i feel like eve online has been stagnating for a very long time

i have a genuine worry that something like star citizen will come out and just outclass us ng

ok just for people who are incapable of reading

Not going to happen.

if i do anything outside incursions right now in eve im doing it for the joy of it not the money and that's kind of sad

i guess to sum this up i wish more content would start getting delivered into the game

if i do anything outside incursions right now in eve im doing it for the joy of it not the money and that's kind of sad which is why im pretty much not playing right now apart from plexing and keeping my skill queue going.

again not a flame thread im simply asking peoples opinions i love eve i have been playing for years and i will never truly stop playing but i have a genuine worry that something like star citizen will come out and just outclass us and i am sad to say it the way things are going now i feel there is a real possibility of that happening since we appear to get movies of awesome content and that's about it.

i am pretty much sat farming incursions until i have all my skills at max level and all the shiny pvp ships i want before i go to learn

What did capital letters ever do to you?

as for the other guy my point about "if i am doing anything outside of incursions I am doing it for fun" was there is no high sec activity i am aware of that gives more isk per hour than that and it would be nice if the other activity could push something a little closer to it, and please dont reply with "then go to null or lowsec" because the point was incursions are lots of safe easy isk and i just would like to see some new additions to mix them up a bit that is all that i was speaking about

i never stated once that content should be added for the sake of something to do i believe ring mining would have been a nice edition to the game to balance out moon mining I was simply using the walk in station bit as a example of how something was not implemented and i find that with a lot of expansions. I have mined in all areas of eve to and frankly high sec is the most dangerous so i would have to disagree there at least in low and null sec you can see who is going to shoot you in the system. and i i would have to disagree with the fit for tank statement also because outside a skiff there is no barge in the world you are tanking to survive a couple of destroyers with tech 2 guns and in my experience gankers don't gloat until after they have gotten your ship. as for the other guy my point about "if i am doing anything outside of incursions I am doing it for fun" was there is no high sec activity i am aware of that gives more isk per hour than that and it would be nice if the other activity could push something a little closer to it, and please dont reply with "then go to null or lowsec" because the point was incursions are lots of safe easy isk and i just would like to see some new additions to mix them up a bit that is all that i was speaking about

I disgree

How long have you been playing for, if I may ask?

(If its in that text-wall, I couldnt be bothered looking for it, sorry)

"Stagnating"

Stopped there. Every day has been new for me and I have not stopped having fun for over two years now in EvE.

It has, full-stop. +1 for all the right comments in this posting.
I am totally disappointed. Even better now, expansions are gone. Now you will get only some bits. And one day you will hear that EVE Online is about to shut down.

So everything getting overhauled is now stagnation?

And word from the wise: If you plan to write a wall of text, put the essence of what you will elaborate on in the very first few sentences and not just ramble on and expect anyone to read all of it. One of the few useful things I learned in school.

- You believe EVE to be stagnating.
This is because you are doing things that are not dynamic by their very nature. And no... PvE can never be completely dynamic. It's a computer. Computers can be studied, recorded, analyzed, experimented with, and... ultimately... "gamed" and published for all to see.
You can add more "DEV created " content... but then players will devour it over the course of a month and get bored again... necessitating more content being created... beginning a never ending cycle that ultimately results in the PvE system collapsing on itself (see: what has happened to old content in World of Warcraft).

What the DEVs are doing right now is creating and re-purposing "tools" and mechanics so that players can create their own content... with, for, and/or against one another. And this has FAR more longevity.

Then by all means, save the rest of us the time and the drama, and just give me your stuff right now.

and please dont reply with "then go to null or lowsec" because the point was incursions are lots of safe easy isk and i just would like to see some new additions to mix them up a bit that is all that i was speaking about

Ok guys this is not a flame post or anything like that i am simply asking other peoples opinions.
Personally i feel like eve online has been stagnating for a very long time every up coming patch we seem to get
a really cool video and that is about it, i mean walk on stations, walk on planets, opening the market to the dust bunnies
ring mining, i feel like every patch that comes out its holy crap this looks awesome and what we actually get is possibly some new ships and then endless ship balances and ui tweeks. i mean all good stuff all important stuff but its nothing more to do i mean if your pvping thats one thing its all about the kills and the fleets etc but what if your not?

