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Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
120
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Posted - 2014.06.03 03:07:00 -
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As mentioned the definition of a true solo player is extraordinarily difficult, if not impossible to achieve, as interaction with other players may occur involuntarily. While one could, in theory, never use the market - by mining ores, and building the ships they use, and utilizing loot drops to fit said ships, or researching/building these things on there own. The fact that another player can, without warning, interact with you (the supposed solo player,) destroys the concept of "true" solo play.
Edit: Also local, mandatory rookie chat when joining, npc corp chat, etc. make lack of interaction with other people further difficult. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
504
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Posted - 2014.06.03 03:17:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:Saisin wrote: --Do not comment or respond about other player's definition, as the point is not to find a unique truth, but to understand all the truths out there.
How does one understand if one is not allowed to ask questions to gain further understanding? DaReaper wasn't asking a question or seeking clarification, he was just rubbishing someone else's opinion, which the OP has specifically asked us to refrain from. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4787
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Posted - 2014.06.03 03:19:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:Saisin wrote: --Do not comment or respond about other player's definition, as the point is not to find a unique truth, but to understand all the truths out there.
How does one understand if one is not allowed to ask questions to gain further understanding? DaReaper wasn't asking a question or seeking clarification, he was just rubbishing someone else's opinion, which the OP has specifically asked us to refrain from. I wasnt being specific about DaReaper's post, you had drawn my attention to a logic-trap in the OP
You just kinda got sucked into it due to my bad quote-editing skills
Soz "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |
Vivec Septim
The Bene Gesserit Sanctuary Pact
33
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Posted - 2014.06.03 03:22:00 -
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Solo-players are lost -- this game definitely doesn't cater to that style very much.
The meat-and-potatoes of this game are the coordinated efforts of many people. Heck, even achieving a level of trust with anyone in this game is a calculated gamble, considering how many within New Eden are scammers. I don't operate in that way but I completely understand the extensive security required for many important operations. |
Jegrey Dozer
Ruatha Holdings
12
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Posted - 2014.06.03 03:24:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote: You are quite silly and I dont like you very much.
Please go away
That's what a serial killer would say. You are already exhibiting solo player characteristics. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
504
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Posted - 2014.06.03 03:28:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:] I wasnt being specific about DaReaper's post, you had drawn my attention to a logic-trap in the OP
You just kinda got sucked into it due to my bad quote-editing skills
Soz Well, in fact, even asking a question would violate the OP's thread rules. He just asks for our definitions, whether or not others understand them and without comment from others.
And as I am myself now taking part in a discussion I shall shut up! |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
178
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Posted - 2014.06.03 03:35:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Yang Aurilen wrote:Solo players are those who live in highsec exclusively and uses only highsec content exclusively. Thats a bear, Carebear if they avoid conflict as well. Solo players by association. Most carebears are those simple afk miners that read a guide of the best isk/hr ratio and haul it via an AP'd indy to jita without ever interacting with anyone save the market. Missioners are the same except they shoot red crosses instead of space rocks. Tell me how many unaware miners and mission runners have you met in highsec who looks lost if you actually interacted with them?
Some just ignore you thinking you you are part of the environment, some get angry for being in an interaction with a real human and spew crap all over local. Some might even shoot you thinking you are an NPC and receive a quick CONCORD and will proceed to biomass himself over a "broken" game.
TL;DR most solo players are carebears. And no solo pvp'ers actually engage with other players. Even CCP said so. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
299
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Posted - 2014.06.03 03:41:00 -
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A solo player, to me at least, is a player who operates independently of others to reach a goal or goals they themselves intend to reach alone, even when such goals compete with others in a group/team/fleet/corp/alliance. That last part is my way of saying that a solo player is still a solo player even when their competition, like wartargets or enemies, are not operating solo.
A carebear is a player who actively avoids competitive roles in player-to-player environments, but may still operate cooperatively with others to achieve goals set by "the group". They can still be solo players, but it doesn't automatically make them so, just as being a solo player doesn't immediately make you a carebear.
