Finally, these changes mean that Supers will be used less. On some level, this is not a bad thing. Personally, I might advocate for the total removal of Supers from the game. However, CCP has also just nerfed the "end game" of EVE. Oh, and for all of you who claim that EVE is a sandbox with no end game, go take a basic psychology class at your local community college. Pathetic.

I, for one, hope my tears, at least, fuel you in your future journeys. I expect that by this time next year CCP will be a tattered corpse lying in a gutter by the access road.

TL;DR -- the new changes do nothing to reduce supercap blobbing, and in fact just make super pilots wants to get into bigger mega blobs. CCP fails and proves itself to be a dumb blunt-minded brute.

Wait doesnt this mean that super caps will die to subcap fleets easier?

oh god... you again


you know what OP?
the difference between my crap posts and yours is that you actually believe in the crap you post

Can you explain how this change makes gangs without suppers some how less viable?

Bubbles interdict supers?

this, my friends, is why RAWR has lost two regions within five months

Anyone who attempts to use Supercarriers for small hot drops, small scale structure bashes, or other such non-blob work will be caught with their pants down and dragged to to a bloody and gruesome death.

Don;'t use em, so not sure but aren't supers immune to EWAR (which would include bubbles right?)?

Indeed.

Not even in real-world navies do aircraft carriers operate without some kind of support, whether from the aircraft they carry with them or from other smaller ships in the fleet. Because of their immense size and relatively low moblity, and the fact that most of their guns are designed for long-range bombardment, rather than anti-aircraft fire, operating without support is pretty much suicide.

YOu could fly out of a bubble unless the bubble moves!

No, supers are not immune to bubbles. If you're bubbled, you cannot enter warp or jump to a cyno - you're stuck unless you manage to take the bubble down with your smartbombs or by neuting out the HICs.

Can you or someone explain how thse changes encourage supercaps to just form larger blobs rather than bring in a support fleet?

. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.

Ibis can fit a Warp Disruption Field Generator now?

The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.

Indeed.

Not even in real-world navies do aircraft carriers operate without some kind of support, whether from the aircraft they carry with them or from other smaller ships in the fleet. Because of their immense size and relatively low moblity, and the fact that most of their guns are designed for long-range bombardment, rather than anti-aircraft fire, operating without support is pretty much suicide.

Havarti, absolutely. A fine cheese, that one.

if only there were ships capable of killing the mighty ibis solo

Whats that cheese they use in lasanga alot? was it alfredo or something or fettuchini?

You can't not be Italian

The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.

Alfredo is a bechamel sauce with Parmesan in it. Fettuccine are the flat narrow noodles. Lasagna usually has mozzarella and ricotta.

Speaking of ricotta, I know this place that has amazing canolli's. He does a vanilla ricotta filling into chocolate dipped shells. Food of the gods, I tell you what.

if only there were ships capable of killing the mighty ibis solo

some traditional lasagna uses the bechamel sauce instead of mozzarella

CCP has proven yet again that they are no better than other modern game corporations, lurching forward without any finesse or sense of elegance.

The changes to Supercarriers, which now are nearly set in stone, are hilariously bad.

The changes do nothing to address the issue of super-blobbing. By taking away all small drones, CCP has now made solo or small groups of Supercarriers totally non-viable. The only possible use for Supercarriers is now in massive megablobs of other Supers, which only a handful of alliances/coalitions can field.

Anyone who attempts to use Supercarriers for small hot drops, small scale structure bashes, or other such non-blob work will be caught with their pants down and dragged to to a bloody and gruesome death.

The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.

Supercap pilots thinking with a full set of marbles are now heavily incentivesed to join the largest alliance they can find. This will only make Super blobs worse.

That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese.

By taking away all small drones, CCP has now made solo or small groups of Supercarriers totally non-viable. The only possible use for Supercarriers is now in massive megablobs of other Supers, which only a handful of alliances/coalitions can field.

