It will cost ISK to install jobs in player owned structures.

I like that I'm not the only one that has a problem with this, though I wish more were in this thread. Apart from a brown-nosing CSM, no one has really given an actual reason for this. CCP in general seems to be doing a pretty aggressive dance around this new development, as they, for some COMPLETELY UNKNOWABLE reason, don't want to directly state this.

The change is confusing because for the last eleven years, the prevailing logic in all industrial concerns, was that fabrication was automated, "blueprints" were a hunk of encrypted proprietary data, and, later, "invention" was just a nice way to say "intellectual property theft." Jam blueprint + materials into autofab, pres butan, get bacon. NPC stations charged "rent' to use their industrial autofabs because they built them, and charging for use of something you built is your right.

So in all of this, I fail to understand why my unpressurized factory floating in the cold depths of space (that I built) suddenly has a coin slot that demands competitive rates... From ME. Rates that are reduced by the number of identical structures nearby. Are labs and factories suddenly possessed by sentient AIs with gambling addictions? Have the space homeless invaded my structures to demand competitive spare change?

I get there needs to be ISK sinks to counter all the artificially generated currency, but how did they get on **** I built?

I get there needs to be ISK sinks to counter all the artificially generated currency, but how did they get on **** I built?

From the lore perspective, it was stated that the workforce for a single system has decided to start charging realistic prices for their services (I believe it's tacked at 1% of the cost of the good, so the Abaddon, for example would cost 2M to build * stuff). The more people building in a system, the greater the demand for the workforce, so the more they would charge.

The disconnect is the assumption that the population of EVE is merely capsuleers. That the factories are dead and empty and not bustling with thousands of people working on the manufacturing lines.

you didn't build that

But there is no workforce. Production is automated. You're thinking as if factories tens of thousands of years in the future will still be run by blue collar unions.

is it still necessary to create a max-run blueprint copy to get a max run tech 2 blueprint after invention?

I tried running doing a max copy-run of ultraviolet crystals to invent, but it's taking ten times longer than before. This is kind of a big deal.

Make it two weeks after the tower goes offline and I'm okay with this--POSes have space for a month of fuel, so going abandoned after only two weeks while still online is silly.

Surprised there's not an outcry from Cap BPO holders. Have fun storing them in the POS's.

Nice job minimizing the criticism CCP - "We'll be looking at something different for CAP BPO's." Yeah - like "hmmm... how do I hide from a **** storm??"

Yeah, well, I submitted my here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352968&find=unread

Obviously the wrong place now when I think about it, but for capital builders TL; DR:

- An insane clickfest coming up
- Logging in every 14 hours to put in new BPC:s
- OR having literally tens of billions worth of BPOs at a lowsec POS *lol*
- Having all your mineral eggs in one POS-shaped basket OR warping a freighter in and out like thereGÇÖs no tomorrow

Surprised there's not an outcry from Cap BPO holders. Have fun storing them in the POS's.

Nice job minimizing the criticism CCP - "We'll be looking at something different for CAP BPO's." Yeah - like "hmmm... how do I hide from a **** storm??"

So... any news yet on the Rorqual since you're pretty much screwing them over with the compression changes? Like... you guys have any ideas where you are wanting to head with it? Or are you just gonna leave it as it is for years until you decide something should be done about it like 90% of the crap you do in game?

And yes... I'm bitter.

Looks good but are we going to get any updates to Outposts in Crius? Other than refining at each outpost type? I'd really like to see something in the way of upgrade changes. We are going over the upgrades available and it seems pretty pointless to do most of them!

But you have no problem with sound in space; or that there are magical asteroids just "appearing" in "belts" and "anomalies"; Or that millions of NPC characters die when people go ratting?

I know "EVE is real" is a good slogan, but....really, it isn't realistic.

No major changes planned for outposts right now. They are a royal pain in the rear exhaust pipe to touch, code wise.

Nope.

Each invention job will consume a single run from a bpc. (It'll be retained until the job completes, so you'll need multiple copies)

You'll get a 10 run copy for ammo, drones and modules, and a single run for rigs and ships. (ME 2, PE 4 (iirc) )

I'm not sure I understand how to get a max-run tech 2 BPC (for ammo). I tried making a 10 run BPC. I am currently inventing on it, but it's telling me I'll only get a 1 run tech 2 BPC out of it. Am I doing something wrong?

Another drastic change is that blueprints safely stored in a regular station can no longer be used for jobs in Starbase structures. Players will still be able to remotely start Starbase jobs from several solar systems away, but the blueprints will now have to be physically available in the structure for it to properly start.

This is one of the few good ideas with this set of changes. The fact that you can't earn mountains of ISK completely risk-free is a theme that runs central to the game. Why the current situation was even allowed to begin with boggles my mind.


Something else that bugs me a little about the "team" things, besides the mysterious payments to ethereal entities, is the fact that they will supposedly enter and leave systems at will. While fine for Hisec and Lowsec and NPC Null, some of us in W-space and Sov Nullsec actually work to keep outsiders out.

This teams thing would make more sense if we had a chance to shoot them as they moved through space.

I'm pretty sure it's not risk free. There is plenty of people that lots tons of capital BPOs to corp infiltration and stock manipulation.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2010/09/11/eve-online-player-steals-45-000-worth-of-isk-in-massive-investm/


But CCP doesn't care.. They found that large loss to invested players is good advertising for more new players to join.

Them PISSING ON ME must make them happy cause there is no way I'm getting back that time I though I was investing in building a good faction standing rep.

Regarding your linked post the industry changes are far from complete. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Crius or the industry changes were put back to the next update slot. I believe CCP have said copy times are going to be decreased a lot. Also others have asked about runs on BPC's, specifically the cap type ones you use, and I think CCP have said the numbers of runs will be increased. No figures on that yet though.

( Thirteen days to make a five run cap part BPC isn't going to be any good for you is it. On the other hand vastly decreased copy times will collapse the market for those who sell BPC copies. It is very hard to know what to say other than that there will be winners and losers.)

I'm hoping CCP are really busy and cannot answer our questions atm. The idea of multiple arrays to receive tax bonuses really needs to be cancelled asap in favour of a skill-based method.

Reprocessing at a Starbase could use more information, as it looks at the moment just right click an select reprocess and you get a load of minerals, good start. However in a station you get this cool window that shows you exactly what you are getting before you decide to reprocess it all. Is there a reason we cant have this level of information on the Starbase reprocessing arrays?