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kieron
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Posted - 2006.06.15 21:36:00 -
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With the co-operation of EVE Radio, CCP wants to take the Alliance Championships to the next level, streaming the fights, interviews, news and information straight to your desktop. That's right, we want to be able to televise the Championships live and in real-time to you.
The question we have for the community is this, would you rather pay for a high quality stream of EveTV, or would you rather have a free, low-quality stream of the sights and sounds of the Championships?
You can read more about EveTV in LeMonde's Alliance Tournaments and EveTV blog.
kieron
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Palx
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Posted - 2006.06.15 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Palx on 15/06/2006 21:47:32
omg, looks sweet :o
edit;
Yeh, I agree on free streaming....but tbh, i'd be happy with any tyupe of stream, I remeber what it was like with only the commentary - I don't think even the comnnentators knew what was going on.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.15 21:41:00 -
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Free needs to be available tbh. I for one won't pay.
Chribba might be interested in the video thing, he did the eve-live system a while back. Obviously I can't speak for him though
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Jaruk Talis
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Posted - 2006.06.15 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Jaruk Talis on 15/06/2006 21:49:07
Free stream please! I can't pay for it and I would like to see it as well.
Maybe you can include an option to pay for a high-quality stream? But still offer the low quality please! Or in other words, both, but if you can't do both, go for the free stream!
Ok, I'm rambling on now, "Do you like boobies?" Hahahahaha...
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. -Albert Einstein |
Coug
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Posted - 2006.06.15 21:44:00 -
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I had a great time listening to the Eve-Radio guys last time, and really wish I had planned to record the fights I was involved in to hear what they had to say about our fights 
I would probably pony up the cash for a good stream.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2006.06.15 21:50:00 -
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i think the question is would that fee include the price of archiving each fight in high qualitiy so any 1 who has paid to watch it can DL it again when ever they want.
if so i would consider it but would really be a at the day type spare ash thing.
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Brady
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Posted - 2006.06.15 21:50:00 -
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I love Boobies..... Hurrah for boobies
/emote hands over wallet.
I have no problems in paying for a high quality stream. $8-12 is nothing when you think about it.
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dimensionZ
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Posted - 2006.06.15 21:50:00 -
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I for one would pay for high quality streaming if the content worth it.
But i guess a free "low quality" streaming would be nice aswell, for the people that cant/dont want to pay.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.06.15 21:51:00 -
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Do both, and if I'm in a position too actually watch atleast a couple of hours, I'd go for the payed high quality stream.
When evil and strange get together anything is possible
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Sgt Blade
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Posted - 2006.06.15 21:54:00 -
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id like it free and ready downloadable copy and yes i love boobies 
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Sovy Kurosei
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Posted - 2006.06.15 21:57:00 -
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I'd probably go with the low quality stream or just audio. I can't really justify paying $10 to watch this just for one week. Maybe if there were other perks for laying down that much money I might pay, like, say, a raffle or whatnot. 
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Guard'in
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:01:00 -
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Why not have a high quality video avaliable for download and leave the stream to be low quality. I would rather download and watch some high quality stuff at a later date.
And it depends on how crappy your talking about. There is crappy CNN Pipeline video, then there is crappy cellphone video, then there is crappy frame by frame video. I could live with the first two.
Guard'in
Chief of Staff
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Cocoi
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:03:00 -
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I assume that high quality means practically being able to read the damage information text and low quality being able to see what action is going on and no more. I am all for openness. I would watch a free stream and I think it is good for the 'immersement factor' that it will be free, so people who normally wouldn't watch will.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Juri on 15/06/2006 22:04:03
I pay, but only if you make the price a bit cheaper and then give us extra xplicit content
Gonna be alot of fun this whole event and we can make bets to right? and other stuff. I hope. Cant wait nice BLOG!!!
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Word Wench
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: Word Wench on 15/06/2006 22:05:48
How about options like this:
1. Free audio stream
2. Low-quality video at a small charge (as even low quality vid takes bandwidth which costs money) for say $5 for the entire tournament
3. High-quality video at $25 for the entire tournament
Stream it all into a plug-in built into the browser with a live chat session for those watching/listening.
Just my 2 cents :)
Oh, and GREAT IDEA - I can hardly wait
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Shinnen
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: Shinnen on 15/06/2006 22:09:05
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Would you mind paying a price of around $8-12 to view a high-quality stream for the entire duration of the tournament?
Only if there is an ISK payment option too,
cut it down to $5 or 50m ISK.
Quote:
Would you rather have a low-quality stream for free?
Yes
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Both?
Yes
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Do you like boobies?
Yes do we get to see them on tv also?
The thing is, whatever happens, hours after we will be able to see a FRAPS of the event, so making us pay for stuff wont always work
Shinnen
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Word Wench
Edited by: Word Wench on 15/06/2006 22:05:48
How about options like this:
1. Free audio stream
2. Low-quality video at a small charge (as even low quality vid takes bandwidth which costs money) for say $5 for the entire tournament
3. High-quality video at $25 for the entire tournament
Stream it all into a plug-in built into the browser with a live chat session for those watching/listening.
Just my 2 cents :)
Oh, and GREAT IDEA - I can hardly wait
good idea, but 25dollars. Its not Pay per view Boxing night, but hmm I pay depending on quality, value for the money so to say.
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Shinnen
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:10:00 -
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oh and :
eve event + streaming = major lag
That's why I wont pay for it
Shinnen
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:11:00 -
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both - some people wouldn't mind paying the extra for the good stream, while the people with no money or no access to a CC could watch the poor quality one for free.
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Nee'kita Frist
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:14:00 -
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Edited by: Nee''kita Frist on 15/06/2006 22:16:32
I would say I will pay but I will pay 35 euros tops for any streaming software but that 35 euro tag MUST include ALL fights for viewing, commentary, background, ship details and streaming stats of damage etc etc. (obivously we should not know the loadout until the fight begins)
If it becomes PPV (pay per view) then I will only pay 2-3 euros per match and will need to know who is fighting who etc.
If there is an ISK option I would suggest people who can afford to can buy codes to sell on the forums in exchange for ISK and that should/would be the only option for that.
Free option - should be pretty much a must lets not be dividing the community please at least let them see the fights or maybe with Chibba's permission high quality recordings on Eve files.
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Originally by: Shinnen
oh and :
eve event + streaming = major lag
That's why I wont pay for it
You do realise that the streamining computer will probaly be top of the range then will send it to a server which will then compress and send the stream out via some really crazy streaming method that I no idea would be named.
its not like its gonna be stream from Tranquility direct.
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Xrak
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:15:00 -
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Would it be possible to get a sponsor for the high res version so that the price could be lowered?
Google video ads in between the battles?
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Sovy Kurosei
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Nee'kita Frist
If there is an ISK option I would suggest people who can afford to can buy codes to sell on the forums in exchange for ISK and that should/would be the only option for that.