Anyone who attempts to use Supercarriers for small hot drops, small scale structure bashes, or other such non-blob work will be caught with their pants down and dragged to to a bloody and gruesome death.

The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how on track CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally awesome.

Supercap pilots thinking with a full set of marbles are now heavily incentivesed to use their brains while fighting. This will only make Super blobs worse.

Finally, these changes mean that Supers will be used less. On some level, this is not a bad thing. Personally, I might advocate for the total removal of Supers from the game. However, CCP has also just nerfed the "end game" of EVE.

I, for one, hope my tears of joy, at least, fuel you in your future journeys. I expect that by this time next year null sec will be have tattered corpses lying in a gutter by the access road.

TL;DR -- the new changes do nothing to reduce supercap blobbing, and in fact just make super pilots wants to get into bigger mega blobs. CCP fails and proves itself to be a dumb blunt-minded brute.

being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.

you'll be out of the bubble in no time at the blazing fast speed of 66 m/s

I like velveta cheese for some reason, Its supposed to be cheddar but the way it melts and gooey and the sorts just make it far superior to most other cheddars i know of.

Also american cheese isnt a real cheese is a cheese byproduct.

Supercap pilots thinking with a full set of marbles are now heavily incentivesed to join the largest alliance they can find. This will only make Super blobs worse.

Finally, these changes mean that Supers will be used less. On some level, this is not a bad thing. Personally, I might advocate for the total removal of Supers from the game. However, CCP has also just nerfed the "end game" of EVE. Oh, and for all of you who claim that EVE is a sandbox with no end game, go take a basic psychology class at your local community college. Pathetic.

I, for one, hope my tears, at least, fuel you in your future journeys. I expect that by this time next year CCP will be a tattered corpse lying in a gutter by the access road.

TL;DR -- the new changes do nothing to reduce supercap blobbing, and in fact just make super pilots wants to get into bigger mega blobs. CCP fails and proves itself to be a dumb blunt-minded brute.

Hold the phone there Sparky. The only guns we had on our carrier that weren't attached to aircraft were the CIWS (close in weapons systems, affectionately known as "R2-D2 with a hard-on") designed to shoot down incoming planes and missile... nothing that was a threat at all to anything at range.

And yes, they serve cheese on aircraft carriers.

http://www.myspace.com/lil44_69/photos/25069865#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A25069865%7D (This is not me, btw...)

I think that Supercarriers are a bit like tanks in Battlefield 3.

Powerfull, you have your main gun, you have the coaxial machinegun, you have the gunner's turret, you have the CITV station and all.

But if you roll too fast and without support in the ennemy base, what happens ? You'll get hit by 2 RPGs, your vehicle will be disabled, you won't be able to reverse to a safe place because you're too far from any kind of cover or friendly engineers who could repair you. And you'll die in a fire because you though you were driving an invincible behemoth.

(And it works the same with attack choppers. They kick metric tons of asses, but if they encounter too many AA Launchers or AA vehicles, you better get out fast. Ask your teammates to clean those up with regular tanks, then you'll be able to fly freely and destroy everything they have.)

Go alone and you'll die. Go with a support team, they won't break the tank because of friendly engineers, they'll get killed by the tank's machineguns, the tank will wreck any sort of cover if the ennemy is hiding. Epic win.

The real end game is -1.0 sec aka wspace, HTFU

The more a cheese stinks, the harder it owns.

The changes do nothing to address the issue of super-blobbing.

I hate to break it to you, OP, but this (re-)balancing is instilling exactly what should have been the case right from day 1:

Super-capitals should never have been allowed to become anything but an Alliance-level (or arguably, at least largish-corp.) strategic asset, and should not operate on any level without Alliance-level strategic, and corporate-level tactical support.

More blobs?