Anyone mining has to choices either hope the nice low or null sec guys wont charge you to much or shoot you or keep hoping 6 dudes in catalysts dont show up to show you why carebearing is bad. Miners need some serious buffing i mean i have mined for a long time myself and unless you fly a skiff and are willing to sacrifice yeild your nothing but a gank target and thats only every a matter of time.
why would you mine with the risk of ganks the effort of selling minerals when you can just train a logi and roll into incursions which are down to such a art form there is hardly point in doing anything else to make money and the changes to the mining barges unless i messed up my maths does nothing at all so id like to see miners get something to defend themselves with against gankers ma-by some deploy able that jams when the barge gets hit or something id like to see ring mining being implemented to break the monopoly on moons since it was supposed to give moon minerals something to make mining engaging and actually worth it.

incursions i would defiantly like to see get mixed up maby some new units added to it or maby something like a tower that shoots back just something that makes it a little more interesting than shoot in the right order collect insane reward repeat mining used to be the nice safe money now its incursions and its a lot more profitable there isn't much to say on that subject as i mentioned its down to a fine art now.

pvp i am by no means one to talk about it i have not done enough of it to have an opinion i am pretty much sat farming incursions until i have all my skills at max level and all the shiny pvp ships i want before i go to learn the only point i would like to suggest on that front is when it comes to station or pos bashing i think it would be fun to let the dust bunnies take it over with you something like rip down the shields and then launch a drop ship in full of dust guys and if yours win they blow up the strontium supply, or allow them to take down poccos or something to make them active in the game but thats just an idea

as for the dust guys they simply need the market opened to us in my opinion, i play dust or at least i used to until i came to realize that even apart from the game being totally unbalanced its impossible to afford equipment ask any dust guy and they will tell you all they ever spend money on is there gun, even my guy if i was to use my best gear i cant die for the next 14 rounds if i want to break even on that expense. now i know the usual argument is "that will destroy the market" but frankly i don't think it will. there have been lots of things in eve that could have broken the market and didnt ice being changed, goonies hunting ice miners, ridiculous prices for moon materials i mean every time there is "market breaking" stuff it balances out in 2-3 weeks and there is no reason it couldn't for dust id certainly play it again if i knew i had orbital backup and someone giving me a fair contract and supplying my gear whats a fortune in dust is chicken feed in eve and it wouldn't be case of one over powering the other because you can only have so many players on a dust side and the smallest corp in eve vs the biggest can still keep that group perfectly geared up.

as for valkrye obviously nothing much to say about that but i kinda hope it becomes a option rather than a stand alone game what i mean to say is ok i can fly my abbadon the way i normally do in eve or i can switch to "valkrye" view when i get into my frigate and go nuts and of course that opens the option to the drop ship thing we were always supposed to have in dust.

i guess to sum this up i wish more content would start getting delivered into the game with more options for pilots i mean if i do anything outside incursions right now in eve im doing it for the joy of it not the money and that's kind of sad which is why im pretty much not playing right now apart from plexing and keeping my skill queue going.

again not a flame thread im simply asking peoples opinions i love eve i have been playing for years and i will never truly stop playing *Snip* Please refrain from discussing other (non-EvE/Dust/Valkyrie) games. ISD Ezwal.
we appear to get movies of awesome content and that's about it.


thanks for reading this looking forward to reading

Personally i feel like eve online has been stagnating for a very long time

Re-balancing should be done on the side of expansions, not be the main delivery. Rubbish.

No, fixing the game is more important than anything else. The ship rebalace has provided more content than any "content expansion".

+1 to this. Jesus features are just more crap that will have to get fixed eventually. Make the game work from the ground up, first last and always.

Fixing old content and reballancing ships is like removeing potholes from a road. The jorney is improved and more people might use the road but the destenation is still the same. Fixes and changes are not new content, new content would be adding a new road that leads to a new destination.

Jesus features attrack new people and keep the game feeling fresh and exciting. PI and Incursions are the most recent examples of jesus features that add new content for many people in eve.

Jesus features attrack new people and keep the game feeling fresh and exciting. PI and Incursions are the most recent examples of jesus features that add new content for many people in eve.

Please, regale me with how many players the game has retained because of Planetary Interaction.

The industrial rebalance in six weeks will add more content that those two expansions combined.

I could ask you to do the same thing. Give me the exact number of players retained by making battleships slightly less crap than they already where. It's a stupid and pointless question.

If you want to do your own reaserch, go an look at the server numbers around expansion releases. Expansions that have no content don't retain players. Failing that go to the wormhole section of the forums and tell all the people there that they don't exist.

No it won't. It will improve existing cotent.

All of our subscription money shouldn't be going towards fixing broken stuff, as that is what CCP should be doing as part of their quality control system.

It's the same with you. You're leaving out the massive backlash over Incarna, followed by the massive player return that occurred when CCP started fixing stuff. You're also leaving out the small, annoying little factoid that subs are still rising. They could be new players, or they could be old ones creating alts - either way, someone likes the game enough to throw more money at it. When you've explained that little anomalous gap in your research, then maybe you'll be on to something.

