I wasn't saying that duelling is dumb. Far from it.. I fought one my first few minutes in EVE (I lost) and it was one of the things that hooked me into the game. But I do think the format restricts some of the advantages a ship might have.

Let's take a brawler vs. a kiter for example (the fight between us). I'd rather start the fight from very far away. You'd never fight me unless there was some reasonable proximity between us. In a "war" situation, this question would never come up.. it's just a matter of who has the advantage in a split second. But in a duel, I don't know what the right answer would be. Start up close, or start far away? It seems like a binary choice which might put one person at an automatic disadvantage.

Looks like you met the "ELITE HIGHSEC PVP'ER" with perfect near perfect efficiency. Fights noobs and idiots in indies picking up jetcans. Go fight a lowsec pirate and you'll get your "gud fytes".

Losec pirates are just as bad for KM whoring as war dec'ers.

A few weeks ago I spent 5 minutes trying to convince a crow pilot to fight me 1v1 while i was in my claw. I has to say "I'm solo and want to die" before he engaged. After 5 minutes of cross-jumping he finally aggressed me and then his 2 friends (A rapier and a hound) decloak and start ganking me.

I managed to kill the Crow but couldn't warp out. The rapier pilot then proceeded to flame me and call me a scrub, despite my killing another 'ceptor while 3v1... He mad :)

I personally think API's shouldn't include kill information, nor should killmails be given. It was great initially, but now it's created a culture that discourages fighting (regardless of monetary losses) where victory must be almost assured. The easiest way to assure victory is to bring more people.

Most people wont blink at losing a 1billion isk ship because they can make money easily, but they hate how it looks on their killboard, so much so that they wont even fight.

That's because you're not fitting for the task at hand,
which is winning the duel.

Instead, you fit like usual. A duel isn't "as usual" though.
It's an artificially set up encounter.

You sound like you fit generic fits and hope to win fights.
That's the common approach and ineffective.

That being said, I personally do not like "trick" builds. I try and make it a point to fight with what I would be PVPing in under normal circumstance.

Basically, if it is not a real PVP fit then IMO it is not really a "match" it becomes something else.

What you are asking for is instanced style PVP with like minded people who enter the fight blind and are unable to refit.

Tought luck. Sandboxes have other players.

If you want to play the elitist, put the effort in, then whine.

btw, get out of that NPC corp and stop playing the hard-nerd. Then we can have a proper conversation about the "no fight" culture, eh?

Basically, if it is not a real PVP fit then IMO it is not really a "match" it becomes something else.

Why are you even posting here?

What do you think is a real PVP fit?

Well, why not? GD = oral violation. You started it.

You're an enormous coward btw. At least roll a corp so we can play properly.

Although it seems your definition of 'fight' is based upon your ability to set the terms. Which include snivelling in an NPC corp about fairness. Was that a bit harsh? Apologies.

I can tell by your remarks you want to encourage a reasoned discussion with the other snivellers, and skip over everyone else (not inc you in that Syybil, well played). I don't think you even noticed EP quite how Syybil thoroughly shamed you. That might tie into this begging on GD menality for fights, claiming not to be an elitist, and pretty much being an obnoxious berk no-one wants to play with.

Let's try this: Everyone vs Everyone. Come and get it.
Ring any bells?

@ Marsha Mallow

I am going to try reporting you as you yourself suggested, to see if an ISD will take care of you instead of me following you into more off topic debate. I like the way this thread is going atm.

Reported for personal attack!

He'd rather insult people on the forums than hunt them down in game

Because thats "honourable" or some crap

Now you see... before I might have said something like "I have several locator agents in game and I could come and find you if you like " But that would be off topic. Not to mention pointless because both of you have already bitched out several times in now deleted posts in this thread. The... you call me coward


I prefer to discuss this subject further with the non-trolls currently participating in this discussion. If the ISD will let me... I guess we will find out in a few hours or so.

Sorry, just because you call someone a troll does not invalidate their point of view

It's a rude and short label. Some of us are just a bit gobby and/or sarcastic.

Bit of a difference between those who chat and those who squawl I think, or trawl for tears.

But go ahead and report my posts EP. I'll report every single one of yours (I think it was 135 in this thread I checked this morning) which are all either abusive/ranting or just blatant trolling. Works both ways :)

It's a rude and short label. Some of us are just a bit gobby and/or sarcastic.

Bit of a difference between those who chat and those who squawl I think, or trawl for tears.

But go ahead and report my posts EP. I'll report every single one of yours (I think it was 135 in this thread I checked this morning) which are all either abusive/ranting or just blatant trolling. Works both ways :)

If individuals on both sides are self proclaimed PVP'ers with reasonable killboards. If no one is going to actually die in the process, being that this is in fact a real game, and not real war or real life.

Then... my question that I invited you to answer was, what is it that they are risking in said fight?

a couple of days ago I was in a coercer and met a 3-man gang

A few weeks ago I spent 5 minutes trying to convince a crow pilot to fight me 1v1 while i was in my claw. I has to say "I'm solo and want to die" before he engaged. After 5 minutes of cross-jumping he finally aggressed me and then his 2 friends (A rapier and a hound) decloak and start ganking me.

That's because you're not fitting for the task at hand,
which is winning the duel.

non-trivial knowledge of fitting Coercers (for example) that may not be elementary to somebody like me (or Gully).

Just pity them and move on. You're learning something new every fight, they're just having fun (nothing wrong with that) but they'll never become better pilots if they only ever engage 3v1.

Next time, you'll kill the crow and warp out, and laugh at them.

Gud fights in low sec...........sure, just make sure you bring a booster alt, cause dam sure the piwate will have one, laughs....good fights my azz.....

back on topic: Until people leave there gangs and either forget about stats or dont have stats to be tracked, most PVP is uneventful and boring due to become a mathematical equation.

Killboard stats depend on how you read them.

For example, K/D ratio and ISK efficiency don't mean anything by themselves, for a single pilot. A few gatecamps and maybe a couple of lucky pods will easily bloat those numbers.

I personally look at:

- Total Kills+Deaths (regardless of K/D ratio) --> experience

- Active systems --> does he just lazily stay in his home system? does he have experience in different parts of space (low/null/wh)?

- Losses --> are the ship/fits interesting, or just unimaginative FOTMs? are they varied or is the guy just flying a single go-to ship? is he fielding some serious ISK or just throwaway T1 frigs? how many and what did it take to kill him?

- Kills --> what kind of stuff is he going up against? how many people were on the kill? is he consistently among top damage (if flying dps) or is he just tagging along for the wh*re?

- Solo activity --> self-explanatory.


TL;DR killboards are fine. Including links on killmails would make them perfect, imo.
In any case, if people are just pvp-ing to bloat K/D or ISK efficiency they're either silly or bad pilots or burnt-out or a combination of all three. Removing KBs won't fix that.