No:

Properly fielding a super-capital after 29 November will now simply require more diversity in fleets to support it properly, not necessarily larger ones, and to counter same, you'll actually need diverse fleet-composition--IE, "Anti-support support," as the description in-game of combat recons says--and tactics of your own...This will, ideally, lead to actual fleet fights, not just something like:

(Pilot on comms): "Heads up, (this or that enemy ship) lit a cyno...jumping in, Nyx, Nyx, Aeon, Aeon, Nyx,.....,Nyx..(and on and on and on)."

(FC on comms): "(F-word), OK, everybody disengage, scatter and get safe, scatter and get safe, there's nothing we can do against these guys."

You know, tactics, planning, and teamwork? Satan forbid that one should ever have to do that in upper-level PvP in a multiplayer game! Botting/RMT-ing all that ISK is rough work, after all, I should be allowed my solo ULTRAWTFBBQ button for all my "efforts!"

(/Me sings) Hit the road, IWINBUTTON!!111!!, and dont'cha be comin' back no more, no more, no more, no more!

And, once again: I can haz ur stuffs?

(/Me sings) Hit the road, IWINBUTTON!!111!!, and dont'cha be comin' back no more, no more, no more, no more!

CCP has proven yet again that they are no better than other modern game corporations, lurching forward without any finesse or sense of elegance.

The changes to Supercarriers, which now are nearly set in stone, are hilariously bad.

The changes do nothing to address the issue of super-blobbing. By taking away all small drones, CCP has now made solo or small groups of Supercarriers totally non-viable. The only possible use for Supercarriers is now in massive megablobs of other Supers, which only a handful of alliances/coalitions can field.

Anyone who attempts to use Supercarriers for small hot drops, small scale structure bashes, or other such non-blob work will be caught with their pants down and dragged to to a bloody and gruesome death.

The infinite log-off timer is another example of just how blunt and confused CCP's actions have become. Certainly logoffski was ridiculous with supers. But the new alternative, being held down for 23 hours by an Ibis, is equally silly.

Supercap pilots thinking with a full set of marbles are now heavily incentivesed to join the largest alliance they can find. This will only make Super blobs worse.

Finally, these changes mean that Supers will be used less. On some level, this is not a bad thing. Personally, I might advocate for the total removal of Supers from the game. However, CCP has also just nerfed the "end game" of EVE. Oh, and for all of you who claim that EVE is a sandbox with no end game, go take a basic psychology class at your local community college. Pathetic.

I, for one, hope my tears, at least, fuel you in your future journeys. I expect that by this time next year CCP will be a tattered corpse lying in a gutter by the access road.

TL;DR -- the new changes do nothing to reduce supercap blobbing, and in fact just make super pilots wants to get into bigger mega blobs. CCP fails and proves itself to be a dumb blunt-minded brute.

:David Attenborough:

And here, we see the FOTM kiddie in its natural habitat, the forums. This one has just lost his ability to hunt with impunity, never needing to rely on his wit nor his skill. Having grown soft when he could hunt with ease, he has realized that he may struggle to hunt, now that he is on a level playing field with the rest of the jungle. His response, as you can see, is to pull out his hair and gnash at the shadows, occasionally screaming gibberish. He may not survive the winter.

Grath, fighters are not gonna be able to hit nothing below capitals pretty much so...

Idgi this change really does nothing to supers, why do people keep acting like it does?


You can thank the carrier pilots, and sanctum runners, but to be fair, 30 supers that are all aeons will spider tank though anything and still launch 150 fighters, while carrying a full bay of bombers.


Anybody who thinks this patch changes anything is sadly out of touch with reality.

Actually, it makes it MORE likely that supers will be used in Blobs. Thanks for confirming that, Mr. Pandemic Legion pilot.

To anybody that understands game mechanics this "supercap nerf" is a joke, it was never anything but that, supers always get used in blobs, just like support does, im not sure what point you're trying to make.

Its the people that think that suddenly supers are useless that are deluded and confused, they hurt just as bad as they ever did, the nerf actually buffed them in a few places.

but judging by the huge bawwing fuss that you yourself made at even these "joke" nerfs, I guess CCP have decided that they can't boil this particular frog any faster.