I'm simply bored with doing the same old stuff over and over again, and doing that stuff even more ("go out and create your own content") won't change that.

All i want is something new and fun to do while i wait for ccp to fix the old parts of the game.

There is right now zero industry in null aside from the building of supercaps.

Every null power is in the process of a total restructuring of their space to create industrial hubs to supply their own forces. The undertaking is massive and will result is sweeping changes across the entire game that will impact everyone. This change is going to provide a massive amount of content to a much bigger number of players.

Ever tried something besides PvE? That'd be my recommendation.

Ever tried not being an idiot that doesn't know what he's talking about?

I have experienced everything in eve barring incursions so don't try and lable me a carebear to support your weak arguments.

Ever tried not being an idiot that doesn't know what he's talking about?

I have experienced everything in eve barring incursions so don't try and lable me a carebear to support your weak arguments.

"carebear" is not about what you do. It's a mindset, it's an attitude.

So...

TL:DR the entire thread;

THe people who enjoy the game vs those who hate it and are "unsubbing" until it "picks up"

Yeah well

Go on

Do it

I double dog dare you

EVE is very much like SNL. Keeps getting renewed long after its prime...just because.

Hahahahahahahahahha xD

Triple dog dare!! Lick the light pole...

I don't lick poles. ;)

mhmmkay. what do you do to them?

and my comments get isd'd....

Polish are stronk

Is this an intended filler, to reach the next page?

You just said you werent keen on Poles

Btw, you always look so much better with hair

Gee thanks! :)
Btw, this is resculpted for a PLEX. (:

Polish are stronk

PvE content is not dynamic, as it's driven by pieces of code.
Players generate PvP content, and that content is unpredictable and challenging.

Why players don't generate PvE content?

PvE content is not dynamic, as it's driven by pieces of code.
Players generate PvP content, and that content is unpredictable and challenging.

The only thing stagnating here is the quality of postings about EVE stagnating.

That one is new.

In my mind at least, mining could benefit from a minigame like hacking in data and relic sites has.

Other game aspects that could use some love are missions and wormhole Sleeper content. Missions have been gamed out for years and are rather shallow when it comes to immersion in the storyline.

If they wasted a few months dev time to "improve" missions, this game's community would have them gamed out again in about two weeks.

And that's the problem with talking about "improving" PvE content. You don't really mean improving, you mean rotate it a little bit because you're bored. And after you get bored with this new one, you will demand it be redone over again. Ad nauseum.

Well, the truth is that shooting red crosses is never going to be anything but shooting red crosses.

i guess to sum this up i wish more content would start getting delivered into the game with more options for pilots i mean if i do anything outside incursions right now in eve im doing it for the joy of it not the money and that's kind of sad which is why im pretty much not playing right now apart from plexing and keeping my skill queue going.

If they wasted a few months dev time to "improve" missions, this game's community would have them gamed out again in about two weeks.

And that's the problem with talking about "improving" PvE content. You don't really mean improving, you mean rotate it a little bit because you're bored. And after you get bored with this new one, you will demand it be redone over again. Ad nauseum.

Well, the truth is that shooting red crosses is never going to be anything but shooting red crosses.

go and do your own reaserch

They could spend a few months to design a procedural system for missions, like a random dungeon generator. So you will only get a general gist and maybe a threat level estimation from the mission description while the exact configuration is unknown and prone to offer a surprise or two.

And while they're at it, they could condense mission rats to be more in line with the ships players are using, albeit at a lowish skill level. And adapt them to the changes of pirate factions. And have them spawn drones when in aggression range. Make it less predictable and imitate player behaviour more.

If they made PvE gameplay something people actually have to think about, the howling from the PvE players would throw the earth off it's axis.

There was quality to the posting here to begin with? It's either been people sympathizing with the OP or people simplying exercising a Neanderthal mindset and insisting that EVE is fine the way it is while making fun of his less than concise thought processes, "everyone +1 my comment because I'm like so super edgy and hardcore and you're so super stupid lol."

the future of eve

Anyone mining has to choices either hope the nice low or null sec guys wont charge you to much or shoot you or keep hoping 6 dudes in catalysts dont show up to show you why carebearing is bad. Miners need some serious buffing

Spell research properly before attempting to come across as intellectually superior. If you'd read what I wrote, like, actually read it, I said, in no uncertain terms, what you said - the outrage was about the addition of a new but unfinished feature at the expense of fixes to existing broken or unfinished features. Don't tell me to do my own "reaserch" [sic] if you can't even read.

