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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
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Posted - 2014.05.31 02:28:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote: Yeah sure. Outside nullsec (from your original response), lowsec has plenty of fighting going on.
I dunno about that. The only place I ever see it is around Hek. Go out toward GW in Metro and there's a whole lot of empty low sec. |

Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1099
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Posted - 2014.05.31 02:33:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote: Yeah sure. Outside nullsec (from your original response), lowsec has plenty of fighting going on.
I dunno about that. The only place I ever see it is around Hek. Go out toward GW in Metro and there's a whole lot of empty low sec.
That's about what I remember as well. Well... that and the carriers being hot dropped on everything under the sun just for the lulz.
Oh and... where exactly are all those empty haulers going? 
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Greg Erata
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.05.31 02:34:00 -
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Is this not the logical conclusion of a sandbox game? Everything in a world like EVE is a calculated risk. Unless the act of engaging in combat (win or lose) is considered reward enough in itself, and let's face it after a while even the most ardent pvp'er tires of simply engaging targets after a while - we want the rush of victory, then there has to be some kind of ulterior motive encouraging the fight. Even then; however, you're just talking about a solo battle, which rarely happens.
So consider the most common scenario. Guy is flying about looking for amusement with some mates, runs into some number of other players. Engagement only happens if the side that's likely to lose can't run or if the odds look even. Mostly the odds don't look even. Some guy lights a cyno, one fleet is clearly an order of magnitude more valuable, one has 2x the logi support, etc. etc.
Ultimately I think the game for most players, even the elite pvp crowd, is to be the winner in any engagement they need to make. So for the sov guys it's grinding up their super count. For the FW folks its stacking logi and taking systems to grow rich and full of fair-weather fleet members. For lowsec independents it's controlling the lucrative L5 hubs. In Wspace it's farming sleepers hard and hiding in POS until a massive eviction fleet comes calling.
TL;DR: I look at EVE like a game of chess (clich+¬ as that may sound) and don't expect the pvp content to flow like an fps. If you want fair fights, they'll be hard to come by. If you want kills, you'll have to out-think your opponent. Slapping them across the face with your glove and calling them to a duel isn't likely to accomplish anything. Infiltrate his corp or circle of friends, rob him, gank him, and post all the tears for our amusement (last bit is optional, but highly recommended). That's how you get your guaranteed fights. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1742
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Posted - 2014.05.31 02:35:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Now if you would be so kind as to actually address the topic, I would be interested in what you have to say. I already did address the topic, right back in my original reply and in a couple of the subsequent ones.
But for simplicity:
My experience is totally opposite to the complaint you have made. There is no "no fight" culture in EvE and it is easy to find fights if you go looking for them.
Get out of highsec, which is where finding fights can sometimes be difficult unless you gank. Lowsec has constant fighting going on in the factional warfare systems. Many pirate Corps and both Galmil and Calmil pilots will engage, even if the odds are only 50:50. When they are close to their home systems, they'll often engage, lose, go reship and get back into the fight. You can fight in anything from frigates to cruisers easily.
Even your old hunting area of HED-GP, in terms of nullsec, has masses of fighting going on because Hero Coalition are there. They are constantly fighting and Brave Newbies will take on anyone, no matter whether they will win or lose.
Where I live in Syndicate is fairly constant for fighting in some of the systems. EZA (Eve-Uni), 6-c, 6E-, MHC and others. Ineluctable are there and will engage anyone (and hotdrop them in the process, which is always fun).
Fleets run logistics, but many don't, though they'll often bring e-war if they don't have logistics.
However solo fights can be found relatively easily and taking fights slightly outnumbered opens up even more fights, especially in low and null.
I have seen nothing to indicate a "no fight" culture in this game. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1742
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Posted - 2014.05.31 02:41:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:I dunno about that. The only place I ever see it is around Hek. Go out toward GW in Metro and there's a whole lot of empty low sec. In your last reply you wrote that you don't even think about lowsec.
So is it safe to assume that you don't know because you don't think about it often and don't fly in lowsec much?
It's hard to tell because this appears to be a forum alt and there isn't much in the way of pvp on your killboard at all, with none since 2010 (though z-killboard seems to be having a bit of a fit at the moment). Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1099
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Posted - 2014.05.31 02:45:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:y
Even your old hunting area of HED-GP, in terms of nullsec, has masses of fighting going on because Hero Coalition are there. They are constantly fighting and Brave Newbies will take on anyone, no matter whether they will win or lose..
Kind of neat, you are the second person in this thread I do not know referring to my old gaming habits. Go figure...
Anyway, you are right. I roamed HED allot and here is what we got. We rammed our ships into the camp on the HED gate whenever it was there. It went two ways, one we got completely creamed by a blob (especially on the weekends) and two we cleared the gate only to be creamed by the response blob.
To avoid the response blob we would roam deeper into Cathe as far as we could go, encountering nothing until we reached local filled with ratters who remained docked. After which, we then contended with the response blob.
Sure, there were fights to be had there but they are following the same pattern. We just flew around until that gigantic blob from hell found us, and the rest of the time we practiced avoiding them in order to get back to high sec.
So if there are now "brave noobs" who will fight anyone whether they win or lose down there, they were not there when I was playing. So excuse me if I do not just take your word for it. But I will go down there and see for myself this weekend.
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1924
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Posted - 2014.05.31 02:51:00 -
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I know Lee from years ago...
Not trustworthy at all. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1742
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Posted - 2014.05.31 02:52:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Anyway, you are right. I roamed HED allot and here is what we got. We rammed our ships into the camp on the HED gate whenever it was there. It went two ways, one we got completely creamed by a blob (especially on the weekends) and two we cleared the gate only to be creamed by the response blob.
To avoid the response blob we would roam deeper into Catch as far as we could go in every direction, encountering nothing until we reached a local or two filled with ratters who remained docked. After which, we then contended with the response blob.
Sure, there were fights to be had there but they are following the same pattern. We just flew around until that gigantic blob from hell found us, and the rest of the time we practiced avoiding them in order to get back to high sec.
So if there are now "brave noobs" who will fight anyone whether they win or lose down there, they were not there when I was playing. So excuse me if I do not just take your word for it. But I will go down there and see for myself this weekend. No Brave Newbies weren't even a Corp when you were playing before.
However, your old experience isn't perhaps the best data to base a judgement on in relation to the current culture of the game. Not all systems or regions are busy. Some a constantly busy.
Flying in the less busy ones doesn't mean there is a culture of "no fights" in EvE. It just means you need to fly in other areas.
Go to GalCal FW systems, especially from Tama to Vlillirier. You can jump into Tama from highsec (the Nourvakaiken gate is often camped, so taking a few extra jumps is often better) and then fight in every system on the route.
Go to Old Man Star, Heydieles and Abune. Lots of fighting to be had.
Go to Ostingele and fly to Melmaniel. Lots of fighting to be had there.
From Melmaniel head to Hevrice and you'll find fighting and then jump across the non-FW systems into Amarr/Min space. You'll find SCUM when you hit the FW systems again and can fight all day long.
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1924
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Posted - 2014.05.31 02:54:00 -
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Oh yeah I forgot this part.
I feel with you. There's not only a "no fight", but also a"no effort" crowd, going out of their way to make sure things are as less hassle as possible and calling it efficient.
Which is actually just boring.
Thanks for this thread. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! |

Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1099
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Posted - 2014.05.31 02:58:00 -
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The systems you are listing are historically cluster****s of semi-blobby to blobby gate camps waiting for something to jump through. I remember Oldman star quite well, the trick was not so much getting your frigate past the camps it was scoring an actual 1v1 at a planet without interference and getting out again before his buddies arrived.
[quote=Scipio Artelius]
Flying in the less busy ones doesn't mean there is a culture of "no fights" in EvE. It just means you need to fly in other areas./quote]
There is your reading comp problem again 
I absolutely did not say there are "no fights" in eve. I am clearly referring to the "No fight" culture where people do not want to pew pew unless the cards are stacked considerably in their favor.
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1925
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Posted - 2014.05.31 03:01:00 -
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Scipio... you don't get the point.
These people are the underdogs compared to the masses.
The broader public is made of cowards and bigmouths. You can find these people literally everywhere. Case in point: Cannibal Kane never runs out of people to wardec, because they don't know who not to mess with. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! |

Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
207
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Posted - 2014.05.31 03:03:00 -
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what am i doing in eve? playing a game built around spaceships with other people. Some of them like me and we get along and do fleets and stuff, some dont like me and they engage me in combat and we go till one flies away in an egg, Admittedly i havent done any null and my low experience has been no more than flying through empty space to a set location. But i havent raged or cried when bad things have happened to my spaceships |

Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
630
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Posted - 2014.05.31 03:04:00 -
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1, Sisi? Really?
2. Excuse me while I leave this here: http://onegoodmove.org/fallacy/hasty.htm http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |

Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1099
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Posted - 2014.05.31 03:07:00 -
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Yes really.
Because I have not played for over a year, there are new mods and ships I know nothing about, i am kind of sorta coming back (but can't get into it) and wish for a quick fix in an attempt to try and restore what I once loved about the game. Your link is also meaningless because at least two people in this thread have commented on my former null sec PVP habits. So I am not simply "sampling a tiny sisi cross section" as you are suggesting. The single referenced event on SISI simply reflects a much larger cross-section spanning years of gameplay on tranq.
I don't suppose you have anything relevant to contribute Mr Leet PVP forum person who would never lower themselves to test server ship destruction?
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Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER CODE.
273
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Posted - 2014.05.31 03:09:00 -
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Here is your cure:
1. Create a gank alt http://www.minerbumping.com/p/blog-page.html
2. Explode ships no matter if they want to fight or not
3. Have fun and even make some ISK while doing so |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1925
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Posted - 2014.05.31 03:10:00 -
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NOobs. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! |

Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1099
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Posted - 2014.05.31 03:12:00 -
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Proposed solution...
Look past the lack luster state of PVP culture in eve by joining a corp that scores stupid easy kills, and irritates the helpless minions that cannot possibly fight back in the process.
Seriously? That is your proposition?
Anyway, troll amongst yourself I am going to sleep. I wonder if this will be a 10 page threadnaugt by morning.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1742
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Posted - 2014.05.31 03:21:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Scipio... you don't get the point. I get his point just fine. I just disagree with it.
In highsec sure. Outside highsec, my experience in game is totally different to what the OP is complaining about.
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
807
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Posted - 2014.05.31 03:28:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:... So if there are now "brave noobs" who will fight anyone whether they win or lose down there, they were not there when I was playing. So excuse me if I do not just take your word at face value. But I will go down there and see for myself this weekend.
Thinks ripardmobile is repairmobile, doesn't know who Brave Newbies are. Has snooty attitude and is not liable to correction. You're out of touch with what is going on. Stop sounding like such a supreme gentleman. I live in NPC null and FW lowsec. Wall to wall fights, wanted or not. The wanting the odds before engaging is called smarts, or good leadership. It requires judgement.
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
515
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Posted - 2014.05.31 03:40:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote: In your last reply you wrote that you don't even think about lowsec.
No, I said I don't think about Faction War.
Scipio Artelius wrote:So is it safe to assume that you don't know because you don't think about it often and don't fly in lowsec much?
Again, trolling requires reading comprehension. I fly in low sec quite a bit. I see FW, not so much. And, no, this is my main. I stopped active PvP a while back because it got boring camping endless stations and gates, dealing with alliance mates that were absolutely untrustworthy and waiting for the next blob to roll around.
So yeah, I just wander around eve, retired. But I do have eyes, and make a complete transit of eve about once every three months, much to the irritation of a wide range of bubble ranchers. |

Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
631
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Posted - 2014.05.31 03:53:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Yes really. Because I have not played for over a year, there are new mods and ships I know nothing about, i am kind of sorta coming back (but can't get into it) and wish for a quick fix in an attempt to try and restore what I once loved about the game. Your link is also meaningless because at least two people in this thread have commented on my former null sec PVP habits. So I am not simply "sampling a tiny sisi cross section" as you are suggesting. The single referenced event on SISI simply reflects a much larger cross-section spanning years of gameplay on tranq. I don't suppose you have anything relevant to contribute Mr Leet PVP forum person who would never lower themselves to test server ship destruction?
Look, I GET that you feel that logging into Sisi and finding someone willing to talk smack but not fight is PROOF that "Eve is still dying". But all I see is a guy who played a lot of Eve, lost, stopped playing, and now is sticking his wittle toe into the kiddy pool to see if it's gotten "better" since they quit. (If you played in null, and wound up so broke you have to play Sisi to pvp, then yes, you lost Eve.)
So how is anything in your thread relevant to people who are succeeding in having a blast with pvp on Tranquility? And who cares about those who can't? Do you not get the irony of someone complaining about how "risk averse" Eve has become while describing their experiences on.... SISI?? http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |

Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
515
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Posted - 2014.05.31 04:03:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote: Look, I GET that you feel that logging into Sisi and finding someone willing to talk smack but not fight is PROOF that "Eve is still dying".
I don't think that;s quite what he's saying. It's more that he's griping about how risk averse some PvP has become, and even in a situation where there was no risk at all, some chickened out and stayed docked anyway.
Which is a legitimate gripe and it';s not terribly unique. There's a reason, after all, people ***** about docking games and station hugging. |

Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
547
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Posted - 2014.05.31 04:07:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Princess Bride wrote: Look, I GET that you feel that logging into Sisi and finding someone willing to talk smack but not fight is PROOF that "Eve is still dying".
I don't think that;s quite what he's saying. It's more that he's griping about how risk averse some PvP has become, and even in a situation where there was no risk at all, some chickened out and stayed docked anyway. Which is a legitimate gripe and it';s not terribly unique. There's a reason, after all, people ***** about docking games and station hugging. Let alone my personal favorite, the afk cloaker.
On Thursdays we take out 20+ thrashers and take fights where we can find them. If the caldari won't fight then we sit outside one of their stations in a system they control in FW and see what happens then. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1742
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Posted - 2014.05.31 04:09:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote: In your last reply you wrote that you don't even think about lowsec.
No, I said I don't think about Faction War. [quote=Scipio Artelius]Again, trolling requires reading comprehension. I fly in low sec quite a bit. I see FW, not so much. And, no, this is my main. I stopped active PvP a while back because it got boring camping endless stations and gates, dealing with alliance mates that were absolutely untrustworthy and waiting for the next blob to roll around. So yeah, I just wander around eve, retired. But I do have eyes, and make a complete transit of eve about once every three months, much to the irritation of a wide range of bubble ranchers. I grant not undocking in the face of overwhelming firepower is sensible. But I've seen a lot of people drip what they are doing and run at even the slightest hint of a possible challenge and stay gone until dead certain they had overwhelming superiority themselves or the threat left. Yep fair enough on FW v lowsec in general.
Just bad teminology, not trolling. If you think I I'm just a troll , go check my post history. It's not what I'm here for.
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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
631
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Posted - 2014.05.31 04:15:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Princess Bride wrote: Look, I GET that you feel that logging into Sisi and finding someone willing to talk smack but not fight is PROOF that "Eve is still dying".
I don't think that;s quite what he's saying. It's more that he's griping about how risk averse some PvP has become, and even in a situation where there was no risk at all, some chickened out and stayed docked anyway. Which is a legitimate gripe and it';s not terribly unique. There's a reason, after all, people ***** about docking games and station hugging. Let alone my personal favorite, the afk cloaker.
*shrug* AFK cloakers only bother farmers, not pvpers.
There are many good ways to find fights on Eve. Trolling local on Sisi is .... probably not in the top 10. Plus, did anyone else notice that this thread is a stealth brag? "BEHOLD! Two guys in local on Sisi FEARED ME! I must run to the forums and start a thread IMMEDIATELY!"
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
515
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Posted - 2014.05.31 04:22:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:
*shrug* AFK cloakers only bother farmers, not pvpers.
There are many good ways to find fights on Eve. Trolling local on Sisi is .... probably not in the top 10. Plus, did anyone else notice that this thread is a stealth brag? "BEHOLD! Two guys in local on Sisi FEARED ME! I must run to the forums and start a thread IMMEDIATELY!"
They bother the PvPers when they have to sit there because someone further up the chain of command thinks they might drop a cyno once the coast is clear and has you sit there to babysit.
The easiest way I've seen (other than follow Solstice around because someone will always eventually get flagged there) is to find out where the chokepoint of the day is and organize it getting cleared out. |

Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
707
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Posted - 2014.05.31 04:30:00 -
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its more of a competitive culture. People don't want to lose unnecessarily and give their enemy more wins.
although some people have a balls deep attitude which is always more fun. |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3075

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Posted - 2014.05.31 04:52:00 -
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Removed some off topic posts. Please keep it on topic and civil. Thank you. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Don Purple
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Posted - 2014.05.31 05:24:00 -
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Bad topic but didnt make my eyes bleed. +1 I am just here to snuggle. |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.31 06:07:00 -
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Never agree to a 1v1 because it won't be a 1v1. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
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