That is actually a pretty good idea.
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Xrak
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sovy Kurosei
Originally by: Nee'kita Frist
If there is an ISK option I would suggest people who can afford to can buy codes to sell on the forums in exchange for ISK and that should/would be the only option for that.
That is actually a pretty good idea.
It would only work if the people can use the codes to pay to view the event. Otherwise CCP isnt making any money from it, its just taking ISK out of the game. And that wont pay the bandwidth bills.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:21:00 -
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I have no need to watch a fight "live", although I'd love to be able to download footage to analyze afterwards.
And boobies goes without saying.
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Nee'kita Frist
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Nee''kita Frist on 15/06/2006 22:24:19
Originally by: Xrak
It would only work if the people can use the codes to pay to view the event. Otherwise CCP isnt making any money from it, its just taking ISK out of the game. And that wont pay the bandwidth bills.
That was pretty much the point..
"People who can afford to."
To buy the codes and then sell them on the forums for ISK... You know how GTCs work right now? Just a one of "ticket" so to speak for the event.
edit:
I would like to also see Wrangler or someone do a live striptease as a "warmup" for the event itself. Prehaps one member of the dev team for every fight then we can vote on the best stripper.
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Sovy Kurosei
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Xrak
It would only work if the people can use the codes to pay to view the event. Otherwise CCP isnt making any money from it, its just taking ISK out of the game. And that wont pay the bandwidth bills.
Nah, players with money would buy extra codes and sell them on the forums for ISK. CCP still gets its money, just like with game time codes today.
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Xrak
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sovy Kurosei
Originally by: Xrak
It would only work if the people can use the codes to pay to view the event. Otherwise CCP isnt making any money from it, its just taking ISK out of the game. And that wont pay the bandwidth bills.
Nah, players with money would buy extra codes and sell them on the forums for ISK. CCP still gets its money, just like with game time codes today.
Thats what I said. And apparently what neekita said.
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Waragha
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:32:00 -
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YES... To all of it..
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Chribba
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Free needs to be available tbh. I for one won't pay.
Chribba might be interested in the video thing, he did the eve-live system a while back. Obviously I can't speak for him though
I am interested, but have stepped down as a backup alternative to EveTV if they can't pull it off.
And tbh this idea of paying came as a suprise for me and I'm not that happy about it, I don't like it and I am pretty confident that it could be pulled off with high-quality for free using sponsored links if that is the problem.
So, if I have to chose one option I'm afraid it would be the low-quality for free since the idea of paying to view it doesn't really get me hooked.
And finally - "We could bring you a crappy low-quality stream, which would deliver bad picture/sound quality" - imo I think we managed to push out pretty good streams when experimenting with EVE-Live that didn't require 1MiB/s+ streams, but without a doubt the EveTV guys know what they are doing.
Would it be against the EULA if I paid for a high-quality stream which I then re-broadcast for free via my network?
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Splagada
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:50:00 -
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what if we just want the boobies??
serious, both !
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
Would it be against the EULA if I paid for a high-quality stream which I then re-broadcast for free via my network?
IANAL, but that sounds a lot like copyright infringement.
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Vishnej
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Azerrad
How about a free live streaming option, but have high quality versions of each fight available for download via bittorrent. This would keep things free, but would allow for high quality versions to be available without requiring a huge amount of bandwidth.
Just a thought.
Agreed. Bittorrent is the answer to large non-realtime video files.
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Nefera Sen
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Posted - 2006.06.15 23:19:00 -
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I got no more money, but dont want to be left out of yet another part of eve (premium services are bad mkay).
Free please!
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.06.15 23:27:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 15/06/2006 23:27:18
Get sponsors and get us free high Q, or go with low Q stream and high Q dl.
You could save the high quality streaming as premium service for the next tournament, when you might have had some time to think more about how to introduce premium services like that without them making us feel the hurt of actual premium services
Small hint for you devs:
Think the length of february in a non-leap year.
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Marnix
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Posted - 2006.06.15 23:28:00 -
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Well, for what its worth. I think its pretty vital that WHATEVER way you broadcast it, the Shield/Armor/Hull stats are shown for each contestant. I really it might be hard to achieve, and it might mean less 'beauty shots' because of interface showing, but it makes the battles much more exciting to watch.
As for free/premium...Aslong as PayByCash works im a happy bunny.
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Powder
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Posted - 2006.06.15 23:33:00 -
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Id pay for a live high quality stream, but i still feel there should be a low quality stream for those who dont want to pay so they arnt left out.
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.06.15 23:39:00 -
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Free stream.
I would then capture the whole event and encode it at a high biterate and offer it for downloading for a price even... Sounds like a better idea?
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Zytrel
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Posted - 2006.06.15 23:39:00 -
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Another approach: create a quick and dirty "playback-only" client and only transmit the server data. Bandwidth problems gone.
Unrealistic in a reasonble timeframe, i know. ;)
But a nice thing to keep in mind for future contests and recording eve events in general.
regards,
zytrel.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.06.15 23:43:00 -
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BOOBIES AND FREE TV OR BOOBIES ON FREE TV.
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Shimpu
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Posted - 2006.06.15 23:43:00 -
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I vote for both. Also make sure you put up some sample of the high-def stream so people can decide if it's worth the extra money. $ 12 seems a bit much, 8 $ seems ok for me.
Yes I like boobies.
Originally by: Seleene
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Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2006.06.15 23:44:00 -
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Why does it now cost to watch eve now? Whats producing the costs for the stream?
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Fierce Deity
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Posted - 2006.06.16 00:00:00 -
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Would you mind paying a price of around $8-12 to view a high-quality stream for the entire duration of the tournament?
-I would but i'm assuming this will be yet another cc only option (urg, somtimes i think you hate non cc people)
Would you rather have a low-quality stream for free?
-i'd rather a high qual but no cc so i'm stuck with low quality
Both? probably best
Do you like boobies?
-feck yes!! alliance wet t-shirt contest anyone?
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Rask
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Posted - 2006.06.16 00:04:00 -
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$8-12 USD sounds good.
Free sounds better, i would probably pay for the HQ, abd LQ would work.
Boobies on the HQ might make more people pay for it.
Boobies for the Win.
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Kage Getsu
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Posted - 2006.06.16 00:29:00 -
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As much as I love you guys, I wouldn't pay to see the tournament. Mainly because I'm poor enough paying for EVE.
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Powder
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Posted - 2006.06.16 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01
Why does it now cost to watch eve now? Whats producing the costs for the stream?
bandwidth, its not cheap sadily =/
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Mjnari
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Posted - 2006.06.16 00:45:00 -
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I'd say streaming the information would be more useful than streaming video, as that's what people are interested in. Realtime ship shield/armor/structure stats and active EW effects (taken from the server) + Audio would make a pretty nice package as far as I'm concerned.
Then throw a torrent up after everything is over (either for the day or for everything) with high quality video.
