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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5710
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Posted - 2014.07.23 20:16:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:La Nariz wrote:.
Unlike NPC corporations player corporations have far more constraints and the effects of bad posting can be a self moderating force. Which is one of the many reasons why NPC corporations need to have their posting abilities restricted. There is plenty of evidence from those of us that read the forums regularly that members of your very alliance frequently troll the forums, so no your alliance isn't self moderating at all.
Disagreeing with a bad idea isn't trolling, it's disagreeing with a bad idea. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
Dhaq
Anonymous Posters
39
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Posted - 2014.07.23 20:37:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Disagreeing with a bad idea isn't trolling, it's disagreeing with a bad idea.
100% agree
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
148
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Posted - 2014.07.23 20:57:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:La Nariz wrote:.
Unlike NPC corporations player corporations have far more constraints and the effects of bad posting can be a self moderating force. Which is one of the many reasons why NPC corporations need to have their posting abilities restricted. There is plenty of evidence from those of us that read the forums regularly that members of your very alliance frequently troll the forums, so no your alliance isn't self moderating at all. Disagreeing with a bad idea isn't trolling, it's disagreeing with a bad idea. Ah, something I can agree with! |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2629
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Posted - 2014.07.24 13:07:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:La Nariz wrote:.
Unlike NPC corporations player corporations have far more constraints and the effects of bad posting can be a self moderating force. Which is one of the many reasons why NPC corporations need to have their posting abilities restricted. There is plenty of evidence from those of us that read the forums regularly that members of your very alliance frequently troll the forums, so no your alliance isn't self moderating at all.
If you want to keep debating the issue you have to get the goonspiracy out of your arguments, it only serves to show that there isn't so much opposition against my idea as there is against the person who posted it. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Dhaq
Anonymous Posters
39
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Posted - 2014.07.24 14:37:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:La Nariz wrote:.
Unlike NPC corporations player corporations have far more constraints and the effects of bad posting can be a self moderating force. Which is one of the many reasons why NPC corporations need to have their posting abilities restricted. There is plenty of evidence from those of us that read the forums regularly that members of your very alliance frequently troll the forums, so no your alliance isn't self moderating at all. If you want to keep debating the issue you have to get the goonspiracy out of your arguments, it only serves to show that there isn't so much opposition against my idea as there is against the person who posted it.
I'm sorry but the GRR GOONS shield does not protect you from the point he was making. Player corporations do not have "far more" constraints and are not a "self moderating force".
If you want to keep making baseless claims without any evidence to back them up, it only serves to show that there isn't so much merit to your ideas as there is trollish intent. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2631
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Posted - 2014.07.24 15:29:00 -
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Dhaq wrote:
I'm sorry but the GRR GOONS shield does not protect you from the point he was making. Player corporations do not have "far more" constraints and are not a "self moderating force".
If you want to keep making baseless claims without any evidence to back them up, it only serves to show that there isn't so much merit to your ideas as there is trollish intent.
Its ad hom it does not in any way target my argument and instead targets me. Fine you can insult me all you want but, that means there's no opposition to my idea. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Dhaq
Anonymous Posters
39
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Posted - 2014.07.24 16:18:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Its ad hom it does not in any way target my argument and instead targets me. Fine you can insult me all you want but, that means there's no opposition to my idea.
No, the comment specifically mentions the alliance that you happen to be a part of, not you.
So let's recap:
1) You make a bold suggestion to ban a large number of forum users, and force them into some alternate game play that they obviously do not care for.
2) You provide no evidence, other than your opinion, to support your idea that NPC corps are lowering the quality of the forum. So much in fact, that every last one of them should all be banned.
Now if you were to go through and get a detailed number of threads and post and be able to give actual hard numbers on how NPC corps are lowering the quality maybe your idea wouldn't seem so absurd. All this information is freely available for you to go gather, organize and submit before us. But you haven't. And you won't. So why on earth should an idea that negatively affects so many people be taken seriously or even considered when the presenter and those few in agreement cannot be bothered to put a tiny bit of effort into backing up your claim.
So, no. You are not under attack. Your ridiculous idea is. |
Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille Gallente Federation
74
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Posted - 2014.07.24 16:20:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:
Its ad hom it does not in any way target my argument and instead targets me. Fine you can insult me all you want but, that means there's no opposition to my idea.