As an addendum, doing your own research is pointless without proper analysis. Your vexatious delivery of this 'instruction' parallels similar deliveries by various deniers across the face of the planet - vaccine deniers, heliocentricity deniers, old earth deniers, and science deniers in general - complete with flying spittle and all.

In my experience, telling people to "do their own research" amounts to "don't make me do stuff" - you either don't have, or are too lazy to find, the 'research' that you're telling me to do. Every time someone says it to me, I know I'm talking to someone who wouldn't qualify as a halfwit with twice the brainpower they have, let alone someone who even knows what research actually is.

I see a lot of words here but fail to see your point. You disregarded the entire sentiment of quinns post and instead criticized his spelling... Do you really think that helps your argument?

Nobody is saying that fixes do don't improve the game but some people feel fixes without any real content makes for a boring game. I you feet otherwise, please explain your views more clearly instead of talking nonsense and insulting people.

What more do you want?

Yeah..

Future of Eve

Oops My Bad

They want more themepark content. And they are trying to use the "new player experience" line as a smokescreen to ask for it, the same reason people say "It's for the children" in real life, to make an unreasonable request sound like a reasonable one.

They want more themepark content. And they are trying to use the "new player experience" line as a smokescreen to ask for it, the same reason people say "It's for the children" in real life, to make an unreasonable request sound like a reasonable one.

So it's the players that promise the world at fanfest and fail to deliver... Interesting.

Where is all that content huh CCP?

So it's the players that promise the world at fanfest and fail to deliver... Interesting.

And don't forget this cool stuff: COOL STUFF

Where is all that content huh CCP? (...)

They want more themepark content. And they are trying to use the "new player experience" line as a smokescreen to ask for it, the same reason people say "It's for the children" in real life, to make an unreasonable request sound like a reasonable one.

So it's the players that promise the world at fanfest and fail to deliver... Interesting.

So..

Let me get this right

After a barrage of things that disprove your "nothing is planned, EvE is dying" rant

You cherry pick one thing that wouldn't have actually added anything to the game for at least months if not years?

If at all?

Stop trying to derail this into another boring WiS argument

How about answering any of the points raised about how subs are not haemorraghing and indy and mining is stronger and more popular than its ever been and is getting even more buffs?

For those of you that believe fixes alone are the answer to all the problems, please take a look at the following information. Server numbers are steadily declining and they are almost as low as they were during the summer of rage. The highest they have ever been was between the incursion and incarna releases, so make of that what you will...
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
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Now as for the " barrage of things that disprove your "nothing is planned, EvE is dying" rant" i have honestly missed anything that disproves anything i say.

If you have evidence to prove that fixing broken parts of the game results in more subscriptions and a better game than adding new content, i would be glad to hear it and debate it with you.

If you have evidence to prove that fixing broken parts of the game results in more subscriptions and a better game than adding new content, i would be glad to hear it and debate it with you.

Once again, I like the fact that CCP are fixing parts of the game but that doesn't stop me from wanting new content to give me something new to do.

If you need ccp to add new content to give you new things to do, you're playing the wrong game. 7 years I've played and I'm still finding new things to do, even more so now that CCP is making old useless things new .

I now know for a fact that an Impel can tank the citadel torp from a 10/10 while deploying a jet can of cap boosters (toi keep my dual XLASB machariel dps ship from running out of them while It kills the overseer) NO LOGISTICS SHIP REQUIRED. But the only reason I know that now is because I'm a sandbox PVE player playing a sandbox MMO thus i make my own damn 'content'.

I don't know why we are all arguing. I can accept that you guys are happy with the game but why can't you accept that other people derive fun from different things that you?

That, my dear Doctor, is the nub of the conflict in this kind of thread.

But what do I know? Im just a simple Cardassian tailor

Its when you get abusive to people that dont understand why you are so unhappy with this game that leads to conflict.

If you dont like this game the way it is, why should the rest of us accept your proposed changes when the net result of that in our opinion would make us unhappy?

What is it about EvE that makes people play, but when they find they dont like it, rather than change to a game they do enjoy, they lobby to have the game itself changed?

When was i abusive? What changes did i propose that would result in you being unhappy? If new content makes you unhappy does that mean you are against the "new space" ccp has planned?

I can't speak for everyone but the investment I've put into training my character and the social connections i've made in the game makes me want to stick around inspite of the games faults.

1) I'm not going to point out where you have basically gone out of your way to call people who disagree with you liars, but I sincerely wish that you could have some manners.