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Di Jiensai
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Posted - 2006.06.16 00:51:00 -
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I would like to see both, free lowres and paid HQ.
Although the Receive-only Client version as a video player is a realy good idea for the future.
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2006.06.16 01:42:00 -
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Edited by: Virtuozzo on 16/06/2006 01:43:36
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: HippoKing
Free needs to be available tbh. I for one won't pay.
Chribba might be interested in the video thing, he did the eve-live system a while back. Obviously I can't speak for him though
I am interested, but have stepped down as a backup alternative to EveTV if they can't pull it off.
And tbh this idea of paying came as a suprise for me and I'm not that happy about it, I don't like it and I am pretty confident that it could be pulled off with high-quality for free using sponsored links if that is the problem.
So, if I have to chose one option I'm afraid it would be the low-quality for free since the idea of paying to view it doesn't really get me hooked.
And finally - "We could bring you a crappy low-quality stream, which would deliver bad picture/sound quality" - imo I think we managed to push out pretty good streams when experimenting with EVE-Live that didn't require 1MiB/s+ streams, but without a doubt the EveTV guys know what they are doing.
Would it be against the EULA if I paid for a high-quality stream which I then re-broadcast for free via my network?
We delivered some bloody good quality streams - even if a few of em involved Machariels mining and such ..
The "pay" thing, you're already going to squeeze more out with VOIP (while segregating the player base between "have's" and "have not's") ... common, CCP is better then that.
There is quality in CCP, and there is quality to be found among the customers. I am positive Chribba could implement a setup as he outlined.
I love to hear the answer on the EULA question.
Oh, and if you're going with a charged option ... make sure those without CREDITCARDS can also pay for it ^^ GTC's for instance.
Virtuozzo
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Sazumaan Johnza
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Posted - 2006.06.16 01:57:00 -
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I would wait until high quality downloads are available rather than paying to see it "live".
If I wanted live then I'd just travel there, no?
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Imode
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Posted - 2006.06.16 02:03:00 -
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If CCP was really cool they'd stream it on Concord Billboards.
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2006.06.16 02:19:00 -
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Edited by: Dao 2 on 16/06/2006 02:19:23
ship pimpage! ;p
ship transformation so we can call them transfomers ;p
TEMPEST TRANSFORM! ;p
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the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that
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xeom
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Posted - 2006.06.16 02:35:00 -
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Advertisement.Contact everyone and anyone that will pay to be promoted here.Anything from Nvidia to any hardware manufac,Or mabye even a simple energy drink like bawls.
I think advertisment is key here.
But i would not pay for the high bandwidth solution.
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res0nance
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Posted - 2006.06.16 02:39:00 -
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I don't see why anyone would need to watch it in real time? I live in New Zealand so I'll probably be asleep anyway  .
I vote for the highest quality stream CCP can offer for free, with a super high quality HDTV 500meg download later...
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Kurren
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Posted - 2006.06.16 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Free needs to be available tbh. I for one won't pay.
Chribba might be interested in the video thing, he did the eve-live system a while back. Obviously I can't speak for him though
/signed
Why pay to see something I can just as easily do myself?
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Bozse
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Posted - 2006.06.16 02:40:00 -
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I would say free as im poor, HQ as download would be nice, perhaps Chribba can help out with that.
BOOBIES!!
I mean who doesn't like boobies
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murder one
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Posted - 2006.06.16 02:40:00 -
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Cant do both? I'm interested in free lower quality streaming myself, but I'm wondering if there's enough interest to make the high quality pay per view worth implementing.
And boobies rock.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.16 03:31:00 -
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I <3 boobies.
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Doc Brown
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Posted - 2006.06.16 03:52:00 -
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Edited by: Doc Brown on 16/06/2006 03:53:04
I won't pay extra to see the fights for the following reasons:
1) A video feed isn't the same as seeing the fight from the Eve game and being able to adjust view, look at target, etc.
2) Too much money when I can probably find somebody who taped their fight and put it up for download.
3) Honestly, I have doubts in the ability to deliver a high-rez (800x600 at least) video feed at 30 frames per second.
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Todd Overbeck
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Posted - 2006.06.16 04:09:00 -
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What about peercasting?
http://www.peercast.org/
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Xenex McScott
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Posted - 2006.06.16 04:21:00 -
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My .02 iskies:
1. I would pay $8-12 USD IF that is the amount for the whole week of fights and if that includes access to some sort of downloadable video later so that I could study the tactics for next year (Sun Tzu).
2. Is there anyway to have them be broadcast in some sort of "eve-like" engine or downloadable format that allows you to do some sort of zooming and camera rotation like we can do ingame? This would be awesome, especially if this same tool could be used on the downloadable content (if any were offered later).
3. Any chance you could maybe have a raffle for "Guest DJs" during the fight? Personally I think it would be awesome to have just your regular Eve-players have a chance to maybe have their voices broadcasting a match during the PVP tourney. This could be another way to raise money for it and maybe lower the cost of the connection.
4. Can you have an audio only stream for those of us who have really low speed connections at work or for streaming to an Ipod or things of that nature?
Thanks bunches and this sounds awesome!!!! I cannot wait to see it and see who pwns and who goes home. |
Jon Anser
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Posted - 2006.06.16 04:24:00 -
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-Maby...
-Yes
-Yes free and premium with high quality downloads
-Yes... both kinds
@$%# sig nerfing (origional)
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Eonian
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Posted - 2006.06.16 04:41:00 -
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yea what they all said
do what you want with live transmission but make the high quality videos available for download! that is a must!
"Do you like boobies?"
Everyone loves boobies, only *** man dont! so was this to ask and get the obvious answers or to fish out the *** people for who knows what ccp agenda and reasons
conspiracy theory #11097
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Maxlis
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Posted - 2006.06.16 05:03:00 -
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I think the stream would be a really cool idea. However I can guarantee that I'd end up having to work at least half the live coverage. Some way to download the event footage afterwards would be totally awesome.
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Messerschmitt facility
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Posted - 2006.06.16 05:10:00 -
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And can we please have capable commentators?
Not like in the last championship "And the ship in the left starts shoting at the frigate" or not even knowing the ship type. "The caracal does not have such a good traking does it".
Not to mention so many "There are some explosions there, somebody is taking fire".
I mean please, find somebody that actualy knows how to manuvre the camera and know the game.
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Dufas
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Posted - 2006.06.16 05:16:00 -
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I'd pay for the boobies
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2006.06.16 05:17:00 -
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I like the idea of being able to see the event. But why does it have to be live video?
Why don't CCP create a bunch of "event eyes" characters, and let people login into them to see the action? Have those characters be controlled by CCP people, but send all data to player as tho his character was there. Players could chat and control camera position/zoom as usual, but can't control movement of the "eye" ship.