From this thread there is both opposition and support. This seems to break down into hi-sec and nul-sec groupings.
Since your idea is to change the forums by banning/restricting a portion of Eve, the onus of proof is on you to support and sell your idea. Not on the opposition. "Please point to the place on the doll where the carebear touched you." |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2631
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Posted - 2014.07.24 16:42:00 -
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Dhaq wrote:La Nariz wrote:Its ad hom it does not in any way target my argument and instead targets me. Fine you can insult me all you want but, that means there's no opposition to my idea. No, the comment specifically mentions the alliance that you happen to be a part of, not you. So let's recap: 1) You make a bold suggestion to ban a large number of forum users, and force them into some alternate game play that they obviously do not care for. 2) You provide no evidence, other than your opinion, to support your idea that NPC corps are lowering the quality of the forum. So much in fact, that every last one of them should all be banned. Now if you were to go through and get a detailed number of threads and post and be able to give actual hard numbers on how NPC corps are lowering the quality maybe your idea wouldn't seem so absurd. All this information is freely available for you to go gather, organize and submit before us. But you haven't. And you won't. So why on earth should an idea that negatively affects so many people be taken seriously or even considered when the presenter and those few in agreement cannot be bothered to put a tiny bit of effort into backing up your claim. So, no. You are not under attack. Your ridiculous idea is.
Goonspiracy is ad hom attacking the person through the organization they belong to. Ad hom does nothing to further your purpose and if anything shows you have nothing against the argument.
1. It is not banning/silencing/removing/exterminating/(hyperbolic crap), its restriction NPC corporation members could still post just not everywhere.
2. I provided evidence and this thread has provided plenty of new evidence to support my idea.
I have done as you said before for a different cause and it was met with the same vitriol as this idea. People aren't interested in reality, data or facts they benefit from the mechanic being abused so they want it to stay.
This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
3934
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Posted - 2014.07.25 04:23:00 -
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This has turned into one of the worst suggestions I've read in a while in F&I.
If I'm able to roll alts to awox, spy, steal, sow discord, and destroy inside the game I'm more than free to do the same on forums. Learn to use the block function, like anyone does in Jita Local and be responsible for your own good content filter.
Obfuscation of identity is one of the key forms of play in this game. It's unfortunate that you have to resort to threadnaughts to nerf someone else's style of play.
.. when everything else is gone .. |
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
3936
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Posted - 2014.07.25 04:28:00 -
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Oh, and I'm missing the place where any semblance of data is presented in the suggestion creating the thread.
Your perception of NPC alts invading the forums with nonsense appears to be based your narrow and biased perception alone. The percentage of NPC alts who violate forum rules and are reprimanded with temporary or permanent bans is data that is unavailable to you so I'm failing to see how you can draw any scientific conclusions from your "feelings" on the matter.
Lastly, 1.5 million ISK? I fail to see how a corp creation fee that is a deterrent of any kind. .. when everything else is gone .. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1464
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:41:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Lastly, 1.5 million ISK? I fail to see how a corp creation fee that is a deterrent of any kind.
So raise the corp creation fee to 10 million. Plenty of people won't pay that much because of "principles". No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
623
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Posted - 2014.07.25 08:54:00 -
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Rather than restrict others from posting simply restrict yourself from reading/responding to obvious trolls. Problem solved with no code changes required... |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
3960
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Posted - 2014.07.25 09:56:00 -
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admiral root wrote:So raise the corp creation fee to 10 million. Plenty of people won't pay that much because of "principles". Don't you think you should use an already-available forum block function instead of suggesting a game mechanic change that impacts a bunch of people who never use forums? Forum participation is a minority of EVE players.
.. when everything else is gone .. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2632
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Posted - 2014.07.25 14:22:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:admiral root wrote:So raise the corp creation fee to 10 million. Plenty of people won't pay that much because of "principles". Don't you think you should use an already-available forum block function instead of suggesting a game mechanic change that impacts a bunch of people who never use forums? Forum participation is a minority of EVE players.
If it blocked by account you'd have a point but, I can ignore npc alt 1 only to have them make npc alt 2 and continue their garbage. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
3963
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Posted - 2014.07.25 14:28:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Don't you think you should use an already-available forum block function instead of suggesting a game mechanic change that impacts a bunch of people who never use forums? Forum participation is a minority of EVE players.