My huge bawing fuss is that my Titan has a SIX THOUSAND CUBIC METER CARGO HOLD, but can't find 25 cubic meters of space for a flight of light drones.

Thats absurd and I want the engineer of the Erebus shot in the street.

why not shoot him for designing a ship that thinks its underwater

Idgi this change really does nothing to supers, why do people keep acting like it does?


You can thank the carrier pilots, and sanctum runners, but to be fair, 30 supers that are all aeons will spider tank though anything and still launch 150 fighters, while carrying a full bay of bombers.


Anybody who thinks this patch changes anything is sadly out of touch with reality.

why not shoot him for designing a ship that thinks its underwater

My huge bawing fuss is that my Titan has a SIX THOUSAND CUBIC METER CARGO HOLD, but can't find 25 cubic meters of space for a flight of light drones.

Thats absurd and I want the engineer of the Erebus shot in the street.

Supercarriers are now immune to ECM burst. How much more of a buff do you need?

Wrong way, CCP! Go back! Supercapitals should not gain immunity to EWAR, just very high resistance to it.

To be fair, 150 fighters is alot better than 600.

Yes, but so are Titans and sieged dreads.

Difference is that titans can get tracking linked and remote sensor boosted while sieged dreads cannot. It's totally not a design flaw!

Your Mom is fat and ugly anyways.

MOAR Cheeze!

A 20% reduction in shield, armor, and structure hp. So a 60% nerf in titan ehp. So so happy.

No. It's a 20% nerf.

20% A + 20% B + 20% C = 20% (A+B+C)

rage text.

I don't think I am insulting most forum-dwelling fatbodies. I think I am insulting CCP... but correct me if I am wrong.. :p

You're complaining about more people dying? wtf is the world comming to?

I don't see anything regarding that.

edit: Got "01:29:44 Notify You cannot activate that module on the target as interference prevents assistance from being given to them." when I tried to tracking link an Erebus, :toot:

I like velveta cheese for some reason, Its supposed to be cheddar but the way it melts and gooey and the sorts just make it far superior to most other cheddars i know of.

Also american cheese isnt a real cheese is a cheese byproduct.

this, my friends, is why RAWR has lost two regions within five months

omg this is a big **** .... i pay a lot of billion of isk for this ship and now you fu ck all the ship.....

but dont worry ccp always do the same ....... fu ck fuc k and fu ck all they can and dont ask if this is good or not.



i dont pay more for this sh it

The changes do nothing to address the issue of super-blobbing. By taking away all small drones, CCP has now made solo or small groups of Supercarriers totally non-viable. The only possible use for Supercarriers is now in massive megablobs of other Supers, which only a handful of alliances/coalitions can field.

However, CCP has also just nerfed the "end game" of EVE. Oh, and for all of you who claim that EVE is a sandbox with no end game, go take a basic psychology class at your local community college. Pathetic.

A lesson for u @ creating isk sink 101

Take something really expensive
Make it really awesome
Let ppl hop on the band waggon with hugh amount of isk invested (implants shiny mods)
Nerf it so demand crashing and everything devalue-¦s:
- characters lose billions of vaulue due less demand
- ships due less demand,
- implants, ect
-mods going to crash due not worth fitting

This is about trillions of isk that is getting lost in kills and devalued

None of those things are ISK sinks, aside from a trivial amount of ISK that goes into getting implants for LP.

Well its not isk sink .. but it takes trilions of ISK out of market just as easily. I dont care that much, since i am not an cap pilot and i never wanted to be one.

ons of ISK out of market just as easily. I dont care that much, since i am not an cap pilot and i never wanted to be one.

None of those things are ISK sinks, aside from a trivial amount of ISK that goes into getting implants for LP.