If you do something like that, anyone could see what's going on at no extra cost of bandwidth
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2006.06.16 05:21:00 -
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why do we have to pay for everything now? :( just use the eve china money ffs...
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BoinKlasik
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Posted - 2006.06.16 05:38:00 -
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I saw the word boobies, im for it!
*doh, I broke my edited sig :/* *cries*
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Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron
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Skawl
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Posted - 2006.06.16 06:53:00 -
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Quote:
Would you mind paying a price of around $8-12 to view a high-quality stream for the entire duration of the tournament?
No chance, it simply doesn't mean that much to me.
Quote:
Would you rather have a low-quality stream for free?
Yep, I might drop in and watch some if free
Quote:
Both?
Sounds like the best option but I wonder how many people would actually pay for the high quality. A high qual torrent available after the even might be better as someone else suggests.
Quote:
Do you like boobies?
Hell yeah!
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Brastagi
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Posted - 2006.06.16 06:54:00 -
[70]
Both video option is very good to me. And make them downloadable.
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Punktious
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Posted - 2006.06.16 06:59:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Punktious on 16/06/2006 07:00:13
High quality stream.. yes sir.
I hate to watch sports on any media. But this this I'd love to throw $$ at.
Will there be eve-online cheerleaders with "booobies" at the show????
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Smagd
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Posted - 2006.06.16 07:22:00 -
[72]
All the broadcasts so far I wasn't able to watch or listen to live  so I'm fairly certain I won't be able to watch the Tournament live this time either.
I did immensely enjoy listening to some of those very good commentators from EVE radio, really, trying to figure what's going on from a third person point of view, very good work.
Oh and some of those first-person point of view vids rocked.
So would I pay up for good quality live feeds? If I thought I could meet the schedule, probably yes, but since I doubt that's gonna happen, I'll have to vote "no".
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DanMck
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Posted - 2006.06.16 07:23:00 -
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Edited by: DanMck on 16/06/2006 07:24:08
i like boobies
free low quality stream for the poor
$8 high quality stream for the rich
downloadable high quality avi with sound through bit torrent for all
boobies
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turnschuh
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Posted - 2006.06.16 07:39:00 -
[74]
Edited by: turnschuh on 16/06/2006 07:39:17
If Im able to pay, eg. via paypal or GTC I would pay for the service but if it is limited to Creditcard, I just cant :(
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Glassback
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Posted - 2006.06.16 08:01:00 -
[75]
Why doesnt CCP pay for it? Surley the posotive press youll get back will be worth it?
G.
I've got an idea--an idea so smart that my head would explode if I even began to know what I'm talking about
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Hehulk
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Posted - 2006.06.16 08:03:00 -
[76]
I'd quite happily pay the extra for a high quality stream. Not being able to watch the last tournament made me sad
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Arngorf
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Posted - 2006.06.16 08:17:00 -
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boobies = mmm
high quality stream = mmm
high cuality stream at a price = hmm okay
low quality stream... the abillity to use that is allmost needed tbh... I know a couple that cant or wont pay...
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Lori Carlyle
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Posted - 2006.06.16 08:32:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Lori Carlyle on 16/06/2006 08:33:10
We pay to play the game, OK Good game.
You want us to pay for Voice Comms when there are free versions out there, and from the sound of it much better then what your offering.
And now....
Pay per view... this i'm 1/2 supporting, yes i'll pay to watch it BUT there has to be more to it then just higher detail in the video. free in game goodies or a discount in the EVE Store?
EDIT: and who the hell don't like BOOBIES!!!!!!!!!!
PINK PINK PINK PINK PINK ERISGREEN
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Gorgons
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Posted - 2006.06.16 08:43:00 -
[79]
High quality streaming 4tw, where do I pay???
And high quality cheerleaders would be much appreciated. I would love to see some minmatar chicks with duct tape bikini  .. kthx
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Lori Carlyle
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Posted - 2006.06.16 08:45:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Gorgons
High quality streaming 4tw, where do I pay???
And high quality cheerleaders would be much appreciated. I would love to see some minmatar chicks with duct tape bikini .. kthx
AMEN TO THAT
Duct tape bikini !!!!!! This i would pay money for...
PINK PINK PINK PINK PINK ERISGREEN
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Zarch AlDain
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Posted - 2006.06.16 08:47:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Azerrad
How about a free live streaming option, but have high quality versions of each fight available for download via bittorrent. This would keep things free, but would allow for high quality versions to be available without requiring a huge amount of bandwidth.
Just a thought.
I was going to suggest the same thing but you beat me too it.
Stream it out in low quality and then upload a high quality bit-torrent for download later.
That solves all the timezone, bandwidth, and cost issues. :)
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The Blackwater Brigade
Huzzah Federation
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Arkavan
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Posted - 2006.06.16 09:01:00 -
[82]
high quality and edited videos for download after the event would be best from my point of view. i don¦t want to pay money for live streams and it is anyway unlikely that my volume-limited internet connection could bear the additional traffic
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Ozzie Asrail
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Posted - 2006.06.16 09:29:00 -
[83]
I wouldn't pay $8-$12 for a high quality stream, seems alot. $3-$5 wold be my max.
Med quality free stream with some sponser links and high quality torrent downloads would be the perfect compromise imho.
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Progeny Soames
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Posted - 2006.06.16 09:38:00 -
[84]
Might be interested in paying if production qualities were good.
I.e. not just a dodgy cam trying to keeping up with the action, but well framed shots, presenting a variety of information and angles with informative and intelligent commentary.
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Pantheon Lea
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Posted - 2006.06.16 09:39:00 -
[85]
A high quallity stream with eve related boobies.
...i would pay anything, it's priceless.
Pantheon Lea
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Bartholomeus Crane
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Posted - 2006.06.16 10:32:00 -
[86]
1. I wouldn't pay for the high quality video stream, I've never found I got my money's worth for these kinds of things.
2. I like boobies. Especially the blue footed ones.
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.06.16 10:55:00 -
[87]
Is there no way to use the eve-client to view matches, (think HLTV), that way the quality would be perfect for all, and cheap!
Maybe not for this tournament, but future events?
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2George
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:14:00 -
[88]
I'd also prefer free streaming (whatever the quality is)
And yes i like boobies too :) although i like nice bums (asses) much better, but good boobies are also cool. oh wait this isn't the post about boobies? Or is it :P
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:25:00 -
[89]
I'd pay for it with ISK ... but CCP does not want these because they can make their own by clicking a button (how is THAT for unfair ...).
Hence, in no particular order:
- I second the "free stream" option.
- I second the "better quality by bittorrent, still free" option
- I second boobies.
"At least freelancer keeps the physics realistic."
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Raneru
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:26:00 -
[90]
Personally i'd watch the earlier rounds on the low quality stream. Then if the commentary,interviews,etc were good then I would pay to see the later rounds in high quality.
