sorry but this dont compute.
people have whined for years that only pvp'ers sholud be in plexes, that they dont want people to farm them for lp and now your excuse to nerf missions is "so more people will want to farm them for lp"?
did you think about it throughly?


people should run plexes to "win the war", not to make lp..

so basically you are in fw only for the isks.
why you dont like missions then? from what you're saying they should be better for you than plexing.

I just think that the large amount of lp made from missions effects peoples motivations to plex and gain tiers.

I don't see many FW people mentioning that these missions are still far too profitable and too easy, risk-free bombers or not.

Tiers, in and of themselves, have no impact on warzone control. The one and only reason to push for higher tiers is to increase LP income overall.

Fun fact: You can control every single system in the warzone and still be at Tier 1.

If Tier was directly related to percentage of total systems held, rather than primarily being determined by how many upgrades your side dumps LP into, then I'd say that it had some connection to plexing and warzone fluidity. But it doesn't.

Warzone fluidity is determined by one thing and one thing only: how many folks are willing to push systems to vulnerable and flip them. Farmers don't bash hubs, friends... folks with real ships and real guns do.

I will grant that higher tier motivates more plexing, but those who would plex rather than mission will do so regardless of tier. Same for the reverse. Simple fact is that all else being equal, you get about 2x the LP/hour running missions than running plexes... probably more with the respawning rats these days. You'd have to nerf missions to pay less than plexing to cause a significant shift, and doing so would just release the plague of farmers back into plexes - which would basically undo all the good from the Kronos changes.

I don't see many FW people mentioning that these missions are still far too profitable and too easy, risk-free bombers or not.

I guess this is just one of those horrific broken things like wormhole space that will never get fixed properly, because a bunch of people exploit it and would cry on the forums, which ccp sees as a bad thing.

also the rat AI changes that prevent pvpers from killing mission runners, when is that being fixed? it's absolutely awful. in the extremely rare event that I can find someone stupid enough that their bomber isn't completely pvp immune, I have to warp out in hull because I'm getting trashed by 30 rats.

Awww, you can't catch a mission runner running a FW mission because of rats. How cute. Working as intended.

Rats switching aggro is one of the better things that happened to missions. Now you don't have one guy speed tanking all the aggro, while his alt comes in and kills the mission objective.

In the thread there were some that claimed a SB was slower than a T3. Can I get an explanation on that? I've tried to fit a(any) t3 to be able to 500-550 dps at 70km, warp cloaked at 5.5au/s all before implant and have been coming up short.

Cloaky ham tengu can get a little over 500dps - I suppose you could go faction bcs for a bit more. Not really sure what benefit there is though, it's definitely not quicker overall because you spend much more time warping around.

Mission running is completely orthogonal to the problems facing FW. Totally unrelated.

some guy speed tanking or mwding up to your bomber should draw much less aggro than your bomber, since they are not shooting any rats. it makes no sense the way it is now.

You might think amarr rats wouldn't shoot amarr militia either. But the rats are almost as bad as the players at shooting their own team.

Fit a Grav Cap subsystem - you get 4.9 AU/sec, and better align times than a bomber. Same / better travel time on average.

And yes, Cal / MIn / Amarr missions are still far too easy for the risk / ship investment. The fact that Gallente LP store values are still as high as they are even after us being in Tier 3 for so long and Tier 4 for several days should give a hint at how much less they are run in comparison.

Then make it unrelated. Remove tier bonuses from mission LP payouts.

Or make it totally related. Get rid of all current FW missions and make the agents give plex capture missions.

Right now it benefits from bonuses while contributing nothing to warzone, No sir. If you want to reap the benefits of FW, please come and join the fight with your main, not with your 2 month old SB alt.

You seem to be confused. Tiers have less to do with warzone control than they do with reinforcing systems. As posted above, it is possible to control nearly all systems in the war zone and still be at tier 1.

Tiers are gained by donating to ihubs. Disproportionately, when compared to the effect of capturing systems, which you would know, had you done it. This is usually done by mission runners (and to a lesser extent, plexers) so I would say that the missions are working as intended, tier-wise.

Nice try, though.

You can't get to tier 5 if you only have one system. The amount of lp you have to spend to hit higher tiers decreases as you gain more systems. I think it's misleading to argue there is a disconnect between warzone control and tiers.

I do not really care too much what ccp does with fw missions. But to the extent missions remain a much easier way to get the same lp as plexing then plexing and tiers will be of little interest. On the other hand if they removed missions entirely there would be more interest in plexing and tiers. But you would also likely see the warzone become even more lopsided.

It might be that you can make about 50% of the lp from plexing. But that likely assumes oplexing. When you get to higher tiers its much harder since generally you have fewer systems to offensive plex effeciently.

The economic factors do indeed effect the war. Its not a motivator for everyone, and it motivates some more than others. But it is not correct to think people are "either" in faction war solely for the isk or they are in it solely for some other reason.

Making missions effect system control is just caving in and endorsing fw as pure pve.

I don't see many FW people mentioning that these missions are still far too profitable and too easy, risk-free bombers or not.
and on with tears....