. You, and your pathetic little group of rabble will be raped, murdered, and/or evicted, in no particular order. You will live in highsec, where you will mine or run missions.

omg this is a big **** .... i pay a lot of billion of isk for this ship and now you fu ck all the ship.....

but dont worry ccp always do the same ....... fu ck fuc k and fu ck all they can and dont ask if this is good or not.



i dont pay more for this sh it

depends how u look at it, while eve sitting atm on a super cap bubble that is about the explode ands a massive devaule of anything around it, it is a isk sink...Buy expense char, officer mod, implant super at top price... nerf happends.... devalluation happends = losing isk to nothing = isk sink (one time or multiple if ship explodes)

Example current u pay:
Erebus 85,
shiny cormack tc x2, mag stab x2 8b + 10b
tracking & damage implant 5b
slaves set 2,2b
buy titan char at premium (perfect) 45b
total: 155,2b

After nerft:
Erebus 75,
shiny cormack tc x2, mag stab x2 4b + 3b (prices before abusing)
tracking & damage implant 3b
slaves set 1,5b
buy titan char at premium (perfect) 35b
total: 121,5b

35 Billion isk dissapears into nothing, you tell me is that a isk sink or not

TL;DR: My SC is no longer going to be a PWNMobile and I am quite frankly perturbed about it and I am going to put on my big boy panties and rage about it in the forums.

As one who had someone attempt to camp my T1 frigate into a station with a SC, I say, bugger off, chap. (Was that British enough?).

That said, this (potentially good) topic is now about cheese.

You know we are going to get some very dangerous regular carrier pilots as they're near max skilled when they down grade ish.

Indeed.

Not even in real-world navies do aircraft carriers operate without some kind of support, whether from the aircraft they carry with them or from other smaller ships in the fleet. Because of their immense size and relatively low moblity, and the fact that most of their guns are designed for long-range bombardment, rather than anti-aircraft fire, operating without support is pretty much suicide.

You can only be held in place for 23 hours if you log out after aggression. If you are that worried about an ibis trapping you for 23 hours, maybe you should take advantage of that ewar immunity and jump out of system and log off at a POS?

A 20% reduction in shield, armor, and structure hp. So a 60% nerf in titan ehp. So so happy.

Then we talk about cheese.

I forgot what type of cheese they are but they come in minature wheels its like 7$ USD a small bag of 5 of them and these things are so rich I almost get sick eating just one but ahh they're so good.

Also IMO if they keep nerfing the supers at this rate they need to give an option to dock them up or anchor them at a pos.

I have 2 bottles of vodka here. Both of them have 60% alcohol.

Do i get 120% alcohol if i mix both of the bottles together then ?

I wish I could like your post more

As I have not been in big wars and only know small gang fights, I have not really got an idea of what happens. But what do concern me is that if I do get there someday, is the fact that the end game ships is now nerved.

After read a huge amount of this thread I think that dev should compensate the nerving with skill bonuses and let you basic skills in armour or shield or gunnery combine with your capital ship ones.

Kind Regards
Slye

PS as I am a reader and almost never post in the 4 years I have playing you must not expect a reply from me.

EVE isn't linear - there are no "end-game" ships. While supercaps are the biggest and most expensive ship hulls (aside from prize ships) but they're not "end-game." They're also not the most skillpoint-reliant ships in the game - although most the skills required (racial titan, DDO, jump skills, etc.) are high-ranked skills, the same could be said of Fleet Commands which require close to a year of training just to maximize the fleet bonuses from the particular hull (i.e. a Claymore: Skirmish Warfare V, Skirmish Warfare Specialist V, Wing Command V, Minmatar Cruiser V, Logistics IV, Command Ships V, etc.) and even more if you actually need to expose the ship to hostile fire.

You can solo a level 5 wormhole in a Sleipnir to training for those ships is not a waste.

.. too bad they are specialized but hey we got....new..... battlecruisers....... oh darn....

Infinite logoff timer? Did I miss something?
Could someone please point in the direction of this Infinite Logoff Timer, please?

Dev blog button at the top of this page. Unfortunately there is no devblog about cheese. I would be interested to know what cheeses are native to Iceland.