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:29:00 -
[91]
Originally by: turnschuh
Edited by: turnschuh on 16/06/2006 07:39:17
If Im able to pay, eg. via paypal or GTC I would pay for the service but if it is limited to Creditcard, I just cant :(
If I'd pay (which I wouldn't) I'd only pay if its NOT involving Paypal. Hate Paypal. Can't stand them. Death to Paypal. WILL SOMEONE POD HMS PayPal already??
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Ackoogin
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:42:00 -
[92]
I would certainly be willing to pay for a high quality stream, although making available for free also as a low quality stream would be ideal.
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Julia Reave
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:47:00 -
[93]
Again the idea of extra charge for Eve content pops up (remember VoIP?)...this time we're asked at least...I don't like it...I stick to what I said earlier: Deliver all Eve content for the subscribtion fee we're already paying or (if really necessary) raise the fee for all! Everything else I consider not an option!
And about the boobies? Well, I do like boobies, but I fail to see the relevance of the question? Is it supposed to be funny? Is there something I missed? Me being a female, questions like this and the corresponding answers always leave a bad taste in my mouth...and no, it's not prudery or smth along these lines, I can have perfect fun with sexual content, but I feel it's misplaced again (just like the "h4wt chicks" from an earlier devblog)...
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Chewan Mesa
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:50:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Beringe
I have no need to watch a fight "live", although I'd love to be able to download footage to analyze afterwards.
And boobies goes without saying.
QFT.
I am fine downloading the frapsed stuff as well, and being able to watch it a few times, so if you would offer a database of all the fights, that'd be handy.
Imho we dont need a live broadcast.
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TheMantisCH
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Posted - 2006.06.16 12:26:00 -
[95]
Quote:
we already have a feature that does almost same thing: "Look At". Right now, you can only choose to Look At ships 150~ km from you. But CCP could easily alter it so you could "Look At" special "eyes" characters monitoring events many jumps away
Excellent idea imo.
If not doable i vote for a LQ stream with high quality download, i would pay for a high quality stream but i dont see the point when somebody would just make it available for download at a later point anyway.
Mantis
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.06.16 12:27:00 -
[96]
Edited by: Ath Amon on 16/06/2006 12:30:17
for me the free low-quality option will be the best, at least for this year
maybe will be nice to be able to download later the best matches in high quality as for normal videos.
a crazy idea if you plan to create a "real" eve-tv, maybe you can use the basic engine to recreate the images instead of streaming a video..
when voice will be integrated to the game basically you have averything to create an ingame "video client" that you can use to "stream" these events but also as a report for normal ingame events.
eg a battle ensure between angels and blood raiders, instead of the usual text news you can save the battle in "eve-format" (actual game data) and then stream it for a visual report with voice comments.
ok quite a crazy idea but it can be interesting not many bandwith problems and ingame video and audio quality.
ah just saw that i'm not the only crazy one a similar idea was alredy proposed :P
and yup i like boobies 
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John McCreedy
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Posted - 2006.06.16 12:34:00 -
[97]
Would I pay $8-$12 for a High quality Video Stream?
That depends.
What exactly are we talking about here? Viewing a bunch of commentators looking at a screen talking about the tourney?
or
Watching the action like you'd be watching the World Cup on T.V. with high quality Video and Sound?
It's not really explained in the blog.
If the foremer, then not on your nelly. If the latter then hell yeah.
Make a Difference
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Caethes Adain
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Posted - 2006.06.16 12:39:00 -
[98]
I'm too strapped for cash to pay for a payed stream, also their is always the ability to pay. Don't have paypal or credit card so i'd be borked even if I could afford it.
Free stream is a must
Bobbies, love 'em....can we have boobies streemed too or will I have to go to one of those rude sites?
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2006.06.16 13:10:00 -
[99]
With the short time combat takes in this game...I would'nt pay nothing to see it. Waste of funds, I could use for somthing more entertaining...like an ant farm....
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.06.16 13:23:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Flyyn
With the short time combat takes in this game...I would'nt pay nothing to see it. Waste of funds, I could use for somthing more entertaining...like an ant farm....
I seem to remmber last tourny's final taking about half an hour, for a 3v3... Might be wrong tho, might have actually only been 20 minutes or so.
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Mrmuttley
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Posted - 2006.06.16 14:06:00 -
[101]
Low quality and free = good
High quality and paid for = good especially if I can DL the high quality vid after the event
I love boobies
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Eve is not supposed to be fair
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Hohenheim OfLight
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Posted - 2006.06.16 14:16:00 -
[102]
Free, I think only a very very small hardcore will pay for soemthing like that.
better to make the vids avaible as torrents afterwards than to charge.
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Natasha Kerensky
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Posted - 2006.06.16 14:49:00 -
[103]
I WILL PAY FOR TEH STREAM
AND I LOVE BOOBIES
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Deadeye Dave
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Posted - 2006.06.16 15:25:00 -
[104]
I would rather have low-quality stream for free but it would be good if you offered both.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2006.06.16 15:29:00 -
[105]
How do you plan on video stream. If its the standard camera view we have no thank you.
I want a different view from a third party who knows everything about the combat setups. I need commentary from a veteran who was in an alliance tournaments in the past. I want indepth history of the Alliances/players competing.
I want a historical submition from each Alliance. Thier logo included. The background of thier pilots.
Make this a real event not some false event like the elections.
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Harlequinn
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Posted - 2006.06.16 16:22:00 -
[106]
I'd Pay!
I'd have a few friends over, pop it on the widescreen monitor and ***** open a few beers.
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BlackHole Bob
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Posted - 2006.06.16 16:32:00 -
[107]
Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 16/06/2006 16:32:56
I have no interest in spending real life cash when i can play the game...
pay to watch a game??.....no
zero interest here....
ill just come to the event, fraps it, or even flat out capture it in high ress...and load it to the web...for all to see...or watch it over and over myself...
most likely would not really be interested in paying for anything of this nature..
free sure...who wouldn't watch a clip or two?..but to pay for it??.....no way...
oh and i got the money and credit cards that were borught up as the poor mans issue...
this just warrants no cash from my wallet....as I can PLAY eve...not just watch an 0.0 battle with alliance politics smeared in...
smells of cheap shot revenue probing....
Blackhole Bob
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Lanu
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Posted - 2006.06.16 16:44:00 -
[108]
Free - low quality stream
And high quality via bittorrent ( in co-op with Chribba of eve-files? )
Would be awesome for me
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Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2006.06.16 17:35:00 -
[109]
Wow, nostalgia for my Shoutcast days.
Oh, and LeMonde isn't exactly correct in saying that this is an entirely new deal. Take a look at the Team Sportscast Network, or Radio ITG, both of which have done live tournament coverage (via audio and video) at events such as the CPL. Of course, the Cyberathlete Professional League isn't exactly a developer, but they are a "gaming company." So, first time a game developer has directly helped out with the stream, yeah probably.
I hope CCP and EVE Radio the best, and I'd opt for both options if possible - a high bandwidth and low bandwidth version, if it can be done (should be easy with relays).