If it blocked by account you'd have a point but, I can ignore npc alt 1 only to have them make npc alt 2 and continue their garbage. You have the same limitation in Jita Local and no blocking function changes have been made in EVE, or planned.
Why should the forums be any different? .. when everything else is gone .. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2632
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Posted - 2014.07.26 13:25:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:La Nariz wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Don't you think you should use an already-available forum block function instead of suggesting a game mechanic change that impacts a bunch of people who never use forums? Forum participation is a minority of EVE players.
If it blocked by account you'd have a point but, I can ignore npc alt 1 only to have them make npc alt 2 and continue their garbage. You have the same limitation in Jita Local and no blocking function changes have been made in EVE, or planned. Why should the forums be any different?
Jita local should be different as well and I think everyone will agree with me when I say chat bots should be pursued and banned just as much as any other kind of bot. Those bots are exploiting the mechanic just as much as the npc corporation members are on the forums. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
172
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Posted - 2014.07.26 20:32:00 -
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La Nariz wrote: Goonspiracy is ad hom attacking the person through the organization they belong to.
You make this statement in a post where you are "attacking the person through the organization [npc players] they belong to".
Your self-centric view of the world knows no bounds. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
4112
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Posted - 2014.07.26 20:39:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Sibyyl wrote:La Nariz wrote:If it blocked by account you'd have a point but, I can ignore npc alt 1 only to have them make npc alt 2 and continue their garbage. You have the same limitation in Jita Local and no blocking function changes have been made in EVE, or planned. Why should the forums be any different? Jita local should be different as well and I think everyone will agree with me when I say chat bots should be pursued and banned just as much as any other kind of bot. Those bots are exploiting the mechanic just as much as the npc corporation members are on the forums. I think you're understating the intelligence that can be gathered from an account-wide blocking functionality. No one, without an API or being CCP, should know which alts are linked by an account.
If someone is botting in Jita Local then the report function is available for you as recourse. I'm not sure why CCP has to code an account-wide blocking function for you if you are unable to right-click > Block on your own.
I'm also not sure what the parallel is between botting in Jita Local and non-EULA breaking posts on the forum. One is a violation of EVE's TOS and one, though personally irritating to you, isn't a violation unless a CCP employee finds it to be. .. when everything else is gone .. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
213
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Posted - 2014.07.26 23:37:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:La Nariz wrote:.
Unlike NPC corporations player corporations have far more constraints and the effects of bad posting can be a self moderating force. Which is one of the many reasons why NPC corporations need to have their posting abilities restricted. There is plenty of evidence from those of us that read the forums regularly that members of your very alliance frequently troll the forums, so no your alliance isn't self moderating at all. If you want to keep debating the issue you have to get the goonspiracy out of your arguments, it only serves to show that there isn't so much opposition against my idea as there is against the person who posted it.
Citing the fact your own corp/alliance invalidates the VERY point you are trying to make is not "goonspiracy". Fond of playing the false victim, are you? It is growing old, and quite frankly renders you little better than the trolls you claim to despise so.
In summary it is yet another logical fallacy from you.
Shouldn't be a surprise, however, as your entire premise is basically one too. |
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
150
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Posted - 2014.07.27 02:17:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:La Nariz wrote: Goonspiracy is ad hom attacking the person through the organization they belong to.
You make this statement in a post where you are "attacking the person through the organization [npc players] they belong to". Your self-centric view of the world knows no bounds. He's also technically wrong, ad hominem is avoiding an argument by attacking the person. That's different from this situation since player organizations and trolling are central to the discussion, so discussion of goon behavior is fair play. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2633
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Posted - 2014.07.27 03:21:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote: I think you're understating the intelligence that can be gathered from an account-wide blocking functionality. No one, without an API or being CCP, should know which alts are linked by an account.
If someone is botting in Jita Local then the report function is available for you as recourse. I'm not sure why CCP has to code an account-wide blocking function for you if you are unable to right-click > Block on your own.
I'm also not sure what the parallel is between botting in Jita Local and non-EULA breaking posts on the forum. One is a violation of EVE's TOS and one, though personally irritating to you, isn't a violation unless a CCP employee finds it to be.