In short, solo players are people who specifically avoid cooperative player-to-player interaction but not necessarily competitive interactions, while a carebear avoids competitive interactions but not necessarily cooperative interactions. You can be either, both at the same time, or neither types, since they neither allow nor disallow one another. A PVPer can still be a solo player or part of a major alliance, and a carebear can still be part of a group or someone who works alone, as both types of players are interchangeable types.
Now, I think one grey area concerning the concept of solo players is "when are alts taken into account in regards to the definition?" To me, it simply doesn't. To add to my definition should it be needed, a solo player is still solo regardless of whether they are using one character or several, as long as the PLAYER is still operating on their own.
That's my take, anyways. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3661
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Posted - 2014.06.03 04:29:00 -
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Solo player: PvP braggart with off grid command ship and 1+ neutral logi alts. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2014.06.03 05:02:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:Well, in fact, even asking a question would violate the OP's thread rules. He just asks for our definitions, whether or not others understand them and without comment from others.
Thanks for pointing it out again "surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/2014/05/ok-now-im-betting-man.html |
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Jim Era
8529
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Posted - 2014.06.03 05:31:00 -
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Me WatGäó |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5351
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Posted - 2014.06.03 06:02:00 -
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Solo Player: The hero with ******* the size of watermelons. You have to be an all-star to go it alone against 500k other pilots.
I have nothing but respect for those that take up that challenge.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Dex Lysia
Steampunk Surplus
22
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Posted - 2014.06.03 06:24:00 -
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Jegrey Dozer wrote:If you role play a serial killer, I think I figured out why you're a solo player. = P In my experience serial killers always get super hot blonde girlfriends so that sounds like a good kind of solo to me.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1779
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Posted - 2014.06.03 06:41:00 -
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Dex Lysia wrote:In my experience serial killers always get super hot blonde girlfriends so that sounds like a good kind of solo to me.
Hmm, exactly how much experience with serial killers do you have and should CCP (or the NSA, o/ guys) inform your local police?
Of course, being Dex Lysia you would go to kill someone, but end up letting the, go right? Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Dex Lysia
Steampunk Surplus
22
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Posted - 2014.06.03 06:45:00 -
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I think the word "solo" in "solo players" is very misleading. I reckon there are very few players who don't interact with anyone, ever (excluding the obviously unwelcome highsec ganks etc.). Even the highsec industrialists who constantly fly freighters into Jita during Hulkageddon-type events deal with a small subset of similar industrialists/miners to do their job. Most miners who I find in the only ship in a belt will happily chat for a while if there's a reason.
I fly with and chat to the same 4 people week after week and live in various tiny corps with my alts. I'm pretty sure many people would include me in the "solo player" category even though it is against the literal definition of the term.
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Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
100
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Posted - 2014.06.03 07:40:00 -
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Dominus Tempus wrote:Solo Player: Somebody who doesn't realize that they are playing a multiplayer game. Not that old chestnut again. Multiplayer just means that a lot of players can play at once, in EVE, on the same server and not in shards. It does *not* mean that everyone has to play in groups or gangs.
As for the OP's question: to me being a solo player is all about being independent, owing nothing to anyone. Eve players always say, "Trust no-one" so I don't.
Certainly, I do not make much ISK, do not see areas of the game as they need to be done "en-masse", but that's fine by me. I pay and play for me, no-one else, and at the end of the day, being selfish is what Eve is largely about. |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
170
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Posted - 2014.06.03 08:29:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:
I disagree, a bounty hunter or freedom fighter interacts with other players. In order to be a bounty hunter you have to activly look for bounties, this is player interaction. A pure solo player plays with no one, ignores everyone, and is in npc corps. They don;t activity pvp or participant in anyway with anyone else. I don;t think they tend to have alts as they usually leave by then
There are those who claim that everything is PvP in Eve, so a solo rock chewer is also PvPing according to this definition and would not be very solo?
But this definition always was lacking.
Someone who's very rarely in a fleet with other people.