Learn what it means to be Caldari - www.omertasyndicate.com |
Trevedian
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Posted - 2006.06.16 18:12:00 -
[110]
I would like too see the fights but i'm too cheap to pay... How about advertisers sponsoring the feed with banners?
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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RedClaws
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Posted - 2006.06.16 19:15:00 -
[111]
Edited by: RedClaws on 16/06/2006 19:16:36
I really like these "Eve Recording" proposals.
Would it be possible to "record" the packages the game recieves/transmits into some kind of replay file?
That replay file (when loaded) would "inject" the packages into some kind of "View-only Eve Client".
Would be handy to "record" pvp fights and take a look at them afterwards while still being able to turn the camera and such.
Ofcourse you wouldn't get the data that wasn't recieved like hostile ship damages (the ships you didn't lock) but it would be a nice start.
Would any dev like to comment on this? I heard a long time ago you guys were throwing this idea around.
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.06.16 19:32:00 -
[112]
I think the most important question here, is who's boobies is LeMonde referring to?
answer plskthx.
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StinkFinger
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Posted - 2006.06.16 19:36:00 -
[113]
Can we use game time cards to pay for the stream? :)
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.06.16 19:46:00 -
[114]
Pay for it.. nahh...
Spose judging by most of the replies in the thread thou, with a fascination about female body parts....
Most of those guys probaly 'would' pay for it
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Kraven Kor
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Posted - 2006.06.16 19:58:00 -
[115]
Best thing would be a free stream, and then a premium stream or download or something available for those interested. I might pay, but then, the championships being alliance only kinda ticks me off so meh.
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DJ Xod
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Posted - 2006.06.16 20:20:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Messerschmitt facility
And can we please have capable commentators?
Not like in the last championship "And the ship in the left starts shoting at the frigate" or not even knowing the ship type. "The caracal does not have such a good traking does it".
Not to mention so many "There are some explosions there, somebody is taking fire".
I mean please, find somebody that actualy knows how to manuvre the camera and know the game.
You try commentating visually from over 100K out with no additional information feed. I'm sure you could do a bang up job
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.06.16 21:10:00 -
[117]
how about low quality crappy stream "live" and then use the torrent system (as it was originally designed for) to distribute the large files without blowing úúúúú on bandwidth? let the community share it for you!
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2006.06.16 21:16:00 -
[118]
Whatever happened to corporate events? I know for a fact that these things have cost us some 50% of our veterans, them wanting to joust in the tournament but being unable since we're not with the mob scene.
Remind me about The Maze.
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Spei Prodetor
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Posted - 2006.06.16 22:10:00 -
[119]
personally i think both options would be great... both free and charged that way those who want to watch who cant pay can and those who can pay will =)
And yes i like boobies =)
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votrian alpha
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Posted - 2006.06.16 22:17:00 -
[120]
Great idea! A good quality free stream would be nice but I would pay a premium for a high-quality stream...but it would need to be special too. Probably part with no more than $5 per session. Cheap I know but I pay for EVE and don't want to pay for more.
Or one could make MPEGs and sell them for say $5 a pop and distribute it using BitTorrent.
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Crag naCron
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Posted - 2006.06.16 22:29:00 -
[121]
I wouldn't pay for a high quality stream, I'd only watch if it was free. A day without boobies is like a day without sunshine. (That's why the Norse went a-viking; for the sun and boobs.)
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Tipz NexAstrum
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Posted - 2006.06.16 22:50:00 -
[122]
No, I will not pay for a stream or video. Unless the stream has ship stats I don't see the reason to even watch it live. It's like DJ Xod said, good luck trying to figure out what's going on at 100km.
Tipz NexAstrum
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Partz ofArtz
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Posted - 2006.06.16 23:28:00 -
[123]
I personally would prefer a lower bandwidth free live version.
Then make the higher quality version/editing with appropriate DJ/Eve-Radio commentary in it available for download via bitorrent or something similiar. Then ccp wouldn't have to pay quite as much for the bandwidth all us that want it could get it.
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danneh
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Posted - 2006.06.17 01:00:00 -
[124]
Getting first person view whould be best tbh >_>
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Sukar
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Posted - 2006.06.17 02:20:00 -
[125]
Personally I'd like to see the high quality stream, but since I probably won't be able to be available to watch every day of the tournament, if I paid I would at least want to be able to download the video to watch at my leisure.
And either way I vote for boobies.
Sukar
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DJ Xod
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Posted - 2006.06.17 03:35:00 -
[126]
Edited by: DJ Xod on 17/06/2006 03:35:11
Originally by: Tipz NexAstrum
No, I will not pay for a stream or video. Unless the stream has ship stats I don't see the reason to even watch it live. It's like DJ Xod said, good luck trying to figure out what's going on at 100km.
Tipz NexAstrum
I can assure you that this year will be much different this year based upon what I know so far.
I was just stating what the two DJ's had to work with last year. Many people didn't realize it, but that is the honest truth, so there was a lot of guesswork on their part. You definitely can't fault them for the amount of time they spent broadcasting, their enthusiasm, and not to mention Eve Radio's generosity in handling 1400 simultaneous connections for FREE. I love how people take that for granted.
I can't say what the right thing to do here is whether to slap a fee on it or not. What people are failing to see is the immense bandwidth requirements as a whole. They need to stop looking at things on their own individual feeds. When you start shoveling half a gig to a whole gig every second it's pricey and it's also clear that CCP needs to weigh the options to bring in 3rd party sponsors. That part is legal mumbojumbo and to be left to the suits to decide.
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Falconius Karde
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Posted - 2006.06.17 04:48:00 -
[127]
Edited by: Falconius Karde on 17/06/2006 04:52:28
Edited by: Falconius Karde on 17/06/2006 04:50:35
Originally by: Chribba
And tbh this idea of paying came as a suprise for me and I'm not that happy about it, I don't like it and I am pretty confident that it could be pulled off with high-quality for free using sponsored links if that is the problem.
Now there's an idea. Remember how the issue 1 EON ads were paid for with real world cash? You could investigate selling advertising during the event to eve corps for cash to subsidise the links. History indicates that some would take you up on it.
EDIT: As for the original question, no I probably wouldn't pay for the high quality link, but I do understand the justification for it. And honestly, who doesn't like boobies in at least some sense?
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Oran Sound
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Posted - 2006.06.17 05:11:00 -
[128]
Just please don't stream the video using Realplayer :(. I'd be kind of interested on how you guys plan on streaming this to us. This sounds like a really cool idea and I'm definitely looking forward to watching it. Too bad CCP can't stream to us over Internet2 :p.
I'd be willing to pay for a HQ stream.
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BoinKlasik
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Posted - 2006.06.17 06:23:00 -
[129]
Originally by: 2George
oh wait this isn't the post about boobies? Or is it :P
hi mom, im in a boobies thread!