No if you had followed the thread espionage is why I stated any sort of npc posting corporation alliance is very vulnerable. Trolling is breaking the EULA and npc alts do a lot of it. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2633
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Posted - 2014.07.27 03:24:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:La Nariz wrote: Goonspiracy is ad hom attacking the person through the organization they belong to.
You make this statement in a post where you are "attacking the person through the organization [npc players] they belong to". Your self-centric view of the world knows no bounds.
I will take this as your concession as you have not brought up a new point and only wish to voice your outrage while continuing your boring ad homs. Maybe its an entitlement issue? NPC corporation members think they are entitled to troll the forums without any consequence to themselves and should there be a consequence they make another npc corporation member to continue the trolling. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2633
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Posted - 2014.07.27 03:25:00 -
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afkalt wrote:Citing the fact your own corp/alliance invalidates the VERY point you are trying to make is not "goonspiracy". Fond of playing the false victim, are you? It is growing old, and quite frankly renders you little better than the trolls you claim to despise so. In summary it is yet another logical fallacy from you. Shouldn't be a surprise, however, as your entire premise is basically one too.
It doesn't invalidate anything because it does not even attack the suggestion or argument. It attacks the organization and myself now attacking the person over the argument where have I heard that fallacy before? This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
213
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Posted - 2014.07.27 08:11:00 -
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No, it doesn't.
You state alliances and player corps can self moderate - you are presented with the argument that this does not work - indeed that your own alliance trolls and shiptoasts. So do many, it's not just your collective.
The fact is, your own alliance (irrespective of who it is) is undermining your point. How can you sit there and suggest that people will do something when the company you keep does not do that? As stated, it's not JUST your alliance guilty of this, but it does damage/invalidate the notion that you were arguing.
To suggest that point is goonspiracy and try to sweep it away is simply ridiculous. Playing the false victim here just undermines it further. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2636
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Posted - 2014.07.27 22:43:00 -
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afkalt wrote:No, it doesn't.
You state alliances and player corps can self moderate - you are presented with the argument that this does not work - indeed that your own alliance trolls and shiptoasts. So do many, it's not just your collective.
The fact is, your own alliance (irrespective of who it is) is undermining your point. How can you sit there and suggest that people will do something when the company you keep does not do that? As stated, it's not JUST your alliance guilty of this, but it does damage/invalidate the notion that you were arguing.
To suggest that point is goonspiracy and try to sweep it away is simply ridiculous. Playing the false victim here as opposed to countering the argument with a valid response just undermines it further.
No it isn't you cannot make a brand new character that begins in my alliance to being trolling. NPC and PC are not the same so it is an inaccurate comparison. Player corporations are far more moderated than NPC corporations through the virtue of player moderation as well; so no it supports my claim that goonspiracy is just ad hom and means anything you base on it can be safely ignored.
If you want to actually do attempt to discredit my suggestion you have to attack it not me, GSF, ISDs, GW, CCP or other posters. You're supposedly very reasonable and examples of NPC members that post well yet the majority of your collected postings are ad hom attacks. That's only adding to the litany of support for my idea. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
215
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Posted - 2014.07.27 23:25:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Player corporations are far more moderated than NPC corporations through the virtue of player moderation as well
Prove it. Because I know for a fact and can happily link examples all day, that extensive trolling is undergone by player corp members.
No corp is immune, save perhaps those who forbid members posting entirely.
Point is, the idea that player corps moderate is a pipe dream at best.
So let us eliminate 'goonspiracy' from this completely. Let's say a pandemic legion poster is trolling - what are you, I or indeed /anyone/ else going to do about it? Nothing. Furthermore I'd bet a sizeable sum that PL will do nothing too.