And I'd say solo-players noticed that they are playing an MMO, they just treat you the same as all the crosses. |
Decado Thellere
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.06.03 08:39:00 -
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Dominus Tempus wrote:Solo Player: Somebody who doesn't realize that they are playing a multiplayer game.
I'm mostly a solo player but I enjoy playing in a world populated by other real people rather than NPCs. I enjoy the risk of random unpredictable behaviour and encounters that would be very difficult to simulate. I enjoy occasionally running into good people that may become friends even if we don't feel the need to play as if joined at the hip. I enjoy running into 'bad' people that make explosions happen on my screen. I enjoy having people to chat to while occasionally doing otherwise boring grindy activities. I even enjoy the fact that my refining/manufacturing/trading alt is interacting with other real people all the time while hardly ever undocking.
I do not enjoy spending 40 minutes of my 90 minute play time waiting for a fleet to form. I do not enjoy letting down fellow fleet members by needing to leave early or never being able to say for certain 'yes, I'll be there' because my available play time is limited and to a certain extent random.
Why do so many people have this preconceived notion that solo play is only for offline games? Just because there are other people in the game we must play in groups all the time? Nonsense. The real world has billions of people but we don't form a party/fleet/raid group for every activity we take part in, we spend much of our life alone, surrounded by other people going through their life solo. Group activities are great and should be enjoyed, but they are not all that life or mmos have to offer.
Edit: with regards to the OP, my definition of a solo players is someone who spends little or none of their time in game taking part in group activities eg fleets. Many activities involve interaction with other players but if these don't involve actively cooperating then they'd still count as solo in my book. |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
354
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Posted - 2014.06.03 09:10:00 -
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Dominus Tempus wrote:Solo Player: Somebody who doesn't realize that they are playing a multiplayer game.
I am a solo player. I would love to join a Corp with others but due to real life issues I cannot guarantee when I am going to be in New Eden next so it's unfair on me joining a player Corp as I won't be pulling my weight.
So, it's either drop Eve or enjoy the solo aspect of the game whilst interacting with others that one meets.
Anyone who thinks a solo player believes that they're not in a MMO is, quite frankly, an idiot. There are a lots of players whom I have met are happy to run solo.
GÇ£No man ought to commit his life into the hands of that Physician, who is ignorant of Astrologic: because he is a Physician of no value.GÇ¥ - Nicholas Culpeper |
Luwc
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
137
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Posted - 2014.06.03 09:38:00 -
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My definition of a solo player requires
> Social anxiety > Offgrid Boosts (neut alt) > Back Up reps or ECM (neut alt) > A cyno with back up > Fraps (only fraps when you win) > Buying plex to afford pimped out fits and slave sets.
- Solo is dead -
^^Does only affect solo elite pvp^^
" let the butthurt replies flow :D http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif |
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
144
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Posted - 2014.06.03 09:46:00 -
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Me! :D
"And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit It never felt so good, I never felt so hid" - Ramona McCandless, Untitled |
Adunh Slavy
1467
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Posted - 2014.06.03 09:50:00 -
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One character, one account, no alts to watch your back. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
54
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Posted - 2014.06.03 10:06:00 -
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I consider myself a solo player because 90% of what I do in EvE, I do alone. No alts, no friends, and little to no interaction with anyone else. I rarely ask others for anything and almost never participate in chat, other than lurking for intel. I'm stealthy. And I slip through low sec, null sec and w-space like a ghost. I like being pursued .
After somewhere around 10 years of doing my best to avoid PvP I've finally decided to add it to my list of things to do. This has forced me to interact with other players to a greater degree than usual, so things may be taking a different turn for me. But once I have learned enough to hold my own I'll probably be hunting alone.
It's not because I hate other players or think EvE is a single player game. I'm just a very introverted person and I approach real life much the same way. I couldn't tell you why I turned out this way or whether it's right or wrong, but I'm content with being alone most of the time.
I think a solo player does interact with other players, but tends to drift off on their own for long periods of time. If you like any of the older ship models (original artwork) better than the redesign of your favorite hull and don't want them to be lost forever, support ship customization and this feature request. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4803
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:59:00 -
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Jegrey Dozer wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: You are quite silly and I dont like you very much.