*doh, I broke my edited sig :/* *cries*
this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris
Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron
Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler
The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
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Samirol
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Posted - 2006.06.17 08:50:00 -
[130]
i would prefer a bad stream for free. and yes. i love a huge pair of boobies
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Thetis
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Posted - 2006.06.17 09:57:00 -
[131]
I think the best idea, is a free stream, of whatever quality you can managage, but then to release the fights after the tournament, over Bittorrent, in Hi-Res Glory
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Illyna
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Posted - 2006.06.17 12:05:00 -
[132]
Edited by: Illyna on 17/06/2006 12:05:27
Interesting
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Xordus
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Posted - 2006.06.17 14:43:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Xordus on 17/06/2006 14:43:17
double post......
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Xordus
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Posted - 2006.06.17 14:43:00 -
[134]
I personally won't pay for a high-res stream. No matter what is decided, please make a free version available. Hopefully it won't look too crappy...
Xordus
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Denrace
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Posted - 2006.06.17 15:33:00 -
[135]
Some of us dont have credit cards, how are we supposed to pay?
Low-quality free stream would be my choice.
make the last fights, or the odd highlights of the competition be free high-quality.
Den
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Marie Sklodowska
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Posted - 2006.06.17 19:27:00 -
[136]
This event is supposed to be an EVE community event offered to us. A fee charged for viewing or getting updates on the event is not community oriented, but feels like something you guys decided to try to get more money with.
I'm for the free stream, or Chribba's rebroadcast. If it all falls through, the last event I was glued to the forums for the play by play broadcast posts. Even though I had to read about it, that guy did a damn good job. He better be allowed to commentate this time again!!!
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Niccolado Starwalker
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Posted - 2006.06.17 20:38:00 -
[137]
Originally by: kieron
With the co-operation of EVE Radio, CCP wants to take the Alliance Championships to the next level, streaming the fights, interviews, news and information straight to your desktop. That's right, we want to be able to televise the Championships live and in real-time to you.
The question we have for the community is this, would you rather pay for a high quality stream of EveTV, or would you rather have a free, low-quality stream of the sights and sounds of the Championships?
You can read more about EveTV in LeMonde's Alliance Tournaments and EveTV blog.
Kieron. Give me a account number, and I will gladly give a little cash to support EVE/CCP and a high band with line for this turnament!
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Oran Sound
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Posted - 2006.06.18 00:35:00 -
[138]
It doesn't sound like they are trying to make cash off of this. The bandwidth usage for this would be in addition to what we pay for in our subscription fees. I can understand them trying to re-coup some of it if they decided to broadcast in High Quality.
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Stins
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Posted - 2006.06.18 16:50:00 -
[139]
I will probably pay for a HQ stream, because the low quality free stream will be VERY LOW quality I'm affraid.
So, I vote for both :)
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Cozmo I
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Posted - 2006.06.18 23:34:00 -
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If bandwidth cost is the problem (which seems to be the argument),
redestributable downloads ftw.
live would be great but not necessary, hand out the file to the community to redestribute, put it on P2P networks, whatever.
your main server doesn't have to have serious bandwidth if it's allowed to redestribute.
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gryf
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Posted - 2006.06.19 02:50:00 -
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boobies ? umm yeah.i would/will pay 8/12 us to watch the "good" stream for sure. boobies yeah i like boobies. im kinda hott just having you talk to me that way. i knows you were talkin to me.
im an alt but a main alt does that count my owner says yeah charge me card
is there going to be boobies? i likey boobies
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voodoo
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Posted - 2006.06.19 02:54:00 -
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I say yeah man sure ill pay 8/12 us for a good stream boobies umm yeah i likey boobies
boobies emm emm good charge me card sign me up.
did i say i likey boobies yeah i'd pay
come back come back
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2006.06.19 08:00:00 -
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The idea is very interesting and most welcome. The implementation, however, troublesome.
There are a few reasons why people are reluctant to pay:
ò They don't know if they are able to view a live broadcast much (or at all). The timing is inconvenient for some people, mostly due to timezones, work, studies etc. and therefore a downloadable version would be good to have available (which does not cost much and for many if not most negates the need for any live broadcast).
ò They don't know what they are getting. Are contestants' HUDs visible, or at least hit points and setups? Are the DJs competent? Is the quality high enough? How high would the 'low quality' be?
ò They think the price is too high.
ò They lack payment methods.
ò They lack money.
Would there be enough people to cover the costs for a high quality broadcast, or will they end up paying more for less?
Because of the above reasons, I don't think charging players would work well. Others have suggested looking into covering costs by ads, which you certainly should look into in my opinion.
I would not of course mind if a high quality stream was provided as an extra service for a cost if other means for covering the costs prove fruitless, but it would be important to have a free stream aswell and (or at least) downloadable videos with as high quality as possible. That would however result in less people paying, and unfortunately possibly if not probably rendering the income to cover a high quality stream insufficient.
So, in short: I think you should definitely go ahead with this as it's a great idea and event. Due to the above mentioned problems you should only provide the best stream possible free of charge (or funded on adverts, sponsors or other means) and provide downloadable files of the highest possibly quality.
Oh, and personally while I wouldn't mind too much paying, I would (or will) not simply because I couldn't (or can't) view much or most of it live.
I'm however looking forward to it and hope you'll reach a solution that works out for the best.
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Kalaan Oratay
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Posted - 2006.06.19 09:55:00 -
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Erm, maybe do a HQ free one this time and next time charge for it? First time and all...
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R3dSh1ft
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Posted - 2006.06.19 10:56:00 -
[145]
Edited by: R3dSh1ft on 19/06/2006 11:02:49
$8-$12 dollars is like the price of a cinema ticket, at least in the UK (ú7 - ú10 for a nice place)
I would definitely be prepared to pay for this however a couple of points.
Stuff outside my timezone - can I download it later rather than having to stay up until 4am to stream it, and if so for how long will it be cached?
How will you guys be able to reserve this much bandwidth - you are talking about crazy amounts lol.
To those people who are confused over why to have this as a live event - well it brings the community together at one time and helps build momentum behind the tournament and gets people involved. Its more exciting!!
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Frobisher
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Posted - 2006.06.19 11:07:00 -
[146]
I would pay for a high quality stream
Shoot the poor
Boobies are good
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.06.19 12:28:00 -
[147]
omg omg <3
join soar angelic
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kruspathuul
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Posted - 2006.06.19 12:56:00 -
[148]
please, no streaming .. how about just save it all in sizable chunks and then sell them for whatever the extra bandwidth will cost you? I for one have to work and stuff (rl nastyness) so i can't always sit by the computer to watch these streams (if they go in real time live that is) even tho i pay for them, which i would hesitate to do if my schedule only allows for a quick glance in my lunch time at work or whatever.