Polish are stronk

2) Where did I say new content makes me unhappy. I was specifically talking about instances where changes were demanded that would directly impact the nature of the game. If you would like to propose new content that would not do this, I am sure we would be happy to discuss these with you rationally

why should the rest of us accept your proposed changes when the net result of that in our opinion would make us unhappy?

I agree, and i'm starting to realise the game isn't for me. I play it because i love sci fi and the concept of eve sounded cool but now that i have experienced everything that interests me in EVE, it's become boring. I actually canceled my sub last week so i can take a break for the first time in four years (no, you can't have my stuff) but hopefully i'll have a reason to come back someday.

I don't know why we are all arguing tbh. I can accept that you guys are happy with the game but why can't you accept that other people derive fun from different things that you? For example, EVE pve is mundane and tedious to me to no matter how clever it made me feel that i could use industrial ships to do 10/10 sites, i would never consider it fun new content.

You can't point it out because it didn't happen, and claiming otherwise does infact make you a liar. I have backed up everything i said with facts, while you ignor that and continue to put forward basless arguments and then have the nerve to say i'm the one derailing thwe thread... guess that was on topic to huh?

Speaking to you is like trying to have a conversation with Hodor

I don't know why we are all arguing tbh. I can accept that you guys are happy with the game but why can't you accept that other people derive fun from different things that you?

You can't point it out because it didn't happen, and claiming otherwise does infact make you a liar. I have backed up everything i said with facts, while you ignor that and continue to put forward basless arguments and then have the nerve to say i'm the one derailing thwe thread... guess that was on topic to huh?



Like five minutes ago...


Speaking to you is like trying to have a conversation with Hodor

When was i abusive? What changes did i propose that would result in you being unhappy? If new content makes you unhappy does that mean you are against the "new space" ccp has planned?

I can't speak for everyone but the investment I've put into training my character and the social connections i've made in the game makes me want to stick around inspite of the games faults.

What's this got to do with the thread? Just seems that it's turned into an argument between two people. You talk about derailing the thread, well to get it back on track one of you will have to stop first. As I doubt you'll ever agree.

Like Ramona said, we can accept that some people don't like the game. What is unacceptable is the idea that the game needs to change (or in the words of the unhappy people, "expand") to make the people who don't like it happy (which would screw over those of us who DO like it). We found a game we like and we don't think it's too much to expect others to do the same. Most people actually do which is why so many people quit EVE during the trial period.

And you are the first person to mention derailing.

Stop trying to derail this...

My point is, that the game is not stagnating. Between code being fixed, and new content added by Devs and players, the game has even more possibilities than ever before.

Accepted. And I apologise for digressing

My point is, that the game is not stagnating. Between code being fixed, and new content added by Devs and players, the game has even more possibilities than ever before.

I agree there are issues, no game is perfect, but why uproot the moneytree just as it starts blossoming again simply because its not a juniper bush?

I currently do not like some of the most important aspects of the game and want to see them changed (pretty sure a lot of people want to see Sov changed and FW to a degree) so are we all wrong?

Accepted. And I apologise for digressing

My point is, that the game is not stagnating. Between code being fixed, and new content added by Devs and players, the game has even more possibilities than ever before.

I agree there are issues, no game is perfect, but why uproot the moneytree just as it starts blossoming again simply because its not a juniper bush?

Yes but is the game blossoming. The PCU count would indicate otherwise and it will most likely only get worse as the summer kicks in and people play less to enjoy their holidays and good weather.

Thing is, parts of the game do need to change.

Sov Mechanics - A fundamental part of game that requires a completely rethink. Tweaking it simply will not do.

Faction Warfare - Whilst it is better then it was, it is far from perfect. FW has become for the most part not an place to find small scale PvP but to farm easy isk.

PoS's - Do we really need to go here?

PvE - I actually couldn't care less about PvE in Eve. All PvE sucks ass and that will never change. I will let other people argue about how bad PvE as they will care more then me.

I currently do not like some of the most important aspects of the game and want to see them changed (pretty sure a lot of people want to see Sov changed and FW to a degree) so are we all wrong?

Again, I accept that people can read the tealeaves differently, thats the perogative of people who use a discussion thread after all :)

But given the recent updates, Im just not sure how the signs point to bad.

Wasn't the game perfectly enjoyable (enought to sub to) when there were less people playing 3, 4 or 5 years ago?

The game is a slow burner, and I accept that there will always be doomsayers (hell, if everyone was partying over how awesome it was Id be the FIRST to complain lol), but compared to a year ago, I feel much more optimistic about the content of the game and how its currently progressing.

I dont mind meeting back here in a year and admitting I was wrong if it truns out you, me, sol, jenn and james315 are the only remaing inhabitants lol