La Nariz wrote:You're supposedly very reasonable and examples of NPC members that post well yet the majority of your collected postings are ad hom attacks
I'm afraid I'm going to require hard evidence of my postings being 'goonspiracy' in their 'majority' (personal attacks are all bit non-existent, and not through ISDs hands) unless I misread your post. If I did not, this should be good as I think I have actually agreed with your posters more than I have not - this thread excluded. Perhaps not, you see I cannot be certain as I rarely look at the corp of whom I'm talking to because despite what you'd like to have people believe I really don't care what flag you wave. I argue the point, not the person or their affiliation - I always have and always will. You should try it sometime, taking prejudice into a forum is not heathly. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2636
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Posted - 2014.07.28 12:38:00 -
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afkalt wrote:La Nariz wrote:Player corporations are far more moderated than NPC corporations through the virtue of player moderation as well Prove it. Because I know for a fact and can happily link examples all day, that extensive trolling is undergone by player corp members. No corp is immune, save perhaps those who forbid members posting entirely. Point is, the idea that player corps moderate is a pipe dream at best. So let us eliminate 'goonspiracy' from this completely. Let's say a pandemic legion poster is trolling - what are you, I or indeed /anyone/ else going to do about it? Nothing. Furthermore I'd bet a sizeable sum that PL will do nothing too. La Nariz wrote:You're supposedly very reasonable and examples of NPC members that post well yet the majority of your collected postings are ad hom attacks I'm afraid I'm going to require hard evidence of my postings being 'goonspiracy' in their 'majority' (personal attacks are all bit non-existent, and not through ISDs hands) unless I misread your post. If I did not, this should be good as I think I have actually agreed with your posters more than I have not - this thread excluded. Perhaps not, you see I cannot be certain as I rarely look at the corp of whom I'm talking to because despite what you'd like to have people believe I really don't care what flag you wave. I argue the point, not the person or their affiliation - I always have and always will. You should try it sometime, taking prejudice into a forum is not heathly. Very late edit: don't see the point in a new post for this: I'd not have any objection to a limited number of posts per hour - whatever the limit is on a fresh character. People not badly spamming or trolling are unaffected, it would slow things right down and make people put more thought into their posts and removes all the collateral damage I had concerns about. Player corps still hold and advantage, but those who chose the life of NPCs simply need to choose their words carefully. Only hole might be biomass but if we lock that whilst a posting cool down is in effect that is solved.
I have refuted every point you brought up but, you continue to deny reality so unless you have a new point to bring up this only serves to further derail the thread. Oh look some of that "hard evidence" you wanted in your own post. You benefit from this abused mechanic so even if facts and data were there you'd continue to do as you are doing now. You are no different than the titan users in favor of titan tracking, the tech moon holders in favor of its dominance, the fw farmers in favor of that imbalance, or the drone assist users in favor of that abused mechanic.
Oh yes make sure you justify new points with something other than "because reasons," there's no meaningful discussion that can be had around those points. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
218
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Posted - 2014.07.28 14:51:00 -
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So you're levelling unfounded and unsubstantiated allegations at me? Is that what it's gotten to? Given your inability to provide any sort of proof that the 'majority' of my postings are ad-hom attacks.
I appreciate being caught in a lie/bad set of assumptions is not convenient for you, but at least you could be big enough to admit you made a mistake.
The thing about refuting a point is one tends to need to provide evidence with that refuting. Go have a look at posts by "Fabulous Rod" (assuming ISD even left any alive) and let me know how that player corp moderating is working out.
I'm sorry, you do not get away with accusing me of derailing when you make a sweeping and patently false statement, are called on it and you descend to a personal attack or your old favourite retreat of "poor goons".
Calling you on flagrant falsehoods and point evasion is not derailing, doesn't matter how much you'd like it to be. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2636
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Posted - 2014.07.28 15:57:00 -
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afkalt wrote:So you're levelling unfounded and unsubstantiated allegations at me? Is that what it's gotten to? Given your inability to provide any sort of proof that the 'majority' of my postings are ad-hom attacks.
I appreciate being caught in a lie/bad set of assumptions is not convenient for you, but at least you could be big enough to admit you made a mistake.
The thing about refuting a point is one tends to need to provide evidence with that refuting. Go have a look at posts by "Fabulous Rod" (assuming ISD even left any alive) and let me know how that player corp moderating is working out.
I'm sorry, you do not get away with accusing me of derailing when you make a sweeping and patently false statement, are called on it and you descend to a personal attack or your old favourite retreat of "poor goons".
Calling you on flagrant falsehoods and point evasion is not derailing, doesn't matter how much you'd like it to be.
You are though because you're trying to argue that goonspiracy is legitimate criticism when its really an ad hom attack. You're trying to argue that a fallacy is legitimate. You aren't arguing against the suggestion and you're derailing the thread with this crap so I guess that's a success for you, NPC alt troll did its job. It's also some "hard evidence" you love to whinge about for this thread.
You are existential proof that what I say is true that NPC members are decreasing the quality of the forum. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
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