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James Raven
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Posted - 2006.06.19 16:58:00 -
[149]
I think I'd pay for a vid that I could download, as I probably wouldn't be able to make it for the actual tourney to watch it via a stream.
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gerbilbunny
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Posted - 2006.06.19 17:11:00 -
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You could always avoid the whole streaming video idea by maybe incorporating a view mode into the actual game:
(sry for bad english, just got back from le mans and very tired :P)
Basically you could incorporate the ability to view the action happening on someone elses ship in realtime in game? See what modules they are using, what they are locking etc. but have no ability to alter or affect the ship.
I'm sure you would be able in login to eve maybe on a seperate server which could stream the data from participants ships to your eve client which would then re-enact it all out.
Say if person X is in the tournament. The data from their client would be sent to the EVE server, which in turn could then send the exact data back out to thousands of players who could be using the special "mode" of EVE that lets them view what someone else is doing at minimal bandwidth?? Surely that cant use up any more bandwidth then people playing the game logged into their accounts?
You could also incorporate the options of switching players that you can see on screen or in local chat etc. Possibilities are endless. But the main factor of this idea is that with a little bit of programming you could maybe save a lot of money from using less bandwith then sending out thousands of video streams. The only real stream that people would need are commentators to the live action so we can hear what is happening.
If you do this for a cost of say $5 initially to those who want it as the first optional expansion for eve that you have to pay for, then you could use it thousands of times in the future. You can even expand this to being able to watch the "events" which happen in eve which so many people know little out. It could even become like a live drama for those who arnt addicted to eve enough!
Just a thought!
If this has been mentioned before then sorry i didnt read the whole post...
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Jason Marshall
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Posted - 2006.06.19 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Jason Marshall on 19/06/2006 19:24:40
I would not be againts CCP selling spots on the Concord billboards has in game advertisment. i think it would be a gret source of income. What they should do....is make the field encased in some sort of large force field, then sell tickets to get into the system where its being held. And the festival seating 4tw \o/
edit lag....needs to be excluded from the equation because i dont want to form a soloution for it.
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Dinky Dau
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Posted - 2006.06.20 07:15:00 -
[152]
I would pay, just as I would for any special event on television. If you can pull it off, then you need to be rewarded for your efforts. For those who think it should be free...well I just don't understand how you expect to get something for nothing.
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Randolph Thyrion
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Posted - 2006.06.20 18:37:00 -
[153]
Hi,
wouldn't it be possible to make the in-game camera position remote-controlled via a central location coordinate and direction vectors. That way you could use the game engine and the local cpu's to render for themselves. This then makes spectating an in-game thing, which further enhances the game. You could then even think of corporation-sponsored tournaments, which make you pay ISK to watch the match.
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Mr rooflez
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Posted - 2006.06.20 23:55:00 -
[154]
How about a low quality stream and a dynamic webpage that shows vital information like ship types, setups, shield/armor/hull, and whatnot?
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Cherybol
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Posted - 2006.06.21 06:26:00 -
[155]
I'd pay for a video of it all. But id say distribute this video to 10 or so people, and then let it rip on bittorrent. That way it can get to everyone for free. This way, no need for cash for bandwith charges, it'd run on our own. But maybe payin so that you can cover the costs of the equipment setup, sure, but that could possibly be handled via donations.
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Miyau
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Posted - 2006.06.21 13:43:00 -
[156]
Can't we have a high quality free stream? =)
Or high quality downloadables at least. There are lots of free video hosting services around the net these days. |
Hygelac
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Posted - 2006.06.21 15:44:00 -
[157]
I'll pay a reasonable amount for a high quality live stream.
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zeeZ Exus
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Posted - 2006.06.21 17:22:00 -
[158]
Since my limited bandwidth could cause problems with a high-quality stream, I'm all for a free stream with lower quality and the free hq torrents..
Or maybe a mid-quality stream?
But I'd pay for the boobies!
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Miyau
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Posted - 2006.06.22 00:14:00 -
[159]
Oh yeah, and I'd just like to say I don't really care about a live stream. I'd rather watch free high quality downloadables than a pay-for or low quality stream.
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Solwey
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Posted - 2006.06.22 09:18:00 -
[160]
I wouldn¦t pay for it.
If free interesting thing to look sometimes, if there is a (8 $ ???? for one stream ????, you¦re crazy, sorry) fee, noway.
Let¦s pay with ISK and you will find alot.
Virtual = virtual money
Real stuff = real money
just my 5 pennys ...
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Genoa
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Posted - 2006.06.22 17:43:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Solwey
I wouldn¦t pay for it.
If free interesting thing to look sometimes, if there is a (8 $ ???? for one stream ????, you¦re crazy, sorry) fee, noway.
Let¦s pay with ISK and you will find alot.
Virtual = virtual money
Real stuff = real money
just my 5 pennys ...
theres nothing virtual about bandwidth costs solwey.
as for a charge i may pay for it depending on if im able to watch any of the matches.
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Convictus
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Posted - 2006.06.22 19:43:00 -
[162]
As others have said, I would probably be willing to pay the fee if I could watch a fair amount of the coverage... it really depends what time the majority of it takes place :) A free feed is better than no feed though.
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Serenity Raimy
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:03:00 -
[163]
Where are events for normal casual players ??
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Greekil
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Posted - 2006.06.24 02:35:00 -
[164]
Both.
Personally, I'd pay for the high quality stream, but I'd like the option to watch for free.
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Avalloc
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Posted - 2006.06.24 07:50:00 -
[165]
Both.
I'd be willing to kick in some money, after all this is something new!
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Gangus
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Posted - 2006.06.25 11:06:00 -
[166]
I'm pretty broke atm, so free streaming would be best for me... but if i have to i guess i could show you my boobies to pay for it.... :P
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2006.06.25 22:20:00 -
[167]
I will not be paying for anything. Low quality is fine tbh
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.06.26 07:35:00 -
[168]
both.
dbp
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i'Pod
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:54:00 -
[169]
Lets see.
A game engine - Check
Object data - Check
Internet connection - Check
PC/Desktop - Check
Am I missing something? Like the ability to let the computer use only the game data, which is minimal for game objects compared to high quality motion video. It worked in Quake and it.. Doesn't work in EVE? What's the missing link, full engine rewrite? Go for it!
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Ambre Blanche
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Posted - 2006.06.27 08:43:00 -
[170]
Would you mind paying a price of around $8-12 to view a high-quality stream for the entire duration of the tournament?
Would you rather have a low-quality stream for free?
Both? Both should be available.
Do you like boobies? Yes I do... for free :)
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DJ Xyliana
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Posted - 2006.06.27 13:48:00 -
[171]
all this talk about boobies
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zeeZ Exus
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Posted - 2006.06.27 16:21:00 -
[172]
Originally by: DJ Xyliana
all this talk about boobies
Because everyone likes boobies! And EVE... boobies and EVE YARR!
I like that idea about streaming it on the billboards
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