1. Jump costs were changed in anticipation of large towers being ditched for small ones because of removal of slots.
2. Large towers will now have an advantage because of cost reduction with multiple array stacking.
3. Jump cost change now redundant?

It depends GÇö what is the break even point for the amount of jobs you have to push through against the additional fuel cost of the tower? It probably won't be enough of a benefit for smaller industrialists to go whole hog large tower for maximum installation cost reduction.

How does something that is produced in Null and consumed in Null affect the production of High Sec? If you build something in Null you still have to get it to Jita to sell it, adding transportation cost and effort. Those few %s of advantage they have are quickly negated by transport cost.

This is not about the null sec changes however the potential of the cost scaling for production in high sec. As well that BPO's now have to be placed at risk in high sec for production and researching.

At what point is a POS supposed to be worth it?

I save 10% taxes, sure, but then I'm paying fuel costs instead. So if manufacturing costs are 10% of sell price (probably overestimating), I would need to produce 20bil/mo worth of goods at a small POS in order to make it worth it vs producing at an NPC station in the same system? That's a total of 27mil/hr...

Seems a little absurd, especially considering that manufacturing costs will probably (hopefully) be less than 10%.

Which is why I was asking because this doesn't make sense to me then:

"In practice, this means that stacking 13 Medium Ship Assembly, Advanced Medium Assembly or Subsystem Assembly Arrays will reduce the total cost to start a manufacturing job at any of those structures by 26%."

So if there is no tax at my own POS - what's the deal with the bonus that gives me a reduction to cost? Or did I mistake that for like mineral reduction cost?

At what point is a POS supposed to be worth it?

I save 10% taxes, sure, but then I'm paying fuel costs instead. So if manufacturing costs are 10% of sell price (probably overestimating), I would need to produce 20bil/mo worth of goods at a small POS in order to make it worth it vs producing at an NPC station in the same system? That's a total of 27mil/hr...

Seems a little absurd, especially considering that manufacturing costs will probably (hopefully) be less than 10%.

Previously, we would queue jobs in manufacturing/research slots when we ran out of empty slots, or because we were only allowed to use certain slots, or just out of consideration for the next guy.

Now, there will be a cost for installing jobs which presumably increases as the number of parallel/simultaneous jobs increase.

Will it be possible to run, say, 5 simultaneous job queues of two 12-hour jobs per queue instead of 10 simultaneous jobs at 12 hours each? This means 5 jobs would complete in 12 hours and the other 5 jobs would complete in 24 hours instead of the 10 simultaneous jobs that all complete in 12 hours for (theoretically) twice the cost? It can be important for many of us to time the completion of jobs to correspond with our gaming times.


In Hisec, Lowsec, and NPC Null, the "taxes" you pay theoretically get sent to the resident governing body. To whom are these "taxes" being paid in Sov Null and especially in Wormhole space? Neither Concord, nor SCC, nor any empire body has any standing or presence in Sov Null or wormhole space; the residents see to that.

Will industry in Sov Null POSes/Outposts and in W-space POSes also require some form of ISK payment to some ethereal empire presence to start jobs?

At what point is a POS supposed to be worth it?

I save 10% taxes, sure, but then I'm paying fuel costs instead. So if manufacturing costs are 10% of sell price (probably overestimating), I would need to produce 20bil/mo worth of goods at a small POS in order to make it worth it vs producing at an NPC station in the same system? That's a total of 27mil/hr...

Seems a little absurd, especially considering that manufacturing costs will probably (hopefully) be less than 10%.

I think many are forgetting where eve is heading storyline wise.

I've ready many posts about the faction standings no longer being taken into account being "game breaking" or "taking away from the immersion"

Remember capsuleers have defied the empire factions and are starting to do their own thing. This is another step in that direction in which the empire rules no longer matter.

While I appreciate the risk/reward system of thinking, forcing industrial corporations to store their BPO's in the POS is high on the risk side and low on the return side. A POS isn't all that difficult to take down so why would anyone store their corporations assets in harms way?

So... any news yet on the Rorqual since you're pretty much screwing them over with the compression changes? Like... you guys have any ideas where you are wanting to head with it? Or are you just gonna leave it as it is for years until you decide something should be done about it like 90% of the crap you do in game?

And yes... I'm bitter.

While I appreciate the risk/reward system of thinking, forcing industrial corporations to store their BPO's in the POS is high on the risk side and low on the return side. A POS isn't all that difficult to take down so why would anyone store their corporations assets in harms way?

This will turn contracts or market into a shopping list of items and corporations to POS bash just to see what falls out. If pushing industry corps out of the game, simply annex all of high sec, end any manufacturing or research and get it over with so we can all move on.

A large POS is currently cost-effective for one character, using all 10 manufacturing slots and no science slots, making T1 items with terrible, sub-par, profits. POS bonuses are already insanely strong. And they're getting stronger.

Except that it's now going to cost a significant chunk of change on top of the fuel costs in order to manufacture things.

Neat little chart with info:
rug Lab, Ammunition Assembly, Drone Assembly, Component Assembly, Equipment Assembly, Rapid Equipment Assembly 0.5% per max'ing at 25%

There needs to be an ISK sink in every game activity, to spread the sinking of ISK evenly. Wouldn't want one category of player complaining about how other's get off scot-free, would we?

Or are you asking for a "back story" reason?

How did you guys come up with these numbers?