Similar workarounds exist today; you can keep one or more alternate corps kicking around with their standings pre-baked. I suspect the change isn't to "fix" this problem, it's to maintain congruence with the way things are now. At least, that's what I was gunning for when I first suggested this idea months ago.

Think of it this way -- every alternate corp you have to evade wardecs requires at least one character to keep the corporation alive. How many plex per month is any given person willing to spend just to safeguard their corporation?

You just brought extra materials back.

What exactly is a "whole and single" item? (in term of invTypeMaterials and ramTypeRequirements?)

I thought you wanted to simplify the material calculations.

Yes, regional limits are being removed. The new skills will just check for jump distance between blueprint and yourself.

Interesting...



Let's pretend I'm a small scale T2 croozer manufacturer...

So, to get the full benefit to reduced job costs, I'm going to need a Large Caldari tower, with 50 component assembly arrays, to get a 25% edge on the install cost all my component jobs.

Now, I'm a small scale producer, so I'm not likely to run this sort of set up all month, every month. I'm going to want to throw in some other modules to do other jobs on my shiny new large pos. So there'll be 13 Medium Ship Assembly Arrays too.

When I want to switch back and forth between them, that's a lot of off-lining and on-lining to do, unless I sink more isk into pos costs and get me a second large tower - destroying my margins further. And then my head starts to hurt, because I'm trying to work out, how many jobs at 25% lpwer install cost am I going to need to run to break even on the pos fuel costs.

Have you any idea how cluttered my tower is going to be? I make it 63 assembly arrays alone... This is a profoundly messy game mechanic.

I think it was Fozzie that mentioned earlier about anchoring and onlining douchebag stuff

If we anchor and online several assy arrays before a job, then offline and unanchor after the job to save isk on install what repercussions will there be.

It was mentioned before in the previous thread and the threats were pretty broad, I just kinda want that updated in this thread before the 5675866758587587 questions get asked.

So basically all we need to do is create a bunch of corporations now using alts so that players can immediately move starbase assets to another corporation so we can avoid war? EZPZ

So, I spent years grinding empire standings, a big part of the reason why, was so I could put up a POS on my high sec alt.

Whats the point of spending time grinding empire standing now?

CCP please don't make our years worth of standing useless!

If the deccing corp has good intel and spies they will find those corps and dec them too.

Online / Offline array tricks: I also posted an idea in the Starbase thread and haven't noticed a definitive statement on how it will be handled. probag Bear re-stated the question in post #4 in this thread.

Timed restriction to anchor Control Towers

Newly formed corporations will need to wait 7 days before being able to anchor Starbases. This is to inhibit players from immediately moving Starbase assets to another corporation if under a war declaration.

My take is that a job consisting of X number of runs will require at least X number of units of each component; but I am not sure. The "whole" part makes me think that if a run requires 2.000000 units (not rounded, but "whole") of stuff then 20 runs need 40 units of stuff regardless of ME, but since that is quite a big difference from 36 units of stuff when running with 10% ME....argh, my head hurts.

Clarification from CCP is certainly needed. :)

That is not bad.
But may i suggest you increase cost reduction per structure for Small ship assembley arrays and Component/Equipment arrays. The total bonus should stay the same as in devblog, but there won't be a requirement to anchor 27 and 50 arrays. It seams to me, there are not many manufacturers (if any), who currently use so many arrays of these types on the same POS.

And would you be so kind to clarify, would the offline structures count towards the bonus or not.

Stacking Multiple Arrays in the POS is going to be such a clickfest.

Example: if i want max boost for research that's 13 labs.
1. 13 times to anchor
2. 13 times to online/offline if i want to change to other types of arrays
3. 13x7 (corp hanger divisions) = 91 divisions, which are unsearchable from assets tab, where my that bpc copy that was just delivered may be hiding, etc etc

It would be much better if we could just anchor one array and then upgrade it using some mix of isk and materials like we do with POCOs or in PI command centers. It could still take up the same power/cpu as 13 individual arrays but it wouldn't be a management nightmare.

No one is forcing you to take advantage of this mechanic. Especially since this mechanic isn't meant to be for "small scale" manufacturers; it's meant to somewhat preserve the current balance for large-scale manufacturers. If you don't already have multiple POSes up, you are not going to be particularly affected by the install cost changes.

Stacking Multiple Arrays in the POS is going to be such a clickfest.

Example: if i want max boost for research that's 13 labs.
1. 13 times to anchor
2. 13 times to online/offline if i want to change to other types of arrays
3. 13x7 (corp hanger divisions) = 91 divisions, which are unsearchable from assets tab, where my that bpc copy that was just delivered may be hiding, etc etc

It would be much better if we could just anchor one array and then upgrade it using some mix of isk and materials like we do with POCOs or in PI command centers. It could still take up the same power/cpu as 13 individual arrays but it wouldn't be a management nightmare.

Why does it cost to build things at a POS? I built the POS, I'm paying for fuel for it, why am I getting charged again to manufacture things?

The clever among us have pre-formed alt corporations. All this will do is make it so that alt corporations are formed far ahead of time for this specific purpose of avoiding the timer. Its mildly idiotic to have that restriction with that in mind. All you're doing is being an annoyance.

Edit: Also, dickstars. oh gods the dickstars...

the example given right in the same paragraph is very clear -- for tech II items the tech I component needed will alway match in number to the number of final items.

How could "For example, building 10 Paladins will not require 9 Apocalypse if you have a 10% ME." be any less than clear? You will alway need the 10 Apocalypses - one ship won't materialize out of thin air without a base item.

A module example: "For example, building 10 Damage Control IIs will not require 9 Damage Control Is if you have a 10% ME."

You have to pay the installation (or build) cost where ever you install jobs.

There's an additional 10% tax on top of that for NPC stations.