Uhm, the BPO shows the numbers above, BUT the new UI shows the correct amount of consumed materials when taking ME into account. So maybe it is down to "show info" giving old info? :)

(Probably all) T2 Blueprints, original and copy, require the T1 item 2 times. This is about to be adjusted, right?

(and may have been reported elsewhere already?)

Yeah this is a known issue, we will get it fixed shortly.

-- T2 items currently require 2x the T1 item; this is incorrect and will be fixed soon

This might be normal for the test server, so I am not sure it is even an issue or not. All bpo my corp had in research at towers are gone? I know their are no towers on sisi, but I figured those bpo would drop back into corp hangars?

Regards

second screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/k9mtAln.jpg
- all material requirement are roughly 50% higher than live, is this related to the 1.5x change, will it apply to BPO's?
- not all materials are represented, nocxium got left out.

Unable to install job due to the following reasons:
The job cost has changed

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Error.MISMATCH_COST (206204, 4443)

Is there any logic behind the significantly reduced build times on T2 products? Coupled with the higher baseline TE level, and most 10 run blueprints last less than several hours instead of multiple days on the production lines (some, like large ammo last less than a day instead of weeks).

Is anyone else worried about the lowered times leading to massively reduced margins on most products? Part of why much of the T2 market maintains solid margins (unlike their T1 counterparts) is because they take time to build. If you take that time component out of the picture, you're left with a flood of supply against the same demand currently experienced on live.

I am also worried about lowered times leading to massively reduced margins on most modules. It's nice to have someone else make me feel less like a crazy person.

Is there any logic behind the significantly reduced build times on T2 products? Coupled with the higher baseline TE level, and most 10 run blueprints last less than several hours instead of multiple days on the production lines (some, like large ammo last less than a day instead of weeks).

Is anyone else worried about the lowered times leading to massively reduced margins on most products? Part of why much of the T2 market maintains solid margins (unlike their T1 counterparts) is because they take time to build. If you take that time component out of the picture, you're left with a flood of supply against the same demand currently experienced on live.

Most T2 items were kept at roughly the same TTM. Large T2 ammo was apparently not. Do remember to note when looking at other items, that invention+copying time matters just as much as manufacturing time for T2 production.

Unable to install job due to the following reasons:
Insufficient funds to pay job cost
The job cost has changed
The facility tax rates have changed

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Error.ACCOUNT_FUNDS (0.0, 259)
Error.MISMATCH_COST (2877, 235)
Error.MISMATCH_TAX (288, 24)

Question, when does the partly-used BPC get returned? At the commencement of the job or the conclusion? (In other words, can a single 10 run Vexor BPC be used for 10 simultaneous Ishtar invention jobs, or would they need to be end-to-end?)

Copying doesn't seem to work:



Skills are definitely there, funds are also there, I am in the same station as the copy slot.

Mismatch is a known issue and should be fixed with an update today. I am looking into the account funds error. Is this a corporation or personal job? If it is a corp job try changing your default wallet division?

Went to see how the changes impacted existing T2 BPO's and it looks really wrong(only checked with an ishtar)?


first screen shot shows : http://i.imgur.com/FUzC34k.jpg
-TL/newPL is showing greater than 10, build time over 40% higher than live(unless t2 production time across the board are being increased)
- verified above with other T2 BPOS such as Berserker II BPO, its build time is under its copy time, seems like TE is on a 1-20 scale and not 1-10? build times are also higher than live.
-Copy time is not 80% less than build time, is greater than build times.
-max copy's is set to one for ships, intentional limit? all t2 module,ammo and drone BPO's are set to 10.

second screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/k9mtAln.jpg
- all material requirement are roughly 50% higher than live, is this related to the 1.5x change, will it apply to BPO's?
- not all materials are represented, nocxium got left out.

Spun up SISI and tried to invent out of a design lab. I wasn't able to select an output, or none came up. Was using 10mn afterburner bpc, as I had some lieing around. All mats in the appropriate slot, and everything blue up to the end. Might just be user error, but if so, the system is pretty non-intuitive.

Past that, I see that having the actual TTM in front of me confirms my maths on the matter. Module TTM is getting a huge shrink. So while the interface changes seem positive and intuitive, the incentive to actually build modules is probably going to disappear!

I really hope you guys will take another look at what you're doing to the amount of work available globally before finalizing the numbers.

Something like multiplying module demand at market (which shouldn't be affected by changes) by the TTM hours. I really don't think it makes sense for my small production corporation to be able to supply all of the adaptive invul II's used in the entire game without breaking a sweat... I think concerns of a labor shortage aren't going to be very well founded, considering that any shortage of labor will pump up the pay-check for builders and create a natural incentive for more to enter the field.

At the very least, please feel open to liberally revisiting TTM and changing it aggressively as needed. Its my opinion that the TTM stat is going to be the most directly linked to the amount of people who use production in New Eden, and that with the Crius changes you've got it tuned down to 3. Pump that sucker up to 11!

The invention changes are interesting. Less messing around with ridiculous numbers of BPCs is a good thing (I have over 5000 at my invention hub and that only services two characters). Best is the change favoring multiple run ship BPCs.

Question, when does the partly-used BPC get returned? At the commencement of the job or the conclusion? (In other words, can a single 10 run Vexor BPC be used for 10 simultaneous Ishtar invention jobs, or would they need to be end-to-end?)


Secondly, the increased material coefficient of 5/3 for t2 is going to break the market for expensive T2 products (HACs and larger) as badly as the increased material increases broke production of Brutix hulls. The present cost to build an Ishtar is not 150% of baseline materials, it is either 130% and ~1.6 Incognito Accelerants, or 120% and ~3.2 Incognito Process. This is being increased to ~150%, a big jump.

Ishtars will be sorted out fast because demand is so high, but I do not expect we will see other ships buildable for a long time.

The new max research times seem a little over the top.

Example: Abbadon
From ME0 to ME10 it shows 2453 days (about 6! years!). Given i only have Metallurgy 4, i can shove off another 5% it still is way to long for newer players.

Someone who starts manufacturing after crius could never hope to match someone who started before and got their blueprint converted to new ME10. You talked about difficulties with the NPE on Fanfest, please look at this again, or you would basically recreate a new form of T2 blueprints for everyone that started manufacturing before crius. Manufacturing should be decided by proper production lineup, logistics and skill. Not luck with your starting date of playing eve.

Uhm, the BPO shows the numbers above, BUT the new UI shows the correct amount of consumed materials when taking ME into account. So maybe it is down to "show info" giving old info? :)

ME/TE Research Times are extremely wrong, a rank 1 Blueprint currently takes 38 days to fully research, instead of 3. (I also understand what is going wrong, basically you are adding the numbers, both in terms of runs (instead of subtracting them) and in terms of levels (instead of only taking the number for the highest research level), which then produces some extremely big numbers) The research time for ME 0% -> ME 1% or TE 0% -> TE 2% is calculated correctly thoug...