Please go away
That's what a serial killer would say. You are already exhibiting solo player characteristics.
Never said I wasn't one (either of those things), just wanted to know what the connection you saw was)
http://bit.ly/1x06nDP "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |
Victor Andall
Heleneto Holdings
492
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:10:00 -
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In my case it's someone who doesn't have the time or patience to dedicate to a tightly-run player corporation. I sometimes team up with some IRL friends whenever we happen to be online at the same time and do FW and whatnot, but mostly it's just me. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do? |
Marina Velore
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:47:00 -
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I am very much a solo player and there are many reasons why, among them being:
I don't want to participate in the feudalism that is 0.0.
It requires great risk, for very little gain to invite people to my corp.
I like to explore a lot, so I rarely stay in one place for long, most of this occurs in hostile 0.0 space and I am blue to no one.
I don't want to join a narrowly focused corp that requires you to play their way.
This is supposed to be a sandbox game, and I like to make my own goals and work to achieve them. I would love to join a corp or better yet, build my own, but the risks completely out weigh the rewards. I enjoy playing an MMO solo because I like to live in a dynamic universe with real risks and a functional economy.
-I'm not posting on my main because I am no one and can't be bothered to relog. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18591
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:13:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Yang Aurilen wrote:Solo players are those who live in highsec exclusively and uses only highsec content exclusively. Thats a bear, Carebear if they avoid conflict as well. Avoiding conflict doesn't make you a carebear, whining about other people forcing conflict upon you does.
Nil mortifi sine lucre Never go full Ripard |
Leafar Nightfall
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
127
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:19:00 -
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Some people (trolls?) don't get the difference between solo and autistic player
Playing solo doesn't mean you won't interact with others. For me, it means just running things on your own, either because you don't trust or don't want to rely on others to do your things. Be it PvP, hauling, industry or whatever.
I believe most people that play solo don't have the time to take part in corps or don't have the will to follow someone else's agenda. Speaking for myself, I only took part in a corp once. Although everyone was very helpful I just didn't want to have obligations like flying the corp fits, joining in teamspeak and stuff like that. My everyday life already have enough obligations without me needing to do what I'm told in my limited playing time.
I also like the feeling of being by myself in this huge universe, specially when I go to nullsec. It's like playing tag but with everyone else being the chaser. It's also playing eve on hard |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
358
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:58:00 -
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Leafar Nightfall wrote:Some people (trolls?) don't get the difference between solo and autistic player
Well, speaking, or typing, as someone who is autistic I don't get the connection. And,. as I have said before, I fly solo as it suits my personal lifestyle and gaming style.
As a poster just North of here says it's like a massive game of tag playing solo which is how I like it. It's one person (or two as I play two characters; this manufacturer and now one roamer) and it's good to be independent of everyone else.
GÇ£No man ought to commit his life into the hands of that Physician, who is ignorant of Astrologic: because he is a Physician of no value.GÇ¥ - Nicholas Culpeper |
Leafar Nightfall
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
129
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:07:00 -
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Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Leafar Nightfall wrote:Some people (trolls?) don't get the difference between solo and autistic player Well, speaking, or typing, as someone who is autistic I don't get the connection. And,. as I have said before, I fly solo as it suits my personal lifestyle and gaming style. As a poster just North of here says it's like a massive game of tag playing solo which is how I like it. It's one person (or two as I play two characters; this manufacturer and now one roamer) and it's good to be independent of everyone else.
Sorry if that sounded offensive, I've edited my previous post . What I meant is that people don't see a difference between playing solo and completely isolating from interaction with other players. It is not always the case. I haven't taken part in a fleet for months now, but that doesn't mean that I don't talk to other players in the NPC corp chat, or compliment or ask things to anyone who I traded shots with.
It seems people see a need that every player is socially interacting and creating large scale content for the community, while you can simply play solo and mostly create content for yourself while still affecting the environment around you, even if in a small scale. |
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