-- Invention now removes one run from the input copy
-- Some special-casing and fuzzing has been done in certain places to make numbers more interesting

For your first point, can I assume that to get a 1 run T2 ship BPC, I now need to use a T1 BPC with 2 runs? Or to get a 9 run T2 BPC, I use a 10 run T1 BPC? If so, what are decryptors for? Is there any point in them?

"Special-casing and fuzzing to make numbers more interesting"
I hope you mean this as a temporary solution and not a permanent one. Industry doesn't run on "interesting numbers". To produce an efficient chain, everything must be known to work out how much it will cost and what materials are required. If these numbers are permanent, I assume they will be in the SDE when it's released? If so, what about the equations surrounding these "fuzzy numbers"?

-- Copy should be 80% of build time

So, If I conduct TE research, should my copy time therefore decrease as well?

- No, invention literally just removes exactly one run from the copy during the invention job. All invention jobs now need one run. This is happening as we want to normalize copy time at 80% of build time; we've adjusted invention and build times so that end-to-end copy-invent-build times remain roughly constant.
- We're not fuzzing dynamically, we've just played with some static numbers to create a bit more variety. IIRC the main one is that larger items take slightly longer than you'd otherwise expect to invent, and smaller items take slightly shorter, so larger ones are more invention-bound and smaller ones more build-bound.

1. If that works how I'm thinking it does, that sounds good. So if I invent off a 10 run T1 BPC, when the invention finishes, I get the T1 BPC back but with 9 runs? That sounds like an excellent midstep towards being able to do batched invention or an invention job for more than 1 run :D
2. Also good. I can understand the need to slightly bend material requirements for smaller/larger things.

Does that mean that, exempting decryptor effects, it is no longer possible to get multi-run T2 BPCs from invention? Currently (Kronos) max-run T1 module BPCs yield 10-run T2 BPCs. If invention only yields 1-run T2 BPCs then there will be *many* more invention jobs in Crius. Am I misunderstanding something?

MDD

All invention jobs will spit out a max-run blueprint. Sorry, should've mentioned that, lots of plates spinning today :)

I used to invent 400 max run BPCs so far for my T2 module production. Do the changes mean I just need to invent BPCs worth 400 runs to get the same results I had before? And, will the datacores get cheaper since it seems that inventions use more now or did I just miss something here?

Can't resize width of Industry panel but can change height. Problem seeing 'End Date' field.
Currently have a job running ~21 days, 8K isk, Outcome RESEARCHED BLUEPRINT +0%. Industry interface should not have started this job.

Questions to do with UI are definitely better off in the Manufacturing thread, I'll ask Ytterbium to rename that one.



I don't follow exactly what you're asking here WRT 400, sorry.

Allright, I'll try to explain it :-)

So far, whenever I wanted to start a new batch of production I copied BPOs until I had 400 BPCs with 300 runs each. I'm inventing them and at the end I'll get somewhere between 160 and 180 T2 BPCs with 10 runs each. And this is where my question starts. At the top you wrote that invention runs now remove a run from the input copy. So, if I use one character with 10 slots for my inventions now, I would just need 10 BPCs with 40 runs each to end up with 160 to 180 T2 BPCs with 10 runs in the end like before?

Allright, I'll try to explain it :-)

So far, whenever I wanted to start a new batch of production I copied BPOs until I had 400 BPCs with 300 runs each. I'm inventing them and at the end I'll get somewhere between 160 and 180 T2 BPCs with 10 runs each. And this is where my question starts. At the top you wrote that invention runs now remove a run from the input copy. So, if I use one character with 10 slots for my inventions now, I would just need 10 BPCs with 40 runs each to end up with 160 to 180 T2 BPCs with 10 runs in the end like before?

IF you are increasing the ME +2 of base invented bpc's and are increasing the materials to compensate for less waste, will you be converting existing t2 bpc's on July22.

And if you increase the materials of existing t2 bpc.s will you alter the ME to match..though I wonder if I am asking a dumb question and it doesn't matter if the end result is the same.

Greyscale, are bpcs that are having their max runs upped getting changed in the patch too?

Aka if the max run before was 5 and gets changed to 10, after patch will they still be 5 or will they get 5 additional runs?

To check if the numbers on Sisi are roughly correct I took my ME 10 Coercer on Sisi and compared it with TQ numbers today.

http://i.imgur.com/AQS0tXl.png

Seems like my ME 10 Coercer consumes more material than an old ME 0 that had 10% waste. :D

Some quick feedback:

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3. Applying a team with bonus to destroyer ME does not change my mineral consumption at all for my Coercer BPO at ME 10. Is there a hard limit at 10% that hasn't been mentioned?

ME/TE Research Times are extremely wrong,